Current Events > Oakland becomes latest city to try to reverse Defunding The Police

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Houston
11/30/21 1:58:35 PM
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"The mayor's announcement came after a weekend in which three people were killed, including a retired police officer acting as a security guard for a television news crew, bringing the number of homicides to 127 so far this year.
To address the violence, Schaaf said she'll ask the city council to reverse funding cuts scheduled to take effect next year, though she still supports diversion efforts.
When those messages and services are not effective the consequences must be swift and certain," Schaaf told reporters Monday on a Zoom call. There is nothing progressive about unbridled gun violence.

"Oakland is among other liberal cities having to change course amid a spike in crime."

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/oakland-mayor-seeks-to-reverse-police-cuts-amid-crime-spike/2743394/

Most people could have told these cities that a year ago. These soft approaches to crime are flat out dangerous

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darkprince45
11/30/21 2:00:50 PM
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people can hate police all they want. There are changes needed to the system theres no denying. But crime just doesnt go away because insane people think they need to be abolished. Violent crime doesnt disappear. Crime rates and homicides are literally up country wide.

we need MORE police lol

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FarFromFields
11/30/21 2:06:18 PM
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How can she claim "those messages and services are not effective" when they weren't scheduled to take effect until next year?

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CyricZ
11/30/21 2:09:58 PM
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darkprince45 posted...
people can hate police all they want. There are changes needed to the system theres no denying. But crime just doesnt go away because insane people think they need to be abolished. Violent crime doesnt disappear. Crime rates and homicides are literally up country wide.

we need MORE police lol
In the interest of full transparency, it should be expressed that GameFAQs user darkprince45 has considerable personal connections with the police.

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bigblu89
11/30/21 2:12:19 PM
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"Defunding the Police" as a term was a failure from the jump, because the actual concept wasn't to actually cut the Police Department's funding.

The plan was to actually overhaul how they do their job, and THEN cutting funding if they fail to comply with the new policies.

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FarFromFields
11/30/21 2:13:12 PM
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CyricZ posted...
In the interest of full transparency, it should be expressed that GameFAQs user darkprince45 has considerable personal connections with the police.
It's a strong boot-to-tongue connection.

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darkprince45
11/30/21 2:14:26 PM
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darkprince45
11/30/21 2:18:05 PM
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Sayoria
11/30/21 3:26:52 PM
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Defunding the police WITHOUT reallocating the funds to social programs would do nothing. Until we give everyone the resources they need to live successful and happy lives, it really doesn't even matter.

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greyfox747
11/30/21 3:27:56 PM
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FarFromFields posted...
How can she claim "those messages and services are not effective" when they weren't scheduled to take effect until next year?
Really makes you think

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Questionmarktarius
11/30/21 3:30:50 PM
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greyfox747 posted...
Really makes you think
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GallisOTK
11/30/21 3:31:58 PM
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Sayoria posted...
Defunding the police WITHOUT reallocating the funds to social programs would do nothing. Until we give everyone the resources they need to live successful and happy lives, it really doesn't even matter.

This. You want less crime? Then make people's living situations better so that they don't feel like they need to resort to crime just to survive.
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Smackems
11/30/21 3:32:55 PM
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It was always stupid as fuck

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fan357
11/30/21 3:35:29 PM
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Lmao you guys all for defunding the police should move to low income areas. Have fun.

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_BIueMonk
11/30/21 3:37:14 PM
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the funds weren't even canceled yet

what does this change?

ok so now if you rob a store, the police can launch grenades at you? fuck this. continue to defund the police so they can't just gobble up military surplus gear and show up to simple stuff in Meal Team 6 gear

and with the money they do have, make sure they are training people not to go in guns blazing and become an asset to a community, not an enemy to it.

"BUT BUT BUT I SAW ON THE NEWS PEOPLE SWARMING STORES"

ok yeah shut those down. those are not just homies chillin on the block going "oh time to get my friends together to loot some buildlings." we know those are organized crime rings. catch them. lock them up. show them that this is not going unpunished.

but throwing cops at them with assault rifles isn't going to do anything.

