Poll of the Day > Matthew McConaughey OPPOSES Vaccinations on KIDS and believes in CHOICE!!!

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Oscar winning actor "Independent" Matthew McConaughey came out AGAINST mandating COVID Vaccines on children despite the father of 3 getting double vaxxed himself!!

He said while he and his wife were both vaxxed, he doesn't want a mandate jab for his kids aged 8, 11 and 13

He said he wasn't anti-vaxx but still wants more information as this just comes when the CDC approved Pfizer vaccines for children aged 5-11

The decision caused a storm of controversy with opponents pointing to the fact that little evidence to suggest vaccinating children is necessary

Data shows COVID poses a low risk to the age group where they account for less than 0.1% of virus deaths

The US was one of the first states to officially approve jabs for 5-11 age group with most countries including the UK only ffering vaccines to children 12 and older

At the same time, he tells writer Andrew Ross Sorkin that vaccinations should be PERSONAL CHOICE and said "I'm vaccinated. My wife's vaccinated. I didn't do it because someone told me, i had to, i chose to doi t. Do i think there's any kind of scam or conspiracy theory? Hell No. We all got to get off that narrative. Tehre's not a conspiracy theory on the vaccines. But right now, i won't vaccinate my children".

He also noted he and his family quarantined extensively during the 2020 year and made use of "heavy amount" of tests for the virus

McConaughey has floated the idea of running for Governor to go up against Greg Abbott with polls showing he would do well though it isn't clear what party he would run under whether it's a primary against Abbot for Republicans or as a Democrat

Do you support his "moderate" approach to the vaccine?

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Alright, alright, alright

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Completely agree with him

I'm sure people will be calling him an alt-right fascist now. It's a tough gig being an independent these days. People only perceive the world through political binary now. They can't even comprehend a middle ground. That's why I pulled a Carlin and turned my back on society years ago.

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Metalsonic66 posted...

Altright, altright, altright

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Ozmose posted...

I'm sure people will be calling him an alt-right fascist now. It's a tough gig being an independent these days. People only perceive the world through political binary now. They can't even comprehend a middle ground. That's why I pulled a Carlin and turned my back on society years ago.

Maybe people will be upset with this because in the past 18 months a disease has killed nearly a million Americans, and we're at a point where it is nearly entirely preventable simply by getting a vaccine that has been proven to be not only safe but quite effective.

Yet despite this, a sizable proportion of the population believes in wingnut conspiracies or superstitions against these vaccines, and now everyone else has to pay for it. But no, let's call it a political binary instead of addressing it as being a widespread culture of ignorance, stupidity, and fear.

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Yes, meanwhile he's shilling for gas guzzling Cadillac just to show how down to earth he really is lmao. The guy's a jerk and I avoid him and his movies like a plague.

edit: All these fools that don't want to get the vaccine just let them go their way. It's called Darwinism for a reason.

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faramir77 posted...

Maybe people will be upset with this because in the past 18 months a disease has killed nearly a million Americans, and we're at a point where it is nearly entirely preventable simply by getting a vaccine that has been proven to be not only safe but quite effective.

Yet despite this, a sizable proportion of the population believes in wingnut conspiracies or superstitions against these vaccines, and now everyone else has to pay for it. But no, let's call it a political binary instead of addressing it as being a widespread culture of ignorance, stupidity, and fear.

First of all there were not over a million preventable deaths. About 65% of those deaths occurred before the vaccines were available.
Second, the hospitalization rate for vaccinated people is 0.1%, that jumps to a whopping 0.8% for the un-vaccinated. You're talking like unvaccinated people are dropping like flies, they're simply not.
Don't get me wrong. I'm vaccinated, and I think other people should get it too, but it's not the end of the world if they don't. That's their choice to make though, and you have no right to force them.
The fact that you immediately went to labeling people as ignorant, stupid, and fearful, for not seeing it your way only reinforces my position.

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I don't see a problem with that opinion tbh, get it if you want it or risk it if you don't

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I mean it's a choice to get vaccinated or not so sure. It's understandable some folk have reservations. Even more so when it comes to kids.

