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Yeah I mean being Canadian I guess I don't consider universal health care an extreme idea. I haven't seen it labeled as such anyway. I definitely see people against it because MY TAXES etc..

But like as I said, both sides do it. The media driving most of it. Labels everything the other side as insane.

And they aren't the same either. It's hard to put into words how I feel. I am awful at written word. Would much rather speak stuff. Suits me more.

I don't see arrogance in the content of ideas, but in how they're espoused and the people that do it.

I'm also not talking about a stricht right/left thing? Like I have no doubt I'd be saying the same thing on conservative B8

RPGlord95 posted...

Yeah I mean being Canadian I guess I don't consider universal health care an extreme idea. I haven't seen it labeled as such anyway. I definitely see people against it because MY TAXES etc..

But like as I said, both sides do it. The media driving most of it. Labels everything the other side as insane.

And they aren't the same either. It's hard to put into words how I feel. I am awful at written word. Would much rather speak stuff. Suits me more.

I understand, and I have known you long enough to give you the benefit of the doubt, but also most people on the left as I see it don't even believe any major media coverage is left because its owned by giant companies so!

ExThaNemesis posted...

It may not be everyone that gets grouped together, but you're pretty unhinged if you think it's not a very leftist trait to strip the humanity from anyone who commits [pick your wrongthink of the day] and then justify it by "THIS PERSON DOESN'T THINK I DESERVE RIGHTS SO yada yada."

I'm just gonna say this: if the left (whatever definition that means) ACTUALLY did this en masse, and had that mindset be mainstream, then the Democratic Party wouldn't struggle to win elections all the goddamn time. But instead, people across the leftwing spectrum constantly find reasons to defend those on the right for one reason or another, targeting each other as the "real" problem. I would LOVE if the left was as unreasonably extremist as the right paints them, because that would mean the left might actually accomplish something, and it would at least feel like a balance to the unreasonable extremism that DOES accomplish its goals on the right.

If y'all became unreasonably extremist about free college and universal healthcare and cutting military spending I would be right there with you.

But you're just unreasonably extremist about hating men and white people most of the time lol

The company may not be left leaning but they will present like it to serve their purpose and make money.

I also hold B8 generally to a very high standard of intelligence. B8 is comprised of way more smart people than when dealing with the public at large right? So when they accurately grasp a concept I need to remind myself most people don't get an idea like CNN isn't actually left. They just sell that.

Mr Lasastryke posted...

not really. you should see how hard people go after LotM for liking biden.

seems like lopen is basing his caricature of the politics topic on his experience of posting there a whopping three times or something.

I used to be a politics topic regular lmao

Then I realized it was a waste of time because you know that picture with the kid playing with blocks and philosophers relating to gender that para thought was super clever?

That's most of the politics topic on actual politics. A bunch of kids throwing blocks and food at each other when someone tries to say something not unanimously positive about the block they like.

ExThaNemesis posted...

If y'all became unreasonably extremist about free college and universal healthcare and cutting military spending I would be right there with you.

But you're just unreasonably extremist about hating men and white people most of the time lol

yes, as a 34 year old white man I hate white and men <_<

ExThaNemesis posted...

If y'all became unreasonably extremist about free college and universal healthcare and cutting military spending I would be right there with you.

But you're just unreasonably extremist about hating men and white people most of the time lol

This is an unintelligent take, ExTha.

ExThaNemesis posted...

If y'all became unreasonably extremist about free college and universal healthcare and cutting military spending I would be right there with you.

But you're just unreasonably extremist about hating men and white people most of the time lol

Stop *clap* talking to each other *clap* like representatives *clap* of a side.

I mean, I'd argue that the issue isn't leftists hating white men so much as right-wingers hating free college and universal healthcare and cutting military spending, and riling up white men into thinking "the left" is out to get them over minor social issues that really shouldn't be that big of a deal to anyone who isn't looking to be a professional victim, thus denying free college/universal healthcare/cutting military spending as part of the package with "protecting the most oppressed group in American history: white men".

