Poll of the Day > 22 y/o Gay Teacher QUITS cause Parents accuse of him teaching Kids to be GAY!!!

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Mead
09/18/21 6:35:49 PM
#102:


wwinterj25 posted...
Some students didn't approve

oh fucking well

maybe they should get over it

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wwinterj25
09/18/21 6:38:38 PM
#103:


LinkPizza posted...
If you want to use the dumb personal life argument, it should apply to ALL teachers. Not just the gay ones...

It should yes. I'm happy you understood what I typed. Dumb argument to you. Great one for me as it'll help avoid these kind of dramas where the students being taught should be a priority and not intentionally caused outrage because of someones personal life.

This could have been avoided by the school not saying homophobic remarks like comparing the pride flag with the confederate flag. Him bringing in the flag wasn't the cause of the drama. Homophobia was.
The flag would only fuel the allegedly homophobic folk. The parents, students and probably school. It's all part of the parcel.

Not really. The people who are getting bulled at the school because the school doesn't seem to care about acceptance lose here... And there's not guarantee he'll get another job. So, I guess the homosexual people and people getting bullied for other reasons counts as everybody winning for you...

Folk get bullied at school no matter what.

Mead posted...
oh fucking well

maybe they should get over it

Oh they did I suppose now he's gone.

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Mead
09/18/21 6:48:34 PM
#104:


wwinterj25 posted...
Oh they did I suppose now he's gone.

wonder how long they can go acting like gay people dont exist until they reach another crisis they cant tolerate

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LinkPizza
09/18/21 6:49:37 PM
#105:


wwinterj25 posted...
It should yes. I'm happy you understood what I typed. Dumb argument to you. Great one for me as it'll help avoid these kind of dramas where the students being taught should be a priority and intentionally caused outrage because of someones personal life.

Except the only person who seems to care about personal lives being involve in work is you. Schools and most workplaces have never cared about that. Which is why many places of work allow people to decorate their workspace. With all kinds of things like pictures of families and such. But they only allow it if they like it and it's non-offensive. And the pride flag isn't offensive. So, it seems like they just don't like knowing gay people exist or something. It was never about understanding you post. You're just wrong and you know it... All your statements do is make you sound more homophobic, or less knowledgeable about people and how the world works... You seem to be the only person who ever says something about keeping personal lives (including pictures and flags) out of the workplace. The school obviously doesn't care about that. They only care about him being gay, it seems... If they cared about personal lives involved in the school, family pictures wouldn't be allowed, but they are, so all this shit about keeping personal lives out of the school doesn't even matter since that's not even the issue...

wwinterj25 posted...
The flag would only fuel the allegedly homophobic folk. The parents, students and probably school. It's all part of the parcel.

The flag would also help to teach tolerance and acceptance to the students, which would also lower the amount of homophobia. Especially is=f a bunch of straight students helped all the LGBT+ students... By removing the flag, you're basically telling all your students it's ok to bully gay students because the school doesn't like them...

wwinterj25 posted...
Folk get bullied at school no matter what.

Yeah. But if there's a way to limit it, that's good. And what this teacher was trying to do was to help limit it. What the school did will help to increase it... Which is back. So more people lose in this situation...
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wwinterj25
09/18/21 7:00:16 PM
#106:




Mead posted...
wonder how long they can go acting like gay people dont exist until they reach another crisis they cant tolerate
Who knows? Some folk grow as people while others simply stay in a certain mindset.

LinkPizza posted...
Except the only person who seems to care about personal lives being involve in work is you.

Sadly this is true so these issues will continue.

By removing the flag, you're basically telling all your students it's ok to bully gay students because the school doesn't like them...

A flag wouldn't stop this from happening but you don't need a flag to teach any form of bullying, for whatever reason shouldn't be tolerated.

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LinkPizza
09/18/21 7:07:50 PM
#107:


wwinterj25 posted...
Sadly this is true so these issues will continue.

