Current Events > It bothers me so much during Covid that people in the UK still don't tip.

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Darmik posted...

I can add "Remember the time when Unfair compared not tipping to throwing gay people off buildings?"

Exactly like I predicted. He's just cliche at this point.

Yeah that was a pretty disgusting and the mods havent done anything.


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I didn't expect him to claim that he has convinced hundreds anti-vaxers to get vaccinated though.

What a yarn to use to spin the claim that being an obnoxious American overseas is actually good lol


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Darmik posted...

I can add "Remember the time when Unfair compared not tipping to throwing gay people off buildings?"

Exactly like I predicted. He's just cliche at this point.

What a ridiclously dishonest and disgusting way to misconstrue what I said. I did no such thing.

You should apologize right now. But continuing your Tucker Carlson spree of arguing you never ever will. You'll just double down

Also shows that you no actual point considering you have to ignore every point I made and lie about what I said.

And you dare to call me arrogant or obnoxious. Absolutely sickening hypocrisy.

You flat out said foreigners should shut up and not talk about anything that happens in another culture.
I said there is nothing wrong with criticizing something even if it is another culture. You say that there is. I disagree strongly.

I take your post as a flat out confession that you have absolutely no defense whatsoever for not tipping and so resort to this nonsense.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

What a ridiclously dishonest and disgusting way to misconstrue what I said. I did no such thing.

UnfairRepresent posted...

Could not disagree any more strongly. I don't think I could put into words how strongly I disagree

The idea that FGM , or throwing gay people off buildings or the genocide in China or rewind time the segregation in Anerica is okay because its their culture and you're wrong to oppose it is complete cowardice and harmful.

You should always strive to improve and if things are wrong call it out and try to improve it.

UnfairRepresent posted...

You flat out said foreigners should shut up and not talk about anything that happens in another culture.

Feel free to quote that like I just did.

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You didn't quote anything that said not tipping and throwing people off buildings is the same thing.

As for your quote, it's right here:

Darmik posted...

No. When you are in a foreign country you follow the customs of the place you are in. It's not up to you to decide that your way is better. This is why you're a typical American. It doesn't matter to you what the people from other countries think. It doesn't matter that literally everyone you're sitting with thinks you're an obnoxious asshole. The American knows better and you're here to educate them.

And yet here you are accusing other people of being like Trumpers.

Note my posts were in response to that.

And yeah it's true. It doesn't matter to me if people in another country think something wrong is okay. It's still wrong.

Nationality, race and sex don't mean anything to me the way they determine right and wrong to you.

You have no argument at all here. All you can do is take quotes out of context, lie about what they say then run away without making a point because the "point" you actually did make was so bad and so hypocritical you can't stand by it but are too arrogant to admit fault and take it back

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UnfairRepresent posted...

You didn't quote anything that said not tipping and throwing people off buildings is the same thing.

As for your quote, it's right here:

Note my posts were in response to that.

And yeah it's true. It doesn't matter to me if people in another country thing something wrong is okay. It's still wrong.

You have no argument at all here. All you can do is take quotes out of context, lie about what they say then run away without making a point because the "point" you actually did make was so bad and so hypocritical you can't stand by it but are too arrogant to admit fault and take it back

Dude you literally cut off the part of the quote that makes it obvious I was talking about tipping.
Darmik posted...

You're literally ranting in this topic that every single country should treat services the same way America does.

No. When you are in a foreign country you follow the customs of the place you are in. It's not up to you to decide that your way is better. This is why you're a typical American. It doesn't matter to you what the people from other countries think. It doesn't matter that literally everyone you're sitting with thinks you're an obnoxious asshole. The American knows better and you're here to educate them.

And yet here you are accusing other people of being like Trumpers.

Yes clearly when I was talking about an American sitting with people who thinks he's obnoxious I was talking about when an American was debating with people in third world countries murdering people. Clearly in the post when I was talking about services in foreign countries.

lmao. You took a conversation about tipping cultures and turned it onto genocide and anti-vaxers because you literally had nowhere else to take the argument. You're such a joke dude.

