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Doom_Art
12/10/21 11:58:10 PM
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Making my way through the Spidey films rn

And it's amazing how much of a good film it is on its own.

Like even outside of the action and colorful superhero shit it's just a well-written, character-driven, well-directed, and visually competent movie

I also love how it "looks". Like it looks like something shot in our world. Every MCU scene looks too clean, too high tech.

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Xethuminra
12/10/21 11:58:44 PM
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Two won

What, what
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Lairen
12/10/21 11:59:22 PM
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Its sad you think this.

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TerraSeeker
12/10/21 11:59:31 PM
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It's 'been a while since I watch Spider-man 2, but I know Guardians of the Galaxy was better.

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Zeeak4444
12/11/21 12:02:18 AM
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This is from a SW TLJ fan so Im gonna have to disregard it entirely.

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Cobra1010
12/11/21 12:02:46 AM
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Only people with accounts pre 2010 appreciate Spiderman 2.

Heck Raimi Spiderman kick started the entire super hero movie industry we have today.

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Doom_Art
12/11/21 12:03:08 AM
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Zeeak4444 posted...
This is from a SW TLJ fan so Im gonna have to disregard it entirely.
\_()_/

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Xethuminra
12/11/21 12:03:26 AM
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Cobra1010 posted...
Only people with accounts pre 2010 appreciate Spiderman 2.

Heck Raimi Spiderman kick started the entire super hero movie industry we have today.
The original should be good enough...

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Doe
12/11/21 12:06:25 AM
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Yeah I made a very similar topic a week or so ago. Spider-Man 2 ascends beyond 'superhero movie.' It's pretty much a character study that also happens to have incredible special effects and sound design relating to doc ock.


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Xethuminra
12/11/21 12:07:49 AM
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Doe posted...
Yeah I made a very similar topic a week or so ago. Spider-Man 2 ascends beyond 'superhero movie.' It's pretty much a character study that also happens to have incredible special effects and sound design relating to doc ock.
What are you saying? That the movie has the best Doc outside of Ultimate?

Well shit, pardner
I never thought about it like that

Still stepped on the original BUT

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KobeSystem
12/11/21 12:10:53 AM
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Cobra1010 posted...
Heck Raimi Spiderman kick started the entire super hero movie industry we have today.

And SM3 almost killed it

Id credit TDK before Raimi SM anywho

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Xethuminra
12/11/21 12:12:15 AM
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Spiderman is the first tolerable faithful adaptation of 70's comics. They put him up against a VERY cool villain too.
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DarthAragorn
12/11/21 12:12:31 AM
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KobeSystem posted...
And SM3 almost killed it

Id credit TDK before Raimi SM anywho
Didn't Iron Man release a couple months before TDK?

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Doom_Art
12/11/21 12:12:45 AM
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KobeSystem posted...
And SM3 almost killed it

Id credit TDK before Raimi SM anywho
Nah X-Men and Spider-Man within the year or two of each other were what kicked it off.

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bulletproofvita
12/11/21 12:13:37 AM
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KobeSystem posted...
And SM3 almost killed it

Id credit TDK before Raimi SM anywho
Spiderman 3 has alot of heart.

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KobeSystem
12/11/21 12:15:00 AM
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Doom_Art posted...
Nah X-Men and Spider-Man within the year or two of each other were what kicked it off.

Tdk was actually good doe

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Xethuminra
12/11/21 12:15:38 AM
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Glad they are bringing back Sandman

Iron Man & TDK came out around the same time. TDK is more seminal tho. Iron Man 2 copied it and the MCU doesn't follow the Iron Man formula. They stopped with Age of Ultron because honestly it doesn't work for sequels. One and done for all intents and purposes. Doesnt help they had a dance scene and recasting. Who knows. In a different world, the MCU might look more like DC!!!! @moebius
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Stalolin
12/11/21 12:41:35 AM
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Doom_Art posted...


I also love how it "looks". Like it looks like something shot in our world. Every MCU scene looks too clean, too high tech.

As much as I love the MCU I agree with this. Way too much use of the VFX stage/green screen. Literally Star Wars prequel kinda shit.

I did love Eternals a lot partly because it was filmed in actual places so actual film techniques.

