Current Events > It bothers me so much during Covid that people in the UK still don't tip.

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If you want to go to the Salad Bar you have to stand 3 feet away and bark orders at some tiny teenage waitress to grab everything you want.

And the drinks are no longer self service so the girls (who are understaffed) are run off their feet doing it for every table as well as the generic day to say table service.

Imagine the shit they deal with all day every day from idiots and anti vaxxers and conservatives who refuse to use the app or follow the rules and insult them. On top of an intense workload and the possibility of getting sick or being fired due to everything closing down.

Then if you leave these guys a tip, people just glare at you like I was trying to hump a Guinea pig and are just like "it's not mandatory, that's why it's more expensive (I always rag on it for being expensive to eat out to wind them up. Burger King is like 7.50 here which is like $13) so you dont tip" And nobody tips delivery people.

I don't like this hostile anti tipping culture during normal times but now more than ever just give these dudes a tip. There's a damn pandemic going on.

I was at Frankie and Benny's with a group , we each paid our own way and I was literally the only one who tipped. It's a joke.

What's a tenner to you? To that single mother working there it's the difference between whether or not the radiator is on tonight.



Why be so cheap? Show some compassion.

Tip your waitress man.

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Its true. Tipping in England is reserved for exceptional service, not for regular standard service.

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Bass_X0 posted...

Its true. Tipping in England is reserved for exceptional service, not for regular standard service.

A tuppance for a shoe shine sound right?

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Bass_X0 posted...

Its true. Tipping in England is reserved for exceptional service, not for regular standard service.

All service during a pandemic is defecto exceptional IMO

But I think people should tip table service even during normal times

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People get pretty arrogant at the idea of tipping being required. They like the idea that they have power over someone else's financial well being and wish to hold that hostage. Then they don't tip very well and expect the worker to be extremely grateful and give them too notch service. Yet, they're in like the bottom 20% of tippers and just come off like an entitled jerk to the worker.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

...feet...tiny teenage waitress

...girls...their feet

hm

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Presumably their employers actually pay them a reasonable amount of money for the work they do

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eston posted...

Presumably their employers actually pay them a reasonable amount of money for the work they do

Aka absolute minimum wage.

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Tip is get a better job.

As a business owner why should I tip you???

UnfairRepresent posted...

Aka absolute minimum wage.

Then your problem is with minimum wage, not tipping.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

What's a tenner to you? To that single mother working there it's the difference between whether or not the radiator is on tonight.

To me it's the difference between whether or not the radiator is on tonight as well

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The_Yahtz09 posted...

Then your problem is with minimum wage, not tipping.

I do think they are underpaid but that is totally separate to tipping

Unless they're making 22 an hour then give them a damn tip for their services

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UnfairRepresent posted...

I do think they are underpaid but that is totally separate to tipping

Unless they're making 22 an hour then give them a damn tip for their services

So minimum wage should be 22 euros?

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The_Yahtz09 posted...

So minimum wage should be 22 euros?

No you can just tip service workers

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So only services workers deserve to make 22 euros an hour (base pay plus tip)?

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The_Yahtz09 posted...

So only services workers deserve to make 22 euros an hour

https://i.imgur.com/y5UHrTz.gif

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Is that not what youre saying? You said service workers dont need higher min wage because of tips, so every other min wage job that does not have the benefit of tips can get screwed out of a living wage?

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UR tossing the entire fishing rod in the pond

TheSavageDragon posted...

UR tossing the entire fishing rod in the pond

across*

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The_Yahtz09 posted...

Is that not what youre saying? You said service workers dont need higher min wage because of tips,

Strawman

so every other min wage job that does not have the benefit of tips can get screwed out of a living wage?

Strawman

You just keep making stupid stuff up then implying it's stupid

Service workers should get better pay AND tips, especially during a pandemic

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It's a generational thing. Tipping is becoming normalised among younger people in the UK, despite the fact that they earn the same or only slightly more than service workers.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

Service workers should get better pay AND tips, especially during a pandemic

People deserve better pay in general. Singling out service workers and shitty tipping culture is silly imo. Service workers are far from the only people that would benefit from an extra tenner here and there.

Regarding your specific case that started the topic, Ive never been to the UK and dont know their tipping customs. If their culture is not to tip because they get a full wage from their employer, then you are not required to tip. If you want to tip extra anyways, no one should make you feel bad (maybe an exception for cultures where tipping is seen as an insult), but its also fair to point out the countrys customs if you are visiting.