Except personal lives in the workplace ISN'T an issue. You just keep pretending like it is. When it's something like pictures or flags, it's not an issue... That's why no one cares. You're just trying to make up issue that don't exist now...

wwinterj25 posted...
A flag wouldn't stop this from happening but you don't need a flag to teach any form of bullying, for whatever reason shouldn't be tolerated.

The flag itself doesn't stop it. But it was enough to show support, and offer a safe space. But the school removing the flag, they are teaching their students that intolerance is ok... Which is the opposite of what the teacher was using the flag to teach... The flag was to show support. But by the school removing the flag, that are teaching intolerance...

wwinterj25 posted...
Seems you do have a hard time understanding my posts are for sure enjoy reaching.

No. I understand what your post are incorrectly saying...
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Mead
09/18/21 7:11:59 PM
#108:


I dont care about this issue

argues about it pedantically and relentlessly

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wwinterj25
09/18/21 7:17:07 PM
#109:


LinkPizza posted...
Except personal lives in the workplace ISN'T an issue. You just keep pretending like it is. When it's something like pictures or flags, it's not an issue... That's why no one cares. You're just trying to make up issue that don't exist now...

It's more a possible solution to prevent issues. Don't think I've ever stated otherwise. Also it clearly bothers you that I suggest such a thing.

No. I understand what your post are incorrectly saying...

That for sure is a compelling argument. Link disagrees so I must be incorrect.


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LinkPizza
09/18/21 7:23:03 PM
#110:


wwinterj25 posted...
It's more a possible solution to prevent issues. Don't think I've ever stated otherwise. Also it clearly bothers you that I suggest such a thing.

If people weren't dicks, that would solve the problems. For example, if there was no homophobia, this wouldn't be a problem. We shouldn't let intolerance solve problems. Acceptance and tolerance should be the solution. You're acting like hiding is the best solution, when it's actually the worst. We want to be treated as equals instead of having to hide out whole lives. That's why we try to get rid of intolerance. I shouldn't have to hide my sexuality and lie when people ask about dating just to stay employed... You seem to think otherwise, though. And that's definitely closer to homophobic thinking...

wwinterj25 posted...
That for sure is a compelling argument. Link disagrees so I must be incorrect.

It's not that. Some of you statements are just plain wrong...
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wwinterj25
09/18/21 7:37:44 PM
#111:


LinkPizza posted...
If people weren't dicks, that would solve the problems.

That would solve most issues sure.

I should have to hide my sexuality and lie when people ask about dating just to stay employed... You seem to think otherwise, though. And that's definitely closer to homophobic thinking...

So I'll say it again and more clearly so you understand. Everyone should keep their person life outside of a workplace in my opinion to help avoid issues like this. You're doing nothing but reaching when you claim someone is homophobic just because they don't agree with you or suggest something you don't agree with.

LinkPizza posted...
It's not that. Some of you statements are just plain wrong...

Ah. That for sure told me.

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Mead
09/18/21 7:39:23 PM
#112:


wwinterj25 posted...
Everyone should keep their person life outside of a workplace in my opinion.

easy to say when you dont have one

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wwinterj25
09/18/21 7:40:45 PM
#113:


Mead posted...
easy to say when you dont have one
What's your job again?

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Mead
09/18/21 7:43:57 PM
#114:


wwinterj25 posted...
What's your job again?

walking along Huntington Beach as the sun sets, listening to the waves and feeling the breeze

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wwinterj25
09/18/21 7:46:21 PM
#115:


Mead posted...
walking along Huntington Beach as the sun sets, listening to the waves and feeling the breeze
Thought so.

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Mead
09/18/21 7:49:59 PM
#116:


wwinterj25 posted...
Thought so.

Never have I claimed otherwise my dude, keep on seething tho

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LinkPizza
09/18/21 7:52:04 PM
#117:


wwinterj25 posted...
So I'll say it again and more clearly so you understand. Everyone should keep their person life outside of a workplace in my opinion to help avoid issues like this. You're doing nothing but reaching when you claim someone is homophobic just because they don't agree with you or suggest something you don't agree with.

