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Fony
11/23/21 3:15:19 PM
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Turns out she was the aggressor.

https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/police-pregnant-librarian-killed-in-alleged-road-rage-shooting-was-aggressor

Sara Nicole Morales, 35, was shot outside her house after deputies said she drove home to get a gun following some sort of altercation with a motorcyclist.

According to Orange City police officers, Morales was involved in an incident with the motorcyclist on N. Volusia Avenue just after 5 p.m. on Saturday.

Investigators said Morales was behind the wheel of a blue Kia when she intentionally hit the motorcycle in the 1400 block of N. Volusia Ave. and then fled the scene, traveling southbound on U.S. Highway 17-92. The motorcyclist and a witness followed Morales to the intersection of 17-92 and Wisconsin Ave, where they attempted to get her to stop.

The motorcyclist and witness continued to follow Morales to her home while also contacting law enforcement, authorities said.

According to police, when Morales arrived at her house, she entered the residence to retrieve a gun and a confrontation took place in the roadway. Morales was shot multiple times by the motorcyclist.
Police said the motorcyclist, who has a concealed weapons permit, remained at the scene and has been cooperating with investigators.

Orange City Fire Rescue responded to provide medical care at the scene before Morales was transported to Halifax Health Medical Center where she succumbed to her injuries.
According to those close to Morales, she was approximately four to five months pregnant. She leaves behind an 11-year-daughter and a fianc.

The investigation is ongoing and no one has been charged.

People think you can just confront anyone with a gun and be in the right just because you're butthurt. Sad fate, but completely her fault.

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Cleo_II
11/23/21 3:21:55 PM
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I feel like theres something missing here. Unfortunately she is dead and cant speak to her defense. Id take the motorists version of the story with a grain of salt. He followed her all the way home instead of just getting her license plate? I wonder if she was in fear of her life.
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Zikten
11/23/21 3:27:26 PM
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Cleo_II posted...
I feel like theres something missing here. Unfortunately she is dead and cant speak to her defense. Id take the motorists version of the story with a grain of salt. He followed her all the way home instead of just getting her license plate? I wonder if she was in fear of her life.

this. Probably more to the story
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skermac
11/23/21 3:28:44 PM
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Why is road rage even a thing?

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Fony
11/23/21 4:02:58 PM
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Cleo_II posted...
I feel like theres something missing here. Unfortunately she is dead and cant speak to her defense. Id take the motorists version of the story with a grain of salt. He followed her all the way home instead of just getting her license plate? I wonder if she was in fear of her life.

It's not his word vs hers. Him and several witnesses, along with two different 911 dispatchsers all agree.

She hit him, then tried to run him over, then fled. He and another person tried to stop her at an intersection but she got home. They were in the street just taking down her license plate number, when she came outside into the street with a gun.

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eston
11/23/21 4:06:55 PM
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While it does sound like a valid self-defense claim, I would also say that following her back to her home was absolutely not the correct thing to do in this situation

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Fony
11/23/21 4:30:33 PM
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eston posted...
While it does sound like a valid self-defense claim, I would also say that following her back to her home was absolutely not the correct thing to do in this situation

Yes it is, people do this all the time, to get the license plate number. They did not confront her or go up to her "house". They were in the street. It's what people do all the time, and people foillow hit and run perps while calling police all the time. Just because she tried to play bandit and got killed doesn't make it wrong.

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voldothegr8
11/23/21 4:41:40 PM
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Fony posted...


Yes it is, people do this all the time, to get the license plate number. They did not confront her or go up to her "house". They were in the street. It's what people do all the time, and people foillow hit and run perps while calling police all the time. Just because she tried to play bandit and got killed doesn't make it wrong.

You said they tried to stop her once at an intersection though, which isn't on them to do. Follow sure, but not try to stop. Also why did it take them so long to get the plates? I feel they should have gotten it before reaching her house.
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DocileOrangeCup
11/23/21 4:41:43 PM
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I don't get it, was she lightning quick getting to the gun or did it take them several minutes to get her plates?

