o Gay Teacher QUITS cause Parents accuse of him teaching Kids to be GAY!!!

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agesboy 09/12/21 5:06:50 PM #51:	SKARDAVNELNATE posted... You just made my point for me. if you think homophobia is an ok thing that should be normalized, sure but most people would agree that homophobia, racism, sexism, ableism, etc have no place whatsoever in today's society --- https://imgur.com/LabbRyN raytan and Kana are on opposite ends of the Awesome Spectrum. <cite>agesboy posted [p:957987588] in 22 y/o Gay... [t:79653916]...</cite> <quote>SKARDAVNELNATE posted... </cite> <quote>You just made my point for me.</quote>if you think homophobia is an ok thing that should be normalized, sure but most people would agree that homophobia, racism, sexism, ableism, etc have no place whatsoever in today's society </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 09/12/21 5:12:33 PM #52:	agesboy posted... if you think homophobia is an ok thing that should be normalized, sure but most people would agree that homophobia, racism, sexism, ableism, etc have no place whatsoever in today's society Eeyup. This is not a particularly controversial notion: Just don't be a dick to people for things they have no control over. If you choose to be, then you're a dick. There are countless other examples of instances where being a dick to people is justifiable, as evidenced by the fact that you can actually say something to justify it instead of "but free speech!". Homophobia is not one of them. If you truly believe it is, go ahead and try to justify it. Until then, you can either join the rest of us in accepting the very obvious conclusion that homophobes are shit, or you can keep going to bat for shit for no apparent reason. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:957987768] in 22 y/o Gay... [t:79653916]...</cite> <quote>agesboy posted... </cite> <quote>if you think homophobia is an ok thing that should be normalized, sure but most people would agree that homophobia, racism, sexism, ableism, etc have no place whatsoever in today's society</quote> Eeyup. This is not a particularly controversial notion: Just don't be a dick to people for things they have no control over. If you choose to be, then you're a dick. There are countless other examples of instances where being a dick to people is justifiable, as evidenced by the fact that you can actually say something to justify it instead of "but free speech!". Homophobia is not one of them. If you truly believe it is, go ahead and try to justify it. Until then, you can either join the rest of us in accepting the very obvious conclusion that homophobes are shit, or you can keep going to bat for shit for no apparent reason. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SKARDAVNELNATE 09/12/21 5:28:29 PM #53:	I've heard to never interrupt your opponent when he's making a mistake but I already pointed it out and your both still doing it. --- No locked doors, no windows barred. No more things to make my brain seem SKARD. Look at Mr. Technical over here >.> -BTB <cite>SKARDAVNELNATE posted [p:957988380] in 22 y/o Gay... [t:79653916]...</cite> <quote>I've heard to never interrupt your opponent when he's making a mistake but I already pointed it out and your both still doing it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clench281 09/12/21 5:57:19 PM #54:	SKIDMARK can't differentiate your from you're, Sunny alt confirmed --- Take me for what I am -- who I was meant to be. And if you give a damn, take me baby, or leave me. <cite>Clench281 posted [p:957989277] in 22 y/o Gay... [t:79653916]...</cite> <quote>SKIDMARK can't differentiate your from you're, Sunny alt confirmed </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
agesboy 09/12/21 5:58:06 PM #55:	i'm pretty sure he's been around here for a lot longer than sunny has --- https://imgur.com/LabbRyN raytan and Kana are on opposite ends of the Awesome Spectrum. <cite>agesboy posted [p:957989303] in 22 y/o Gay... [t:79653916]...</cite> <quote>i'm pretty sure he's been around here for a lot longer than sunny has </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 09/12/21 6:17:47 PM #56:	SKARDAVNELNATE posted... You just made my point for me. So, youre basically admitting to not only being a homophobe, but approving of their behavior, as well Good to know, I guess --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:957989919] in 22 y/o Gay... [t:79653916]...</cite> <quote>SKARDAVNELNATE posted...</cite> <quote>You just made my point for me.</quote> So, youre basically admitting to not only being a homophobe, but approving of their behavior, as well Good to know, I guess</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 09/12/21 6:26:27 PM #57:	SKARDAVNELNATE posted... I've heard to never interrupt your opponent when he's making a mistake but I already pointed it out and your both still doing it. That hanging a pride flag reflects the "agenda" of expecting people to not be dicks? Sure. Why, however, do you think that "agenda" shouldn't be second nature for everyone? That's the basis for saying it's not worth identifying as an agenda: It's not something that should take any more effort or attention than breathing, and if it does, that means the person having the difficulty is the problem. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:957990265] in 22 y/o Gay... [t:79653916]...</cite> <quote>SKARDAVNELNATE posted... </cite> <quote>I've heard to never interrupt your opponent when he's making a mistake but I already pointed it out and your both still doing it.</quote> That hanging a pride flag reflects the "agenda" of expecting people to not be dicks? Sure. Why, however, do you think that "agenda" shouldn't be second nature for everyone? That's the basis for saying it's not worth identifying as an agenda: It's not something that should take any more effort or attention than breathing, and if it does, that means the person having the difficulty is the problem. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SKARDAVNELNATE 09/15/21 6:59:42 PM #58:	Oh, are you done focusing on me and want to discus the topic at hand? adjl posted... That hanging a pride flag reflects the "agenda" of expecting people to not be dicks? Sure. That's not the mistake I referred to. I was talking about a double standard. Earlier I said that "if they can make it about their gender identity then they can benefit." You and agesboy were doing exactly what I said someone would. adjl posted... Why are you so bothered by the idea of homophobia not being tolerated? Not once did I say it should be. In fact I never said anything about homophobia. But you and agesboy were quite willing to interpret what was said in that way. agesboy posted... if you think homophobia is an ok thing that should be normalized, sure but most people would agree that homophobia, racism, sexism, ableism, etc have no place whatsoever in today's society It is not "homophobia, racism, sexism, ableism, etc" to want people to be held to the same standard. adjl posted... Then the teacher disciplines them appropriately for being a piece of shit. Since, you know, anyone who doesn't make that commitment is a piece of shit and should be treated accordingly. So if someone doesn't like that there is a double standard, and won't commit to it on that bases, then they are a piece of shit and should be treated as such? Note this has nothing to do with them being a dick to anyone. It's purely a matter of not agreeing with a condition. But to you that is enough to warrent being a dick to them? By your own reasoning the safe space requires that everyone within it be tolerant of certain people, but those individuals don't have to be tolerant of anyone else within the space. --- No locked doors, no windows barred. No more things to make my brain seem SKARD. Look at Mr. Technical over here >.> -BTB <cite>SKARDAVNELNATE posted [p:958091861] in 22 y/o Gay... [t:79653916]...</cite> <quote>Oh, are you done focusing on me and want to discus the topic at hand? adjl posted... </cite> <quote>That hanging a pride flag reflects the "agenda" of expecting people to not be dicks? Sure.</quote>That's not the mistake I referred to. I was talking about a double standard. Earlier I said that "if they can make it about their gender identity then they can benefit." You and agesboy were doing exactly what I said someone would. adjl posted... </cite> <quote>Why are you so bothered by the idea of homophobia not being tolerated?</quote>Not once did I say it should be. In fact I never said anything about homophobia. But you and agesboy were quite willing to interpret what was said in that way. agesboy posted... </cite> <quote>if you think homophobia is an ok thing that should be normalized, sure but most people would agree that homophobia, racism, sexism, ableism, etc have no place whatsoever in today's society</quote>It is not "homophobia, racism, sexism, ableism, etc" to want people to be held to the same standard. adjl posted... </cite> <quote>Then the teacher disciplines them appropriately for being a piece of shit. Since, you know, anyone who doesn't make that commitment is a piece of shit and should be treated accordingly.