Except that's wrong. No one should have to keep their personal lives out of the workplace. That doesn't solve any issues. The issue is still there. It's just hidden. And that helps no one. And honestly, people sometimes work better when they talk about personal lives at work. I work better with people I feel comfortable with. Many people do. And that comes from talking to a person and getting to know them. Knowing someone's personal life comes with knowing them. And that can help to improve work relations. That's why there's no reason to keep personal lives away from work. And again, this isn't about personal lives. Nobody cares about personal lives. They just didn't like the fact that he was gay. And that shouldn't matter. Because even if you don't talk about personal lives at work, somebody could spread the rumor that he's gay at work if they see him out with their SO, which could still cause him to lose his job, even though he never mentioned it. But he also shouldn't have to hide away like a hermit to keep his job... And I'm not reaching The reason I'm saying people are homophobic are because of the homophonic remarks...
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adjl
09/18/21 7:53:34 PM
#118:


wwinterj25 posted...
Everyone should keep their person life outside of a workplace in my opinion.

That's a nice ideal, but that's really not how anything works. Work is not 100% serious all the time. People routinely have casual conversations with coworkers and clients (which would include students, in the case of a teacher) about things that are not work-related, including their personal lives. That doesn't mean they're wasting time, that means they're engaging in normal human interaction with each other in the process of getting their work done. If anything, workplaces that do actually prohibit such discussions tend to be absolutely miserable because nobody has a chance to develop relationships with each other and that kind of persistent social isolation is pretty bad for people.

For that matter, most teachers make a point of introducing themselves at the start of the year and giving a bit of personal background on themselves (including mentioning their spouse, in many cases, which would implicitly disclose their sexual preference) for the sake of establishing a personal relationship with their students instead of being a robotic talking head that mindlessly parrots the curriculum and occasionally yells at them. That's healthy and normal and there's really no reason to discourage that.

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wwinterj25
09/18/21 7:54:31 PM
#119:


Mead posted...
Never have I claimed otherwise my dude, keep on seething tho
I mean pointing out someone is unemployed while you are yourself seems hypocritical and really doesn't change anything I've said or add to the discussion at all. The mentality of not discussing something you haven't got or done seems a odd one. Even more so here. Oh well.

LinkPizza posted...
And I'm not reaching The reason I'm saying people are homophobic are because of the homophonic remarks...

You should mark those hypothetical homophobic remarks I made that warrants you claiming I'm such a thing in that case.


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adjl
09/18/21 7:58:48 PM
#120:


wwinterj25 posted...
I mean pointing out someone is unemployed while you are yourself seems hypocritical and really doesn't change anything I've said or add to the discussion at all.

It's hypocritical if he's judging you for it. If he's offering that as an explanation for why you might be having difficulty grasping how it works, though, that's fair game.

wwinterj25 posted...
The mentality of not discussing something you haven't got or done seems a odd one.

Generally speaking, if people that have done a thing are telling you how that thing works, and you're telling them that they're wrong because you don't think it should work that way based on your hypothetical picture of how it might work, you aren't going to be saying anything correct. Exceptions exist, of course, but you should typically approach such disagreements by asking questions to help you develop a better understanding and resolve what you perceive to be inconsistencies. If you approach it by insisting that you must be right and all these people that are actually experiencing it are wrong, you just look like a tool.

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Mead
09/18/21 7:59:55 PM
#121:


wwinterj25 posted...
I mean pointing out someone is unemployed while you are yourself seems hypocritical

at no time did I point out that someone was not employed. I dont know your life dude I wasnt even aware of the fact that you arent working.

So maybe work on those comprehension skills

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wwinterj25
09/18/21 8:03:24 PM
#122:


adjl posted...
If he's offering that as an explanation for why you might be having difficulty grasping how it works, though, that's fair game.

As I've worked before not really.

Generally speaking, if people that have done a thing are telling you how that thing works, and you're telling them that they're wrong because you don't think it should work that way based on your hypothetical picture of how it might work, you aren't going to be saying anything correct.