ExThaNemesis posted...

But you're just unreasonably extremist about hating men and white people most of the time lol

if it makes things better, i hate people in general, not just white men

pjbasis posted...

Stop *clap* talking to each other *clap* like representatives *clap* of a side.

You can just post the emoji on gameFAQs, it's okay I promise

I would rather fix the climate tbh. Without a planet its gonna be hard to fix everything else

ExThaNemesis posted...

If y'all became unreasonably extremist about free college and universal healthcare and cutting military spending I would be right there with you.

But you're just unreasonably extremist about hating men and white people most of the time lol

Lopen posted...

I used to be a politics topic regular lmao

Then I realized it was a waste of time because you know that picture with the kid playing with blocks and philosophers relating to gender that para thought was super clever?

That's most of the politics topic on actual politics. A bunch of kids throwing blocks and food at each other when someone tries to say something not unanimously positive about the block they like.

pjbasis posted...

Stop *clap* talking to each other *clap* like representatives *clap* of a side.

Literally none of this happens in the politics topic, lol you guys are doing that thing Ulti does where he sees a stereotype on Twitter and just assigns it to everyone.

Lopen posted...

I used to be a politics topic regular lmao

Then I realized it was a waste of time because you know that picture with the kid playing with blocks and philosophers relating to gender that para thought was super clever?

That's most of the politics topic on actual politics. A bunch of kids throwing blocks and food at each other when someone tries to say something not unanimously positive about the block they like.

we can't all be geniuses like you, i guess

Like not one time have we talked about white people, or men, and we legitimately argue daily about things we all disagree on.

You guys are either making this shit up, or saw one tweet that was shared out of context and assumed we all were that, as if we dont post wild tweets all the time for fun.

Mr Lasastryke posted...

we can't all be geniuses like you, i guess

Oh but when I say something like this people get angry

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

You can just post the emoji on gameFAQs, it's okay I promise

I was just being lazy

RPGlord95 posted...

I would rather fix the climate tbh. Without a planet its gonna be hard to fix everything else

Without a healthy and informed populace, wise decisions become impossible after one generation.

Thus the funding of education and the radical economic policies of the last 40 years have put America behind the eight ball.

Yet not acknowledging my asexuality is treated like it was a-okay, like the article on me implying I want to "have sex with Tails".

No, I don't. Not only do I not like Tails like that(And never did. Besides, I'm not even obsessed with him anymore), but I also have zero interest in sex. It's like accusing a gay user of wanting to bang (insert female character) while being aware he's openly gay.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

This is an unintelligent take, ExTha.

I didn't mean the politics topic I meant the left in general.

MegaWentEvil posted...

Yet not acknowledging my asexuality is treated like it was a-okay, like the article on me implying I want to "have sex with Tails".

No, I don't. Not only do I not like Tails like that(And never did. Besides, I'm not even obsessed with him anymore), but I also have zero interest in sex. It's like accusing a gay user of wanting to bang (insert female character) while being aware he's openly gay.

Thanks MegaWentEvil! Very cool!

Not just America. We have been actively destroying education for awhile

I think we need cultural overhaul before we fix climate change. Though it might be the climate change that induces the cultural.

Yeah I just don't think we have time now with the climate. Seems like it's happening now and waiting isn't possible anymore.

ExThaNemesis posted...

I didn't mean the politics topic I meant the left in general.

Is your insinuation that the only white men leftists are in the politics topic? If not, then it's still not a good take. Maybe one you can support anecdotally, but not intelligently.

Like I've been grouped with SephsG in terms of my viewpoints

I've been called, or heavily implied to be, a racist, due to certain viewpoints about BLM and George Floyd and rioting, even if I agree with the overall movement.

