Poll of the Day > Does society need to eliminate driving?

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wolfy42 08/10/21 8:28:27 PM #52:	Muscles posted... Public transportation isn't as reliable as cars and never will be, let's not act like it is possible. Cars offer freedom to go wherever you want whenever you want. We have the technology to make public transportation WAY more reliable and faster than driving yourself, easily. The main reason this doesn't happen is there are massive companies who support politicians that make money off cars/gas etc. Right now in most places near even a suburb you can catch a bus within 30 minutes or so, but what if we trippled the number of buses going everywhere, and added in more buses going further away as well. Instead of having to wait up to 30 minutes the max wait would be 10 minutes. Meanwhile you ensure many busses are driving between each city, allowing you to commute to work in the city (and transfer etc to busses there quickly), without wasting almost any time. You have direct busses that just go straight from one city to another, driving at full speed with no stops. You drastically cut back on the amount of normal cars driving and suddenly there is no more traffic/traffic jams at all. Instead of it taking 2 hours to commute to your job (it was like that in the bay area, and it's like that here in washington if you wanna commute to seattle or sometimes even tacoma from olympia), you can get there by bus in an hour or less. In addition it's $5 for a full day bus pass instead of spending $30+ in gas to commute each way (Every day). But that is literally just the tip of the ice burg, there are tons of other methods of making public transportation easier for everyone. The link I provided for instance is from a VERY old book/short story, but the general idea is to have moving tracks like in airports (in fact I think it predated those, and may be where they got the idea). In the book they have tracks near each other increasing in speed by 5mph up to fast speeds like 60mps. That is fiction and without a ton of failsafes etc would never work). But you could have a double track (size of current sidewalks) that moves 5mph in cities connecting all throughout the city, one for people standing still and the other for people walking/moving/running etc. Even bikes would work very well with a good public transportation system, and would be fair easier then the moving track (also electric scooters etc) which could be rented very cheap and returned anywhere in the city. Meanwhile you start actually investing time/energy/manpower into building high speed rail systems to connect larger cities over long distances. These go directly from one large city to another without any stops in between and can reach speeds over 200mph. A trip from portland oregon to seattle washington would take under an hour. A trip from The Bay Area CA to Seattle washington would take 3 hours. Eventually you could get anywhere you want to go in the US easily, and much faster then driving. The roads/freeways would be mainly used for trucks (including moving trucks) and busses. Cars would rarely be owned, all electronic, and usually just rented as needed. We have had the technology to implement something like that my whole life, instead traffic has gotten worse and the average time to commute has continued to increase. There are tons of other methods of implementing public transportation methods that would be far better than driving your own car. In fact, driving itself could also be used (carpooling or share ubering etc would be a way for many people to quickly drive to a specific destination for a fairly cheap price). China supposedly has a bullet train that can hit almost 400 mph, and if build here could in theory go from SF to NY in about 5 hours. Having multiple tracks to let one go direct and the other stop along the way, would allow you to get almost anywhere in the US within 8 hours easily. If we worked on public transportation we could create a system that is easy and cheap for everyone, help people get better jobs (while living in cheaper areas), and help reduce damage to the environment. Honestly we should have started working on this 30 years ago. --- Tacobot 3000 "Saving the world from not having tacos." Friends don't make their friends die Hanz. Psychopathic friends do. <cite>wolfy42 posted [p:956967661] in Does socie... [t:79605592]...</cite> <quote>Muscles posted... </cite> <quote>Public transportation isn't as reliable as cars and never will be, let's not act like it is possible. Cars offer freedom to go wherever you want whenever you want.</quote> We have the technology to make public transportation WAY more reliable and faster than driving yourself, easily. The main reason this doesn't happen is there are massive companies who support politicians that make money off cars/gas etc. Right now in most places near even a suburb you can catch a bus within 30 minutes or so, but what if we trippled the number of buses going everywhere, and added in more buses going further away as well. Instead of having to wait up to 30 minutes the max wait would be 10 minutes. Meanwhile you ensure many busses are driving between each city, allowing you to commute to work in the city (and transfer etc to busses there quickly), without wasting almost any time. You have direct busses that just go straight from one city to another, driving at full speed with no stops. You drastically cut back on the amount of normal cars driving and suddenly there is no more traffic/traffic jams at all. Instead of it taking 2 hours to commute to your job (it was like that in the bay area, and it's like that here in washington if you wanna commute to seattle or sometimes even tacoma from olympia), you can get there by bus in an hour or less. In addition it's $5 for a full day bus pass instead of spending $30+ in gas to commute each way (Every day). But that is literally just the tip of the ice burg, there are tons of other methods of making