Some cultures dont tip because they are already getting a full wage. In other cultures workers rely on tips. It comes off as pretty entitled to demand both and demean people who dont automatically tip extra on everything all the time.

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Xavier_On_High posted...

It's a generational thing. Tipping is becoming normalised among younger people in the UK,

No its not

espite the fact that they earn the same or only slightly more than service workers.

You get tipped for your service tho

The_Yahtz09 posted...

People deserve better pay in general.

yes

Singling out service workers and shitty tipping culture is silly imo. Service workers are far from the only people that would benefit from an extra tenner here and there.

Service workers deserve tips for their service. That's the entire point. It's not the same thing as a guy stocking a self. They are specifically servicing you and your friends and family. Sometimes for hours

ive never been to the UK and dont know their tipping customs.

That much is obvious

If their culture is not to tip because they get a full wage from their employer, then you are not required to tip.

"full" wage being absolute minimum wage

but its also fair to point out the countrys customs if you are visiting.

Their custom sucks and they should be made to feel bad

I'm not going to accept homophobia just because it's the custom to be a jerk in Saudi Arabia

Why should we accept not tipping must because it's the custom to be a jerk in the UK?

t comes off as pretty entitled to demand both and demean people who dont automatically tip extra on everything all the time.

"Its demeaning to ask me to not demean service workers" is the most Tucker Carlson take of the topic imo

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I do tip when I can but also remember our minimum wage is around the equivalent of $12 while in the US minimum wage is about $8 depending on age of course.

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glad I live in Australia where tipping is not a part of culture at all

minimum wage is the equivalent of about $15USD/hr

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Workers are paid at least minimum wage by law (and sometimes more). Why should people who work as servers/waiters etc be tipped over and above other people who get minimum wage in other industries?

UnfairRepresent posted...

What's a tenner to you?

About 2 fivers or half a twentyer
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Health posted...

Workers are paid at least minimum wage by law (and sometimes more). Why should people who work as servers/waiters etc be tipped over and above other people who get minimum wage in other industries?

Thats crazy talk and you know it.

One is serving you , the other isn't "I treat the dog who shits on the floor and the person who delivered my wife's baby the same way because they both did what I expected them too"

No you treat different actions differently. They're literally serving you and everyone else hand over foot. Give them a damn tip you Scrooge.

Their job is serving you and everyone else around you at your whim. Including complete assholes, Karen's, anti vaxxers and misogynists. it's not comparable to non service jobs

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UnfairRepresent posted...

They're literally serving you and everyone else hand over foot.

So they should get tipped for doing their job?

UnfairRepresent posted...

Their job is serving you and everyone else around you at your whim. Including complete assholes, Karen's, anti vaxxers and misogynists.

Which, while bad, is part of their job. Which they know when they took it up. Nearly everyone in a customer facing role faces the above, but you wouldnt tip a shop worker for pointing you towards the sugar would you?

His is a cultural thing neither side is going to agree on.

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Health posted...

So they should get tipped for doing their job?

Yes

Getting tips should be part of their job.

Which, while bad, is part of their job. Which they know when they took it up. Nearly everyone in a customer facing role faces the above, but you wouldnt tip a shop worker for pointing you towards the sugar would you?

As I said in the post you ignored

Thats crazy talk and you know it.

One is serving you , the other isn't "I treat the dog who shits on the floor and the person who delivered my wife's baby the same way because they both did what I expected them too"

No you treat different actions differently. They're literally serving you and everyone else hand over foot. Give them a damn tip you Scrooge.

Their job is serving you and everyone else around you at your whim. Including complete assholes, Karen's, anti vaxxers and misogynists. it's not comparable to non service jobs

A guy pointing you towards the sugar isn't servicing you

And this is before you get into the fact the waitresses are risking catching a deadly virus just to serve you

Guy working at an IT helpline is not

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UnfairRepresent posted...

A guy pointing you towards the sugar isn't servicing you

And this is before you get into the fact the waitresses are risking catching a deadly virus just to serve you

You haven't been in a UK supermarket during this pandemic if you actually believe shop staff are in less jeopardy than a waitress.

Its the uk culture deal with it, personally in the USA i tip based on service I received like its intended , even before the pandemic

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I thought we tipped because service workers here are taxed with the assumption they will receive tips? Is that the same in the UK?

guys don't fall for this shit

this is literally a UK topic about TIPPING

it's so obvious

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I refused to be trolled by UR.