Sure.


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LinkPizza
09/18/21 8:03:58 PM
#123:


wwinterj25 posted...
As I've worked before not really.

And Mead has, as well...
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wwinterj25
09/18/21 8:05:52 PM
#124:


Mead posted...
at no time did I point out that someone was not employed. I dont know your life dude I wasnt even aware of the fact that you arent working.

So maybe work on those comprehension skills


Mead posted...
easy to say when you dont have one

How else would I take this post you made to my quote?


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adjl
09/18/21 8:06:08 PM
#125:


wwinterj25 posted...
As I've worked before not really.

Then you can rebut that with "my previous work experience has been ___," which is generally a lot more productive than "you're a hypocrite."

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wwinterj25
09/18/21 8:07:34 PM
#126:


adjl posted...
Then you can rebut that with "my previous work experience has been ___," which is generally a lot more productive than "you're a hypocrite."
I could do a lot of things. Doesn't mean I will.

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Mead
09/18/21 8:11:19 PM
#127:


wwinterj25 posted...
How else would I take this post you made to my quote?

maybe reread your statement and the response to it, which thing does it sound like I am referring to?

wwinterj25 posted...
Everyone should keep their person life outside of a workplace in my opinion to help avoid issues like this.


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wwinterj25
09/18/21 8:14:49 PM
#128:


Mead posted...
maybe reread your statement and the response to it, which thing does it sound like I am referring to?
My interpretation remains the same. Elaborate if you're post wasn't what I think or we are at a stalemate here.

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Mead
09/18/21 8:16:37 PM
#129:


wwinterj25 posted...
My interpretation remains the same. Elaborate if you're post wasn't what I think or we are at a stalemate here.

im unfortunately all out of my allotted fucks to give about you for the time being

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wwinterj25
09/18/21 8:18:23 PM
#130:


Mead posted...
im unfortunately all out of my allotted fucks to give about you for the time being
So I was right. Got it. Now off you go.

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adjl
09/18/21 8:18:40 PM
#131:


wwinterj25 posted...
I could do a lot of things. Doesn't mean I will.

If you're not going to discuss things productively, you shouldn't be surprised when your discussions don't go anywhere.

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Clench281
09/18/21 8:19:33 PM
#132:


Having a pride flag in your class doesn't even mean that you're gay

Just that you support sexual and gender minorities

Would you be opposed to a sign that says "no student should be made to feel threatened because of their gender or sexual identity" ?

Would you be opposed to a sign that says "no student should be made to feel threatened because of their skin color" ?


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Mead
09/18/21 8:21:45 PM
#133:


I dont care about the issue Im just uncomfortable with any reminder that gay people exist and should be treated like anyone else

-way too many fuckin people

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wwinterj25
09/18/21 8:21:58 PM
#134:


adjl posted...
If you're not going to discuss things productively, you shouldn't be surprised when your discussions don't go anywhere.
I've been enlightened it seems.

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adjl
09/18/21 8:22:58 PM
#135:


Mead posted...
I dont care about the issue Im just uncomfortable with any reminder that gay people exist and should be treated like anyone else

-way too many fuckin people

Alternatively, "I'm tired of people making any sort of big deal out of something that has never and will never personally affect me."

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SKARDAVNELNATE
09/19/21 12:29:32 AM
#136:


adjl posted...
Homophobia is an action, not a reason.
Someone can be a dick to another person because of homophobia. Or they can be a dick to another person because of any reason other than homophobia. Thus homophobia is a reason.

adjl posted...
so every instance of being homophobic is being a dick for no reason.
You can have an opinion about someone without being a dick to them. Homophobia is just an opinion someone holds. Which they might or might not act on. I'm getting a deeper impression that you don't understand the thing you're talking about.

adjl posted...
And the one you're talking about is not what anyone else is talking about.
So you realize I'm talking about something different. Yet you keep replying to me as if I'm talking about the same thing as everyone else. This hasn't demonstrated that you understand the difference. You said you did, but it seems like you don't.

