Poll of the Day > 468,000 US Military will be DISHONOURABLY DISCHARGED for REFUSING the VACCINE!!!

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Full Throttle
10/28/21 12:36:41 AM
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Are you okay with ditching these anti-vaxxers from the us military?


Only 68% of the United States Military is fully vaccinated against COVID-19 with 468,000 of them of the 1.46 million total employees weren't vaccinated and have REFUSED to do so as they have one month on November 28 to do it or face the AXE!!

Pentagon spokesman John Kirby said 82% of the total force has had one jab meaning 263,200 members are refusing to do so

The figures are more promising for the active-duty force where 97% are vaccinated while 87% of that have 2 doses.

Active duty troops must be fully inoculated by December 15 while Reserve and National Guard Employees have until June 30, 2022 to get it

Kirby said there's little resistance to the vaccine and said they understand that this is an important program and are participating in it

383,560 cases have been detected in the military with 578 related deaths

Before the mandate vaccines were optional as Gen. R Scott Dingle said they were a necessary to protect the force and said this was literally life and death for their solders, families and communities

Soldiers who refuse and without a legitimate exemption will be DISHONOURABLY DISCHARGED meaning they lose all their benefits they accumulated

Are you okay with ditching these anti-vaxxers?

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LinkPizza
10/28/21 12:44:53 AM
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A ton are going for the religious exemption
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BlackScythe0
10/28/21 12:48:01 AM
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LinkPizza posted...
A ton are going for the religious exemption

I keep hearing about people going for religious exemptions, but I haven't heard any results regarding that yet. Are people actually receiving exemptions? (because obvious the exemptions are bull shit)
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LinkPizza
10/28/21 12:50:21 AM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
I keep hearing about people going for religious exemptions, but I haven't heard any results regarding that yet. Are people actually receiving exemptions? (because obvious the exemptions are bull shit)

I think a bunch on my base got it (or are in the process of getting it). But not all of them did
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Lokarin
10/28/21 12:53:12 AM
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What's in the covid vaccine that a religion would object to that isn't in the thousands of previous vaccines they have gotten?

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LinkPizza
10/28/21 12:55:20 AM
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Lokarin posted...
What's in the covid vaccine that a religion would object to that isn't in the thousands of previous vaccines they have gotten?

Idk They have a bunch of random reasons. Some are saying they dont know whats in it, while others want to know the long term effects, while some are saying they found out certain things in it (but I have no idea what) Its honestly just a mess
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Adam_Savage
10/28/21 12:59:33 AM
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BlackScythe0 posted...


I keep hearing about people going for religious exemptions, but I haven't heard any results regarding that yet. Are people actually receiving exemptions? (because obvious the exemptions are bull shit)

only people who can actually verify that their religion doesn't like vaccines are, which is just a fraction of the people who are trying to claim religious exemption

believe it or not, but christianity has always been pro-vaccines, and the majority of people claiming this exemption claim to be christians
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BlackScythe0
10/28/21 1:01:52 AM
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Adam_Savage posted...
only people who can actually verify that their religion doesn't like vaccines are, which is just a fraction of the people who are trying to claim religious exemption

believe it or not, but christianity has always been pro-vaccines, and the majority of people claiming this exemption claim to be christians

That was my understanding. I know there are sects of Christianity that don't allow blood transfusions and stuff, but most had no such objections and that there are people trying to bizarrely claim the only exemption they can think of despite having had no objections prior.
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party_animal07
10/28/21 1:05:35 AM
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Don't you have to get a bunch of shots during service anyway?

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LinkPizza
10/28/21 1:06:53 AM
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party_animal07 posted...
Don't you have to get a bunch of shots during service anyway?

Yep. You go through a gauntlet of them in basic. And if your first base is overseas, you get some more at the end of tech school
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LinkPizza
10/28/21 1:28:24 AM
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I also heard that the wings get to decide what kind of discharge they actually get, and it may not be be dishonorable. And even if it is, you can apparently get that changed after a while, so
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DragonClaw01
10/28/21 1:30:44 AM
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Lokarin posted...
What's in the covid vaccine that a religion would object to that isn't in the thousands of previous vaccines they have gotten?
Nothing. The main objection seems to be that the drug manufactures use fetal cells lines to test the vaccine, but that is SOP for pretty much everything now a days. To be logically consistent you would have to swear off nearly every drug if this was an issue for you. The reality is that they are afraid of the vaccine and just don't want to take it, not that they are opposed to it on religious grounds.

