Poll of the Day > Post MAGA Alert: Trump to start his own Social Media Network...

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/former-president-donald-trump-launching-his-own-social-media-platform-truth-social/vi-AAPNhre

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-plans-regain-social-media-084522278.html?utm_source=spotim&utm_medium=spotim_recirculation

Truth Social

Will you join it? (Poll Question)

Yes and within two hours of launch apparantly people set up accounts to spoof trump and impoersonate him.
their security is gonna be so lackluster you might as well give your personal info to a grinning thief.

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Conner wastes no time telling us what he's going to do to so many old people in this country...

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Ganbare Donald-san:
https://twitter.com/stevanzetti/status/1451030745263263745

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I guarantee you everyone who signed up is now on a watch list.

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As soon as you post there:

While the principle in *theory* isn't bad, any conservative-welcoming social media platform will be attacked by the government and far-left extremist groups. For instance, simply creating a Parler profile -- without taking into account any behavior on the platform itself -- has been enough to get people fired and blacklisted. Governments have been looking for any pretext, no matter how flimsy, to control or shut down social media platforms, or to subvert their use for the government's agenda.

As nice as it is to imagine that the internet is still some free space, that hasn't been the truth in a while.

papercup posted...

I guarantee you everyone who signed up is now on a watch list.

tbh, the US has definitely skewed towards totalitarianism lately, although I suppose it was to be expected from electing the VP of the guy who defended the government spying on all Americans' emails and who locked up more whistleblowers than any other president (and iirc may have locked up more whistleblowers than all other presidents combined), including at least one the administration wound up torturing

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If this means more conservitive will post somewhere else instead of infesting other forums I'm all for it.

Zeus posted...

While the principle in *theory* isn't bad, any conservative-welcoming social media platform will be attacked by the government and far-left extremist groups. For instance, simply creating a Parler profile -- without taking into account any behavior on the platform itself -- has been enough to get people fired and blacklisted. Governments have been looking for any pretext, no matter how flimsy, to control or shut down social media platforms, or to subvert their use for the government's agenda.

As nice as it is to imagine that the internet is still some free space, that hasn't been the truth in a while.

tbh, the US has definitely skewed towards totalitarianism lately, although I suppose it was to be expected from electing the VP of the guy who defended the government spying on all Americans' emails and who locked up more whistleblowers than any other president (and iirc may have locked up more whistleblowers than all other presidents combined), including at least one the administration wound up torturing

Actually they haven't been leaning toward totalitarianism at all and locking up any republicans (like @Zeus apparently) is a wonderful thing. Republicans have already shown they don't want to respect rule of law.

Zeus posted...

any conservative-welcoming social media platform will be attacked by the government and far-left extremist groups.

Which is why Facebook and Twitter are having such a hard time?

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I mean there already is a Twitter for the far-right, since so many of them got banned off real Twitter.

There is, but regular Twitter's and Facebook's algorithms already tend to promote right-wing perspectives preferentially. Right-wing extremists will sometimes get booted off, sure, and then wave their giant victim complex around as they run sobbing to Parler or whatever, but by and large, the whole "social media discriminates against right-wing views!" thing is the exact opposite of the truth. The only right-wing views they discriminate against are thinly-veiled calls to murder all the gays

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I don't like social media in general. I don't expect this one to be any different.

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Zeus posted...

While the principle in *theory* isn't bad, any conservative-welcoming social media platform will be attacked by the government and far-left extremist groups. For instance, simply creating a Parler profile -- without taking into account any behavior on the platform itself -- has been enough to get people fired and blacklisted. Governments have been looking for any pretext, no matter how flimsy, to control or shut down social media platforms, or to subvert their use for the government's agenda.

As nice as it is to imagine that the internet is still some free space, that hasn't been the truth in a while.

tbh, the US has definitely skewed towards totalitarianism lately, although I suppose it was to be expected from electing the VP of the guy who defended the government spying on all Americans' emails and who locked up more whistleblowers than any other president (and iirc may have locked up more whistleblowers than all other presidents combined), including at least one the administration wound up torturing

What? Its because conservatives are terrorists and traitors you jokester.