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So you admit you were wrong and that you are allowed to criticitze other cultures, not follow customs and decide a superior way is better?

And he was never seen again

I also find it funny that continuing your hypocrisy spree you have to gall to accuse me of cutting out context. 4 seconds after pretending I compared tipping to murder.

Arrogance, obxiousness and hypocrisy on an elite level

All to (fail to) justify not tipping a fucking a waitress

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Dude you're not a fucking human rights advocate because you tipped a waitress in the UK lmao

To think this is your argument against being an obnoxious American.

I can manage going to other countries fine without thinking everyone else is an asshole and everyone else thinking I'm an asshole. You seem to be struggling with that concept.

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Hey what a surprise. He didn't admit fault.

Who could have possibly seen that coming.

Darmik posted...

I can manage going to other countries fine without thinking everyone else is an asshole and everyone else thinking I'm an asshole. You seem to be struggling with that concept.

Considering how much stock you put in race and nationality and how much you lie and how arrogant you are, i don't believe you. Especially if you don't tip.

But that being said I've been to a lot of countries and this is really just a UK thing.
Some people in the UK say and do daft things, like this one guy said you're not allowed to criticize other cultures if you're foreign, then lied about a bunch of stuff, then refused to admit fault or apologize.

All while refusing to tip waitresses for no reason while calling people who did assholes.

He was a strange fellow. I feel like you would hate him if you met him.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

Especially if you don't tip.

I do this thing where I'm a tourist and I google what the customs are so I don't put myself in awkward situations where people think I'm rude. I know this is hard for an American like you to understand but it's recommended.

For example even though I'm from a culture that doesn't tip I still tipped in America. I didn't rant to the waiters that they should demand overtime pay and paid leave.

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Darmik posted...

I don't put myself in awkward situations where people think I'm rude. I know this is hard for an American like you to understand

I love that:

1. You can't see this hypocrisy. Yeah that's not rude at all
2. You still haven't made an argument for not tipping
3. You still haven't apologized for lying. (Also hypocrisy, you don't see how that was rude and arrogant and obnoxious)
4. You still haven't admitted fault for your silly "It's wrong to criticize other cultures" nonsense

Tipping a waitress is only "Awkward" if you're a cheapskate arrogant jerk.

That's a "you" problem. Hence why you can't come up with a single reason not to tip beyond this Fox News Circus show you've put on

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Trelve posted...

Maybe you should get better friends then. My family and friends will all tip if they think that they received a good service. Claiming that "the UK" as a whole has "problem X" is a tired gimmick.

Well, obviously. But I've never spent that much on food in a restaurant before. I'm talking like a meal at a Chinese restaurant or something that comes to a maximum of 30-35. Is this really the sort of thing that keeps you up at night?

@Trelve

You need to apolgize to Darmik. He thinks you're being rude and made everyone feel awkward because you tipped.

But you're not foreign so maybe it;s okay when you do it.

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So wdo you so in places that say tipping is not allowed

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I don't need to find a reason to not tip here because the experience of a restaurant is completely different here than it was in the US.

In the US the waiters introduced themselves, often knew we were tourists and gave us suggestions, talked to us, fill up drinks and constantly attended to us because they work in a system that subsidizes their wages with tips.

I'm more used to waiters just taking the order, answering questions if needed and simply getting the food. If I need anything else I can get the attention of any staff member. The service of the individual staff member isn't important. These days it's becoming more common for chain restaurants to let you order food on your phone so it's getting to the point where all they do is bring food and drinks. They're paid extra for working on late nights and weekends. They don't need to focus their job on making the customer happy to tip. They don't need to worry that if the cook fucks up that they're penalized. I prefer this system. Americans may struggle with tipping and the odd American worker might find this level of service lazy but I don't care. When they're here they can deal with it. I adjusted fine in the US and so can they.

I had great service in the US. But I also had the worst service ever as well. One dud and the entire experience was ruined because no one else wanted to help.

And yeah any American acting obnoxious and insulting over it in foreign countries are arrogant and bad people. If you're a tourist in another country respect the customs. It should be pretty obvious I'm not talking to human rights activists in third world countries witness violations to human rights. I'm talking about tourists or people on a visa.