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Lokarin
10/28/21 1:31:41 AM
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DragonClaw01 posted...
The main objection seems to be that the drug manufactures use fetal cells lines to test the vaccine,

same as a ton of other vaccines and tylenol, and most makeup brands... and breakfast cereal

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DragonClaw01
10/28/21 1:44:06 AM
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Lokarin posted...
same as a ton of other vaccines and tylenol, and most makeup brands... and breakfast cereal
It's not a great argument, but this is coming from the people that think the Covid vaccine is too experimental, so it is better to take a hodge podge of experimental or poorly proven drugs such as Ivermectin & Hydroxychloroquine to treat Covid instead. It just comes down to the fact that they are afraid of the vaccine as said before and the religious exemption gives them an easy out, compared to actually having to explain the real reasons why they object to the vaccine.

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Lokarin
10/28/21 1:46:23 AM
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DragonClaw01 posted...
It's not a great argument, but this is coming from the people that think the Covid vaccine is too experimental, so it is better to take a hodge podge of experimental or poorly proven drugs such as Ivermectin & Hydroxychloroquine to treat Covid instead. It just comes down to the fact that they are afraid of the vaccine as said before

Yaknow, way-way back in March (time not to scale) I would have accepted "too experimental" as an excuse... I disagree, but I would have accepted it; However, we now have months of added data so it's no longer "too experimental"... the FDA pushed the limit, and was lucky to succeed, so there's no excuse now.

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LinkPizza
10/28/21 2:20:01 AM
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Lokarin posted...
Yaknow, way-way back in March (time not to scale) I would have accepted "too experimental" as an excuse... I disagree, but I would have accepted it; However, we now have months of added data so it's no longer "too experimental"... the FDA pushed the limit, and was lucky to succeed, so there's no excuse now.

Now they use the We dont know the long term effects excuse
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NeoSioType
10/28/21 2:48:36 AM
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I heard something about an experimental anthrax vaccine soldiers had to take that was controversial. Don't know much about it tough.
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LinkPizza
10/28/21 2:56:31 AM
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NeoSioType posted...
I heard something about an experimental anthrax vaccine soldiers had to take that was controversial. Don't know much about it tough.

Yeah. The ones who were trying to get exempt kept talking about it, as well
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adjl
10/28/21 6:08:49 AM
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LinkPizza posted...
A ton are going for the religious exemption

Because nothing could be more American than only caring about religion when it works as an excuse to get out of doing the right thing.

DragonClaw01 posted...
The main objection seems to be that the drug manufactures use fetal cells lines to test the vaccine, but that is SOP for pretty much everything now a days. To be logically consistent you would have to swear off nearly every drug if this was an issue for you.

Indeed. Specifically, it's a cell line from *one* aborted fetus from the 50's (who was aborted because the mother didn't want the pregnancy, not specifically for the sake of harvesting the cells) which has since been used in developing countless drugs and other products. That cell line can be credited with saving literally billions of lives, so while the ethics of using it in the first place were somewhat questionable, enough good has come from that decision that I feel morally at peace with the issue.

Plus, as you say, it's in bloody everything. It's been raised by anti-vaxxers as something wrong with the Covid vaccine specifically because they're desperate to find anything to discredit it, but I can all but guarantee that everyone leaning on that excuse has happily consumed other products using that cell line, likely without even looking past this month.

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MagicalPrincess
10/28/21 7:00:55 AM
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It's completely unconstitutional and illegal to force anyone to put something in their body against their will.

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SinisterSlay
10/28/21 7:10:18 AM
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Does this count as refusing an order?

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10/28/21 7:13:32 AM
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MagicalPrincess posted...
It's completely unconstitutional and illegal to force anyone to put something in their body against their will.
I don't know if you've noticed, but soldiers are generally forced to expose themselves to the risk of violent death or injury. And if they won't obey orders to do so, they don't serve. If they won't even obey orders that don't expose them to those risks, chuck 'em out.

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hockey7318
10/28/21 7:26:27 AM
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MagicalPrincess posted...
It's completely unconstitutional and illegal to force anyone to put something in their body against their will.
Which is why they aren't being forced. They just don't get to be soldiers anymore. Also, like Link said, they go through a gauntlet of vaccines at the very beginning of their careers and have no say in that either. It's a requirement of their employment.
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Gaawa_chan
10/28/21 8:47:50 AM
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MagicalPrincess posted...
It's completely unconstitutional and illegal to force anyone to put something in their body against their will.
Ah, that's why soldiers don't have any requirements for that at al- oh, wait. Wait, you're full of shit. Whoops. Who would have thought that jobs have requirements?