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adjl posted...

There is, but regular Twitter's and Facebook's algorithms already tend to promote right-wing perspectives preferentially. Right-wing extremists will sometimes get booted off, sure, and then wave their giant victim complex around as they run sobbing to Parler or whatever, but by and large, the whole "social media discriminates against right-wing views!" thing is the exact opposite of the truth. The only right-wing views they discriminate against are thinly-veiled calls to murder all the gays

We also have seen them take a stance against misinformation before they banned Trump they were posting links below all his tweets going against every damn thing he tried to tell people that was a blatant lie.

I also don't think they necessarily promote that shit, the problem is the algorithms feed you more of it so if you see something that makes fun of Hillary and calls her a crook if you like that post, it's more likely to show you more stuff like that. So the right wing get more right wing and a similar case of the left, assuming they get their info from sites like Facebook.

Zeus posted...

While the principle in *theory* isn't bad, any conservative-welcoming social media platform will be attacked by the government and far-left extremist groups. For instance, simply creating a Parler profile -- without taking into account any behavior on the platform itself -- has been enough to get people fired and blacklisted. Governments have been looking for any pretext, no matter how flimsy, to control or shut down social media platforms, or to subvert their use for the government's agenda.

I mean Zeus is so consistent with his bull shit you kinda have to believe he believes what he says, but it's so fucking insane that it's hard to believe anyone could believe that even when you know about 1/4 - 1/3 of the nation believe it.

So first thing "conservative welcoming" is fucking disingenuous. Those websites are for hate and promotion of violence. You don't get banned from normal social media for being conservative. Like the don sub reddit got taken down because they were promoting the killing of police while banning anyone that tried to talk common sense.

People don't get in trouble for saying "I don't like taxes" or "I take issue with this particular regulation" You know it but all you do is promote disgusting garbage Zeus.

Typical social media: "Don't be violent or an asshole. Maybe don't spread blatant misinformation. Thanks."

Alt-right social media: "Don't disagree with us, ever. You will be banned, and then shamed behind your back when we aren't discussing how to be violent towards other things we don't like."

<_<

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Monopoman posted...

I also don't think they necessarily promote that s***, the problem is the algorithms feed you more of it so if you see something that makes fun of Hillary and calls her a crook if you like that post, it's more likely to show you more stuff like that. So the right wing get more right wing and a similar case of the left, assuming they get their info from sites like Facebook.

It goes beyond that. It's not just a matter of showing more of the things you actively Like, it's a matter of disproportinately showing people (all people) right-wing stuff because the arguments and controversies that ensue drive more traffic. Facebook records much more than just what you click "Like" on. They record how long you spend with a given post on the screen, whether or not you read comments on it, what sort of comment threads you expand. When they do show left-wing stuff, the dissenting comments are displayed as "more relevant" because that's what people that agree with the initial content are going to spend more time reading and responding to.

Everything about how Facebook and Twitter are designed focuses on one goal: To increase your activity on the site, which in turn increases the amount of time you spend looking at ads, the chance of engaging additional people, and creates additional opportunities for them to gather and sell data about you. The accidental end result of the algorithms that pursue that goal is that all users are being disproportionately shown right-leaning content, regardless of how they personally lean.

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adjl posted...

Which is why Facebook and Twitter are having such a hard time?

Neither of those sites welcome conservatives.
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He's always scamming money from the people who blindly support him. He could charge people $10-15 a month to pay to use his social media thing and make bank if he really wanted to.

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Revelation34 posted...

Neither of those sites welcome conservatives.

adjl posted...

Twitter's and Facebook's algorithms already tend to promote right-wing perspectives preferentially.

They don't explicitly welcome them as a matter of advertising, no, but the whole "oh no social media hates conservatives!" thing doesn't actually reflect reality.

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Revelation34 posted...

Neither of those sites welcome conservatives.

lol

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adjl posted...