</quote>So if someone doesn't like that there is a double standard, and won't commit to it on that bases, then they are a piece of shit and should be treated as such? Note this has nothing to do with them being a dick to anyone. It's purely a matter of not agreeing with a condition. But to you that is enough to warrent being a dick to them? By your own reasoning the safe space requires that everyone within it be tolerant of certain people, but those individuals don't have to be tolerant of anyone else within the space. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 09/15/21 7:10:51 PM #59:	SKARDAVNELNATE posted... Note this has nothing to do with them being a dick to anyone. It's purely a matter of not agreeing with a condition. That condition is not being a dick to people for uncontrollable personal characteristics that do nothing to harm anyone else. You cannot separate "being a dick" from "not agreeing with [that] condition" because they are one and the same. SKARDAVNELNATE posted... By your own reasoning the safe space requires that everyone within it be tolerant of certain people, but those individuals don't have to be tolerant of anyone else within the space. Being tolerant does not require tolerance of those that are intolerant. That's how Nazis happen(ed). That's not the paradox some people believe it to be, that's just pausing to exercise some common sense instead of applying a blanket "I should respect their opinion!" to absolutely everything everyone says. "Common sense" leaves some room for subjectivity, certainly, but if you believe a given interpretation is wrong, argue that specific case instead of trying to suggest that all opinions are equally not shit. SKARDAVNELNATE posted... So if someone doesn't like that there is a double standard, and won't commit to it on that bases, then they are a piece of s* and should be treated as such? Yes, being homophobic to one's peers just to spite what they see as a teacher being unreasonable makes one a piece of shit. If they have a problem with how the class is being run, they should take that up with the teacher or somebody else that's actually responsible for and has the power to change that, not harass or belittle their peers. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:958092188] in 22 y/o Gay... [t:79653916]...</cite> <quote>SKARDAVNELNATE posted... </cite> <quote>Note this has nothing to do with them being a dick to anyone. It's purely a matter of not agreeing with a condition.</quote> That condition is not being a dick to people for uncontrollable personal characteristics that do nothing to harm anyone else. You cannot separate "being a dick" from "not agreeing with [that] condition" because they are one and the same. SKARDAVNELNATE posted... </cite> <quote>By your own reasoning the safe space requires that everyone within it be tolerant of certain people, but those individuals don't have to be tolerant of anyone else within the space.</quote> Being tolerant does not require tolerance of those that are intolerant. That's how Nazis happen(ed). That's not the paradox some people believe it to be, that's just pausing to exercise some common sense instead of applying a blanket "I should respect their opinion!" to absolutely everything everyone says. "Common sense" leaves some room for subjectivity, certainly, but if you believe a given interpretation is wrong, argue that specific case instead of trying to suggest that all opinions are equally not shit. SKARDAVNELNATE posted... </cite> <quote>So if someone doesn't like that there is a double standard, and won't commit to it on that bases, then they are a piece of s* and should be treated as such?</quote> Yes, being homophobic to one's peers just to spite what they see as a teacher being unreasonable makes one a piece of shit. If they have a problem with how the class is being run, they should take that up with the teacher or somebody else that's actually responsible for and has the power to change that, not harass or belittle their peers. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SKARDAVNELNATE 09/15/21 10:01:50 PM #61:	adjl posted... Being tolerant does not require tolerance of those that are intolerant. I'm not talking about the intolerant. I asked about anything they disagree with. For an example let's say the safe space is at a cafeteria instead of a classroom. Let's say there's a vegetarian and a person eating a hamburger. Is the vegetarian required to be tolerant of the person with a hamburger, or do they have the power to evict another person because they find the hamburger offensive? adjl posted... Yes, being homophobic to one's peers... not harass or belittle their peers. None of that is in anything I posted. I asked you a very direct question and you are labeling the subject matter as things that it is not. --- No locked doors, no windows barred. No more things to make my brain seem SKARD. Look at Mr. Technical over here >.> -BTB <cite>SKARDAVNELNATE posted [p:958097348] in 22 y/o Gay... [t:79653916]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted... </cite> <quote>Being tolerant does not require tolerance of those that are intolerant.</quote>I'm not talking about the intolerant. I asked about anything they disagree with. For an example let's say the safe space is at a cafeteria instead of a classroom. Let's say there's a vegetarian and a person eating a hamburger. Is the vegetarian required to be tolerant of the person with a hamburger, or do they have the power to evict another person because they find the hamburger offensive? adjl posted...</cite> <quote>Yes, being homophobic to one's peers... not harass or belittle their peers.</quote>None of that is in anything I posted. I asked you a very direct question and you are labeling the subject matter as things that it is not. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clench281 09/16/21 6:14:57 AM #62:	Why would a vegetarian safe space cafeteria be serving hamburgers? Your analogy sucks --- Take me for what I am -- who I was meant to be. And if you give a damn, take me baby, or leave me. <cite>Clench281 posted [p:958105344] in 22 y/o Gay... [t:79653916]...</cite> <quote>Why would a vegetarian safe space cafeteria be serving hamburgers? Your analogy sucks </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 09/16/21 2:18:34 PM #63:	SKARDAVNELNATE posted... I'm not talking about the intolerant. I asked about anything they disagree with. But we're not talking about any disagreement. We're talking specifically about intolerance of LGBTQ people. Nobody's said anything about not allowing people to disagree in any more general sense. SKARDAVNELNATE posted... None of that is in anything I posted. I asked you a very direct question and you are labeling the subject matter as things that it is not. You asked a direct question about "making a commitment," and that commitment is specifically to not harass and belittle people based on their sexual orientation/gender identity. By not making that commitment, one indicates that one intends to harass or belittle people based on their sexual orientation. You're trying very hard to generalize this situation in ways for which there is no reason to generalize this situation, in an apparent effort to come up with a reason to be offended by a teacher hanging a pride flag. I'm not sure why you're so bothered by this, but it's really not a problem. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:958115657] in 22 y/o Gay... [t:79653916]...</cite> <quote>SKARDAVNELNATE posted... </cite> <quote>I'm not talking about the intolerant. I asked about anything they disagree with.</quote> But we're not talking about any disagreement. We're talking specifically about intolerance of LGBTQ people. Nobody's said anything about not allowing people to disagree in any more general sense. SKARDAVNELNATE posted... </cite> <quote>None of that is in anything I posted. I asked you a very direct question and you are labeling the subject matter as things that it is not.</quote> You asked a direct question about "making a commitment," and that commitment is specifically to not harass and belittle people based on their sexual orientation/gender identity. By not making that commitment, one indicates that one intends to harass or belittle people based on their sexual orientation. You're trying very hard to generalize this situation in ways for which there is no reason to generalize this situation, in an apparent effort to come up with a reason to be offended by a teacher hanging a pride flag. I'm not sure why you're so bothered by this, but it's really not a problem. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wwinterj25 09/16/21 8:29:18 PM #64:	A teachers sexuality shouldn't be put on display in a classroom. Even more so when it doesn't teach anything about speech and drama and that's what this teacher was supposed to be doing. I'm perfectly sure kids or even adults are capable of working out their own sexuality without his input. Full Throttle posted... After removing the rainbow flag, a universal symbol of acceptance of all sexual preferences A rainbow flag doesn't represent heterosexual folk. --- One who knows nothing can understand nothing. http://psnprofiles.com/wwinterj - https://imgur.com/guXxsmA <cite>wwinterj25 posted [p:958125784] in 22 y/o Gay... [t:79653916]...</cite> <quote>A teachers sexuality shouldn't be put on display in a classroom. Even more so when it doesn't teach anything about speech and drama and that's what this teacher was supposed to be doing. I'm perfectly sure kids or even adults are capable of working out their own sexuality without his input. Full Throttle posted... </cite> <quote>After removing the rainbow flag, a universal symbol of acceptance of all sexual preferences</quote> A rainbow flag doesn't represent heterosexual folk. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 09/16/21 9:50:53 PM #65:	wwinterj25 posted... A rainbow flag doesn't represent heterosexual folk. It does, actually. The whole point of the rainbow symbolism is that it encompasses a full range of colours (and therefore, metaphorically, people). Straight people generally don't represent themselves with pride flags, because the flag itself is symbolic of the LGBTQ movement (plus there really isn't a need to promote straight acceptance), but they're in there nonetheless. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:958128090] in 22 y/o Gay... [t:79653916]...</cite> <quote>wwinterj25 posted... </cite> <quote>A rainbow flag doesn't represent heterosexual folk.</quote> It does, actually. The whole point of the rainbow symbolism is that it encompasses a full range of colours (and therefore, metaphorically, people). Straight people generally don't represent themselves with pride flags, because the flag itself is symbolic of the LGBTQ movement (plus there really isn't a need to promote straight acceptance), but they're in there nonetheless. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 09/16/21 10:05:39 PM #66:	wwinterj25 posted... A teachers sexuality shouldn't be put on display in a classroom. Even more so when it doesn't teach anything about speech and drama and that's what this teacher was supposed to be doing. I'm perfectly sure kids or even adults are capable of working out their own sexuality without his input. Technically, having a rainbow flag doesnt mean youre gay. If you have a gay family member, they could have put it up in support of them. So, I dont think he was trying to put his sexuality on display. Also, I dont think he was trying to give his input on others sexuality. Unless I missed that in the article somewhere --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:958128499] in 22 y/o Gay... [t:79653916]...</cite> <quote>wwinterj25 posted...</cite> <quote>A teachers sexuality shouldn't be put on display in a classroom. Even more so when it doesn't teach anything about speech and drama and that's what this teacher was supposed to be doing. I'm perfectly sure kids or even adults are capable of working out their own sexuality without his input. </quote> Technically, having a rainbow flag doesnt mean youre gay. If you have a gay family member, they could have put it up in support of them. So, I dont think he was trying to put his sexuality on display. Also, I dont think he was trying to give his input on others sexuality. Unless I missed that in the article somewhere</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wwinterj25 09/17/21 11:14:19 AM #67:	adjl posted... Straight people generally don't represent themselves with pride flags, because the flag itself is symbolic of the LGBTQ movement Indeed. LinkPizza posted... Technically, having a rainbow flag doesnt mean youre gay. If you have a gay family member, they could have put it up in support of them. So, I dont think he was trying to put his sexuality on display. Also, I dont think he was trying to give his input on others sexuality. Unless I missed that in the article somewhere Why would you put up a flag to support a family member when you're a teacher other than to push a agenda? Even more so when it has no relevance to what you teach? Still he is homosexual though and using this flag for nothing more than pandering towards that due to the " it stood there as a reflection of my classroom as a safe space for my LGBTQIA+ students". it's good he quit and the school is better without him as he was clearly not there to teach. --- One who knows nothing can understand nothing. http://psnprofiles.com/wwinterj - https://imgur.com/guXxsmA <cite>wwinterj25 posted [p:958141535] in 22 y/o Gay... [t:79653916]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted... </cite> <quote>Straight people generally don't represent themselves with pride flags, because the flag itself is symbolic of the LGBTQ movement</quote> Indeed. LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Technically, having a rainbow flag doesnt mean youre gay. If you have a gay family member, they could have put it up in support of them. So, I dont think he was trying to put his sexuality on display. Also, I dont think he was trying to give his input on others sexuality. Unless I missed that in the article somewhere</quote> Why would you put up a flag to support a family member when you're a teacher other than to push a agenda? Even more so when it has no relevance to what you teach? Still he is homosexual though and using this flag for nothing more than pandering towards that due to the " it stood there as a reflection of my classroom as a safe space for my LGBTQIA+ students". it's good he quit and the school is better without him as he was clearly not there to teach. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SKARDAVNELNATE 09/17/21 11:21:13 AM #68:	adjl posted... Nobody's said anything about not allowing people to disagree in any more general sense. I did. That's what I've been talking about this entire time. adjl posted... By not making that commitment, one indicates that one intends to harass or belittle people based on their sexual orientation. One indicates that they don't agree to the double standard such a commitment creates. --- No locked doors, no windows barred. No more things to make my brain seem SKARD. Look at Mr. Technical over here >.> -BTB <cite>SKARDAVNELNATE posted [p:958141700] in 22 y/o Gay... [t:79653916]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted... </cite> <quote>Nobody's said anything about not allowing people to disagree in any more general sense.</quote>I did. That's what I've been talking about this entire time. adjl posted... </cite> <quote>By not making that commitment, one indicates that one intends to harass or belittle people based on their sexual orientation.</quote>One indicates that they don't agree to the double standard such a commitment creates. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 09/17/21 11:27:42 AM #69:	wwinterj25 posted... Why would you put up a flag to support a family member when you're a teacher other than to push a agenda? To show support. Same reason someone who doesnt have breast cancer might put something about breast cancer awareness up on support of someone who does have breast cancer. Some people like to support family members Has nothing to do with an agenda. Thats just a baseless accusation wwinterj25 posted... Even more so when it has no relevance to what you teach? Not everything you put up has to do with teaching. Like how some people may put a picture of their wife or kid(s) on their desk wwinterj25 posted... Still he is homosexual though and using this flag for nothing more than pandering towards that due to the " it stood there as a reflection of my classroom as a safe space for my LGBTQIA+ students". And theres nothing wrong with that. If you think so, then youre probably not a good person wwinterj25 posted... Still he quit and it seems the school is better without him as he's clearly not there to teach. Theres nothing to suggest the school is better off without him. Yes, its still running. But even if a school lost its best teacher, it could still technically run --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:958141836] in 22 y/o Gay... [t:79653916]...</cite> <quote>wwinterj25 posted...</cite> <quote>Why would you put up a flag to support a family member when you're a teacher other than to push a agenda?