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I respect his right to make that decision, and I respect the right of companies to mandate vaccinations. Don't get vaxxed then accept the consequences.

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kind9 posted...

and I respect the right of companies to mandate vaccinations. Don't get vaxxed then accept the consequences.

Why the fuck. My body my choice, end of discussion here. If I'm educated well enough my choice will be fine and easy to make. Now this year's vaccine have been a lie and it really is easy to tell they've been a lie. There has been no educated message, no real data, no transparency, bad interpretation of events... I should be able to choose and my rights should be untouched. A company with mandatory vacs is illegal, should be illegal, and anyone not saying so is contributing the general terrorist attack we are seeing week after week. New vacs are a real issue. Untill 2019 I did not have any issue with any vac put there. Perhaps only one or two.

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Full Throttle posted...

The decision caused a storm of controversy with opponents pointing to the fact that little evidence to suggest vaccinating children is necessary

Full Throttle posted... Data shows COVID poses a low risk to the age group where they account for less than 0.1% of virus deaths

I mean, we've always known that the risk to children was nearly non-existent. It was more that we worried they could be carriers.

Metalsonic66 posted... Alright, alright, alright

McCarthyism, McCarthyism, McCarthyism

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ganondorf77 posted...

My body my choice, end of discussion here.

Exactly what I said. Your body, your choice. Their company, their choice. I know it's a cliche thing to say, but you live in a society, and if you can't make compromises then why should I care about your pet problem? The pandemic is real, vaccine science is solid, the vaccine is not experimental, and it has been fully approved by the FDA. If there are legitimate reasons to not get vaxxed as a responsible adult you didn't list a single one.

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kind9 posted...

Exactly what I said. Your body, your choice. Their company, their choice. I know it's a cliche thing to say, but you live in a society, and if you can't make compromises then why should I care about your pet problem? The pandemic is real, vaccine science is solid, the vaccine is not experimental, and it has been fully approved by the FDA. If there are legitimate reasons to not get vaxxed as a responsible adult you didn't list a single one.

No, a company can do what they want, unless it's against human rights, and it's against human right not to be hired because you are black, or gay, or with any kind of disability, or not vaccinated, ilegal then, stop it already, stop feeding that kind of discussion. What do you want, not vaccinated people not being able to buy food, them to have a visible symbol in their arm? What do you want? Split human society into 2 sides in war? Just asking the question is disgusting.

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ganondorf77 posted...

No, a company can do what they want, unless it's against human rights, and it's against human right not to be hired because you are black, or gay, or with any kind of disability, or not vaccinated, ilegal then, stop it already, stop feeding that kind of discussion. What do you want, not vaccinated people not being able to buy food, them to have a visible symbol in their arm? What do you want? Split human society into 2 sides in war? Just asking the question is disgusting.

Jesus Christ LOL

ganondorf77 posted...

No, a company can do what they want, unless it's against human rights, and it's against human right not to be hired because you are black, or gay, or with any kind of disability, or not vaccinated, ilegal then, stop it already, stop feeding that kind of discussion. What do you want, not vaccinated people not being able to buy food, them to have a visible symbol in their arm? What do you want? Split human society into 2 sides in war? Just asking the question is disgusting.

If it's illegal then so be it, but I don't think the matter is so black and white. In fact when I google this every source seems to indicate that mandatory workplace vaccinations is not illegal under anti-discrimination laws in the US. Obviously you don't have to walk into a store to buy food in the current year.

ganondorf77 posted...

What do you want? Split human society into 2 sides in war?

Nope. Do you?

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ganondorf77 posted...

Split human society into 2 sides in war?

You better hope that war isn't biological.

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So dumb. Everyone says COVID is low risk to children without actually putting any thought to the numbers. Children have a very low risk of death in general. Only about 3000-4000 kids 5-11 die in the entirety of the US each year from all causes combined. Even a few hundred dying from COVID is an insane percent increase. That's not even going into all the kids who have been hospitalized with it which is in the 1000s.

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JJH777 posted...