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_BIueMonk
11/30/21 3:39:02 PM
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also

maybe people wouldn't be stealing shit if they had guaranteed income. if they could meet all their needs, and that the state had funds to provide for it. like a fucking society should

pay your fucking taxes

defund the police

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darkprince45
11/30/21 3:40:00 PM
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_BIueMonk posted...
also

maybe people wouldn't be stealing shit if they had guaranteed income. if they could meet all their needs, and that the state had funds to provide for it. like a fucking society should

pay your fucking taxes

defund the police

you think those teenager mobs of smashing and grabbing is because of taxes and guaranteed income?

at least the opposite of what you guys parrot is happening lol

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VipaGTS
11/30/21 3:41:11 PM
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Houston posted...


To address the violence, Schaaf said she'll ask the city council to reverse funding cuts scheduled to take effect next year, though she still supports diversion efforts.


so the cuts havent even gone into effect yet. And it sounds like theyll still support diverting the money to other areas. And it sounds like they are going to be tougher on gunsisnt that something conservatives are fighting against?

nice Flopic.

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Blue_Inigo
11/30/21 3:48:34 PM
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https://twitter.com/davidminpdx/status/1464348140979384320?s=20


Casual reminder that crime on the whole is steadily decreasing and no amount of bootlegging copaganda will change that.

Cops as a whole never even got defended and they still have a stupid amount of money and impunity that has let them constantly get away with injustices. We don't need more police departments that lynch people and try to hide it. We don't need police unions that fight against vaccinations.

Fuck the police.

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justaguy3492
11/30/21 3:49:06 PM
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darkprince45 posted...
Koper study shows how just having police presence deters crime

My man really out here referencing an old study from the heart of the tough on crime era. Lol.

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VipaGTS
11/30/21 3:55:19 PM
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Soseems like this has nothing to do with defund the police. Their budget just had typical cuts and certain areas of the police department were part of it. Theyre asking to reverse those cuts but still fully support looking for ways to divert the money in an effort to help with gun violencewhich is what defund the police is about. They also want to be tougher on guns and gun crime.

but of course, the conservative users here will do what they do best and be dishonest to make their side look good. When you have to constantly lie to be on the winning side you might want to reconsider who you are.

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darkprince45
11/30/21 3:56:33 PM
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justaguy3492 posted...
My man really out here referencing an old study from the heart of the tough on crime era. Lol.
Almost any time police are mentioned on the internet someones brings up the 40 percent trope. Which is a study from 1991 with about 50 people from one department and apply it to now. People parrot the early 2000 incident about the officer and his IQ and as well.

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CyricZ
11/30/21 3:58:44 PM
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Why does darkprince consider "has connections to the police" an insult.

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darkprince45
11/30/21 4:00:58 PM
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Was not referring to you but the post after you

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CyricZ
11/30/21 4:01:24 PM
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Ohhhhhh

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TheOtherMike
11/30/21 4:02:13 PM
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CyricZ posted...
Why does darkprince consider "has connections to the police" an insult.

Thin skin.
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_BIueMonk
11/30/21 4:53:17 PM
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coming back to say that the Bay Area subreddit, and really any large metropolitan subreddit, is full of posts like this

conservatrolls like the OP will come in and just post crime story after crime story after crime story. they have nothing good to say about the area. when asked, they can't even tell you if they live there. because they dont. just their agenda. make cities like this look bad so they can go "DA LIBS ARE ANARCHY!!!"

my favorite was earlier this week, when someone posted a video titled something like "Looting in San Francisco!" when it was Walnut Creek, about 1 hour away by car, and it was last FUCKING year. its obvious they dont live here because no one in the bay area would call fucking Walnut Creek San Francisco.

i block these people, just like im blocking op.

and fuck the police.

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VipaGTS
11/30/21 6:23:30 PM
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Whered OP go? His narrative was proven wrong. Hes not gonna man up and admit he was wrong? Of course not.