public transportation easier for everyone. The link I provided for instance is from a VERY old book/short story, but the general idea is to have moving tracks like in airports (in fact I think it predated those, and may be where they got the idea). In the book they have tracks near each other increasing in speed by 5mph up to fast speeds like 60mps. That is fiction and without a ton of failsafes etc would never work). But you could have a double track (size of current sidewalks) that moves 5mph in cities connecting all throughout the city, one for people standing still and the other for people walking/moving/running etc. Even bikes would work very well with a good public transportation system, and would be fair easier then the moving track (also electric scooters etc) which could be rented very cheap and returned anywhere in the city. Meanwhile you start actually investing time/energy/manpower into building high speed rail systems to connect larger cities over long distances. These go directly from one large city to another without any stops in between and can reach speeds over 200mph. A trip from portland oregon to seattle washington would take under an hour. A trip from The Bay Area CA to Seattle washington would take 3 hours. Eventually you could get anywhere you want to go in the US easily, and much faster then driving. The roads/freeways would be mainly used for trucks (including moving trucks) and busses. Cars would rarely be owned, all electronic, and usually just rented as needed. We have had the technology to implement something like that my whole life, instead traffic has gotten worse and the average time to commute has continued to increase. There are tons of other methods of implementing public transportation methods that would be far better than driving your own car. In fact, driving itself could also be used (carpooling or share ubering etc would be a way for many people to quickly drive to a specific destination for a fairly cheap price). China supposedly has a bullet train that can hit almost 400 mph, and if build here could in theory go from SF to NY in about 5 hours. Having multiple tracks to let one go direct and the other stop along the way, would allow you to get almost anywhere in the US within 8 hours easily. If we worked on public transportation we could create a system that is easy and cheap for everyone, help people get better jobs (while living in cheaper areas), and help reduce damage to the environment. Honestly we should have started working on this 30 years ago. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CoorsLight 08/10/21 8:40:23 PM #53:	We definitely need better public transportation but I'm sorry the idea of installing moving walkways all over the city so people can walk slightly faster is very bad <cite>CoorsLight posted [p:956967974] in Does socie... [t:79605592]...</cite> <quote>We definitely need better public transportation but I'm sorry the idea of installing moving walkways all over the city so people can walk slightly faster is very bad </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 08/10/21 9:06:00 PM #54:	wolfy42 posted... We have the technology to make public transportation WAY more reliable and faster than driving yourself, easily. The main reason this doesn't happen is there are massive companies who support politicians that make money off cars/gas etc. Right now in most places near even a suburb you can catch a bus within 30 minutes or so, but what if we trippled the number of buses going everywhere, and added in more buses going further away as well. Instead of having to wait up to 30 minutes the max wait would be 10 minutes. Meanwhile you ensure many busses are driving between each city, allowing you to commute to work in the city (and transfer etc to busses there quickly), without wasting almost any time. You have direct busses that just go straight from one city to another, driving at full speed with no stops. You drastically cut back on the amount of normal cars driving and suddenly there is no more traffic/traffic jams at all. Instead of it taking 2 hours to commute to your job (it was like that in the bay area, and it's like that here in washington if you wanna commute to seattle or sometimes even tacoma from olympia), you can get there by bus in an hour or less. In addition it's $5 for a full day bus pass instead of spending $30+ in gas to commute each way (Every day). But that is literally just the tip of the ice burg, there are tons of other methods of making public transportation easier for everyone. The link I provided for instance is from a VERY old book/short story, but the general idea is to have moving tracks like in airports (in fact I think it predated those, and may be where they got the idea). In the book they have tracks near each other increasing in speed by 5mph up to fast speeds like 60mps. That is fiction and without a ton of failsafes etc would never work). But you could have a double track (size of current sidewalks) that moves 5mph in cities connecting all throughout the city, one for people standing still and the other for people walking/moving/running etc. Even bikes would work very well with a good public transportation system, and would be fair easier then the moving track (also electric scooters etc) which could be rented very cheap and returned anywhere in the city. Meanwhile you start actually investing time/energy/manpower into building high speed rail systems to connect larger cities over long distances. These go directly from one large city to another without any stops in between and can reach speeds over 200mph. A trip from portland oregon to seattle washington would take under an hour. A trip from The Bay Area CA to Seattle washington would take 3 hours. Eventually you could get anywhere you want to go in the US easily, and much faster then driving. The roads/freeways would be mainly used for trucks (including moving trucks) and busses. Cars would rarely be owned, all electronic, and usually just rented as needed. We have