So dumb. Everyone says COVID is low risk to children without actually putting any thought to the numbers. Children have a very low risk of death in general. Only about 3000-4000 kids 5-11 die in the entirety of the US each year from all causes combined. Even a few hundred dying from COVID is an insane percent increase. That's not even going into all the kids who have been hospitalized with it which is in the 1000s.

I'm not sure why you think that's an argument. It's just a weird side tangent.

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ganondorf77 posted...

No, a company can do what they want, unless it's against human rights, and it's against human right not to be hired because you are black, or gay, or with any kind of disability, or not vaccinated

Vaccination status is not a protected class. In fact, there are decades of precedent for vaccination status being a condition of employment, primarily in health care and similar fields that deal with vulnerable people. Being unable to be vaccinated is protected, but you'll notice the vast majority of workplace vaccination policies include exceptions for those that genuinely cannot be.

ganondorf77 posted...

If I'm educated well enough my choice will be fine and easy to make. Now this year's vaccine have been a lie and it really is easy to tell they've been a lie. There has been no educated message, no real data, no transparency, bad interpretation of events...

If you were educated well enough you wouldn't believe any of those things and would be choosing to get vaccinated. There's been plenty of data and transparency. This has been one of the most closely scrutinized vaccine rollouts in history, by absolutely everyone that could possibly be involved. believing otherwise is just clinging to skepticism that hasn't been appropriate for ~8 months now because you don't know how to update your opinion in the face of new information.

The available data overwhelmingly supports the conclusion that the vaccine is orders of magnitude less dangerous than Covid. If you arrive at any other conclusion, it's either because you're looking at a very specific subset of data and inappropriately generalizing, or because you don't understand the data you're looking at (or, more likely, a bit of both). Period. 3.2 billion people have been fully vaccinated now. If there were significant risks associated with the vaccines, no amount of conspiracy could possibly have suppressed those reports on such a massive scale.

ganondorf77 posted...

What do you want, not vaccinated people not being able to buy food, them to have a visible symbol in their arm?

Mostly for them to continue to exercise infection control precautions until the pandemic has been resolved, including avoiding non-essential interactions with the public. They're free to make their choice, but that freedom comes with a responsibility to act according to the risks associated with that choice. If they fail to accept that responsibility, then it must be forced upon them.

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Mr. McConaughey fighting the good fight.

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Zeus posted...

I'm not sure why you think that's an argument. It's just a weird side tangent.

The point is that COVID is not actually a low cause of death for children. Children just have a low chance of dying in general so not many of them dying of COVID isn't surprising. COVID has been a relatively high cause of death for children over the past year and people should get them vaccinated not just to prevent them from spreading but to protect them as well.

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JJH777 posted...

The point is that COVID is not actually a low cause of death for children

true. vacs are more dangerous than covid for children.

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Um, I'm sorry to tell him this, but most of those kids don't get a choice about getting their shots anyway.

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ganondorf77 posted...

true. vacs are more dangerous than covid for children.

What's your basis for believing that?

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I don't believe in giving kids medicine either especially ones that aren't tested thoroughly. No one knows what's in these Covid vaccines and there's always a chance that someone could be allergic and not know that.

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BUMPED2002 posted...

No one knows what's in these Covid vaccines

lol

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BUMPED2002 posted...

I don't believe in giving kids medicine either

That's generally a terrible idea that ignores the last few centuries of advancement in health that have so dramatically improved child survival rates.

BUMPED2002 posted...

especially ones that aren't tested thoroughly.

Fortunately, every medicine that is approved for commercial sale is tested thoroughly.

BUMPED2002 posted...

No one knows what's in these Covid vaccines

Every Covid vaccine has a comprehensive ingredient list available. The only reason not to know what's in these Covid vaccines is if you've chosen to stay ignorant.

BUMPED2002 posted...

there's always a chance that someone could be allergic and not know that.

Most of the components (which, to reiterate, are comprehensively known) are present in other vaccines, so any potential allergy concerns would already have reared their heads. If not, though, the potential for allergic reactions is exactly why people are instructed to stick around for a short while after the vaccine and consult their doctor if anything particularly adverse pops up. The possibility remains that somebody will have an unexpected allergic reaction to the vaccines, but that risk is quite remote and appropriate safeguards are in place to prevent major harm in the vast majority of cases.

