Poll of the Day > Eternals at 63% on Rotten Tomatoes right now

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Superhero fatigue, or is it just a mediocre film?

Apparently it's very long and very heavy on exposition.

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I don't even know what that is :0

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Blightzkrieg posted...

Apparently it's very long and very heavy on exposition.

This doesn't surprise me. It seems to be trying to introduce a whole lot of very big concepts all at once, which is nifty for worldbuilding, but lore dumps can be a bit of a slog if taken on their own.

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63% is decent

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I'll see it, just not in theaters...

And I called this months ago...

Blightzkrieg posted...

Superhero fatigue, or is it just a mediocre film?

Probably a little of both.
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It's already on track to gross over $110 mil for the opening weekend so mediocre reviews don't mean much since the majority prefer audience score over the opinions of snob critics

Once word of mouth goes around it'll be interesting to see what happens past opening weekend

It also helps that it doesn't have much competition until Ghostbusters too

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If I never see another marvel film again I'm perfectly OK with that.

captainjeff87 posted...

It's already on track to gross over $110 mil for the opening weekend so mediocre reviews don't mean much since the majority prefer audience score over the opinions of snob critics

Once word of mouth goes around it'll be interesting to see what happens past opening weekend

First weekend doesn't mean much. People will see terrible movies on hype alone.

The real question is how much drop-off happens each day, and going into the second weekend. That gives a much better feel for how much negative reviews from actual people (as opposed to critics) are deterring people from going to see something. Some really bad movies have dropped as much as 50% per day first weekend and 80% week-to-week.

It's also worth keeping in mind that, at the moment, we're only talking global/international rather than domestic take, because it hasn't actually been released in the US yet. The real measure of success is going to be how well it does in the US. Especially since it seems like it's going to have trouble making any money in China (the only other place that matters to studios).

For reference, current projections estimate it isn't going to make much more than $400 million total (US + International), which would be considered "breaking even" because of how Hollywood tends to do the math for film production and marketing costs. And when compared to other Marvel movies Disney might actually see it as a failure.
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Blightzkrieg posted...

Superhero fatigue, or is it just a mediocre film?

Some column A, some column B, and a little "No one knows or cares who this is."

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knightoffire55 bet me another tinder babe that ghostbusters is going to do better than eternals and i think i might lose that bet

I'll go see it in cinema's but only because I'm an AMC+ member and get to see it for "free"

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I want to see it just because it has the badass big dude from Train To Busan.
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lihlih posted...

I want to see it just because it has the badass big dude from Train To Busan.

I think he's kind of famous in Korean cinema for being a big badass dude

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I haven't cared about the MCU since Endgame.

Blightzkrieg posted...

I think he's kind of famous in Korean cinema for being a big badass dude

Yeah, he's been in some really good Korean movies. Even in bad movies, he kind of shines and makes the movie worth watching just for him.
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TheDurinator posted...

I haven't cared about the MCU since Endgame.

You still have the option to not care about it

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Does anyone even remember The Eternals? I was pretty heavy into Marvel Comics at one point and this is the first I'm hearing of them.

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Hadn't even heard about it at all. I've been watching the Marvel movies with a friend, but I don't live in town right now. I'll get back to that once I'm done school. I got up to somewhere around Dr. Strange/Thor 3.

A lot of them were straightforward snoozefests but there have been a few real standouts. Still been fun.

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Eternals is now at 59%, making it the first rotten MCU film.

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Damn thats a bummer

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adjl posted...

It seems to be trying to introduce a whole lot of very big concepts all at once, which is nifty for worldbuilding, but lore dumps can be a bit of a slog if taken on their own.

As much as I enjoyed the 1984 Dune by David Lynch, I think it had similar results because it was overwhelming in terms of lore and background information.

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I'll read a summary. I mean FFS they just had the Shang Chi movie come out, I can't be watching all these damn things with no break inbetween

56%, I didn't think for a moment it would get that low when I made this topic wow

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How is over 50% rotten. That means flip a coin and you might like it 50/50 odds if it is at 50%.

Nanaue posted...

How is over 50% rotten? That means flip a coin and you might like it 50/50 odds if it is at 50%.