</quote> To show support. Same reason someone who doesnt have breast cancer might put something about breast cancer awareness up on support of someone who does have breast cancer. Some people like to support family members Has nothing to do with an agenda. Thats just a baseless accusation wwinterj25 posted...</cite> <quote>Even more so when it has no relevance to what you teach?</quote> Not everything you put up has to do with teaching. Like how some people may put a picture of their wife or kid(s) on their desk wwinterj25 posted...</cite> <quote>Still he is homosexual though and using this flag for nothing more than pandering towards that due to the " it stood there as a reflection of my classroom as a safe space for my LGBTQIA+ students".</quote> And theres nothing wrong with that. If you think so, then youre probably not a good person wwinterj25 posted...</cite> <quote>Still he quit and it seems the school is better without him as he's clearly not there to teach.</quote> Theres nothing to suggest the school is better off without him. Yes, its still running. But even if a school lost its best teacher, it could still technically run</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 09/17/21 12:43:30 PM #70:	wwinterj25 posted... agenda wwinterj25 posted... pandering lol --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:958143834] in 22 y/o Gay... [t:79653916]...</cite> <quote>wwinterj25 posted... </cite> <quote>agenda</quote>wwinterj25 posted... </cite> <quote>pandering</quote>lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 09/17/21 12:46:54 PM #71:	Metalsonic66 posted... lol Nay; The entire world's economy is dependant on hetero pair bonding... CONSUME. REPRODUCE. OBEY. --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:958143926] in 22 y/o Gay... [t:79653916]...</cite> <quote>Metalsonic66 posted... </cite> <quote>lol</quote> Nay; The entire world's economy is dependant on hetero pair bonding... CONSUME. REPRODUCE. OBEY. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wwinterj25 09/17/21 5:20:50 PM #72:	LinkPizza posted... And theres nothing wrong with that. If you think so, then youre probably not a good person I'm a person who thinks peoples personal life should be kept out or a workplace. Even more so teachers. Make of that what you will. --- One who knows nothing can understand nothing. http://psnprofiles.com/wwinterj - https://imgur.com/guXxsmA <cite>wwinterj25 posted [p:958151794] in 22 y/o Gay... [t:79653916]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>And theres nothing wrong with that. If you think so, then youre probably not a good person</quote> I'm a person who thinks peoples personal life should be kept out or a workplace. Even more so teachers. Make of that what you will. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 09/17/21 5:26:13 PM #73:	wwinterj25 posted... I'm a person who thinks peoples personal life should be kept out or a workplace. Even more so teachers. Make of that what you will. And people have no need to keep it out. People are allowed to express themselves at work sometimes. Whether its through pictures or flags. Its something thats normally not a problem. It only becomes a problem when someone doesnt like someone elses personal life If he had a flag of the country he was born, or a picture of his wife and kids, nobody would say anything, even though its his personal life. Personally life doesnt need to be kept out of the workplace because theres no need for it to be kept out --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:958151942] in 22 y/o Gay... [t:79653916]...</cite> <quote>wwinterj25 posted...</cite> <quote>I'm a person who thinks peoples personal life should be kept out or a workplace. Even more so teachers. Make of that what you will. </quote> And people have no need to keep it out. People are allowed to express themselves at work sometimes. Whether its through pictures or flags. Its something thats normally not a problem. It only becomes a problem when someone doesnt like someone elses personal life If he had a flag of the country he was born, or a picture of his wife and kids, nobody would say anything, even though its his personal life. Personally life doesnt need to be kept out of the workplace because theres no need for it to be kept out</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wwinterj25 09/17/21 5:31:43 PM #74:	LinkPizza posted... And people have no need to keep it out. Save for professionalism sure. It only becomes a problem when someone doesnt like someone elses personal life If he had a flag of the country he was born, or a picture of his wife and kids, nobody would say anything, even though its his personal life. Give people ammo and they will use it. It's best to do the job you're paid to do rather than paint a target on your back that has no relevance to your job. Still this discussion doesn't matter as the guy quit so the issue has been resolved. --- One who knows nothing can understand nothing. http://psnprofiles.com/wwinterj - https://imgur.com/guXxsmA <cite>wwinterj25 posted [p:958152096] in 22 y/o Gay... [t:79653916]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>And people have no need to keep it out. </quote> Save for professionalism sure. <quote>It only becomes a problem when someone doesnt like someone elses personal life If he had a flag of the country he was born, or a picture of his wife and kids, nobody would say anything, even though its his personal life.</quote> Give people ammo and they will use it. It's best to do the job you're paid to do rather than paint a target on your back that has no relevance to your job. Still this discussion doesn't matter as the guy quit so the issue has been resolved. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 09/17/21 5:45:44 PM #75:	wwinterj25 posted... Save for professionalism sure. You can still be professional even when your personal life is on the workplace. Just because someone has a picture of their wife and kid on their desk doesnt mean they arent professional wwinterj25 posted... Give people ammo and they will use it. It's best to do the job you're paid to do rather than paint a target on your back that has no relevance to your job. Still this discussion doesn't matter as the guy quit so the issue has been resolved. The issue is that being gay is ammo at all And it doesnt matter if you paint the target on your back or not. If someone wants you gone, theyll make it happen And the issue isnt resolved. Its a bandaid at best And they may have bigger problems. Like possible bullying for LGBT+ kids --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:958152511] in 22 y/o Gay... [t:79653916]...</cite> <quote>wwinterj25 posted...</cite> <quote>Save for professionalism sure.</quote> You can still be professional even when your personal life is on the workplace. Just because someone has a picture of their wife and kid on their desk doesnt mean they arent professional wwinterj25 posted...</cite> <quote>Give people ammo and they will use it. It's best to do the job you're paid to do rather than paint a target on your back that has no relevance to your job. Still this discussion doesn't matter as the guy quit so the issue has been resolved.</quote> The issue is that being gay is ammo at all And it doesnt matter if you paint the target on your back or not. If someone wants you gone, theyll make it happen And the issue isnt resolved. Its a bandaid at best And they may have bigger problems. Like possible bullying for LGBT+ kids</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OrangeDawn 09/17/21 5:49:56 PM #76:	It's 2021 and we still have bigots whining about the gay agenda --- 3DS Friend Code: 3308-5843-0863 Town: Virginia <cite>OrangeDawn posted [p:958152638] in 22 y/o Gay... [t:79653916]...</cite> <quote>It's 2021 and we still have bigots whining about the gay agenda </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wwinterj25 09/17/21 5:50:09 PM #77:	I'm sure the school will survive without having a pride flag in a classroom. Based on what? Based on most classrooms don't have anything that represents someones sexuality on display. Thankfully. --- One who knows nothing can understand nothing. http://psnprofiles.com/wwinterj - https://imgur.com/guXxsmA <cite>wwinterj25 posted [p:958152649] in 22 y/o Gay... [t:79653916]...</cite> <quote>I'm sure the school will survive without having a pride flag in a classroom. Based on what? Based on most classrooms don't have anything that represents someones sexuality on display. Thankfully. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 09/17/21 5:53:27 PM #78:	wwinterj25 posted... I'm sure the school will survive without having a pride flag in a classroom. Based on what? Based on most classrooms don't have anything that represents someones sexuality on display. Thankfully. The school will survive. Nobody said it wouldnt. But it probably doesnt help the bullying. Having the safe space could have promoted acceptance. Making a gay person feel uncomfortable because hes gay helps to promote homophobic behavior And many classrooms actually DO have something that can represent someones sexuality. Like I said, many teachers have picture of their families on their desk. Which from it, you can usually hazard a guess at their sexuality --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:958152753] in 22 y/o Gay... [t:79653916]...