I've been called in this topic a bigot due to thinking that "any gender identification is fine, but when it bleeds into needing a specialized pronoun it's a sign of a need for attention/validation rather than gender expression, and is missing the point of pronouns to begin with"

I mean I could go into details of my life, that people here who actually know me know make these statements patently ridiculous, but I'd be accused of making it up anyway because of how incredibly on the nose it is. And frankly, I simply don't care what people who have that kind of mindset think anyway because I know it's wrong and no one I actually respect here, and no one I know personally, thinks that about me. I don't have anything to prove to you-- keep being depressed as you venomously discuss politics, not having the energy to do anything to change anything about your life or the state of the world, but think that virtue signaling to the world makes you a better person.

It's not for me. And it's why I have the politics topic blocked-- it would actually be bad for my mental health reading it unless I compromised on actually critically thinking about stuff, because even if you respectfully disagree you try to get painted into a viewpoint you weren't even expressing because it's all a bunch of bad faith arguing in there.

VintageGin posted...

Is there a point where we can stop pretending "both sides" have good points? Like, how long do people have to listen to the Trump fan who posted Alex Jones shit all the time and still thinks masks do nothing before they can write him off as not worth their time?

idk there was that time we had someone come in after a person was murdered at Charlottesville and say they were glad to hear that "the right is finally fighting back against the left" and they're still engaged with to this day by a good chunk of the board.

While I'm almost positive said post was modded, I'm also 95% sure it was in the politics topic so if anyone looked back to the topic that day the reaction from everyone should still be there. There was a "walk back" later where they claimed not to know there was a fatality but like... how exactly do you get there was "fighting back" without hearing about that incident?

I love when people like to reminicse over the worst examples they can think of.

Keeps the fire of war alive inside

Gotta stop throwing sideline cheapshots and go about my day damn

Lopen posted...

I've been called in this topic a bigot due to thinking that "any gender identification is fine, but when it bleeds into needing a specialized pronoun it's a sign of a need for attention/validation rather than gender expression, and is missing the point of pronouns to begin with"

You realize the entire issue is you argued your point like shit by saying things like "They're playing from behind with me, man!" and ""They" should be good enough for them!"

And then you didn't help your case with stuff like the "Ulti was right about his indian generalization."

EDIT: I think what you don't seem to realize is you keep expressing your stance on issues in ways that are getting awfully close to that racist/bigoted line, so that even if you actually aren't that way, when it keeps happening (like this topic and in the politics topics like you alluded to), it kinda starts to look that way and people start to question you.

MegaWentEvil posted...

Yet not acknowledging my asexuality is treated like it was a-okay, like the article on me implying I want to "have sex with Tails".

No, I don't. Not only do I not like Tails like that(And never did. Besides, I'm not even obsessed with him anymore), but I also have zero interest in sex. It's like accusing a gay user of wanting to bang (insert female character) while being aware he's openly gay.

Yeah asexual erasure is definitely not okay.

I think part of the problem is like, you know how when you get back together with your friends from when you were a dumb kid, you all start to act like the same dumb kids you used to be? That's kinda like how the board is, because we've all been here so long. Except it's not just your old friends, it's like your entire high school, and all the old hurts and grudges that go along with that.

Ulti was right about that. I live in New Mexico, so I probably see more Native Americans in a year than most of you do in a lifetime because they're actually not a super huge minority here. I'm also half (or something resembling that-- don't know the exact 23 and me of my father) Native American-- yeah, I know, weird, right-- must be making that up, lol.

Just because certain Native Americans were loud about it (you get an inaccurate sampling because the number of Native Americans who aren't cool with being called Indians has a disproportionate overlap with those Natives that are politically active vs the population at large) doesn't mean that's general consensus by any stretch, and as Plum said the reason change was made was because of rich white people.

Frankly people who think Cleveland Native Americans is a better team name (they are the guardians which is a better team name to be fair) aren't getting the problem with the team name to begin with.