I mean it just means if they liked it or not. Not how much they liked it. IMDb is better in that aggregate. You could watch eternals and be one of the 50% who liked it and really like it like 9/10.
where as someone could be one of the 98% that likes something and only think its good 7/10.

do you feel like eating some food that is 51% fresh?

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Mead posted...

do you feel like eating some food that is 51% fresh?

It just means over 50% of the people liked it and not how much they liked it.

I would rather watch something I had a 50% chance of loving than something I had a 98% chance of only liking. IMDb > rotten tomatoes

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Does anyone even remember The Eternals? I was pretty heavy into Marvel Comics at one point and this is the first I'm hearing of them.

I do, though I was never hugely into it.

I was aware of it because their second mini-series came out in 1986, which was right around the time I was getting heavily into comics.

http://www.supermegamonkey.net/chronocomic/entries/eternals_1-12.shtml

And then afterwards, they started integrating some of the characters into other books. Gilgamesh/The Forgotten One joined the Avengers, then he left and Sersi joined, Makkari started hanging out with Quasar, the Deviants (or at least Ghaur) became major villains in the Atlantis Attacks storyline, etc.

The Eternals were basically one in a long line of titles that Jack Kirby kept making because he had big ideas but seemingly never managed to successfully get them across. It started with a lot of the Tales of Asgard stories in Thor, then when he left Marvel he basically went and did a newer version of the same ideas with the New Gods at DC (which is where Darkseid and Apokolips came from), and then he got pissed at DC and went back to Marvel and basically did the same sort of idea again as The Eternals.

Marvel mostly adopted the core ideas of the series and integrated them into the entire universe as an excuse to explain away bad science. Why do so many Marvel heroes get super powers from radiation instead of just contracting cancer the way people do in the real world? Yeah, umm, the Celestials experiments on humans a million years ago, and the extra genes they added cause super powers. It's also why mutants are a thing. Problem solved!

The actual Eternals themselves haven't been around for years, though, because they're kind of lame.



InfestedAdam posted...

As much as I enjoyed the 1984 Dune by David Lynch, I think it had similar results because it was overwhelming in terms of lore and background information.

They actually had to hand out pamphlets in movie theaters explaining some of the concepts, so you could keep track of stuff while you watched.

If a movie gives you homework, something has gone wrong somewhere.



Nanaue posted...

How is over 50% rotten? That means flip a coin and you might like it 50/50 odds if it is at 50%.

For the same reason why 51% is a failing grade in every reputable school.
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I haven't given a crap about the MCU for years.

I personally can't stand how safe and formulaic they are.

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Nanaue posted...

It just means over 50% of the people liked it and not how much they liked it.

I would rather watch something I had a 50% chance of loving than something I had a 98% chance of only liking. IMDb > rotten tomatoes

you did not answer what I asked you

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ParanoidObsessive posted...

I do, though I was never hugely into it.

I was aware of it because their second mini-series came out in 1986, which was right around the time I was getting heavily into comics.

http://www.supermegamonkey.net/chronocomic/entries/eternals_1-12.shtml

And then afterwards, they started integrating some of the characters into other books. Gilgamesh/The Forgotten One joined the Avengers, then he left and Sersi joined, Makkari started hanging out with Quasar, the Deviants (or at least Ghaur) became major villains in the Atlantis Attacks storyline, etc.

The Eternals were basically one in a long line of titles that Jack Kirby kept making because he had big ideas but seemingly never managed to successfully get them across. It started with a lot of the Tales of Asgard stories in Thor, then when he left Marvel he basically went and did a newer version of the same ideas with the New Gods at DC (which is where Darkseid and Apokolips came from), and then he got pissed at DC and went back to Marvel and basically did the same sort of idea again as The Eternals.

Marvel mostly adopted the core ideas of the series and integrated them into the entire universe as an excuse to explain away bad science. Why do so many Marvel heroes get super powers from radiation instead of just contracting cancer the way people do in the real world? Yeah, umm, the Celestials experiments on humans a million years ago, and the extra genes they added cause super powers. It's also why mutants are a thing. Problem solved!

The actual Eternals themselves haven't been around for years, though, because they're kind of lame.

They actually had to hand out pamphlets in movie theaters explaining some of the concepts, so you could keep track of stuff while you watched.

If a movie gives you homework, something has gone wrong somewhere.

For the same reason why 51% is a failing grade in every reputable school.