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Blue_Popo
12/11/21 12:44:42 AM
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Spiderman 2 would be a mid tier mcu movie at best.

Peter Parker looks like a 30 year old in high school, he's a creep, jokes are cringe. These movies have not held up well. Tobey Man fanboys (not fans) contribute to Spiderman having the worst fandom that is not star wars

Dr. Octopus was legit though
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Mr_Karate_II
12/11/21 1:25:01 AM
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You're wrong

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Xethuminra
12/11/21 1:27:01 AM
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The game was good @Mr_Karate_II
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TheDurinator
12/11/21 1:42:36 AM
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Topic is 100% correct, Spider-Man 2 will never be topped.
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dave_is_slick
12/11/21 1:44:44 AM
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Lairen posted...
Its sad you think this.


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Smashingpmkns
12/11/21 1:48:54 AM
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Stalolin posted...
As much as I love the MCU I agree with this. Way too much use of the VFX stage/green screen. Literally Star Wars prequel kinda shit.

I did love Eternals a lot partly because it was filmed in actual places so actual film techniques.
Crazy how they got Tobey to actually swing from building to building in NYC in the original trilogy

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Xethuminra
12/11/21 1:51:26 AM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Crazy how they got Tobey to actually swing from building to building in NYC in the original trilogy
Yes but

Etc.

2 is silly. And it led directly to 3.
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JKwaffle
12/11/21 1:51:46 AM
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Zeeak4444 posted...
This is from a SW TLJ fan so Im gonna have to disregard it entirely.
TC is wrong with his OP statement, but also TLJ is a good movie.

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Xethuminra
12/11/21 1:52:37 AM
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JKwaffle posted...
TC is wrong with his OP statement, but also TLJ is a good movie.
Seconded

TLJ rocks. Its just bloated
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Kim_Seong-a
12/11/21 1:58:18 AM
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The one thing I never liked about 2 was the marriage scene. JK Simmons saved the final scene >_>

I mean yeah there's a deleted scene they added back to the directors cut that makes it kinda better, but still.

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Rharyx211
12/11/21 1:58:47 AM
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Yeah, Raimi understood who Peter Parker was and the struggles he was supposed to have. Harry and MJ actually had character arcs and fleshed out personalities, while Aunt May acted as the heart of the story and had real influence in Peter's growth. The world they lived in felt authentic as well.

MCU Spidey barely feels like Peter Parker. He's too closely tied to the Avengers and the superhero world around him and hasn't ever felt like he's grown into being his own superhero yet despite having more movies under his belt than both Tobey and Andrew. He's just a sidekick in his own movies. Meanwhile, his friends are all just comic relief characters with no real personalities or arcs to speak of, while Aunt May just acts as eye candy for RDJ or Happy. It feels insulting to the characters they're supposed to be portraying.

Tom Holland has potential to be a good Spider-Man, but Disney/Sony have to actually let him be Spider-Man first. There was some good stuff in Homecoming, but Far From Home felt real cash-grabby with an awful plot.

Raimi understood Spider-Man, while Disney/Sony just want to put butts into seats and rake in some money.

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ThanksUglyGod
12/11/21 1:59:16 AM
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Cobra1010 posted...
Heck Raimi Spiderman kick started the entire super hero movie industry we have today.
Weird way to spell Blade
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Xethuminra
12/11/21 2:01:00 AM
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ThanksUglyGod posted...
Weird way to spell Blade
Blade wasn't really that faithful to super heroes

That's why they picked it. It bridges the stylistic gap between Spiderman & X-Men

U must b thinking Spawn or Superman

Blade was ok
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gatorsPENSbucs
12/11/21 2:04:57 AM
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ThanksUglyGod posted...
Weird way to spell Blade
Came in to post this

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Xethuminra
12/11/21 2:06:39 AM
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.... They didn't really nail him as a vampire

Blade 2 is BALLER . 3 ... Well

.... Hehe. I have no opinion on 3.
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Scully87
12/11/21 2:42:40 PM
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infinty war & endgame disagree.