They don't explicitly welcome them as a matter of advertising, no, but the whole "oh no social media hates conservatives!" thing doesn't actually reflect reality.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=prw2B_03IzY
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https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/oct/22/twitter-admits-bias-in-algorithm-for-rightwing-politicians-and-news-outlets

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Theres gotta be a way he can pull off a social media site without cry babies coming in and ruining things..

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Except he, himself, is known to be a crybaby...

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JixHedgehog posted...

Theres gotta be a way he can pull off a social media site without cry babies coming in and ruining things..

Crying over what? Winning?

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JixHedgehog posted...

Theres gotta be a way he can pull off a social media site without cry babies coming in and ruining things..

It would have failed even without the hackers.
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Again? Didn't he already try that twice?

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Revelation34 posted...

Neither of those sites welcome conservatives.

Of course they do - both sites are fucking filled with them.

Hell, probably 90% of the times I see conservatives complaining about being censored by big tech, it's on a Facebook post or tweet, which is all kinds of hilarious.

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Sounds like another failed business venture.

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adjl posted...

Which is why Facebook and Twitter are having such a hard time?

Show me where signing up for a Facebook or Twitter account is grounds for being fired from a company. More importantly, Facebook and Twitter are allowed to exist, whereas the government and extremist groups pressure companies to deny access to those conservative social media channels.

And the fact that far-left authoritarian politicians are trying to pressure social media platforms to suppress conservative opinions is a separate, but still salient discussion which ties into the larger trend.

adjl posted...

There is, but regular Twitter's and Facebook's algorithms already tend to promote right-wing perspectives preferentially. Right-wing extremists will sometimes get booted off, sure, and then wave their giant victim complex around as they run sobbing to Parler or whatever, but by and large, the whole "social media discriminates against right-wing views!" thing is the exact opposite of the truth. The only right-wing views they discriminate against are thinly-veiled calls to murder all the gays

Twitter and Facebook's algorithms target things that get the highest interactions. Blame the userbase, not the algorithm. And Twitter, FB, etc, *very* strongly discriminate against right-wing views, which you can clearly see by how their councils are stacked.

Monopoman posted...

We also have seen them take a stance against misinformation before they banned Trump they were posting links below all his tweets going against every damn thing he tried to tell people that was a blatant lie.

Which also comes back to the unequal treatment. Factually-questionable conservative remarks received "fact checks" whereas outright-inaccurate liberal stances did not.

BlackScythe0 posted...

I mean Zeus is so consistent with his bull shit you kinda have to believe he believes what he says, but it's so fucking insane that it's hard to believe anyone could believe that even when you know about 1/4 - 1/3 of the nation believe it.

So first thing "conservative welcoming" is fucking disingenuous. Those websites are for hate and promotion of violence. You don't get banned from normal social media for being conservative. Like the don sub reddit got taken down because they were promoting the killing of police while banning anyone that tried to talk common sense.

People don't get in trouble for saying "I don't like taxes" or "I take issue with this particular regulation" You know it but all you do is promote disgusting garbage Zeus.

BS0 spewing more BS. First, you're promoting a false narrative. Second, you're using the promotion of false narrative to justify your McCarthyism.


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Zeus posted...

And the fact that far-left authoritarian politicians are trying to pressure social media platforms to suppress conservative opinions is a separate, but still salient discussion which ties into the larger trend.

did you just, like, forget that conservative politicians have been trying to get twitter and facebook just shut down entirely because they're mad that people keep fact checking their lies?
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Adam_Savage posted...

did you just, like, forget that conservative politicians have been trying to get twitter and facebook just shut down entirely because they're mad that people keep fact checking their lies?

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/fea58172-b2fa-4141-978f-3484b388d771

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Adam_Savage posted...

did you just, like, forget that conservative politicians have been trying to get twitter and facebook just shut down entirely because they're mad that people keep fact checking their lies?

We would be better off without Twitter so I don't really care what anybody does to it.
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i made dozens of accounts there already to troll it.

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