Current Events > Trans Employees At Netflix To Stage Walkout To Protest Chappelle Special

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totalnerdken posted...

I didn't say it's because of his friend. Why did you jump to that? Are you projecting your own transphobia or something?

My mistake, others brought his friend up earlier in the thread so I assumed that's what you were talking about as well.

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Captain_Qwark posted...

You would say a person considering a trans woman's post-op genitals not identical to cis womens' hateful? Or do you mean something else?

Do you apply that logic to other areas? Like would you consider "fake boobs" jokes also hateful?

Fake boob jokes are rooted in misogyny, so yes.

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Captain_Qwark posted...

You would say a person considering a trans woman's post-op genitals not identical to cis womens' hateful? Or do you mean something else?

Do you apply that logic to other areas? Like would you consider "fake boobs" jokes also hateful?

It depends. Again, comedy is a lot more nuanced than "Man paid to say funny thing said thing. Me laugh or me no have sense of humor". That would be like saying someone doesn't have a soul if they don't cry at every hamfisted attempt at sad moments in all movies.

This extremely mean spirited comedy isn't as prevalent as everyone who thinks Dave is finally someone honest about trans people thinks it is.

A wheelchair or prosthetic legs aren't the same as natural mobility, but you'd probably need to apply effort to make a joke that is funny on some level beyond "haha they really aren't the same as fleshy legs!" And again, I am addressing the audience more than I am Chappelle.

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The irony is this will drive more attention and traffic to Daves special, its not even one of best sets but it'll be his biggest.

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How would CE react if his next special had him come out in drag and talking about how Netflix is giving him millions to rag on his haters and whiners?

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ReignFury posted...

The irony is this will drive more attention and traffic to Daves special, its not even one of best sets but it'll be his biggest.

This really. If people really wanted to attack Dave Chappelle then refusing to discuss him online would be a start. All of these discussions that just explode with posts, comments, replies just drive traffic to his special.

If you post outrage about Chappelles new special you are actually promoting his work and allowing him to make more money.

This is true of all sorts of things, but people get emotional and quite frankly there is nothing the least bit logical about the backlash Chappelle is receiving anyways.

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They should be fired

Gwynevere posted...

Netflix should air a special where antivaxxers get made fun of in the same vein as the Herman Cain Awards, then we'll see how consistent people are in defending the idea of "just a joke bro calm down"

As long as it is funny.

Keep in mind stuff like the Herman Cain Awards doesn't really attempt to be funny. It's just mocking their deaths and their stupidity.

It really shouldn't be that hard to make it funny by being a tad bit clever.

Also, I didn't laugh at everything Chappelle said in his special. It definitely had it's moments, but ultimately it was much more interesting than it was funny. At times he was mean spirited more than funny.

I just think people losing their minds over Chappelle need to get a grip on themselves. He said a very wide variety of things and people are zeroing in on some of the trans comments and Chappelles arguments are completely flying over their heads.

It is more frustrating than anything just how deeply obtuse so many people really are.

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For a topic so devoted to Mr. Chappelle's free speech, there's a lotta "people should be fired for speaking out" energy in this topic.

TommyG663513 posted...

If people really wanted to attack Dave Chappelle then refusing to discuss him online would be a start.

Literally nothing has ever resulted of people staying silent.

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They should tender their resignation, what better way to show how TRULY and DEEPLY you disapprove an employer, and how firm you stand by your convictions.

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Update: https://twitter.com/verge/status/1449082929808920587

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Antifar posted...

Update: https://twitter.com/verge/status/1449082929808920587

Sounds like it's time to strike, in general.

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I mean if you're going to strike you should better have a large amount of people doing it with you or else it just looks like a big pow wow

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CyricZ posted...

For a topic so devoted to Mr. Chappelle's free speech, there's a lotta "people should be fired for speaking out" energy in this topic.

Every single one of them should be able to speak out... outside of work.

Doing things at your job against your employer is not free speech.

That said, had they actually had the support they pretended to have a strike might have made a difference, but I think what we are learning is that these small angry mobs, while very loud, are very small. And the vast majority of sensible people aren't on their side.

A grumpy woke warrior should be able to spend every hour of every day outside work ranting about netflix and how it's awful/evil and whatever, and so long as they come to work and do their job, they should not lose their job.