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sabrestorm posted...

So wdo you so in places that say tipping is not allowed

Never been to one but it should be allowed

ProfessorKukui posted...

Can you explain how "throwing gay people off buildings" & genocide is akin to tipping or not tipping?

No because nobody said it was. Darmik made that up to justfy not tipping waitresses.

Darmik posted...

I don't need to find a reason to not tip here

Well that's handy because you haven't been able to.

Meawhile I've found about 70 ironclad reasons that you should

Darmik posted...

And yeah any American acting obnoxious and insulting over it are arrogant and bad people

So is any Brit.

Nationality doesn't matter dude, yet you are obsessed with it. So much so you've spent the entire topic complaining about Americans being rude, obnoxious and arrogant for.... Tipping waitresses... And have been utterly blind to your own rudeness, obnoxiousness, arrogance and hypocrisy.

You still haven't apologized for lying or shown a single degree of self-awareness while blaring xenophobia.

Darmik posted...

hese days it's becoming more common for chain restaurants to let you order food on your phone so it's getting to the point where all they do is bring food and drinks.

That's not even close to all they are doing. They're still serving you even some orders are done on a phone.

Especially during Covid.

These are weak rationalizations that don't hold up to scruntity.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

Everyone deserves compassion

not according to you. since not everyone being underpaid deserves to be tipped according to you.

again. fuck off with the fake compassion.

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ModLogic posted...

not according to you. since not everyone being underpaid deserves to be tipped according to you.

again. fuck off with the fake compassion.

That doesn't make sense

Tips are an act of compassion but that doesn't mean tips and compassion are the same word.

You tip people for serving you. Non service work doesn't serve you.


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UnfairRepresent posted...

No because nobody said it was. Darmik made that up to justfy not tipping waitresses.

Go find the earliest person who brought up throwing gay people off buildings

UnfairRepresent posted...

So much so you've spent the entire topic complaining about Americans being rude, obnoxious and arrogant for.... Tipping waitresses

Nope it was due to this.

Then if you leave these guys a tip, people just glare at you like I was trying to hump a Guinea pig and are just like "it's not mandatory, that's why it's more expensive (I always rag on it for being expensive to eat out to wind them up. Burger King is like 7.50 here which is like $13) so you dont tip" And nobody tips delivery people.

I don't like this hostile anti tipping culture during normal times but now more than ever just give these dudes a tip. There's a damn pandemic going on.

I was at Frankie and Benny's with a group , we each paid our own way and I was literally the only one who tipped. It's a joke.

If you want to tip then do it. That's on you. There's no guarantee the server will even get it in many countries. But don't act arrogant and judge others for not doing it where it isn't part of the culture. That's when you're acting like an obnoxious jerk who is only tipping to pretend he's a better person than the others around him.

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Darmik posted...

If you want to tip then do it. That's on you. But don't act arrogant and judge others for not doing it where it isn't part of the culture. That's when you're acting like an obnoxious jerk who is only tipping to pretend he's a better person than the others around him.

Sorry but if you refuse to tip then the person next to you who does is a better person than you.

At least in a vacuum.

Culture isn't this weird shield you think it is where it's okay to be a bad person so long as you don't get yelled at for doing it.

You're allowed to criticize other cultures. The fact you don't agree with that (while insulting Americans every 4 seconds) and don't see that by doing so you're the one expressing arrogance is very telling.

Darmik posted...

Go find the earliest person who brought up throwing gay people off buildings

How the fuck is being against homophobia arrogance?

I was the one calling for criticizing and challenging that.
Someone else was the one saying if it happens in another country you're not allowed to challenge it. What are your words for that person?

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So if you went to Japan you'd still tip?

UnfairRepresent posted...

The fact you don't agree with that (while insulting Americans every 4 seconds) and don't see that by doing so you're the one expressing arrogance is very telling.

Only obnoxious ones who act superior when they're overseas.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

You tip people for serving you. Non service work doesn't serve you.

so your fake compassion only applies to service workers.