</cite> <quote>wwinterj25 posted...</cite> <quote>I'm sure the school will survive without having a pride flag in a classroom. Based on what? Based on most classrooms don't have anything that represents someones sexuality on display. Thankfully.</quote> The school will survive. Nobody said it wouldnt. But it probably doesnt help the bullying. Having the safe space could have promoted acceptance. Making a gay person feel uncomfortable because hes gay helps to promote homophobic behavior And many classrooms actually DO have something that can represent someones sexuality. Like I said, many teachers have picture of their families on their desk. Which from it, you can usually hazard a guess at their sexuality</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clench281 09/17/21 5:54:25 PM #79:	wwinterj25 posted... I'm sure the school will survive without having a pride flag in a classroom. Based on what? Based on most classrooms don't have anything that represents someones sexuality on display. Thankfully. User tag added: scared of rainbows --- Take me for what I am -- who I was meant to be. And if you give a damn, take me baby, or leave me. <cite>Clench281 posted [p:958152783] in 22 y/o Gay... [t:79653916]...</cite> <quote>wwinterj25 posted... </cite> <quote>I'm sure the school will survive without having a pride flag in a classroom. Based on what? Based on most classrooms don't have anything that represents someones sexuality on display. Thankfully.</quote> User tag added: scared of rainbows </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 09/17/21 7:05:08 PM #80:	wwinterj25 posted... Why would you put up a flag to support a family member when you're a teacher other than to push a agenda? Even more so when it has no relevance to what you teach? To support his students. Duh. How is this not blatantly obvious to you? SKARDAVNELNATE posted... I did. That's what I've been talking about this entire time. Why are you arguing against something nobody else is saying? SKARDAVNELNATE posted... One indicates that they don't agree to the double standard such a commitment creates. And, in doing so, don't commit to not being a dick. People who aren't not dicks are dicks, because math. They don't have to commit to not being a dick just because the teacher said so (in fact, the best not-dicks figure out how to not be dicks all on their own instead of needing to be beaten into compliance), but they still have to not be a dick in order to not be a dick. These are literally tautologies. Why am I having to spell them out for you? --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:958154825] in 22 y/o Gay... [t:79653916]...</cite> <quote>wwinterj25 posted... </cite> <quote>Why would you put up a flag to support a family member when you're a teacher other than to push a agenda? Even more so when it has no relevance to what you teach?</quote> To support his students. Duh. How is this not blatantly obvious to you? SKARDAVNELNATE posted... </cite> <quote>I did. That's what I've been talking about this entire time.</quote> Why are you arguing against something nobody else is saying? SKARDAVNELNATE posted... </cite> <quote>One indicates that they don't agree to the double standard such a commitment creates.</quote> And, in doing so, don't commit to not being a dick. People who aren't not dicks are dicks, because math. They don't have to commit to not being a dick just because the teacher said so (in fact, the best not-dicks figure out how to not be dicks all on their own instead of needing to be beaten into compliance), but they still have to not be a dick in order to not be a dick. These are literally tautologies. Why am I having to spell them out for you? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SKARDAVNELNATE 09/17/21 8:23:12 PM #81:	adjl posted... Why are you arguing against something nobody else is saying? It has been the subject from the onset. You think nobody else is saying it because you can't differentiate between disagreeing with someone in general and disagreeing with someone because of who they are. You see, adji, you are the bigot. adjl posted... People who aren't not dicks are dicks And I said they should be free to be dicks. --- No locked doors, no windows barred. No more things to make my brain seem SKARD. Look at Mr. Technical over here >.> -BTB <cite>SKARDAVNELNATE posted [p:958157059] in 22 y/o Gay... [t:79653916]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted... </cite> <quote>Why are you arguing against something nobody else is saying?</quote>It has been the subject from the onset. You think nobody else is saying it because you can't differentiate between disagreeing with someone in general and disagreeing with someone because of who they are. You see, adji, you are the bigot. adjl posted... </cite> <quote>People who aren't not dicks are dicks</quote>And I said they should be free to be dicks. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 09/17/21 9:38:36 PM #82:	SKARDAVNELNATE posted... It has been the subject from the onset. You think nobody else is saying it because you can't differentiate between disagreeing with someone in general and disagreeing with someone because of who they are. You see, adji, you are the bigot. But nobody's talking about disagreement. Everybody else is talking about harassment, which is very distinct from merely disagreeing with somebody. Moreover, yes, there is a distinct difference between disagreeing with somebody's opinions and disagreeing with somebody's existence. I'm well aware of that. The former is fine, the latter is horrible. You're the one that doesn't seem to understand the distinction, given that you keep conflating them. SKARDAVNELNATE posted... And I said they should be free to be dicks. While simultaneously claiming to not be defending homophobia. Pick a lane. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:958159049] in 22 y/o Gay... [t:79653916]...</cite> <quote>SKARDAVNELNATE posted... </cite> <quote>It has been the subject from the onset. You think nobody else is saying it because you can't differentiate between disagreeing with someone in general and disagreeing with someone because of who they are. You see, adji, you are the bigot.</quote> But nobody's talking about disagreement. Everybody else is talking about harassment, which is very distinct from merely disagreeing with somebody. Moreover, yes, there is a distinct difference between disagreeing with somebody's opinions and disagreeing with somebody's existence. I'm well aware of that. The former is fine, the latter is horrible. You're the one that doesn't seem to understand the distinction, given that you keep conflating them. SKARDAVNELNATE posted... </cite> <quote>And I said they should be free to be dicks.</quote> While simultaneously claiming to not be defending homophobia. Pick a lane. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 09/17/21 9:40:31 PM #83:	Imagine being such a bunch of insecure snowflakes that youre threatened by something by as benign as a pride flag --- my resting temp can easily be in the 90's -Krazy_Kirby <cite>Mead posted [p:958159093] in 22 y/o Gay... [t:79653916]...</cite> <quote>Imagine being such a bunch of insecure snowflakes that youre threatened by something by as benign as a pride flag </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SKARDAVNELNATE 09/17/21 10:03:05 PM #84:	adjl posted... I'm well aware of that. The former is fine, the latter is horrible. I've been very clear about which one I was talking about. Yet you have continued to make it about the other. adjl posted... While simultaneously claiming to not be defending homophobia. Homophobia is a specific reason, I said people should be able to be a dick for no reason. Tell me again that you know the difference. --- No locked doors, no windows barred. No more things to make my brain seem SKARD. Look at Mr. Technical over here >.> -BTB <cite>SKARDAVNELNATE posted [p:958159667] in 22 y/o Gay... [t:79653916]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted... </cite> <quote>I'm well aware of that. The former is fine, the latter is horrible.</quote>I've been very clear about which one I was talking about. Yet you have continued to make it about the other. adjl posted... </cite> <quote>While simultaneously claiming to not be defending homophobia.</quote>Homophobia is a specific reason, I said people should be able to be a dick for no reason. Tell me again that you know the difference. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 09/17/21 10:23:11 PM #85:	--- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:958160188] in 22 y/o Gay... [t:79653916]...</cite> <quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clench281 09/18/21 6:44:06 AM #86:	Mead posted... Imagine being such a bunch of insecure snowflakes that youre threatened by something by as benign as a pride flag When someone has no positive qualities to be proud of, they'll cling to "being straight" as the last defense to maintain a personal facade of superiority. --- Take me for what I am -- who I was meant to be. And if you give a damn, take me baby, or leave me. <cite>Clench281 posted [p:958167627] in 22 y/o Gay... [t:79653916]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted... </cite> <quote>Imagine being such a bunch of insecure snowflakes that youre threatened by something by as benign as a pride flag</quote> When someone has no positive qualities to be proud of, they'll cling to "being straight" as the last defense to maintain a personal facade of superiority. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 09/18/21 3:13:30 PM #87:	SKARDAVNELNATE posted... Homophobia is a specific reason, I said people should be able to be a dick for no reason. Homophobia is an action, not a reason. There is no reason for homophobia (not one that stands up to any sort of logical muster, at least), so every instance of being homophobic is being a dick for no reason. Of course, even then, kids generally aren't allowed to be dicks in classrooms (at least not on paper). Students are held to certain behavioural standards and disciplined for violating them. Very often, however, homophobia (et al) is ignored in those standards, usually because of systemic homophobia among the school's staff (that still being a rather widespread issue and all), so having a teacher explicitly indicate that they intend to hold homophobic harassment to the same standard as other harassment (which, you might note, is exactly the opposite of a double standard) does a lot to comfort LGBTQ students who might not otherwise experience that protection in their lives. That's all the pride flag means, and what a "safe space" is: a commitment to making sure that LGBTQ kids feel as safe as everyone else gets to. I don't know why you're so desperate to interpret it as a heinous assault on free speech, but that's a completely baseless overreaction. SKARDAVNELNATE posted... I've been very clear about which one I was talking about. Yet you have continued to make it about the other. And the one you're talking about is not what anyone else is talking about. Nobody's talking about being intolerant of dissenting opinions. Everybody's talking about being intolerant of disagreeing with people's existence. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:958177056] in 22 y/o Gay... [t:79653916]...</cite> <quote>SKARDAVNELNATE posted... </cite> <quote>Homophobia is a specific reason, I said people should be able to be a dick for no reason.</quote> Homophobia is an action, not a reason. There is no reason for homophobia (not one that stands up to any sort of logical muster, at least), so every instance of being homophobic is being a dick for no reason. Of course, even then, kids generally aren't allowed to be dicks in classrooms (at least not on paper). Students are held to certain behavioural standards and disciplined for violating them. Very often, however, homophobia (et al) is ignored in those standards, usually because of systemic homophobia among the school's staff (that still being a rather widespread issue and all), so having a teacher explicitly indicate that they intend to hold homophobic harassment to the same standard as other harassment (which, you might note, is exactly the opposite of a double standard) does a lot to comfort LGBTQ students who might not otherwise experience that protection in their lives. That's all the pride flag means, and what a "safe space" is: a commitment to making sure that LGBTQ kids feel as safe as everyone else gets to. I don't know why you're so desperate to interpret it as a heinous assault on free speech, but that's a completely baseless overreaction. SKARDAVNELNATE posted... </cite> <quote>I've been very clear about which one I was talking about. Yet you have continued to make it about the other.</quote> And the one you're talking about is not what anyone else is talking about. Nobody's talking about being intolerant of dissenting opinions. Everybody's talking about being intolerant of disagreeing with people's existence. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wwinterj25 09/18/21 5:22:01 PM #88:	adjl posted... To support his students. Duh. How is this not blatantly obvious to you? He can do that without putting a pride flag on display so I'm not buying that. Clench281 posted... When someone has no positive qualities to be proud of, they'll cling to "being straight" as the last defense to maintain a personal facade of superiority. I don't think that's limited to one sexuality. --- One who knows nothing can understand nothing. http://psnprofiles.com/wwinterj - https://imgur.com/guXxsmA <cite>wwinterj25 posted [p:958180389] in 22 y/o Gay... [t:79653916]...</cite> <quote> adjl posted... </cite> <quote>To support his students. Duh. How is this not blatantly obvious to you?</quote> He can do that without putting a pride flag on display so I'm not buying that. Clench281 posted... </cite> <quote>When someone has no positive qualities to be proud of, they'll cling to "being straight" as the last defense to maintain a personal facade of superiority.</quote> I don't think that's limited to one sexuality. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 09/18/21 5:24:09 PM #89:	wwinterj25 posted... He can do that without putting a pride flag on display so I'm not buying that. Probably. But he can also support them by putting the flag up... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:958180455] in 22 y/o Gay... [t:79653916]...</cite> <quote>wwinterj25 posted...</cite> <quote>He can do that without putting a pride flag on display so I'm not buying that. </quote> Probably. But he can also support them by putting the flag up...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wwinterj25 09/18/21 5:29:29 PM #90:	LinkPizza posted... Probably. But he can also support them by putting the flag up... Apparently not according to the school. --- One who knows nothing can understand nothing. http://psnprofiles.com/wwinterj - https://imgur.com/guXxsmA <cite>wwinterj25 posted [p:958180600] in 22 y/o Gay... [t:79653916]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Probably. But he can also support them by putting the flag up...</quote>Apparently not according to the school. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 09/18/21 5:30:02 PM #91:	wwinterj25 posted... He can do that without putting a pride flag on display so I'm not buying that. he can also just put up a pride flag considering theres nothing freaking wrong with that --- my resting temp can easily be in the 90's -Krazy_Kirby <cite>Mead posted [p:958180607] in 22 y/o Gay... [t:79653916]...</cite> <quote>wwinterj25 posted... </cite> <quote>He can do that without putting a pride flag on display so I'm not buying that.</quote> he can also just put up a pride flag considering theres nothing freaking wrong with that </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wwinterj25 09/18/21 5:34:11 PM #92:	Mead posted... he can also just put up a pride flag considering theres nothing freaking wrong with that It's a classroom. Some students didn't approve and he was also asked to sign a letter to not discuss sexuality in a classroom that has nothing todo with that subject. The school didn't support him it seems. --- One who knows nothing can understand nothing. http://psnprofiles.com/wwinterj - https://imgur.com/guXxsmA <cite>wwinterj25 posted [p:958180735] in 22 y/o Gay... [t:79653916]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted... </cite> <quote>he can also just put up a pride flag considering theres nothing freaking wrong with that</quote>It's a classroom. Some students didn't approve and he was also asked to sign a letter to not discuss sexuality in a classroom that has nothing todo with that subject. The school didn't support him it seems. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 09/18/21 5:34:32 PM #93:	wwinterj25 posted... Apparently not according to the school. The flag itself wasn't the problem, though. It was because the flag was a pride flag, which they somehow said was similar to a confederate flag. So, the flag itself wasn't the problem. The school hemophobia was... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:958180752] in 22 y/o Gay... [t:79653916]...</cite> <quote>wwinterj25 posted...