had the technology to implement something like that my whole life, instead traffic has gotten worse and the average time to commute has continued to increase. There are tons of other methods of implementing public transportation methods that would be far better than driving your own car. In fact, driving itself could also be used (carpooling or share ubering etc would be a way for many people to quickly drive to a specific destination for a fairly cheap price). China supposedly has a bullet train that can hit almost 400 mph, and if build here could in theory go from SF to NY in about 5 hours. Having multiple tracks to let one go direct and the other stop along the way, would allow you to get almost anywhere in the US within 8 hours easily. If we worked on public transportation we could create a system that is easy and cheap for everyone, help people get better jobs (while living in cheaper areas), and help reduce damage to the environment. Honestly we should have started working on this 30 years ago. Having the technology (if people want to trust in it) isnt the only problem. Theres also money. From my knowledge of the bus station I worked at, its not cheap to buy and maintain buses. We have barely an extra buses at my station. And we dont get much extra money to get new ones. And with the amount of buses and routes we have, we can only do the route once per hours. Some places have shorter bus route times (like every 30 or 15 minutes), but its money thats bigger factor. Not to mention that even in places with transportation, the stops dont reach everywhere So, it makes sense that people would rather get into a car and go directly to their destination from point A to B, instead of walking to a bus stop (on possible inclement weather), waiting for a bus for however long, and then having to go through each stop until your own (which could take however long depending on the route) Part of the reason for that is because thats how cities were built, as earlier stated while tripling the buses sounds like a good idea, its not feasible to just do it. It cost a ton of money that the companies cant actually afford. Or it would be a slow process, if anything. Like my bus company doesnt even make a lot of money. IIRC, they actually lose money quite often because they are giving heavy discounts to everyone for different reasons (medical, college, seniors, etc). They get money from the city to keep operating that way. But our city doesnt have much money thanks to the old town council So, tripling buses in many places would take much longer than you think Also, the max wait only goes to 10 if you have the right amount of buses. For example, tripling buses here would still require a 20 minute wait. And they still dont go everywhere. For our buses to go everywhere and be only 10 minute waits, you probably have to get 12 times the buses. And it still might not work The wait time isnt the only time you have to consider. You also have to consider the route time. Like ours in my current city is an hour per route. More buses shortens the wait time, but not the route time. And buses traveling between city would probably also take a while, as well And while it could cut down on some commutes, it could make others more hectic and timed. A car can, in some cases, help you make up time. On buses, you are completely at someone elses mercy And to have that many direct buses, were now talking about multiplying the amount of buses we have by like 100, at the very least. Way too many buses. Its easy to say get more buses. But buses cost a ton of money As for the airport moving tracks, they only work if people are walking forward on them. And many people probably wont, which would actually make things move slower And the faster ones actually sound quite dangerous I also dont think bikes would be safe on those tracks if moving. Idk about scooters. While they had those rented scooter things her for a while, I dont remember them being that good for transport, were costly, and got kicked out after a little while And dont forget the amount of money that would cost While the high speed rail thing sounds good, money is the problem again Very costly And thats the problem with almost everything youve posted. The money. None of that is cheap, or even feasible, based on price right now. Thats way expensive. And all thats going to do is raise our taxes. I think thats what happened in Washington State for a while. They raised taxes a certain amount to help them build something for public transport. And it wasnt even the stuff you mentioned. It was something that was far less expensive, IIRC And honestly, even if we had al that, Im pretty sure many people would still stick with driving --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:956968639] in Does socie... [t:79605592]...</cite> <quote>wolfy42 posted...</cite> <quote>We have the technology to make public transportation WAY more reliable and faster than driving yourself, easily. The main reason this doesn't happen is there are massive companies who support politicians that make money off cars/gas etc. Right now in most places near even a suburb you can catch a bus within 30 minutes or so, but what if we trippled the number of buses going everywhere, and added in more buses going further away as well. Instead of having to wait up to 30 minutes the max wait would be 10 minutes. Meanwhile you ensure many busses are driving between each city, allowing you to commute to work in the city (and transfer etc to busses there quickly), without wasting almost any time. You have direct busses that just go straight from one city to another, driving at full speed with no stops. You drastically cut back on the amount of normal cars driving and suddenly there is no more traffic/traffic jams at all. Instead of it taking 2 hours to commute to your job (it was like that in the bay area, and it's like that here in washington if you wanna commute to seattle or sometimes even tacoma from olympia), you can get there by bus in an