UnfairRepresent posted...

Show some compassion.

fuck off. tipping has never been about compassion. its just a way to flaunt superiority and selectively throw the bottom feeders some scrap.

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Turtlebread posted...

guys don't fall for this shit

this is literally a UK topic about TIPPING

it's so obvious

Seriously this. wtf people actually bit this turd? lol
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When I used to get tips I would get a lecture from my boss telling me to refuse tips and that I'm not allowed to keep money on me on the shop floor. Sometimes they even expect me to put it in the charity box. Like wtf? Why even bother going above and beyond for customer service when you can give minimum effort for minimum wage ^^

Jonny2284 posted...

You haven't been in a UK supermarket during this pandemic if you actually believe shop staff are in less jeopardy than a waitress.

Strawman

A guy sitting at the till or stacking shelves isn't doing all your shopping for you (and dozens of other people at the same time) and scanning/bagging it for you, sometimes for hours on end per person leading you only to have to order and pay while you sit on your ass and eat chocolates.

It's not the same as service work like being a waitress. If they did all that then they should be tipped too.

There's a reason you cowardly ignored that and did the whole "U TIHJ GUY STALCKING SHELVE DONBT ET COVID!?!?!?!?" nonsense that nobody said or implied.

ModLogic posted...

fuck off. tipping has never been about compassion. its just a way to flaunt superiority and selectively throw the bottom feeders some scrap.

"Mr Logic, why aren't you wiping your ass after pooping?"
"fuck off. wiping has never been about hygiene. its just a way to flaunt superiority and selectively mock people who don't have toilets."

"Mr Logic, why aren't you using your left and right turn indicators?"
"fuck off. indicatoring has never been about car safety. its just a way to flaunt superiority and selectively taunt people who can't afford cars."

"Mr Logic, why aren't you giving those trick or treaters any candy?"
"fuck off. Trick or Treating has never been about fun. its just a way to flaunt superiority and selectively throw the bottom feeders some scrap."

Things people with no compassion or logic say.

No giving people a tip is about a compassion. Hell refusing to tip hard working underapid service workers who need and deserve it are the actions of someone who feels that they are too superior to "Bottom Feeders" to bother showing them even the most fundmentally basic levels of resepct.

There's a reason why every single person who refuses to do it and justifies not doing it is a horrible horrible selfish human being.

Cornmuffins posted...

Seriously this. wtf people actually bit this turd? lol

"I have no argumet so I will insult you."

AngusBurner posted...

When I used to get tips I would get a lecture from my boss telling me to refuse tips and that I'm not allowed to keep money on me on the shop floor. Sometimes they even expect me to put it in the charity box. Like wtf? Why even bother going above and beyond for customer service when you can give minimum effort for minimum wage ^^

That's ridiclous.
What businsess is it of your boss what tips you get the customer gave them TO YOU.

I can understand him saying "Don't carry the cash on your person onthe shop floor" but refusing to tae the tip is fucking nonsense

Boss would 180 in a heartbeat if the tips were given to him

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TreyFlowers posted...

glad I live in Australia where tipping is not a part of culture at all

minimum wage is the equivalent of about $15USD/hr

It's not in the UK either. Unfair is being unfair.

From memory because tipping isn't the culture you don't get a dedicated server like you do in the US anyway. It's just not something people think about.

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I knew who made this topic before I even looked at the name.

In Australia the minimum wage is around $20.

When I was a bartender it was nice getting tips, but was never expected. Some nights you came up well ahead and others you got nothing (usually uni nights...).

I tip now based on service. If I got out and the waiter/waitress forgets my order, mixes up what I want or is a bit slow, I probably won't tip. If there service is ok or better they get tipped accordingly.

A tip should be a reflection on your enjoyment of the meal/service. I understand it is different in the USA though.

Darmik posted...

From memory because tipping isn't the culture you don't get a dedicated server like you do in the US anyway.

Bullshit. You get table service from start to finish. You don't do anything but sit there while someone services you.

It's just not something people think about.

Again bullshit. The sheer hostility seen in this topic and expressed by British people went eating out shows that they do indeed think about it and are aware of it. They just choose not to do it because they don't give a shit about other people.

Hell if you pay by card it actually asks "Do you want to leave a gratuity" and you have to actively press no before you pay. Guess what British people do?

This isn't some weird alien foreign concept no one has heard of. They just treat it like Homer Simpson treats the Suggested Donation at the Musuem



Where he laughs in everyone's face for expecting him to pay if given an option and then runs around telling everyone else not to donate anything.