</cite> <quote>Apparently not according to the school. </quote> The flag itself wasn't the problem, though. It was because the flag was a pride flag, which they somehow said was similar to a confederate flag. So, the flag itself wasn't the problem. The school hemophobia was...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 09/18/21 5:36:23 PM #94:	wwinterj25 posted... It's a classroom. Some students didn't approve and he was also asked to sign a letter to not discuss sexuality in a classroom that has nothing todo with that subject. The school didn't support him it seems. Not everybody approves of everything. And that's fine. Doesn't mean he needs to remove the flag... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:958180794] in 22 y/o Gay... [t:79653916]...</cite> <quote>wwinterj25 posted...</cite> <quote>It's a classroom. Some students didn't approve and he was also asked to sign a letter to not discuss sexuality in a classroom that has nothing todo with that subject. The school didn't support him it seems.</quote> Not everybody approves of everything. And that's fine. Doesn't mean he needs to remove the flag...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wwinterj25 09/18/21 5:41:11 PM #95:	LinkPizza posted... Not everybody approves of everything. And that's fine. Doesn't mean he needs to remove the flag... As he's got asked to sign a letter to not discuss sexuality I think removing the flag would go without saying otherwise he would have just kept it up. Plus the parents complaining can't help matters. --- One who knows nothing can understand nothing. http://psnprofiles.com/wwinterj - https://imgur.com/guXxsmA <cite>wwinterj25 posted [p:958180932] in 22 y/o Gay... [t:79653916]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Not everybody approves of everything. And that's fine. Doesn't mean he needs to remove the flag...</quote>As he's got asked to sign a letter to not discuss sexuality I think removing the flag would go without saying otherwise he would have just kept it up. Plus the parents complaining can't help matters. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 09/18/21 5:46:40 PM #96:	wwinterj25 posted... He can do that without putting a pride flag on display so I'm not buying that. You can do lots of things without doing lots of other things. Life is rarely so rigid that there's only one way to accomplish a given goal. wwinterj25 posted... It's a classroom. Some students didn't approve and he was also asked to sign a letter to not discuss sexuality in a classroom that has nothing todo with that subject. The school didn't support him it seems. Which is more a reflection of the intolerant culture in which he lives than an indication that he did anything wrong. If anything, that actually means advertising himself as supportive of LGBTQ students (particularly those that have yet to come out) is even more important, since it's unlikely they'll get that support from anyone else around them. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:958181063] in 22 y/o Gay... [t:79653916]...</cite> <quote>wwinterj25 posted... </cite> <quote>He can do that without putting a pride flag on display so I'm not buying that.</quote> You can do lots of things without doing lots of other things. Life is rarely so rigid that there's only one way to accomplish a given goal. wwinterj25 posted... </cite> <quote>It's a classroom. Some students didn't approve and he was also asked to sign a letter to not discuss sexuality in a classroom that has nothing todo with that subject. The school didn't support him it seems.</quote> Which is more a reflection of the intolerant culture in which he lives than an indication that he did anything wrong. If anything, that actually means advertising himself as supportive of LGBTQ students (particularly those that have yet to come out) is even more important, since it's unlikely they'll get that support from anyone else around them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wwinterj25 09/18/21 5:56:15 PM #97:	adjl posted... You can do lots of things without doing lots of other things. Life is rarely so rigid that there's only one way to accomplish a given goal. Then he could have found a alternative if he really wanted to support some of his students. I think talking with the school about this before doing it wouldn't have been a bad idea too. Maybe his next job he could be a support worker. Which is more a reflection of the intolerant culture in which he lives than an indication that he did anything wrong. Well at least one lesson was learned on that day. :3 --- One who knows nothing can understand nothing. http://psnprofiles.com/wwinterj - https://imgur.com/guXxsmA <cite>wwinterj25 posted [p:958181281] in 22 y/o Gay... [t:79653916]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted... </cite> <quote>You can do lots of things without doing lots of other things. Life is rarely so rigid that there's only one way to accomplish a given goal.</quote> Then he could have found a alternative if he really wanted to support some of his students. I think talking with the school about this before doing it wouldn't have been a bad idea too. Maybe his next job he could be a support worker. <quote>Which is more a reflection of the intolerant culture in which he lives than an indication that he did anything wrong. </quote> Well at least one lesson was learned on that day. :3 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 09/18/21 5:57:01 PM #98:	wwinterj25 posted... As he's got asked to sign a letter to not discuss sexuality I think removing the flag would go without saying otherwise he would have just kept it up. Plus the parents complaining can't help matters. I think the reason he removed the flag was probably because they asked him to... Or made him feel so uncomfortable that he had to move it. And having to sign the letter was also dumb. Sexuality is something that could come up in any type of play. And not talking about sexuality should be attached to all sexualities. But it's not because the school doesn't care if you talk about heterosexuality. Just about others that aren't that... And parents complaining should matter that much. Parents complain about everything. And usually from both sides. You can't make every parent happy because they all want completely different things... wwinterj25 posted... Then he could have found a alternative if he really wanted to support some of his students. Probably not. Given how the school doesn't seem very tolerate, they probably would have kept asking him to remove anything that helped him show any support. They probably would have asked him to remove a picture of him and an SO if he brought one in, even though other teachers had them because his didn't promote heterosexuality... wwinterj25 posted... Maybe his next job he could be a support worker. Or at a better school that's allow acceptance... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:958181299] in 22 y/o Gay... [t:79653916]...</cite> <quote>wwinterj25 posted...</cite> <quote>As he's got asked to sign a letter to not discuss sexuality I think removing the flag would go without saying otherwise he would have just kept it up. Plus the parents complaining can't help matters. </quote> I think the reason he removed the flag was probably because they asked him to... Or made him feel so uncomfortable that he had to move it. And having to sign the letter was also dumb. Sexuality is something that could come up in any type of play. And not talking about sexuality should be attached to all sexualities. But it's not because the school doesn't care if you talk about heterosexuality. Just about others that aren't that... And parents complaining should matter that much. Parents complain about everything. And usually from both sides. You can't make every parent happy because they all want completely different things... wwinterj25 posted...</cite> <quote>Then he could have found a alternative if he really wanted to support some of his students.</quote> Probably not. Given how the school doesn't seem very tolerate, they probably would have kept asking him to remove anything that helped him show any support. They probably would have asked him to remove a picture of him and an SO if he brought one in, even though other teachers had them because his didn't promote heterosexuality... wwinterj25 posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe his next job he could be a support worker.</quote> Or at a better school that's allow acceptance...