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Fony
11/23/21 4:45:45 PM
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DocileOrangeCup posted...
I don't get it, was she lightning quick getting to the gun or did it take them several minutes to get her plates?

She ran in the house and right back out with a gun, and ran up to them with it drawn. Also, they were in the street, NOT on her property or confronting her...waiting for the police to arrive.

voldothegr8 posted...
You said they tried to stop her once at an intersection though, which isn't on them to do. Follow sure, but not try to stop. Also why did it take them so long to get the plates? I feel they should have gotten it before reaching her house.


Your post in its entirety is incorrect.

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eston
11/23/21 4:49:26 PM
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They literally had a confrontation outside her house, and none of that was necessary in order to get her license plate number

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voldothegr8
11/23/21 4:50:54 PM
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Fony posted...
Your post in its entirety is incorrect.

You said

Fony posted...
She hit him, then tried to run him over, then fled. He and another person tried to stop her at an intersection

Why and how did they try to stop her?
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Fony
11/23/21 4:58:34 PM
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eston posted...
They literally had a confrontation outside her house, and none of that was necessary in order to get her license plate number

She confronted someone who wasn't a threat to her with a gun, because she was enraged. Then they shot her in self defense.

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Scintillant
11/23/21 5:02:08 PM
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Why did they follow her to her house?

Jesus christ people in this country are so obsessed with violence, do people just froth at the mouth fantasizing they get to shoot someone some day? Absolutely disturbing.

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kingdrake2
11/23/21 5:02:48 PM
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skermac posted...
Why is road rage even a thing?


road rage is the culmination of anger and entitlement meant to get revenge against one another.
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EmbraceOfDeath
11/23/21 5:43:08 PM
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Scintillant posted...
Why did they follow her to her house?

Jesus christ people in this country are so obsessed with violence, do people just froth at the mouth fantasizing they get to shoot someone some day? Absolutely disturbing.
She intentionally hit the guy on his motorcycle and could have killed him. Stop victim blaming.

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Fony
11/23/21 5:45:27 PM
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EmbraceOfDeath posted...
She intentionally hit the guy on his motorcycle and could have killed him. Stop victim blaming.

Yes, I think they're of the impression that women can't be guilty in these situations. She tried to kill the man several times.

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Scintillant
11/23/21 5:52:20 PM
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EmbraceOfDeath posted...
She intentionally hit the guy on his motorcycle and could have killed him. Stop victim blaming.
When did I do that?

I asked a question and made a statement. I can clearly discern that she is in the wrong here, but nothing the guy did was helpful or necessary.

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Fony
11/23/21 5:59:59 PM
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Getting her info and sticking around for police was actually necessary, like any other road accident. Her fleeing and trying to kill him again are the only things that were not necessary.

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Jerry_Hellyeah
11/23/21 6:17:55 PM
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For some people, this kind of thing can be absolutely life ruining, so you bet your ass hes gonna make sure that plate # is correct, and no, he definitely should not be fumbling for a pen or phone while driving, to all the geniuses who suggested that. Christ.

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JuanCarlos1
11/23/21 6:24:52 PM
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Getting her info is how you get money to fix you vehicle and cover health bills so it makes sense following her. Now why the fuck does it have to escalate to guns? Did she shoot first? Why would she act so risky being pregnant? All her actions show her as trash sadly.

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Scintillant
11/23/21 7:33:56 PM
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Fony posted...
Getting her info and sticking around for police was actually necessary, like any other road accident. Her fleeing and trying to kill him again are the only things that were not necessary.

Jerry_Hellyeah posted...
For some people, this kind of thing can be absolutely life ruining, so you bet your ass hes gonna make sure that plate # is correct, and no, he definitely should not be fumbling for a pen or phone while driving, to all the geniuses who suggested that. Christ.


She already tried to kill him once, I don't understand the rationale of waiting around especially if there were witnesses.