That, and "I could be seriously allergic to this" applies to literally every new thing anyone tries. Heck, new allergies develop all the time, so every single time you eat dinner, you're taking a gamble that you haven't developed a life-threatening allergy to any of the ingredients since the last time you had them. That ever-present risk is so remote (for those that haven't been previously identified as being extremely prone to allergies), however, that letting it interfere with one's ability to enjoy life would be ridiculous. Why, then, should it interfere with one's willingness to take a potentially life-saving treatment?

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Ozmose posted...

I'm sure people will be calling him an alt-right fascist now. It's a tough gig being an independent these days. People only perceive the world through political binary now. They can't even comprehend a middle ground. That's why I pulled a Carlin and turned my back on society years ago.

no, we're going to call him a stupid fucking dumbass bitch moron for promoting covid, of all fucking things.

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ganondorf77 posted...

No, a company can do what they want, unless it's against human rights, and it's against human right not to be hired because you are black, or gay, or with any kind of disability, or not vaccinated, ilegal then, stop it already, stop feeding that kind of discussion. What do you want, not vaccinated people not being able to buy food, them to have a visible symbol in their arm? What do you want? Split human society into 2 sides in war? Just asking the question is disgusting.

yes.

unvaccinated people, at this point, are just walking plagues that need to be excised from society.
BUMPED2002 posted...

No one knows what's in these Covid vaccines and there's always a chance that someone could be allergic and not know that.

you can go here

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html

and find full ingredient lists for each and every covid vaccine.

in fact, you can do that for every vaccine known to man, and even every single other medicine, too. no one is keeping any of that information hidden from people.

legally, they can't.

generally, the only time you can't find the ingredients of something, because they're actively being hidden, is for homeopathic shit, because it's all snake oil designed to trick you out of your money for a capsule of cinnamon that they called dragons cock root or something.

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helIy posted...

generally, the only time you can't find the ingredients of something, because they're actively being hidden, is for homeopathic s***, because it's all snake oil designed to trick you out of your money for a capsule of cinnamon that they called dragons c*** root or something.

If you're wondering, though, I do have an ingredient list for every homeopathic remedy in existence:

Water.

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helIy posted...

yes.

unvaccinated people, at this point, are just walking plagues that need to be excised from society.

If you were to replace the word unvaccinated with Jewish, it becomes very clear what side of history you would fall on.

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Ozmose posted...

If you were to replace the word unvaccinated with Jewish, it becomes very clear what side of history you would fall on.

Fortunately, he used the word "unvaccinated" and not "Jewish," making it clear that he's referring specifically to people that are voluntarily putting the world at risk by actively refusing to participate in the fight against the greatest public health crisis in a century, rather than to people that generally haven't done anything wrong (in a collective sense).

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Ozmose posted...

If you were to replace the word unvaccinated with Jewish, it becomes very clear what side of history you would fall on.

What if you replace the word with Nazi? What a stupid fuckin dumb ass strawman game.

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Ozmose posted...

First of all there were not over a million preventable deaths. About 65% of those deaths occurred before the vaccines were available.
Second, the hospitalization rate for vaccinated people is 0.1%, that jumps to a whopping 0.8% for the un-vaccinated. You're talking like unvaccinated people are dropping like flies, they're simply not.
Don't get me wrong. I'm vaccinated, and I think other people should get it too, but it's not the end of the world if they don't. That's their choice to make though, and you have no right to force them.
The fact that you immediately went to labeling people as ignorant, stupid, and fearful, for not seeing it your way only reinforces my position.

Thats what he does.

Youre absolutely right. If the hospitalisation rate in the unvaccinated were anything to worry about, everybody would be doing whatever they could to prevent that from happening. And this whole time its been a fact that this very rarely affects kids... but all of a sudden we need to pump them full of chemicals, too? Agree with Mr. McConaughey.

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HelIWithoutSin posted...

What if you replace the word with Nazi? What a stupid fuckin dumb ass strawman game.