But if at work you are disruptive and you try to demand people (who don't want to strike, who aren't upset) to all quit working for a while, yeah it's understandable you might get fired for it.

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CyricZ posted...

For a topic so devoted to Mr. Chappelle's free speech, there's a lotta "people should be fired for speaking out" energy in this topic.

Literally nothing has ever resulted of people staying silent.

There is a big difference between free speech and staging a walk out of your job.

Jobs don't protect your right to not do your job while on the clock.

Any other type of protest and I'd give you a different response.

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joe40001 posted...

Doing things at your job against your employer is not free speech.

It's actually protected activity under the NLRA.

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Antifar posted...

Update: https://twitter.com/verge/status/1449082929808920587

Shocking.

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Antifar posted...

It's actually protected activity under the NLRA.

Can you provide a link to the specifics?

Perhaps I am overstating. Because I am pro workers rights and so the mechanisms that support that are something that I'd defend. So if the employee was only doing things in the appropriate manner I'd be obligated to defend it.

Honestly though, I very much get the vibe that this employee is trying to be disruptive, which I don't think would be protected.

If what they did was completely legit, I guess I don't understand what's preventing 3 people from wanting to take a vacation so they "strike" for 2 weeks and then just come back to work and expect to be protected from firing.

So I'd be interested in learning more, and then I might revise my stance.

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joe40001 posted...

Can you provide a link to the specifics?

https://www.xperthr.com/faq/what-is-considered-protected-concerted-activity-under-the-national-labor-relations-act-nlra-/10498/

https://labornotes.org/blogs/2019/08/walmart-nlrb-decision-doesn%E2%80%99t-change-intermittent-strike-rules


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I don't really see the point of striking outside of work hours

Antifar posted...

Update: https://twitter.com/verge/status/1449082929808920587

The employee was terminated on suspicion of leaking metrics to the press related to the Dave Chappelle special. Those metrics about how much Netflix paid for The Closer and how many people it reached subsequently ended up in a report on Bloomberg. While the employee had shared the metrics internally, they spoke out against the leaks to colleagues, worried they might hurt the walkout movement.

A Netflix spokesperson confirmed the employees dismissal. We have let go of an employee for sharing confidential, commercially sensitive information outside the company, they said. We understand this employee may have been motivated by disappointment and hurt with Netflix, but maintaining a culture of trust and transparency is core to our company.

I have to imagine she knew how that would end.

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Antifar posted...

https://www.xperthr.com/faq/what-is-considered-protected-concerted-activity-under-the-national-labor-relations-act-nlra-/10498/

https://labornotes.org/blogs/2019/08/walmart-nlrb-decision-doesn%E2%80%99t-change-intermittent-strike-rules

For concerted activity to be considered protected under the NLRA, the activity by two or more employees (or one employee acting on behalf of a group) must be engaged in for employees' mutual aid or protection, such as activity to improve working conditions or to bring truly group complaints to the attention of management

Neither of these links (that I can see) speak to if such strikes can be planned at work. I don't want to deep dive too much on this netrflix story because I don't want to give clicks to the sites talking about this non-story.

So they might have been in violation because they were organizing and pressuring people at the work place, or they might be in violation because what they were pushing wasn't in service of "truly group complaints", or maybe they weren't in violation, not 100% clear.

But anyway, strikes with very small groups of people on the striker's side, might prompt a negative reaction from the employer. I think such action is legally justified, but I'm open to the possibility that the strike alone was totally above board. Still I would be surprised if such a person didn't have a history of being disruptive at work in a way that was not protected.

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joe40001 posted...

But anyway, strikes with very small groups of people on the striker's side, might prompt a negative reaction from the employer

Buddy, strikes aren't meant to make the employer happy. The issue is retaliation.

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QueenCarly posted...

Fake boob jokes are rooted in misogyny, so yes.

How are fake boob jokes misogynist ?

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Antifar posted...

Buddy, strikes aren't meant to make the employer happy. The issue is retaliation.

I don't think he is saying otherwise. He is speaking of the reality here.

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Peachi posted...

Imagine working at Netflix. lol.

Dont tell me what to do

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gmanthebest posted...

Sums it up pretty well.

Antifar posted...

Update: https://twitter.com/verge/status/1449082929808920587

OH NO !
Anyway.

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Antifar posted...

Update: https://twitter.com/verge/status/1449082929808920587

#REKT

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