Current Events > Harvard reserves Macbeth for black identifying audience members

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This always smacks to me of a certain people demanding access to every space at every time.

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Dathrowed1 posted...

Only one person raised an eyebrow at "black identifying"?

Do you not know what that means, or do you just think it sounds funny?

I'm not sure what they specifically mean but that but I imagine the term can apply to mixed race people

And the topic title is soooooo misleading

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CyricZ posted...

This always smacks to me of a certain people demanding access to every space at every time.

If I can't see it this one specific showing in a 3 week run, its legally discrimination and they should be shut down and fined

Because by not being able to see that one specific showing in a 3 week run, i am missing out and being treated unfairly, so in the eyes of the law I'm right you're wrong nananana

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"It is racism that I have access to 95% of occurrences of something and not 100%"

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DuranOfForcena posted...

yeah, it's racism, but i don't really care lololol"

I didn't say that. I said "discrimination". You're letting white fragility command you, knock that off. It is discriminatory according to dictionary definition. I am discussing this from a legality standpoint, and that's where I'm unconvinced.

Racism isn't "treating races differently"

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Guess this topic is for white ppl lol

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SapphicBoy posted...

Cope

I mean, sure it's the dictionary definition of discriminatory. But I don't see how it is legally such. And I can't find any law explicitly stating such either

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

DuranOfForcena posted...

just don't tell white people that they can't see it.

That would be hilarious LOL. Like, the tagline of every movie is "white people can't see this".

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DuranOfForcena posted...

discrimination
/dskrimnSH()n/

the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex.

same thing in this context

To be specific, I was acknowledging that black people and other ethnicities we're being treated differently that night. I disagree that this fits the definition you posted

DuranOfForcena posted...

no, i'm letting objective rationality command me

Don't be absurd. Now who's mind is made up?

DuranOfForcena posted...

you are the only one doing so, no one ITT is arguing that anything about this is illegal

edit: okay i guess there are posters arguing it goes against the Civil Rights Act of 1964. which, to be clear, it definitely does, but i don't think anyone is arguing that the people putting on the play should face criminal consequences or anything.

In that case, this is discrimination I am fine with, as its 1 night in 3 weeks, and it's out of respect and empowerment for a group that historically has had neither of those

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DuranOfForcena posted...

no, i'm letting objective rationality command me

Well maybe put him on mute and ring up "empathy" for a bit.

Honestly too many people (mostly online) treat "rationality" as the ultimate life form state.

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Yikes

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DuranOfForcena posted...

but wouldn't you agree that it would be much more empowering and respectful (without having to resort to discrimination to boot) to have part of the proceeds of the ticket sales go toward donating to the NAACP or a similar charitable organization and have the venue be open to all who want to contribute toward that, instead of just saying "white people can't come"? what does that even accomplish? nothing, that's what.

As a white person, I'm not usually in the habit of telling black people what's best for them.

EDIT: And if your question is "What value could black people possibly find in a space/time without white people", then you might want to actually ask a black person this question.

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DuranOfForcena posted...

but wouldn't you agree that it would be much more empowering and respectful (without having to resort to discrimination to boot) to have part of the proceeds of the ticket sales go toward donating to the NAACP or a similar charitable organization and have the venue be open to all who want to contribute toward that, instead of just saying "white people can't come"? what does that even accomplish? nothing, that's what.

It's not my place to say. Im not black. I haven't lived the black experience. I don't know what it's like to be black in this country

Also, can you cite the statute in the Civil Rights Act this specifically violates?

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CyricZ posted...

Well maybe put him on mute and ring up "empathy" for a bit.

Honestly too many people (mostly online) treat "rationality" as the ultimate life form state.

Whenever people talk about how much they are being rational, and not letting themselves be guided by emotions, I can't help but think of Edgar Allan Poe's The Tell-Tale Heart.

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Wonder what his opinion is of Black History Month...

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Again. I am not saying this is racism. And discrimination isn't interchangeable with racism.

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Oh

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DuranOfForcena posted...

well, one side of this argument is saying "yeah, this is racism, but i don't care", while the other side is saying "this is racism, period". which one would you say is rational and which one would you say is not rational?