Yeah, promoting the mass eradication of an entire group of people that have very little effect on you based solely on their beliefs. Silly me. How could I have made such a comparison.

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Ozmose posted...

Yeah, promoting the mass eradication of an entire group of people that have very little effect on you based solely on their beliefs. Silly me. How could I have made such a comparison.

Just change all the words. Silly you.

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Ozmose posted...

Yeah, promoting the mass eradication of an entire group of people that have very little effect on you based solely on their beliefs. Silly me. How could I have made such a comparison.

in this instance, i used the word "unvaccinated".

those people, as have shown in very large quantities these past few years, do have a large effect on not just me, but everyone.

your dumb as a box of rocks strawman argument of "lolol ur a nazi" is dumb as a box of rocks and is meaningless. unvaccinated people aren't a race or nation of people, it's very stupid people making a very stupid decision based off of lies because they're too fucking stupid to actually use their brain and that stupid decision very deliberately affects not just them but every single person they go near without their express consent. there is no correlation to the holocaust than can be made without massive leaps in logic that are predicated on false misinformation.

that's without getting into the fact that, for the majority of people who wont get vaccinated, they are very much akin to terrorists. not to mention that, given the political affiliation of the majority of them, they very much likely are terrorists, if january 6th, 2021 is anything to by. which it is.

tl;dr: shut the fuck up terrorist.

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zebatov posted...

Thats what he does.

Youre absolutely right. If the hospitalisation rate in the unvaccinated were anything to worry about, everybody would be doing whatever they could to prevent that from happening. And this whole time its been a fact that this very rarely affects kids... but all of a sudden we need to pump them full of chemicals, too? Agree with Mr. McConaughey.

Were you not paying attention when no more than 2 months ago when schools were starting up in earnest and hospitals were filling up just as fast with kids as they were with everyone in the summer?

zebatov posted...

Youre absolutely right. If the hospitalisation rate in the unvaccinated were anything to worry about, everybody would be doing whatever they could to prevent that from happening.

... What the hell do you call the public health policy response of the last year and a half if not "doing whatever they could to prevent that from happening"?

Ozmose posted...

Yeah, promoting the mass eradication of an entire group of people that have very little effect on you based solely on their beliefs.

But it's not based solely on their beliefs. It's based on the harm acting on those beliefs is having on the world. "It's just their beliefs!" fails to capture the fact that this is a very real issue that is killing a great many people. Choices have consequences. Vaccination (or lack thereof) is no exception.

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well only half of everybody were doing that, so that means that no one was doing anything

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helIy posted...

well only half of everybody were doing that, so that means that no one was doing anything

He has said "If this were a real pandemic, they wouldn't have to convince people to take the vaccine," so it seems he does genuinely believe that the response of the general public is a reliable metric of the gravity of the situation. It's... not the most sensible interpretation.

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If the vaccinated so rarely get hospitalized, I don't see what the point of worrying about forcing others to get vaccinated is. I got my pfizer shots about 4 months ago and never looked back. I live my life as normal again and don't concern myself with what others do. It's their choice

OhhhJa posted...

If the vaccinated so rarely get hospitalized, I don't see what the point of worrying about forcing others to get vaccinated is.

I don't know about you, but I find a certain comfort in knowing that my local hospital's ICU isn't so clogged with unvaccinated Covid patients that I can expect to die on a stretcher in the hallway if I get into a car accident. And then there's the whole caring about the psychological well-being of ICU staff that have been pushed to their breaking point for the last 18 months straight thing. And also the fact that a vaccine resistant variant (which would set the whole thing back by a solid year) is more likely to emerge the more infections there are. Not to mention the fact that the risk of hospitalization is still higher for vaccinated people than would be ideal (particularly given just how unpleasant Covid hospitalization is), such that further reducing the risk of being infected by excluding the unvaccinated is a pretty attractive prospect. In the case of children in particular, higher vaccination rates reduce the chance of schools needing to be closed due to outbreaks, which is generally better for their education and avoids the childcare challenges that are associated with any such closures. The same concern also extends to any workplace that might end up being closed due to outbreaks, whether it's one's own (impacting their personal livelihood) or just a business one happens to like. I guess there's also an element of feeling enough empathy to not want people to end up dying because they made a stupid, ill-informed decision, though the stubbornness of that stupidity and ignorance is making that increasingly difficult to hold on to.