Then you turn around and say Homer is right because "It's not something anyone ever thought about" and anyone who does donate is just trying to feel superior. Where as the buffoon running around laughing at people and not paying a dime isn't feeling superior at all, no it's the guys who care that do apparently somehow.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

Hell refusing to tip hard working underapid service workers

lol fuck off with your fake compassion.

so do you tip other underpaid workers or do they have to be "service workers"

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UnfairRepresent posted...

Bullshit. You get table service from start to finish. You don't do anything but sit there while someone services you.

That's not what I meant. I mean a single server. It can be any waiter or waitress.

UnfairRepresent posted...

Again bullshit. The sheer hostility seen in this topic and expressed by British people went eating out shows that they do indeed think about it and are aware of it. They just choose not to do it because they don't give a shit about other people.

Why would people listen to an American over British people when it comes to tipping?

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ModLogic posted...

lol fuck off with your fake compassion.

so do you tip other underpaid workers or do they have to be "service workers"

I've covered this like 6 times and you're just ignoring that part of my posts

Thats crazy talk and you know it.

One is serving you , the other isn't "I treat the dog who shits on the floor and the person who delivered my wife's baby the same way because they both did what I expected them too"

No you treat different actions differently. They're literally serving you and everyone else hand over foot. Give them a damn tip you Scrooge.

Their job is serving you and everyone else around you at your whim. Including complete assholes, Karen's, anti vaxxers and misogynists. it's not comparable to non service jobs

A guy pointing you towards the sugar isn't servicing you

And this is before you get into the fact the waitresses are risking catching a deadly virus just to serve you

Guy working at an IT helpline is not

A guy sitting at the till or stacking shelves isn't doing all your shopping for you (and dozens of other people at the same time) and scanning/bagging it for you, sometimes for hours on end per person leading you only to have to order and pay while you sit on your ass and eat chocolates.

It's not the same as service work like being a waitress. If they did all that then they should be tipped too.

There's a reason you cowardly ignored that and did the whole "U TIHJ GUY STALCKING SHELVE DONBT ET COVID!?!?!?!?" nonsense that nobody said or implied.


Darmik posted...

That's not what I meant. I mean a single server. It can be any waiter or waitress.

"Theres do much work for them that one person alone simply cannot do it. Therefore don't give tips " isnt the argument you think it is

and its not even true . Every time I've eaten out theres been one sever or at least one main assigned one

Darmik posted...

Why would people listen to an American over British people when it comes to tipping?

See!

Look how quickly the argument (fallacies) changes. "We never think of it and have 50,000 waitresses per person so we simply can't tip"

"that's not true "

"Why should we listen to foreigners anyway!!!?"

Literal Trumper logic . You know you have no actual point or case and don't even acknowledge the lying you were doing to justify it

Doesn't matter who says it, you should listen to who is right no matter who says it.

Ignoring good advice and compassion out of xenophobic racism leads to idiocy like Brexit and your current (worsening) food shortage

Would you stop wiping your ass if a Greek advised you to do it?

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In America, I believe you're expected to tip regardless. Waiters will actively chase after you if you don't tip.
In the UK, it's not part of the culture to do that. Most people will tip if they think they've received good service.

If you're surrounded by people who don't tip, maybe you should ask them why instead of coming here and moaning about it? Why did they think that the waiter/waitress did not deserve one? Why did you think they did?

UnfairRepresent posted...

What's a tenner to you? To that single mother working there it's the difference between whether or not the radiator is on tonight.

Unless you're filthy rich, literally no-one is giving out 10 as a tip. For the record, I will tip the majority of times I go out but it's like 5.

Trelve posted...

If you're surrounded by people who don't tip, maybe you should ask them why instead of coming here and moaning about it? Why did they think that the waiter/waitress did not deserve one? Why did you think they did?

I did. i even told them to tip and they refused. As I said in the OP. They act like you're crazy.

They act like Homer Simpson at the museum laughing in peoples faces at a suggested donation when they don't have to pay.

It's just egotism, which is bad at the best of times but during covid is super bad.

"why should I have to do something if I don't have to? Even if Its something I should do." is being Quina from FF9

And i love Quina but she's no role model

Unless you're filthy rich, literally no-one is giving out 10 as a tip. For the record, I will tip the majority of times I go out but it's like 5.

Depends on how much the food was

If you tip 5 for a 200 meal, that's pretty bad

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