You are misreading rotten tomatoes kid. With a test it is an aggregate of correct answers.

Rotten tomatoes people could all give something a 6/10 but it could have a percent on rotten tomatoes because it just measures if someone liked something not how much.
I dont really trust rotten tomatoes as much as IMDb for this reason.

Mead posted...

you did not answer what I asked you

I would eat something given a. 50% rating of people liking it if I think I will really like it.

Nanaue posted...

I would eat something given a. 50% rating of people liking it if I think I will really like it.

you only know the percentage, you cant see the food

you have thirty seconds before you starve to death

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Blightzkrieg posted...

Superhero fatigue, or is it just a mediocre film?

Apparently it's very long and very heavy on exposition.

Could be. Naturally there was going to be a drop off after endgame and trying to build a new arc with what is left.

My take on it based on how I feel is that there isn't really any clear direction we're going in to keep me interested in everything. So far everything has been an epilogue to endgame. There's nothing really to tie anything together anymore and that puts all the new stuff like this out on its own to flounder kind of the way DC did.

InfestedAdam posted...

As much as I enjoyed the 1984 Dune by David Lynch, I think it had similar results because it was overwhelming in terms of lore and background information.

That's kind of how I feel about the Souls series' approach to story. There's a lot of really interesting lore in that universe, but it's all dumped on you pretty haphazardly and with little explanation of key concepts, so it's hard to follow in the course of playing the game. It's well worth digging into, but the actual experience of playing tends to just be "go here and kill this because plot that you'll look up later." A lot of people like that it doesn't bombard the player with cutscenes that spell everything out, and I think that's valid (especially for a game with so much replay value, where story cutscenes just become annoying after seeing them so many times), but I think I would prefer just a little more explicit exposition overall.

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I am actually shocked. The Eternals is another attempt at virtue signal and promote failed concepts such as diversity for the sake of diversity and it only got 56%.

Usually, those kind of movies, despite being god awful dumpster fires in most cases, get higher ratings based on... the usual groups of useless critics.

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The_tall_midget posted...

virtue signal

Tell me more

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We are now below 50%.

The audience rating is really high but idk if that's due to review bombing or not.

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So, I was going to go with my co-worker. But his wife said that she wants to see it and he had to take her on a date to see it instead of us going on a date to see it So, I still might see it or something.
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The_tall_midget posted...

the usual groups of useless critics

You mean the ones who use movies and other forms of entertainment in order to push their own social agenda.
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EclairReturns posted...

You mean the ones who use movies and other forms of entertainment in order to push their own social agenda.

yep and that happens from all sides

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Blightzkrieg posted...

We are now below 50%.

The audience rating is really high but idk if that's due to review bombing or not.

reminds me of the rise of skywalker RT scores

i wonder if Disney paid them again

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DirtBasedSoap posted...

reminds me of the rise of skywalker RT scores

i wonder if Disney paid them again

paid the audience?

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Remember when Captain Marvel came out and people swore up and down that Disney was buying up theatre tickets to inflate the box office numbers lol

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Blightzkrieg posted...

Superhero fatigue, or is it just a mediocre film?

Mostly the latter. Well mediocre for marvel's standards anyway. With all the hype the new spiderman movie's getting I don't really see fatigue being the problem. After infinity war everybody knew we were gonna start getting a few "bad" movies here and there

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EclairReturns posted...

You mean the ones who use movies and other forms of entertainment in order to push their own social agenda.

Basically.

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I saw a comment that Eternals is basically "if Marvel made a bad DC movie" and after seeing it that is definitely the best one sentence explanation of it.

The jokes are flat. The characterization is bad. The characters are all immortal gods and humans are a total afterthought. Everything important is just explained at length through long boring dialogue rather than shown.

I laughed exactly three times in the whole movie: the man getting eaten 5 minutes in, a "domo arigato" joke I made to my wife, and when one of the Eternals gets hit in the head with a rock. Nothing any character said at any point made me even chuckle slightly.

I considered walking out a little more than an hour in but just slogged it out because I was tired. Eternals is absolutely a bad movie. I could imagine some people out there finding something of value in watching it but it's telling that most of the "Fresh" reviews on Rotten Tomatoes start off with "It's not great but it's not as bad as everyone is saying. Come onnn"