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Vicious_Dios
11/30/21 6:27:15 PM
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"Raising crime in their own cities to OWN the conserbz... No wait, we were just kidding! D:"

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Xethuminra
11/30/21 6:28:51 PM
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Seems to me like the actual problems aren't being addressed and dealt with accordingly

And by the way, a lot of these problems are literally impossible to give a real fix over night or over a year or anything like that.

Some progress can be instant (revoking a law, for example)
Other progress takes countless generations (building a country, for example)
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SuperShake666
11/30/21 6:29:31 PM
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Bishop9800
11/30/21 6:33:18 PM
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VipaGTS posted...
but of course, the conservative users here will do what they do best and be dishonest to make their side look good. When you have to constantly lie to be on the winning side you might want to reconsider who you are.


Seeing who TC is and his past posts, this is 100% facts.

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divot1338
11/30/21 7:46:20 PM
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Instead of defunding the police they should just put the Fire department in charge of them.

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Dakimakura
11/30/21 7:52:50 PM
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The issue has always been holding the police accountable for their actions, not defunding them. The extremist calls by a vocal minority to defund the police will always be a means used to reduce the credibility of the side that wants the police to face justice for injustice.

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Bishop9800
11/30/21 7:55:33 PM
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Dakimakura posted...
The issue has always been holding the police accountable for their actions, not defunding them.

Say it one more time for the people in the back......

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cjsdowg
11/30/21 7:59:16 PM
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They were not defunded yet. So doesn't that disprove the point.

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RiKuToTheMiGhtY
11/30/21 8:02:34 PM
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I needed a good laugh at something really stupid, thanks Oakland.

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VipaGTS
11/30/21 8:04:17 PM
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cjsdowg posted...
They were not defunded yet. So doesn't that disprove the point.
All the boot lickers are ignoring every post pointing this out lol.

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Bishop9800
11/30/21 8:07:46 PM
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VipaGTS posted...
All the boot lickers are ignoring every post pointing this out lol.


Of course they are. Notice that you haven't heard a peep from any of them regarding that.

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iPhone_7
11/30/21 8:16:00 PM
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Police terrorizing poor neighborhoods and killing black people are crimes. The police should be defunded even if crime were on the rise.

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Tsuyoi3
11/30/21 8:27:06 PM
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Houston posted...
reverse funding cuts scheduled to take effect
So they hadn't cut the funding yet and diverted it to social services?
Sounds less like the policy doesnt work and more like they chickened out before doing it.

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runewalshPSiv
11/30/21 8:34:31 PM
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iPhone_7 posted...
Police terrorizing poor neighborhoods and killing black people are crimes. The police should be defunded even if crime were on the rise.

So you want people in those communities to kill each other even more than they already do?


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Unsugarized_Foo
11/30/21 8:37:39 PM
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They didn't defund enough. Idiots.

If I was mayor, I'd buy everyone a gun and everyone would know not to fuck with anyone because they'd die

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ZMythos
11/30/21 8:42:16 PM
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runewalshPSiv posted...
So you want people in those communities to kill each other even more than they already do?

Wow you really clicked this topic and thought this would be a good post

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BilalPowell
11/30/21 8:44:43 PM
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I'm surprised taking away resources from people who arrest criminals led to more crime.

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Mizznox
11/30/21 8:44:53 PM
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FarFromFields posted...
How can she claim "those messages and services are not effective" when they weren't scheduled to take effect until next year?

This + a little searching on this subject indicates that these increases in homicide are a nation-wide trend, including in cities where police did not receive cuts or even saw increased funding.
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Mizznox
11/30/21 8:45:44 PM
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BilalPowell posted...
I'm surprised taking away resources from people who arrest criminals led to more crime.

Except that part never happened in this case.
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ColdOne666
11/30/21 8:48:28 PM
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_BIueMonk posted...
maybe people wouldn't be stealing shit if they had guaranteed income.

Like a job?

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Antifar
11/30/21 8:48:52 PM
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ColdOne666 posted...
Like a job?
What do you think guaranteed means

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