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wwinterj25 09/18/21 6:12:19 PM #99:	LinkPizza posted... And having to sign the letter was also dumb. Sexuality is something that could come up in any type of play. And not talking about sexuality should be attached to all sexualities. But it's not because the school doesn't care if you talk about heterosexuality. Just about others that aren't that... I've no issue discussing sexuality if it has relevance to what you're current teaching. A play for example so I agree asking him to sign a letter is indeed dumb. However a pride flag hung up doesn't have any relevance to what this guy taught so it's no surprise it brought this kind of attention. Personal life should be kept outside of a classroom unless it's effecting a student for whatever reason and in that case a one on one chat would be more beneficial. And parents complaining should matter that much. Parents complain about everything. And usually from both sides. You can't make every parent happy because they all want completely different things... While it's true you can't please everyone this "issue" could have been avoided and intentionally causing drama with some parents and students probably isn't in the schools best interest. Or at a better school that's allow acceptance... I guess everyone wins here then. --- One who knows nothing can understand nothing. http://psnprofiles.com/wwinterj - https://imgur.com/guXxsmA <cite>wwinterj25 posted [p:958181660] in 22 y/o Gay... [t:79653916]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>And having to sign the letter was also dumb. Sexuality is something that could come up in any type of play. And not talking about sexuality should be attached to all sexualities. But it's not because the school doesn't care if you talk about heterosexuality. Just about others that aren't that...</quote> I've no issue discussing sexuality if it has relevance to what you're current teaching. A play for example so I agree asking him to sign a letter is indeed dumb. However a pride flag hung up doesn't have any relevance to what this guy taught so it's no surprise it brought this kind of attention. Personal life should be kept outside of a classroom unless it's effecting a student for whatever reason and in that case a one on one chat would be more beneficial. <quote>And parents complaining should matter that much. Parents complain about everything. And usually from both sides. You can't make every parent happy because they all want completely different things...</quote> While it's true you can't please everyone this "issue" could have been avoided and intentionally causing drama with some parents and students probably isn't in the schools best interest. <quote>Or at a better school that's allow acceptance...</quote> I guess everyone wins here then. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 09/18/21 6:15:25 PM #100:	wwinterj25 posted... Then he could have found a alternative if he really wanted to support some of his students. The school would have shot them down as well. The flag isn't the problem, it's him implying that people shouldn't be ashamed to be gay. wwinterj25 posted... I guess everyone wins here then. Except all the gay kids at the old school that will continue to suffer and have nobody supporting them. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:958181760] in 22 y/o Gay... [t:79653916]...</cite> <quote>wwinterj25 posted... </cite> <quote>Then he could have found a alternative if he really wanted to support some of his students.</quote> The school would have shot them down as well. The flag isn't the problem, it's him implying that people shouldn't be ashamed to be gay. wwinterj25 posted... </cite> <quote>I guess everyone wins here then.</quote> Except all the gay kids at the old school that will continue to suffer and have nobody supporting them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 09/18/21 6:25:24 PM #101:	wwinterj25 posted... I've no issue discussing sexuality if it has relevance to what you're current teaching. A play for example so I agree asking him to sign a letter is indeed dumb. However a pride flag hung up doesn't have any relevance to what this guy taught so it's no surprise it brought this kind of attention. Personal life should be kept outside of a classroom unless it's effecting a student for whatever reason and in that case a one on one chat would be more beneficial. And also, did he actually discuss sexuality. It sounds more like he just told his students what happened, and the school said not to talk about sexuality, which was a way of him not being able to tell the students what happened... And a pride flag hanging up has about as much relevance as a picture of someone's family, which they are allowed to have. Again, this isn't an issue with the flag. This seems to be an issue with him being gay... And again, you keep saying personal life should be kept out of the classroom. Not only is that totally inaccurate, but that's not even what the school wants. They allow teachers to bring in personal pictures of their home life. And some may even have flags from their country of origin. It's only the gay guy with a pride flag that was singled out. They aren't going to make other teachers remove their personal pictures. There would be outrage if that happened. If you want to use the dumb personal life argument, it should apply to ALL teachers. Not just the gay ones... And most of the students seemed fine with it. They even wanted to know where it went... wwinterj25 posted... While it's true you can't please everyone this "issue" could have been avoided and intentionally causing drama with some parents and students probably isn't in the schools best interest. This could have been avoided by the school not saying homophobic remarks like comparing the pride flag with the confederate flag. Him bringing in the flag wasn't the cause of the drama. Homophobia was... wwinterj25 posted... I guess everyone wins here then. Not really. The people who are getting bulled at the school because the school doesn't seem to care about acceptance lose here... And there's not guarantee he'll get another job. So, I guess the homosexual people and people getting bullied for other reasons counts as everybody winning for you... Also, everyone else who has to keep hiding their sexuality in fear of losing their job because if anyone ever somehow finds out their SO is the same sex, something bad will happen, even if they never told anyone else... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:958182063] in 22 y/o Gay... [t:79653916]...</cite> <quote>wwinterj25 posted...</cite> <quote>I've no issue discussing sexuality if it has relevance to what you're current teaching. A play for example so I agree asking him to sign a letter is indeed dumb. However a pride flag hung up doesn't have any relevance to what this guy taught so it's no surprise it brought this kind of attention. Personal life should be kept outside of a classroom unless it's effecting a student for whatever reason and in that case a one on one chat would be more beneficial.</quote> And also, did he actually discuss sexuality. It sounds more like he just told his students what happened, and the school said not to talk about sexuality, which was a way of him not being able to tell the students what happened... And a pride flag hanging up has about as much relevance as a picture of someone's family, which they are allowed to have. Again, this isn't an issue with the flag. This seems to be an issue with him being gay... And again, you keep saying personal life should be kept out of the classroom. Not only is that totally inaccurate, but that's not even what the school wants. They allow teachers to bring in personal pictures of their home life. And some may even have flags from their country of origin. It's only the gay guy with a pride flag that was singled out. They aren't going to make other teachers remove their personal pictures. There would be outrage if that happened. If you want to use the dumb personal life argument, it should apply to ALL teachers. Not just the gay ones... And most of the students seemed fine with it. They even wanted to know where it went... wwinterj25 posted...</cite> <quote>While it's true you can't please everyone this "issue" could have been avoided and intentionally causing drama with some parents and students probably isn't in the schools best interest.</quote> This could have been avoided by the school not saying homophobic remarks like comparing the pride flag with the confederate flag. Him bringing in the flag wasn't the cause of the drama. Homophobia was... wwinterj25 posted...</cite> <quote>I guess everyone wins here then.</quote> Not really. The people who are getting bulled at the school because the school doesn't seem to care about acceptance lose here... And there's not guarantee he'll get another job. So, I guess the homosexual people and people getting bullied for other reasons counts as everybody winning for you... Also, everyone else who has to keep hiding their sexuality in fear of losing their job because if anyone ever somehow finds out their SO is the same sex, something bad will happen, even if they never told anyone else...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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