Now here's the thing with racism and bigotry, man. If you're basing it on something someone DOES and not what they ARE it's in fact not those things. You can think someone who is non-binary is an idiot, even for things relating to their gender identity, if it doesn't trace back to the fact of their existence. You saying "well, you're a bigot if you think they're playing behind" when the issue is tangentially related to their identity at best means you're not actually thinking about the issue at hand, but rather just looking for excuses to put a person down rather than engage an idea in earnest. It's okay to have a bad first impression of someone based on their behavior.

Feeling a need to make people learn a specialized pronoun that they'll likely only ever use for you is a matter of behavior, not a matter of gender identity. So no I'm not going to say you were justified in thinking I was treading anywhere near a bigoted line-- you just don't know what bigotry actually is and are using it as a way to dress up people you don't like. Which is gross and cost you a ton of respect points in my mind even if you're backpedaling super hard as this topic goes.

oh wow another NMer

that's hard to come by

to 500

Lopen, the fact that youre still trying to bend over backwards to defend Ulti is exactly why the politics topic treats you the way it does. Why do you continue to defend takes from people who you know are only there to stir up shit? Who you know are arguing in bad faith?

Lopen's most unforgivable act is saying Sora wouldn't be able to survive a blow to the head when I found Kingdom Hearts footage of Sora being dropped on his head and only saying "ow"

that mercs match was peak everything.

Hbthebattle posted...

Lopen, the fact that youre still trying to bend over backwards to defend Ulti is exactly why the politics topic treats you the way it does. Why do you continue to defend takes from people who you know are only there to stir up shit? Who you know are arguing in bad faith?

Everyone in the politics topic is arguing in bad faith aside from like one or two.

The only difference with Ulti is he is expressing a viewpoint you don't like. I'm not going to suddenly act like he's wrong when he's right just because Ulti said it.

The fact that you're saying I should disregard a valid viewpoint because of who said it is a perfect illustration of why the politics topic is a cesspool

Lopen posted...

It's okay to have a bad first impression of someone based on their behavior.

The problem is, that behavior is expressing their idea of their own identity. I've seen people say "I'm not bigoted, but when a guy comes around wearing a dress and wants me to call them she, I'm judging them for that." You're drawing a dividing line between what you're saying and what people like that said purely based on your ideas about gender, but they'd say the same thing about respecting pronouns at all.

There comes a time when you have to figure out when to stop extending good faith to people who have proven time and time again to be trolling or baiting. Its been continually shown that Ulti is trolling or baiting, so the most reasonable thing to assume is that anything he does post about politics is either blatantly meant to anger people, or can be disproven by thinking about it for more than 5 seconds.

Pattern recognition is a skill for a reason.

Hbthebattle posted...

Pattern recognition is a skill for a reason.

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I've heard so many racist/sexists say this

Lopen posted...

I'm not going to suddenly act like he's wrong when he's right just because Ulti said it.

Being able to recognize when an unreliable source happens to break character and say something correct is a nice skill to have.

But I'm not going to set my watch by the broken clock just because it aligned itself correctly 2 minutes out of 1,440 today.

And when someone consistently proves themselves to be of poor character then I seen no issue with ostracization in cases where reform has proven fruitless. (see: Ulti) There will be other sources willing to provide a 2/1440 level of correctness without the other baggage.

pjbasis posted...

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I've heard so many racist/sexists say this

And if they are using someone's race/gender/sexuality/etc to form a pattern then they are doing it wrong and that type of argument should be correctly ridiculed.

But if they are using a single individual's behaviors and actions to form a warranted opinion about that individual....

Almost there

Well this topic happened

pjbasis posted...

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I've heard so many racist/sexists say this

Theres a clear line between attempting to extend a hateful stereotype over an entire group of people versus recognizing a single actor continually acting in bad faith. When racists or sexists say something such as that, theyre putting up a shitty attempt to justify their hatred or bigotry.

Just trying to get to 500

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