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adjl
09/19/21 12:56:24 PM
#137:


SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
Someone can be a dick to another person because of homophobia. Or they can be a dick to another person because of any reason other than homophobia. Thus homophobia is a reason.

At best, you can claim that homphobia is an attitude that can be the reason for actions, but there's no reason for that attitude. Thus, there is no reason for homophobia, meaning homophobia cannot be the fundamental reason for anything.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
So you realize I'm talking about something different. Yet you keep replying to me as if I'm talking about the same thing as everyone else. This hasn't demonstrated that you understand the difference. You said you did, but it seems like you don't.

I operated under the assumption that you came into this topic to discuss what everyone else was discussing, not go off on some irrelevant tangent to argue against a position nobody was holding, so I treated your argument as though you believed them to be one and the same. When it became apparent that you were genuinely confused, I pointed out that you were talking about something different that had nothing to do with the subject at hand, and you insisted that other people were talking about it (post #81). Now you're telling me that I don't understand the difference I pointed out to you?

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wwinterj25
09/19/21 1:30:03 PM
#138:


The poll results are interesting.

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SKARDAVNELNATE
09/19/21 6:02:28 PM
#139:


adjl posted...
I operated under the assumption that you came into this topic to discuss what everyone else was discussing
I did, the pride flag and what it is being used to represent.

adjl posted...
not go off on some irrelevant tangent to argue against a position nobody was holding
I voiced my own opinion about the subject, and I quoting Lokarin once to build off something he said. The rest of my posts have been to support my own opinion after arguments were made against a position I held.

adjl posted...
so I treated your argument as though you believed them to be one and the same.
Go back and read post 35 and 41. Then tell me how you thought I was treating disagreeing with someone in general and disagreeing with someone because of who they are as the same thing.

adjl posted...
you insisted that other people were talking about it (post #81)
Go back and read LinkPizza's posts. They appear to have understood the type of a disagreement I meant.

adjl posted...
Now you're telling me that I don't understand the difference I pointed out to you?
I used the word disagree in post 35 pointing out the difference in what we were arguing then.
"disagree with something someone says"
I again pointed out the differences in posts 39, 41, 58, and 61. It's not until post 63 that you started to realize I wasn't talking about disagreeinging with who someone is. I knew which one I meant. You've been saying that disagreeing in general is harassment, hatred, discrimination, intolerance, and homophobia.

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LinkPizza
09/19/21 6:11:48 PM
#140:


Clench281 posted...
Having a pride flag in your class doesn't even mean that you're gay

Just that you support sexual and gender minorities

Yeah. I mention this earlier And he claimed that the only reason to have one up to support a family member as a teacher was to push and agenda
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wwinterj25
09/19/21 9:29:57 PM
#141:


LinkPizza posted...
And he claimed that the only reason to have one up to support a family member as a teacher was to push and agenda

In this case it seems to be that as it's not needed. I understand you're a argumentative homosexual but sexuality doesn't need representation in a classroom. I'd say this about any sexuality as we have already established. I see with the eyes wide open.


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LinkPizza
09/19/21 9:38:24 PM
#142:


wwinterj25 posted...
In this case it seems to be that as it's not needed. I understand you're a argumentative homosexual

Wow! Stereotyping! But Im not surprised this is coming from you after everything else youve said in this topic

wwinterj25 posted...
but sexuality doesn't need representation in a classroom. I'd say this about any sexuality as we have already established. I see with the eyes wide open.

And sexuality can be mentioned in a classroom. Its a part of us. Theres nothing wrong with it
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wwinterj25
09/19/21 9:46:12 PM
#143:


LinkPizza posted...
Wow! Stereotyping! But Im not surprised this is coming from you after everything else youve said in this topic

Is what I said not true? Yet you assume I'm homophobic based on nothing. At this point I'd say I'm slightly bisexual but yeah that not the discussion here.

And sexuality can be mentioned in a classroom. Its a part of us. Theres nothing wrong with it

This school disagrees. Despite my personal opinion the facts remain.