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VipaGTS
11/25/21 4:09:17 PM
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Ok my questionpeople are justifying them following her to her home to get the plates butif they were following her they could have easily gotten the plates on the way without having to stop there.

lets be honest, some motorcyclists are assholes and they hold grudges. Obviously in this case their anger would be justified, but its likely they stopped at her house to do more than just get the plates. They had all witnesses in their side. All they had to do was take down the plates while they followed and leave. But they stayed there long enough for her to park, get inside, see them, and come back out with a gun?

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Fony
11/25/21 4:14:07 PM
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Not sure why you're literally making things up to excuse her. Also she is dead. Excuses won't resurrect her, she should have not tried to kill someone(twice).

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DarkChozoGhost
11/25/21 4:17:46 PM
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They were in the street waiting for police to come. She came out with a gun. She had already tried to kill him. Fair, next

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The_Korey
11/25/21 4:18:51 PM
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EmbraceOfDeath posted...
She intentionally hit the guy on his motorcycle and could have killed him. Stop victim blaming.

Honestly, if this part is true, I don't even kare if the rest is a lie and they just wanted to lynch her. Fuck this shit.

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VipaGTS
11/25/21 4:19:18 PM
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Fony posted...
Not sure why you're literally making things up to excuse her. Also she is dead. Excuses won't resurrect her, she should have not tried to kill someone(twice).
not excusing her at all. Im just pointing out that their story of we just wanted her plates is kinda sus since it doesnt take that long to get plates and they didnt need to be at her house to do that if they were following her. You dont have to pick a side here you know.

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Fony
11/25/21 4:19:45 PM
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DuranOfForcena posted...
if someone tried to run me over with their car and then flee i for one would definitely consider it necessary to follow them while contacting authorities and not let them out of my sight until they are in custody
But you see, it was a WOMAN! She can't be the bad guy! She's not even a guy! And women shouldn't ever face consequences either!

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Fony
11/25/21 4:20:44 PM
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VipaGTS posted...
not excusing her at all. Im just pointing out that their story of we just wanted her plates is kinda sus since it doesnt take that long to get plates and they didnt need to be at her house to do that if they were following her. You dont have to pick a side here you know.

Lol yea sure several people including two different 911 operators are all being dishonest about the fate of this fair maiden. This guy and a whole other person with NO connection to him just colluded to murder this innocent woman.

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hyperpowder
11/25/21 4:28:24 PM
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Wtf at people defending this lady saying "they shouldn't have went to the house" well she could've not exited the house with a gun either.

If someone hit my car and ran I would totally follow them to get their license plate. Even if I had their license plate I would follow them to the house and wait for the cops to arrive.

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Zano
11/25/21 4:30:14 PM
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Its odd that people here are theorizing that the motorcyclist was waiting to do something more to herwhen he had already called the police to your location. It would be stupid to call the police right before youre planning to do something illegal. Plus he had several witnesses with him while at her house who certainly would have turned on him if he did something stupid.

Also, how the hell do you all propose he get her license plate without following her? I highly doubt he has paper and pen while riding his motorcycle. Even if he did, how would he use it while riding?

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Shadow Don
11/25/21 4:36:28 PM
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It is absolutely appropriate to follow someone in this circumstance so that you can tell the police where they are going.

Anyone saying otherwise is fucking dumb.

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Number090684
11/25/21 4:38:21 PM
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This is why it's not worth interacting with strangers unless you absolutely have to. People will try to hurt or even kill you over nothing these days, even if you didn't do anything to them.
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littlebro07
11/25/21 4:40:05 PM
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Sad. Couldve just been extra hormonal from the pregnancy, making her not think/act straight - my wife had a few super crazy days around the 4-5 month mark. Always told me its a good thing I drive her everywhere because shed probably end up in jail lol

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NoxObscuras
11/25/21 4:40:31 PM
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VipaGTS posted...
Ok my questionpeople are justifying them following her to her home to get the plates butif they were following her they could have easily gotten the plates on the way without having to stop there.