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Darmik posted...

So if you went to Japan you'd still tip?

If they didn't automatically include a service charge (Most of Japan does) then yeah.

ModLogic posted...

so your fake compassion only applies to service workers.

You're not actually making any point here.

You're tipping people for serving you. That's what the tip is for.

IF you order a pizza on the 14th floor of a building with no elevator do you go "Here's a tip, get a haircut" and slam the door in his face?

Because that's what they do in the UK. They don't tip delivery people.

I think that shows a lack of compassion.

A guy at homebase who scans your gardening shears at the till, hasn't served you (beyond the hyperliteral)

He didn't do the shopping for you while you sat down for hours and ate chocolate. If he did then tip him.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

If they didn't automatically include a service charge (Most of Japan does) then yeah.

And you'd be offending or confusing them because of it. Because you're obnoxious.

UnfairRepresent posted...

A guy at homebase who scans your gardening shears at the till, hasn't served you (beyond the hyperliteral)

What if a staff member recommended me what gardening shears to get?

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What if a retail worker carried something out to your car for you?

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Darmik posted...

And you'd be offending or confusing them because of it. Because you're obnoxious.

No they were very grateful.

I don't think you realize how much of Japan still uses cash

What if a staff member recommended me what gardening shears to get?

Good for him. That's still not service work.

Did you sit down for 2 hours and do nothing but eat and pay while he ran around doing work for you, obeying your every whim? No.

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spikethedevil posted...

What if a retail worker carried something out to your car for you?

I used to be tipped for doing that when I worked retail. Especially at the furniture store.

Well I doubt they'd call it a tip but they'd give me money.

And I would do the same.

yeah if you're serving someone for an extended period of time, you tip their service

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UnfairRepresent posted...

No they were very grateful.

I don't think you realize how much of Japan still uses cash

I don't think you realize that tipping isn't a thing in Japan at all. They think you made a mistake if you give them too much cash. Do you tell them in Japanese that it's so they can have the radiator on tonight?

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What if low tier god brought you a protein shake, TC? Would you tip him?

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Darmik posted...

I don't think you realize that tipping isn't a thing in Japan at all. They think you made a mistake if you give them too much cash.

Don't trust things your anti tipping friends told you.

Tipping largely isn't a thing in Japan because most busisesses include service charges as mandatory. Largely due to people like you who wouldn't tip.

That's why they would turn it down. If a place doesn't do such a charge, people are happy to take tips.

Do you tell them in Japanese that it's so they can have the radiator on tonight?

No they spoke English.


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UnfairRepresent posted...

Tipping largely isn't a thing in Japan because most busisesses include service charges as mandatory. Largely due to people like you who wouldn't tip.

https://japantoday.com/category/features/food/five-reasons-there%E2%80%99s-no-tipping-at-restaurants-in-japan

https://www.worldtravelguide.net/guides/asia/japan/tokyo/restaurants/#:~:text=An%208%25%20consumer%20tax%20is,not%20customary%20and%20might%20offend.

Do some research. They literally take the time to count the change back for you.

Some countries also have higher meal prices to take care of paying for servers.

UnfairRepresent posted...

No they spoke English.

Ah so you obnoxiously told them that it's to keep their radiator on in English. Even worse.

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Darmik posted...

https://japantoday.com/category/features/food/five-reasons-there%E2%80%99s-no-tipping-at-restaurants-in-japan

https://www.worldtravelguide.net/guides/asia/japan/tokyo/restaurants/#:~:text=An%208%25%20consumer%20tax%20is,not%20customary%20and%20might%20offend.

Do some research. They literally take the time to count the change back for you.

Some countries also have higher meal prices to take care of paying for servers.

I like how your "Research" was a resturant in NY that just repeated what I already said, they include tips in the charges a lot.

And then the 2nd link asked for a tip! LOL Perfect.

You couldn't make this shit up.

And I've been to Japan. People liked being tipped if there was no service charge

Ah so you obnoxiously told them that it's to keep their radiator on in English. Even worse.

"Not wanting people and babies to be cold at night is obnoxious."

