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UnMead
12/10/21 9:57:55 PM
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/mark-meadows-trump-capitol-riot-powerpoint-b1973809.html

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Zareth
12/10/21 9:59:26 PM
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"That's an overreaction!" says the people who think all protestors are rioters and that every city in America is still on fire

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UnMead
12/10/21 10:02:41 PM
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A PowerPoint presentation that bears the exact title as one that former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows has turned over to the House of Representatives select committee investigating the 6 January insurrection alleged that China had effective control of American voting machines and urged the declaration of a national security emergency as a pretext for throwing out election results in several US states.
According to a letter to Mr Meadowss attorney from select committee chair Bennie Thompson, Mr Meadows delivered a copy of a presentation, Election Fraud, Foreign Interference & Options for 6 JAN, to the committee before ending his cooperation with its investigation into the worst attack on the Capitol since British troops set it ablaze in 1814.

Many of the actions recommended in the presentation which Mr Meadows reportedly intended to deliver to members of Congress also match up with ideas floated by other key allies of former president Donald Trump in hopes of keeping him in the White House for a second term against the wishes of American voters.
In a tweet posted late on Thursday, Minnesota Representative Ilhan Omar called the document a plan for a coup.

We need [to] get serious about what the consequences for that should be, she said.

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KodyKeir
12/11/21 8:55:38 AM
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Sedition.

Treason is when they do it on behalf of another country or foreign power. (which is also what happened)

And because people died on January 6th during the commission of the insurrection, it's also a murder charge for everyone involved, including the Q Shaman.

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MeadCore
12/11/21 9:01:03 AM
#5:


KodyKeir posted...
Sedition.

Treason is when they do it on behalf of another country or foreign power. (which is also what happened)

And because people died on January 6th during the commission of the insurrection, it's also a murder charge for everyone involved, including the Q Shaman.

Treason.

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KodyKeir
12/11/21 9:26:29 AM
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Sedition is easier to prove.

Though monies used to pay for transportation of the insurrectionists to Washington DC have been linked to far right French Nationalists, (among others) so what the hell is AG Garland doing and why is he dragging his feet doing it.

I say it's because he's also a member of the Federalist Society and not so secretly likes what he saw Jan 6th.

I know the wheels of justice move slowly, but we are coming up to the one year anniversary and the ring leader is still campaigning for his run in 2024.

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Revelation34
12/11/21 9:29:07 AM
#7:


KodyKeir posted...
Sedition is easier to prove.

Though monies used to pay for transportation of the insurrectionists to Washington DC have been linked to far right French Nationalists, (among others) so what the hell is AG Garland doing and why is he dragging his feet doing it.

I say it's because he's also a member of the Federalist Society and not so secretly likes what he saw Jan 6th.

I know the wheels of justice move slowly, but we are coming up to the one year anniversary and the ring leader is still campaigning for his run in 2024.


We don't need another Grover Cleveland.

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Fierce_Deity_08
12/11/21 10:39:06 AM
#8:


Zareth posted...
"That's an overreaction!" says the people who think all protestors are rioters and that every city in America is still on fire
Thats an insurrection and still relevant! says every leftist instead of investigating all the riots and fires in the summer of 2020.

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Sarcasthma
12/11/21 10:50:18 AM
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Fierce_Deity_08 posted...
investigating all the riots and fires in the summer of 2020
Isn't that the police's job?

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Fierce_Deity_08
12/11/21 10:52:02 AM
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Sarcasthma posted...
Isn't that the police's job?
The government should be involved too since federal buildings were also damaged.

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Sarcasthma
12/11/21 10:59:45 AM
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Fierce_Deity_08 posted...
The government should be involved too since federal buildings were also damaged.
Police are government officials.

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KodyKeir
12/11/21 11:16:50 AM
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Fierce_Deity_08 posted...
investigating all the riots and fires in the summer of 2020.

Turns out it was mostly white nationalists looking to start a race war (according to the FBI)

Fierce_Deity_08 posted...
Thats an insurrection and still

ongoing, as the first step to a successful coup, is an unsuccessful coup.

Revelation34 posted...
We don't need another Grover Cleveland.

You really don't. Too bad he will be the GQP nominee in 2024 and with the Democrats losing control of the House and Senate next year, the guardrails that just barely held in 2020 will be removed entirely.

Never thought I would live to see the death of Western Democracy, but here we are.

This dystopia sucks. Can we at least trade in the Brooks Brothers suits for spiked studded leather BDSM wear?

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MeadCore
12/11/21 11:25:27 AM
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Fierce_Deity_08 posted...
Thats an insurrection and still relevant! says every leftist instead of investigating all the riots and fires in the summer of 2020.

go ahead and investigate every riot and fire, who is stopping such investigations?

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MeadCore
12/11/21 11:26:28 AM
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Fierce_Deity_08 posted...
The government should be involved too since federal buildings were also damaged.

my dude what do you think the FBI is?

youve been sold some nonsense. Shake it off and try to get a refund.