lets be honest, some motorcyclists are assholes and they hold grudges. Obviously in this case their anger would be justified, but its likely they stopped at her house to do more than just get the plates. They had all witnesses in their side. All they had to do was take down the plates while they followed and leave. But they stayed there long enough for her to park, get inside, see them, and come back out with a gun?
I think I can explain a bit of this. I've read hit and run reports and a lot of the time, the victim attempts to follow the other car, but can't, because the other car is aggressively trying to lose them and is speeding through traffic. You can't simply "write down their plate" in a situation like that. So they were trying to get her to stop and wait for police, realized she wasn't going to stop, so they called the police while making sure they didn't lose sight of her.

I guarantee she was aware that they were following her. So she didn't casually get out of her car, notice they were there, and then decide to get a gun. It sounds like the time between getting to her house and coming back out with a gun was quick.

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SauI_Goodman
11/25/21 4:44:08 PM
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If you are involved in a road incident never drive home if the person is following you. You dont need crazies knowing where you live. Drive to a police station instead and theyll disappear.

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Fony
11/25/21 4:45:21 PM
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SauI_Goodman posted...
If you are involved in a road incident never drive home if the person is following you. You dont need crazies knowing where you live. Drive to a police station instead and theyll disappear.

She drove home to get her gun. She failed to kill the man using her car.

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SauI_Goodman
11/25/21 4:46:31 PM
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Fony posted...
She drove home

Exactly.

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WhitGameR44
11/25/21 4:47:01 PM
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SauI_Goodman posted...
If you are involved in a road incident never drive home if the person is following you. You dont need crazies knowing where you live. Drive to a police station instead and theyll disappear.

Did you purposely not read anything in the first post...

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Fony
11/25/21 4:47:11 PM
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Simping on a dead woman, lol.

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SauI_Goodman
11/25/21 4:47:45 PM
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WhitGameR44 posted...
Did you purposely not read anything in the first post...
Ill tell you like i told the other guy. I read it. Now read mine...

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SauI_Goodman
11/25/21 4:49:14 PM
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Anyways, i dont got time to explain simple concepts that a 5 year old understands to grown ups. Let me know when you pass a comprehenion class.

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WhitGameR44
11/25/21 4:49:38 PM
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SauI_Goodman posted...
Ill tell you like i told the other guy. I read it. Now read mine...

If she went straight to the cops, the motorcyclist would of arrived there too. He and the other witness would of told the cops that she was the reason for the potential attempted murder.

He isn't going to just disappear when he wasn't even at fault.

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WhitGameR44
11/25/21 4:52:29 PM
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SauI_Goodman posted...
Anyways, i dont got time to explain simple concepts that a 5 year old understands to grown ups. Let me know when you pass a comprehenion class.

Well looks like 5 year olds are smarter than you.

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Sad_Face
11/25/21 4:56:28 PM
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AssultTank posted...
Dude was driving a motorcycle. I don't know if you know this, but writing while driving a motorcycle is not exactly easy. It would require the user to have at least 3 hands. 1 for the pen, 1 to hold whatever you're writing on, and 1 to keep control of the vehicle. You absolutely have to wait for a point where you can stop.

I'd imagine he'd whip out his phone for a photo of the license plate. But he might have gloves on and need to take that off to access his smartphone, need a steady aim and be within range to take shot where the letters are legible.

In other words, your point still stands. Just felt like nitpicking.

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Lorenzo_2003
11/25/21 5:18:30 PM
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Sad_Face posted...
I'd imagine he'd whip out his phone for a photo of the license plate. But he might have gloves on and need to take that off to access his smartphone, need a steady aim and be within range to take shot where the letters are legible.

Or

You could avoid the risk of crashing on your bike by following the suspect to their destination, taking your sweet time writing down their license plate and taking as many non-blurry photos of their now stationary vehicle, and even eat a sandwich as you draw a detailed artistic representation of the suspect waving their gun at you.

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