Uhuh.....

You and Admiral would have got along like a house on fire.

A fire that probably started because the mom was freezing.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

And I've been to Japan. People liked being tipped if there was no service charge

I've been to Japan too. They're the most friendly staff I have experienced.

But sorry literally every research on the internet says not to tip regardless. That it's a confusing and foreign idea.

UnfairRepresent posted...

"Not wanting people and babies to be cold at night is obnoxious."

Assuming that people who serve you are struggling financially is obnoxious yes. It's a job not a charity.

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Darmik posted...

I've been to Japan too. They're the most friendly staff I have experienced.

But sorry literally every research on the internet says not to tip regardless. That it's a confusing and foreign idea.

I'm going to say this one more time, then I'm not going to repeat it because as per usual you're not listening (and you still haven't apologized for lying)

You don't tip because they already include a service charge in most busisesses. That's what "most of the internet" is telling you. Including your own damn links for the record. IF the UK did that (first of all I would disapprove) then you wouldn't need to tip because you already have.

All Japan did was make it mandatory because of people like you. The fact you think that's a fact in your favor is very telling.

Places that don't include a service charge are fine with tips.

Assuming that people who serve you are struggling financially is obnoxious yes. It's a job not a charity.

I like how all the people screaming about how underpaid staff are won't respond to this.

They're likely to be struggling because nearly the entire UK is struggling right now (thanks Conservatives) and their pay is shit. Tips can literally be the difference between whether a mom eats or has the heating on.

And I like that you consider charity to be a dirty word that offends you. Even before you get into the issue of whether it is charity if they earned it

Then you call others arrogant.

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All of you taking URs bait need to take a fat L

Jesus why do people still engage him

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We literally have a higher minimum wage than the US and yes a lot of people are struggling because of Tory BS.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

You don't tip because they already include a service charge in most busisesses. That's what "most of the internet" is telling you. Including your own damn links for the record. IF the UK did that (first of all I would disapprove) then you wouldn't need to tip because you already have.

UnfairRepresent posted...

And I like that you consider charity to be a dirty word that offends you. Even before you get into the issue of whether it is charity if they earned it

Then their living status isn't relevant to if you tip or not.

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spikethedevil posted...

We literally have a higher minimum wage than the US

1. That's not a defense
2.That's a half truth.

That's only true because the US is split into 50 vastly different states. Several of which have much higher min wages than the UK. A lot of which are roughly the same.

It's only because of the economy of the rural south the Federal min wage is so low. Which isn't comparable to a tiny country like the UK. As I said earlier you can't compare Penzaze to Glasgow the same way you compare Georgia to California

and yes a lot of people are struggling because of Tory BS.

Yup

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Darmik posted...

Exactly.

Can you not read the "10-15% service charge" or do you just not know what it means?

Then their living status isn't relevant to if you tip or not.

I agree. I never said it was.

Just an example of how important tipping is and how malicious and arrogant people who refuse to do it are.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

Can you not read the "10-15% service charge" or do you just not know what it means?

Are most restaurants in Japan luxury restaurants?

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No but luxury resturants aren't the only places that include a service charge. Your own link explained this....
And the places that don't were fine with tips in my experience.

I love just how hard you are passionately fighting and scratching and clawing to justify not tipping a waitress for her hard work. While calling people who do arrogant assholes and spitting on "charity"

It's extremely telling

As is the fact you still won't apologize for lying.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

No but luxury resturants aren't the only places that include a service charge. Your own link explained this....

Where

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Darmik posted...

Where

In Japan, theres no need to pay anything more than the amount on your bill. However, that doesnt mean that your total is equal to the cost of the food and drink you ordered. At many Japanese restaurants, after youre seated youll automatically be brought a small-portioned appetizer. However, this isnt a complimentary nicety like the hot or cold hand towels that are also brought to the table. The appetizer, called an otoshi, is something youre required to pay for, regardless of whether you want it or not.