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Doe
12/11/21 2:46:32 PM
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Scully87 posted...
infinty war & endgame disagree.
I would at least be willing to entertain IW, but Endgame can't even stand on its own, its incarnation of the villain is worse than the previous, it's a 'let's just undo the bad thing' movie, I could go on

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Donomark
12/11/21 2:46:58 PM
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Yeah, unfortunately, there's a lot that the MCU can't touch.

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Guerrilla Soldier
12/11/21 2:53:47 PM
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...have you guys really gone back and rewatched spider-man 2 recently? can you even remember the order of the events that happen in the movie? or just the big scenes? i think as far as an action scene movie it's fantastic, but it's not like it's a refined classic or anything

iw's action and suspense destroys spider-man 2, and i honestly think even the first iron man had more heart and character/world building than spider-man 2 could've ever hoped to. i mean, i loved it back in the day too, and the game was awesome, but it's not the pinnacle of anything really.

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Donomark
12/11/21 2:56:30 PM
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I'll admit, it's been a while since I watched Spider-Man 2, and while it may not be a "refined classic," it is nonetheless better than what much of the MCU has to offer. In that sense, in benefits from the comparisons.

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Prestoff
12/11/21 2:58:26 PM
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After awhile, I get sick and tired of seeing woman screaming at the top of their lungs in the film.

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Doe
12/11/21 3:12:28 PM
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Guerrilla Soldier posted...
..have you guys really gone back and rewatched spider-man 2 recently?
Yes.

Guerrilla Soldier posted...
iw's action and suspense
Action and suspense aren't even tbe most important part of Spider-man 2. It says a lot about the movie that Doc Ock has some of the best special effects in the genre to this day and yet he doesn't even make the movie.

And yet, yeah, I think an argument can be made that SM2's action is better than Infinity War. IW is a giant CGI fest. The POV shots of Ock's tentacles attacking the physicians is more visually interesting than any shot in IW. The way that Ock's movements send tremors throughout the city that physically shake the set as everyone on screen waits helplessly for what's coming is amazing. By God, in the scene where Ock throws a car at Peter, you can see Mary Jane's boobs bounce because of the tremors. When 50% of the cast's primary attack isn't giant science beam / giant magic beam, scenes like all the metal in the warehouse flying into Ock's reactor are much easier to visually appreciate.

Guerrilla Soldier posted...
iron man had more heart and character/world building than spider-man 2 could've ever hoped to
Maybe you think RDJ is more charismatic than Tobey Maguire, but no way in hell is Iron Man a better character study than SM2.

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Bad_Mojo
12/11/21 3:13:05 PM
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Spider Verse >>> Spider-Man 2

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Gobstoppers12
12/11/21 3:14:17 PM
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Spider-Man 2 has to be one of the most overrated movies ever. I like it, but let's not pretend it's something profound.

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Doe
12/11/21 3:16:49 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
Spider-Man 2 has to be one of the most overrated movies ever. I like it, but let's not pretend it's something profound.
https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/spider-man-2-2004

Even Ebert knew it was a masterpiece

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Gobstoppers12
12/11/21 3:18:13 PM
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Doe posted...
https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/spider-man-2-2004

Even Ebert knew it was a masterpiece
Ebert also asked if anybody has ever been more boring than Clark Kent or Bruce Wayne, so... he isn't exactly the final authority on the matter.

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s0nicfan
12/11/21 3:19:37 PM
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Hopefully there's one thing we can all agree on: There's only one true movie aunt may

https://youtu.be/kCd6HLNW3MQ


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iPhone_7
12/11/21 3:20:38 PM
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Thor Ragnarok takes a s*** on Spider-Man 2

And Taika Waititi > Sam Raimi

come at me!

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tommybel89
12/11/21 3:20:48 PM
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You could tell who the jokers in this topic are. If you weren't there for Spider-Man 1 or 2 at the ground floor, you don't know what the f*** you're talking about.

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rexcrk
12/11/21 3:22:25 PM
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I always thought that one was kind of overrated tbh. Not a bad movie by any means, but I definitely like the first one best.

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Doe
12/11/21 3:22:31 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
Ebert also asked if anybody has ever been more boring than Clark Kent or Bruce Wayne, so... he isn't exactly the final authority on the matter.
His review came out before TDK, and he's speaking about movie adaptations, not the comics themselves. Burton's Bruce Wayne did not have an especially compelling uncostumed life.

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