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Revelation34
12/11/21 12:13:59 PM
#15:


Sarcasthma posted...

Police are government officials.


Only for the state.

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MeadCore
12/11/21 12:14:48 PM
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Revelation34 posted...
Only for the state.

states are part of the government my dude

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Blightzkrieg
12/11/21 12:19:10 PM
#17:


Every single American election is going to be declared fraudulent from now until however long it takes another coup to start

The refusal to stamp out this nonsense is pathetic. The fact that the US political system cannot even ensure its own survival in the face of fascism is more damning than any other failure of the last century.

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Revelation34
12/11/21 12:19:19 PM
#18:


MeadCore posted...


states are part of the government my dude


Yea but they don't do anything for federal buildings. The FBI does.

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MeadCore
12/11/21 12:20:08 PM
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Revelation34 posted...
Yea but they don't do anything for federal buildings. The FBI does.

sure

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Cacciato
12/11/21 12:20:59 PM
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Revelation34 posted...
Yea but they don't do anything for federal buildings. The FBI does.
Yeah, state law enforcement doesnt assist the FBI in investigations whatsoever
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adjl
12/11/21 12:45:42 PM
#21:


Fierce_Deity_08 posted...
Thats an insurrection and still relevant! says every leftist instead of investigating all the riots and fires in the summer of 2020.

After conducting a thorough investigation, I have concluded that the riots and fires in the summer of 2020 were largely a product of angry people taking advantage of mob mentality and violent, chaotic situations to commit random acts of vandalism. It's likely that there were also some individuals committing false flag attacks to discredit the BLM movement, but there's no particular need to blame them exclusively because there were certainly other individuals just making a mess for the sake of making a mess.

What does that have to do with a deliberate effort to overthrow the democratically elected government? Specifically, with the decision to label that an insurrection and consider it still relevant because the people that encouraged and funded it are still encouraging and funding similar efforts.

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Sarcasthma
12/11/21 9:18:03 PM
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adjl posted...
After conducting a thorough investigation, I have concluded that the riots and fires in the summer of 2020 were largely a product of angry people taking advantage of mob mentality and violent, chaotic situations to commit random acts of vandalism. It's likely that there were also some individuals committing false flag attacks to discredit the BLM movement, but there's no particular need to blame them exclusively because there were certainly other individuals just making a mess for the sake of making a mess.

What does that have to do with a deliberate effort to overthrow the democratically elected government? Specifically, with the decision to label that an insurrection and consider it still relevant because the people that encouraged and funded it are still encouraging and funding similar efforts.
@Fierce_Deity_08

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BlackScythe0
12/11/21 10:02:38 PM
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Fierce_Deity_08 posted...
Thats an insurrection and still relevant! says every leftist instead of investigating all the riots and fires in the summer of 2020.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempts_to_overturn_the_2020_United_States_presidential_election

Do explain how there are any similarities between this and what you're randomly bringing up.
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MeadCore
12/11/21 10:06:16 PM
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A lot of people dont seem to realize that 1/6 was the start of a war that began at the capital but is now being fought in the courts. Make no mistake if this war is lost the US will no longer have anything resembling a democratic government.

We will be an authoritarian nation no different from Russia or China, and thats when really dark shit will start happening.

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KodyKeir
12/12/21 2:31:22 AM
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MeadCore posted...
1/6 was the start of a war

1/6 was the culmination of events that started when Rogers Ails told president Nixon that he wanted to create a conservative propaganda "news" outlet to combat liberalism.

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Revelation34
12/12/21 5:21:11 AM
#26:


MeadCore posted...
A lot of people dont seem to realize that 1/6 was the start of a war that began at the capital but is now being fought in the courts. Make no mistake if this war is lost the US will no longer have anything resembling a democratic government.

We will be an authoritarian nation no different from Russia or China, and thats when really dark shit will start happening.


The ones they know of have already been arrested.

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Californian
12/12/21 6:00:36 AM
#27:


Revelation34 posted...
The ones they know of have already been arrested.

they have not arrested any of the individuals that were involved in the planning of the attempted insurrection

you often do not understand what you are talking about so Id appreciate it if you stopped so confidently spreading information that is known to be false.

They want elections to not matter. They dont want the people to decide what they do, they want to tell us what is going to happen to us and what we have to do. They tried to take over the whole damn thing and they are still trying.

If they arent stopped then how many of our loved ones wont feel safe to simply freely exist as themselves in the world? They dont all feel that much hate. I think some of them are fairly good people and that politics and life experience are complicated things and they think they are doing the right thing.

But the majority does not seem to be like that, not anymore at least. Political parties change over time and the modern conservative movement is just tabloid entertainment. Its the political equivalent of infomercials and those annoying Girls Gone Wild ads that would play so often that it made it almost impossible to crank one out to them occasionally.