Well, the former is being honest about their emotional involvement, while the latter is not. I'd say that makes the former more cognizant.

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DuranOfForcena posted...

incorrect

So then is this some of that rational objectivity?

DuranOfForcena posted...

yeah i don't really give a fuck what mental gymnastics you want to employ so you can handwave away your cognitive dissonance

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Black people doing Macbeth. Who gives a shit?

DuranOfForcena posted...

uh, yes

I see

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DuranOfForcena posted...

incorrect

Literally LOLed.

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Giving preferential treatment to one race over the others is racism. It doesn't matter if they are only letting in whites, blacks, hispanics, asians or any other race.

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SapphicBoy posted...

Also, can you cite the statute in the Civil Rights Act this specifically violates?

FYI the article actually specifically answers this question:

Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 forbids all institutions receiving federal financial assistance, whether public or private, from discriminating on the ground of race, color, or national origin. Colleges and universities like Harvard that accept payments from students who receive federal financial aid are covered by Title VI. Massachusetts law also bars discrimination based on race in places of public accommodation, defined as any place . . . which is open to and accepts or solicits the patronage of the general public. This includes performance spaces such as theaters.

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And what I'm unconvinced of is that it's discrimination if everyone still has the opportunity to attend

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Ah yes, the Civil Rights Act, known for being the end of racism

I'll try to stop posting itt

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What a mess of a topic
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Jesus, time to educate the ignorance of CE again.

#1 its not discrimination because. Its an optional showing and any race can see the show at any time other than this one night. No one is saying "Black people can only see the show on one night"

#2 Black identifying means Mixed Race, Afro Latinos, Afro Europeans, etc, etc. Who have black skin but have varying cultures. I know you guys like to put black-skinned people in a box but we ain't all the same lol.

#3. Macbeth sucks.

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DuranOfForcena posted...

yeah but it's okay because they don't care lolololol

More rational objectivity?

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DuranOfForcena posted...

why do you keep posting this like you think anything i'm saying is some kind of gotcha?

Because you're fragility posting and not being rational or objective at all

DuranOfForcena posted...

you have been shown the exact statute of the Civil Rights Act that this is in violation of and categorizes it as unlawful discrimination

Right, I don't think this scenario fits what was posted

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*looks down* Sorry, helping people like you up would be racist. Good luck friend.

DuranOfForcena posted...

yes it is, by every definition and sense of the word

Not in a prejudicial sense but if you're going for the literal definition of seeing the difference in things sure.

It seems like you're trying to make this a bigger deal than it is honestly. Do you cry when womens self-defense classes only allow women?

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CapnMuffin posted...

*looks down* Sorry, helping people like you up would be racist. Good luck friend.

Aka equality vs equity

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SapphicBoy posted...

And what I'm unconvinced of is that it's discrimination if everyone still has the opportunity to attend

Let's follow the trajectory:
SapphicBoy posted...

I remain unconvinced that an all black attending audience for one night in a 3 week run is discriminatory

SapphicBoy posted...

I mean, sure it's the dictionary definition of discriminatory. But I don't see how it is legally such. And I can't find any law explicitly stating such either

SapphicBoy posted...

Also, can you cite the statute in the Civil Rights Act this specifically violates?

And what I'm unconvinced of is that it's discrimination if everyone still has the opportunity to attend

First you were unconvinced that it was discrimination at all. Then you were unconvinced that even though it is discrimination it wasn't specifically against the law. Now you're unconvinced again if it's discrimination even though you've already agreed that it is by definition discrimination and also as proven specifically against the law.

Honestly, just stick with your earlier post where you said that it was discrimination you are okay with. That's a much more tenable position because it's what you actually believe rather than this infinite circular logic of being unconvinced because you don't want to acknowledge it.

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s0nicfan posted...

First you were unconvinced that it was discrimination at all.

Legally, which is where I'm still at yeah

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DuranOfForcena posted...

how does anything about this help anyone up? it doesn't

CyricZ posted...

if your question is "What value could black people possibly find in a space/time without white people", then you might want to actually ask a black person this question.

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