Otoshi usually cost somewhere in the neighborhood of 500 yen per person in your party, though at more upscale establishments they rise towards 1,000 yen. While that might seem like an agreeable price for a regular-sized appetizer, the average otoshi is small enough to be consumed in two or three bites and is usually a simple salad-like vegetable dish made with inexpensive ingredients. Really, its purpose is to smooth over applying a service charge to the meal, and while 500 yen isnt a huge amount, if you ran up a 2,000-yen tab, it works out to essentially being a hefty 25-percent tip.

Although in my experince they just cut out the middle man just had a service charge.

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In fact look at the comments to that very article and you see people talking about how there are services charges/people there are fine with tipping.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

In Japan, theres no need to pay anything more than the amount on your bill. However, that doesnt mean that your total is equal to the cost of the food and drink you ordered. At many Japanese restaurants, after youre seated youll automatically be brought a small-portioned appetizer. However, this isnt a complimentary nicety like the hot or cold hand towels that are also brought to the table. The appetizer, called an otoshi, is something youre required to pay for, regardless of whether you want it or not.

Otoshi usually cost somewhere in the neighborhood of 500 yen per person in your party, though at more upscale establishments they rise towards 1,000 yen. While that might seem like an agreeable price for a regular-sized appetizer, the average otoshi is small enough to be consumed in two or three bites and is usually a simple salad-like vegetable dish made with inexpensive ingredients. Really, its purpose is to smooth over applying a service charge to the meal, and while 500 yen isnt a huge amount, if you ran up a 2,000-yen tab, it works out to essentially being a hefty 25-percent tip.

Although in my experince they just cut out the middle man just had a service charge.

That's still not most restaurants. It's still a luxury thing.

https://www.japancitytour.com/info/how-to-pay-bill-restaurant-japan.html

Most commonly, you are supposed to pay the bill at the cashier. Firstly, you need to ask for the bill while still at your table and the waiter will bring you the bill. Even though you would expect to pay at your table as well, this is usually not how it works in Japan. You need to bring your bill to the cashier and pay it there. Japanese people normally make payments just before leaving the restaurant so that they dont need to go back to the table after their payment, and the waiters can start clearing the table as soon as they get to the cashier.
One of the biggest mysteries that can happen is that the bill may not indicate the total amount. It may just indicate what you ordered in Japanese, so you may not think it is the bill. If you are skeptical, when you pay at the cashier, you can ask for the receipt and you can check the itemized prices of all the items that you ordered. It may not be easy, however, because the receipt is normally written only in Japanese.

The good news for more budget-conscious customers, though, is the non-tipping custom that generally prevails in Japan. You only pay the exact amount that appears on the bill, and you dont need to add a tip. If you try to give a tip, the staff may actually get embarrassed. In Japanese restaurants, there is not one person in charge of a specific table, as all the waiters take care of all the tables. This means they will not expect a tip from certain customers.

This was my experience in pretty much every restaurant we went to. Only exception was a bar where we paid for our seat. Sounds like you only went to tourist trap restaurants if you primarily encountered the service fee.

Another mystery charge that can get added to your bill is the service charge. It is especially the expensive restaurants or hotel restaurants that charge this extra fee. It is similar to a tip, even though Japan doesnt have a tipping culture. The percentage is usually between 10 to 15 percent, and it should be mentioned (in small letters) on the menu that this charge will be added to your bill.

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"All the places you went too don't count for some reason and the Internet is lying."

Erm... Ok.

Except Japan has service charges and places that don't are cool with tips.

Also even if Japan burned people who tipped at the stake you should still tip your fucking waitress in the UK.

Again:

I love just how hard you are passionately fighting and scratching and clawing to justify not tipping a waitress for her hard work. While calling people who do arrogant assholes and spitting on "charity"

It's extremely telling

As is the fact you still won't apologize for lying.

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Hey there you are comparing not tipping to human atrocities again. Man you're too easy.

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Except for the second time I never did that

You lied yet again

And won't apologize for it yet again

All this lying just to try to excuse yourself not tipping waitresses is fucked up and your attitude is probably a perfect demonstration of the mentality of people who don't tip and why it's so awful

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idk what paint they're drinking in the "uk" but I hope UR is willing to share
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