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Cacciato
10/28/21 8:50:21 AM
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MagicalPrincess posted...
It's completely unconstitutional and illegal to force anyone to put something in their body against their will.
what does constitutionality have to do with the military?

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St_Kevin
10/28/21 9:04:22 AM
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And with China gearing up to invade Taiwan

2022 the fun continues

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Lokarin
10/28/21 9:20:25 AM
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St_Kevin posted...
And with China gearing up to invade Taiwan

2022 the fun continues

Ahh, a Civil War :b

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LinkPizza
10/28/21 9:59:08 AM
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MagicalPrincess posted...
It's completely unconstitutional and illegal to force anyone to put something in their body against their will.

They arent forcing them. They are telling them what to do. And if they dont want to, they lose their job. But they arent forcing them to

SinisterSlay posted...
Does this count as refusing an order?

Yep
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papercup
10/28/21 10:09:42 AM
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Oh so the average IQ of the military is increasing all at once?

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adjl
10/28/21 10:40:57 AM
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MagicalPrincess posted...
It's completely unconstitutional and illegal to force anyone to put something in their body against their will.

The fundamental purpose of the military is to forcibly put bullets into people's bodies against their will. If they're going to take issue with that concept, the effects of doing so will reach a whole lot further than a vaccine.

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Cacciato
10/28/21 11:02:28 AM
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adjl posted...
The fundamental purpose of the military is to forcibly put bullets into people's bodies against their will. If they're going to take issue with that concept, the effects of doing so will reach a whole lot further than a vaccine.
That whole Article 1, section 8, clause 14 of the constitution kinda overrides their argument of constitutionality anyway.
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Tolagard
10/28/21 11:11:41 AM
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MagicalPrincess posted...
It's completely unconstitutional and illegal to force anyone to put something in their body against their will.

This we can not just lose 1/3 of the military this is a big mistake.
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Jen0125
10/28/21 11:41:38 AM
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Good riddance to bad rubbish.

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blackweasel30
10/28/21 11:47:16 AM
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Pretty sure it came out that this isnt happening.

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Cacciato
10/28/21 3:23:26 PM
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blackweasel30 posted...
Pretty sure it came out that this isnt happening.
Depends which branch. The last one I saw was the Marine Corps which released a MARADMIN that basically said get fucked, and youre paying back money if we decide you owe it.

https://taskandpurpose.com/news/marine-corps-covid-vaccine-refuse-consequences/?fbclid=IwAR07XVKr4U9slyddMvNzE44X6vOfLpLisR_pjHJlEpPpdqtqY9Lzqi-mWOE
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Arcturusisnow
10/28/21 3:30:40 PM
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MagicalPrincess posted...
It's completely unconstitutional and illegal to force anyone to put something in their body against their will.
MMR, now kindly shut the hell up.
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Arcturusisnow
10/28/21 3:33:19 PM
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Tolagard posted...
This we can not just lose 1/3 of the military this is a big mistake.
Actually we can and should. If we have to be taken over by a foreign power to get the rich to stop controlling the government then I'm all for it. Besides, if they don't like it they can go live somewhere else. Oh shit, I forgot just about every country besides is pushing vaccine mandates way harder.
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LinkPizza
10/28/21 3:50:33 PM
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blackweasel30 posted...
Pretty sure it came out that this isnt happening.

Depends on which part youre talking about. It wont be dishonorable discharge. But they will be getting rid of people without the shot
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MartianManchild
10/28/21 3:57:59 PM
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Arcturusisnow posted...
Actually we can and should. If we have to be taken over by a foreign power to get the rich to stop controlling the government then I'm all for it. Besides, if they don't like it they can go live somewhere else. Oh shit, I forgot just about every country besides is pushing vaccine mandates way harder.
This has to be one of the most uneducated and foolish takes I have ever seen on any subject. Wow. Yeah lets be taken over by a foreign power to stop the rich. Lmfao. How fucking uneducated and shortsighted.
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Cacciato
10/28/21 4:24:53 PM
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MartianManchild posted...
This has to be one of the most uneducated and foolish takes I have ever seen on any subject. Wow. Yeah lets be taken over by a foreign power to stop the rich. Lmfao. How fucking uneducated and shortsighted.
And thats really saying something coming from you.
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RosiePowers
10/29/21 12:10:32 AM
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I don't get it. As a marine you have to get inoculated for literally everything so why isn't this just lumped into the batch automatically?
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GGuirao13
10/29/21 4:02:17 AM
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RosiePowers posted...
I don't get it. As a marine you have to get inoculated for literally everything so why isn't this just lumped into the batch automatically?
Exactly. The problem is that everything about the virus has become so politicized thanks to the right.

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