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LinkPizza
09/19/21 10:04:47 PM
#144:


wwinterj25 posted...
Is what I said not true? Yet you assume I'm homophobic based on nothing. At this point I'd say I'm slightly bisexual but yeah that not the discussion here.

I assume youre homophobic because of the way you are talking about gays and sexuality in this topic. You called me an argumentative homosexual which is a stereotype used to insult gay people. And I do argue when I dont agree with something, which is something people (straight and gay) do. SoC to call someone an argumentative homosexual is kind of a homophobic remark, if were being honest

wwinterj25 posted...
This school disagrees. Despite my personal opinion the facts remain.

Except the school doesnt agree. Saying it again and again doesnt make it true. The school is homophobic, so doesnt like GAY sexuality being discussed, but theyre fine with heterosexual sexuality being discussed. They dont care that the straight teachers have pictures of their spouses, and talked about being married to them. Only the gay guy since its not normal So, your facts are just plain wrong If they didnt want sexuality discussed in the school, they wouldnt let straight teachers bei Finn pictures, either. They would have to stop kids from dating. And all that. Since that would be really hard, and probably cost them more teachers and students, they are ok with it Unless its gay, then they get rid of it
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wwinterj25
09/19/21 10:10:51 PM
#145:


LinkPizza posted...
I assume youre homophobic because of the way you are talking about gays and sexuality in this topic. You called me an argumentative homosexual which is a stereotype used to insult gay people.

Yet you're homosexual and making a argument out of nothing here.

Except the school doesnt agree.

You've literally said they are homophobic. It's almost like you want to argue for the sake of it despite me stating I agree they are and sexuality needs to be kept out of a workplace. I like you as a poster but shit you need to calm down fella.


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LinkPizza
09/19/21 10:20:44 PM
#146:


wwinterj25 posted...
Yet you're homosexual and making a argument out of nothing here.

Its not over nothing. Unlike you, I think this is a big deal, as its a school thats teaching intolerance. And other straight people have been arguing, too Yet you call me out specifically. So, it feels like a homophobic insult

wwinterj25 posted...
You've literally said they are homophobic. It's almost like you want to argue for the sake of it despite me stating I agree they are and sexuality needs to be kept out of a workplace. I like you as a poster but shit you need to calm down fella.

With the way the school is acting, they sure seem homophobic. Especially since the stuff they did only seems to affect the gay teacher, and possibly the gay students And I disagree. Sexuality is a part of being human. It will literally never be kept out of schools. People will talk about SOs and who they are dating, which is part of sexuality. I dont know why you think this. Barely anyone thinks this because its literally a dumb idea. Stuff like doesnt need to be hidden, nor will it ever be And I wont calm down when people say dumb stuff like the stuff you spewing
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wwinterj25
09/19/21 10:28:25 PM
#147:


LinkPizza posted...
Its not over nothing. Unlike you, I think this is a big deal, as its a school thats teaching intolerance. And other straight people have been arguing, too Yet you call me out specifically. So, it feels like a homophobic insult

You need to understand sexuality means nothing to me and I've never said it did in someones personal life.

With the way the school is acting,

So when I agree with you you still argue?

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Mead
09/19/21 10:28:36 PM
#148:


wwinterj25 posted...
It's almost like you want to argue for the sake of it

now who does this sound like

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wwinterj25
09/19/21 10:30:32 PM
#149:


Mead posted...
now who does this sound like
You need to block me again.

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Mead
09/19/21 10:31:31 PM
#150:


wwinterj25 posted...
You need to block me again.

Dont feel the need

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LinkPizza
09/19/21 10:32:10 PM
#151:


wwinterj25 posted...
You need to understand sexuality means nothing to me and I've never said it did in someones personal life.

Sexuality means something to me, and to many other people. Especially when its something people would like to ruin my life over

wwinterj25 posted...
So when I agree with you you still argue?

Because we arent agreeing. Youre saying sexuality needs to be kept out of things. And I dont agree. Thats why Im arguing with you
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