That has to be stopped because so many of them are so hateful that theyll just start killing the people they dont like, and more and more theyll be allowed and even encouraged to do it.

It wont matter if 95% of them are tolerant of other races and genders/sexual orientations, immigrants, muslims, and whatever else. Cause that 5% feels so emboldened by their rhetoric. Their side is so much better at messaging because they are selling entertainment to the American people rather than governance which is slow and dumbfoundingly stupid most of the time

There are two types of politicians in the world. The weird nerds who know a bunch of stuff and are good at doing things, and people who have an abundance of wealth, morals, or charisma. Sometimes those things overlap. Sometimes they dont. But the majority of conservative politicians have become just transparently corrupt because they know they can get away with it if they just keep entertaining and distracting their voters/viewers.

If they are not stopped this will stop being a land of free people.

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Revelation34
12/12/21 9:38:52 AM
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Californian posted...
But the majority of conservative politicians have become just transparently corrupt because they know they can get away with it if they just keep entertaining and distracting their voters/viewers.


Or maybe it's because of how badly the First Amendment is written.

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UnMead
12/12/21 9:42:21 AM
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Revelation34 posted...
Or maybe it's because of how badly the First Amendment is written.

Stop trying to divert conversations to be about other things. This isnt a first amendment issue, there is real evidence of very serious crimes.

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Revelation34
12/12/21 9:59:20 AM
#30:


UnMead posted...


Stop trying to divert conversations to be about other things. This isnt a first amendment issue, there is real evidence of very serious crimes.


Then tell me why they never attempted to arrest Trump.

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UnMead
12/12/21 10:02:15 AM
#31:


Revelation34 posted...
Then tell me why they never attempted to arrest Trump.

Why would I have the answer to that? I think they should and eventually will. We will see.

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adjl
12/12/21 10:34:22 AM
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Revelation34 posted...
Then tell me why they never attempted to arrest Trump.

That's basically what the impeachment trial was, except he got off because everyone on the Republican side voted to acquit regardless of how guilty they felt he was, since they felt showing their loyalty to him and the party was more beneficial than holding him accountable (McConnell all but explicitly said as much). He could still be criminally prosecuted, potentially, but I suspect that would be a very hard charge to stick after he'd already been acquitted of it in a slightly different context.

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Zeus
12/12/21 11:56:51 AM
#33:


Zareth posted...
"That's an overreaction!" says the people who think all protestors are rioters and that every city in America is still on fire

Seattle still feels like it's on fire, especially considering protesters are still trying to get rid of cops during a fucking crime wave, but more importantly, we've seen repeated days-long riots where buildings (including police stations, where the cops were forced to flee) have been burned to the ground.

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Blightzkrieg
12/12/21 12:32:32 PM
#35:


UnMead posted...
I think they should and eventually will
lol

He's going to die in like 5 years but even if he lived another century he'd never see jail time. He's spent his entire life never having to deal with the consequences of anything.

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UnMead
12/12/21 12:35:26 PM
#36:


Blightzkrieg posted...
lol

He's going to die in like 5 years but even if he lived another century he'd never see jail time. He's spent his entire life never having to deal with the consequences of anything.

well see. they are still in the discovery phase. I know people are discouraged by Bannons trial date but he isnt actually that important of a witness and its not like he is going to voluntarily cooperate with the investigation.

A lot could happen in the next few months.

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Blightzkrieg
12/12/21 12:38:07 PM
#37:


Gaetz isn't even charged for fucking teenagers yet.

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UnMead
12/12/21 12:39:03 PM
#38:


Blightzkrieg posted...
Gaetz isn't even charged for fucking teenagers yet.

yeah thats some bullshit

if they dont hurry his victims will become adults

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Blightzkrieg
12/12/21 12:45:44 PM
#39:


UnMead posted...
yeah thats some bullshit

if they dont hurry his victims will become adults
They won't hurry because it's entirely deliberate that these things never get resolved.

The rich are unaccountable by design as their cases get tied up in the courts indefinitely, meanwhile the poor get fed to the prisons on assembly lines.

Nobody wants to rock the boat.

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UnMead
12/12/21 12:47:59 PM
#40:


Then we need to start messing up the stuff they like

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Revelation34
12/12/21 1:08:07 PM
#41:


UnMead posted...
Then we need to start messing up the stuff they like


I don't want to mess up children and teens.

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KodyKeir
12/12/21 1:14:38 PM
#42:


UnMead posted...
Then we need to start messing up the stuff they like

The problem there is a fair amount of overlap with stuff we like, and they are already messing that stuff up just to spite us. How much further towards carcinization do we want to go?

On the plus side, Jeffery Epstein is dead and we shut down one of their paedophile sex islands, so baby steps.


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Sarcasthma
12/13/21 4:42:36 AM
#43:


Sarcasthma posted...
@Fierce_Deity_08
Why did you dip out of this topic?

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