Take your pick.

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So much conjecture adjl.

Especially since the data you are referencing is the data being used to further a cause that has very little to do with actually saving people and everything to do with controlling people.

Have you even studied the data of human history, bro?

adjl posted...

I don't know about you, but I find a certain comfort in knowing that my local hospital's ICU isn't so clogged with unvaccinated Covid patients that I can expect to die on a stretcher in the hallway if I get into a car accident. And then there's the whole caring about the psychological well-being of ICU staff that have been pushed to their breaking point for the last 18 months straight thing.

None of this seems to be an issue where I'm at. But yeah, I know some hospitals have laid a ton of people off and are now firing their staff because they're unvaccinated

adjl posted...

And also the fact that a vaccine resistant variant (which would set the whole thing back by a solid year) is more likely to emerge the more infections there are.

Funny how the variant seemed to pop up as soon as people started getting vaccinated

adjl posted...

I guess there's also an element of feeling enough empathy to not want people to end up dying because they made a stupid, ill-informed decision, though the stubbornness of that stupidity and ignorance is making that increasingly difficult to hold on to.

Yeah I don't care what others do. If someone wants to make a decision that causes themselves harm that's on them. I don't go around telling people they're not allowed to smoke cigarettes

BEERandWEED posted...

data being used to further a cause that has very little to do with actually saving people and everything to do with controlling people.

Microchips! Baby eaters! Wake up, sheeple!

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BEERandWEED posted...

So much conjecture adjl.

If you have reason to disagree with any of those risks, you're welcome to share it.

BEERandWEED posted...

Especially since the data you are referencing is the data being used to further a cause that has very little to do with actually saving people and everything to do with controlling people.

I referenced no data. You're babbling again.

OhhhJa posted...

None of this seems to be an issue where I'm at.

Nor here, thankfully. There are far too many regions, however, where that is the case, and I'm all for doing whatever I can (and convincing as many people as possible to join me) to avoid it.

OhhhJa posted...

But yeah, I know some hospitals have laid a ton of people off and are now firing their staff because they're unvaccinated

When feasible, yes. Firing health care staff for failing to keep up with their vaccinations is fairly common practice. Employing liabilities is rarely a good idea.

OhhhJa posted...

Funny how the variant seemed to pop up as soon as people started getting vaccinated

Identifying Delta as a vaccine-resistant variant did indeed require a large population of vaccinated people, yes. That is how data works. That's also how selection works: Introduce a selective pressure, and strains that are selected against more weakly will become dominant within the population. If a more-resistant strain emerges, it can be expected that it will supplant Delta in pretty short order for exactly that reason.

OhhhJa posted...

Yeah I don't care what others do. If someone wants to make a decision that causes themselves harm that's on them. I don't go around telling people they're not allowed to smoke cigarettes

The key difference is that everyone knows smoking is an unimaginably stupid idea. They just don't care. The people not getting vaccinated, however, are avoiding it because they don't understand it. There have been far, far too many stories of people regretting their decision to avoid the vaccine on their deathbeds, when it's too late to do anything with their newfound understanding of the risks involved. That's tragic, so I'd prefer to try to prevent that as much as possible by informing them, correcting misconceptions, and occasionally telling them that they're falling prey to stupid conspiracy theories and need to wake up.

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helIy posted...

that's without getting into the fact that, for the majority of people who wont get vaccinated, they are very much akin to terrorists. not to mention that, given the political affiliation of the majority of them, they very much likely are terrorists, if january 6th, 2021 is anything to by. which it is.

Wow, someone really drank the Kool-Aid. You genuinely seem to have a visceral hatred for a bunch of people you never met. It's funny, that's the kind of attitude that's gonna push us into another civil war. Talk about fighting against your own interests. I have a feeling you're not exactly the kind of person that would fare well in combat.

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