hour or less. In addition it's $5 for a full day bus pass instead of spending $30+ in gas to commute each way (Every day). But that is literally just the tip of the ice burg, there are tons of other methods of making public transportation easier for everyone. The link I provided for instance is from a VERY old book/short story, but the general idea is to have moving tracks like in airports (in fact I think it predated those, and may be where they got the idea). In the book they have tracks near each other increasing in speed by 5mph up to fast speeds like 60mps. That is fiction and without a ton of failsafes etc would never work). But you could have a double track (size of current sidewalks) that moves 5mph in cities connecting all throughout the city, one for people standing still and the other for people walking/moving/running etc. Even bikes would work very well with a good public transportation system, and would be fair easier then the moving track (also electric scooters etc) which could be rented very cheap and returned anywhere in the city. Meanwhile you start actually investing time/energy/manpower into building high speed rail systems to connect larger cities over long distances. These go directly from one large city to another without any stops in between and can reach speeds over 200mph. A trip from portland oregon to seattle washington would take under an hour. A trip from The Bay Area CA to Seattle washington would take 3 hours. Eventually you could get anywhere you want to go in the US easily, and much faster then driving. The roads/freeways would be mainly used for trucks (including moving trucks) and busses. Cars would rarely be owned, all electronic, and usually just rented as needed. We have had the technology to implement something like that my whole life, instead traffic has gotten worse and the average time to commute has continued to increase. There are tons of other methods of implementing public transportation methods that would be far better than driving your own car. In fact, driving itself could also be used (carpooling or share ubering etc would be a way for many people to quickly drive to a specific destination for a fairly cheap price). China supposedly has a bullet train that can hit almost 400 mph, and if build here could in theory go from SF to NY in about 5 hours. Having multiple tracks to let one go direct and the other stop along the way, would allow you to get almost anywhere in the US within 8 hours easily. If we worked on public transportation we could create a system that is easy and cheap for everyone, help people get better jobs (while living in cheaper areas), and help reduce damage to the environment. Honestly we should have started working on this 30 years ago.</quote> Having the technology (if people want to trust in it) isnt the only problem. Theres also money. From my knowledge of the bus station I worked at, its not cheap to buy and maintain buses. We have barely an extra buses at my station. And we dont get much extra money to get new ones. And with the amount of buses and routes we have, we can only do the route once per hours. Some places have shorter bus route times (like every 30 or 15 minutes), but its money thats bigger factor. Not to mention that even in places with transportation, the stops dont reach everywhere So, it makes sense that people would rather get into a car and go directly to their destination from point A to B, instead of walking to a bus stop (on possible inclement weather), waiting for a bus for however long, and then having to go through each stop until your own (which could take however long depending on the route) Part of the reason for that is because thats how cities were built, as earlier stated while tripling the buses sounds like a good idea, its not feasible to just do it. It cost a ton of money that the companies cant actually afford. Or it would be a slow process, if anything. Like my bus company doesnt even make a lot of money. IIRC, they actually lose money quite often because they are giving heavy discounts to everyone for different reasons (medical, college, seniors, etc). They get money from the city to keep operating that way. But our city doesnt have much money thanks to the old town council So, tripling buses in many places would take much longer than you think Also, the max wait only goes to 10 if you have the right amount of buses. For example, tripling buses here would still require a 20 minute wait. And they still dont go everywhere. For our buses to go everywhere and be only 10 minute waits, you probably have to get 12 times the buses. And it still might not work The wait time isnt the only time you have to consider. You also have to consider the route time. Like ours in my current city is an hour per route. More buses shortens the wait time, but not the route time. And buses traveling between city would probably also take a while, as well And while it could cut down on some commutes, it could make others more hectic and timed. A car can, in some cases, help you make up time. On buses, you are completely at someone elses mercy And to have that many direct buses, were now talking about multiplying the amount of buses we have by like 100, at the very least. Way too many buses. Its easy to say get more buses. But buses cost a ton of money As for the airport moving tracks, they only work if people are walking forward on them. And many people probably wont, which would actually make things move slower And the faster ones actually sound quite dangerous I also dont think bikes would be safe on those tracks if moving. Idk about scooters. While they had those rented scooter things her for a while, I dont remember them being that good for transport, were costly, and got kicked out after a little while And dont forget the amount of money that would cost While the high speed rail thing sounds good, money is the problem again Very costly And thats the problem with almost everything youve posted. The money. None of that is cheap, or even feasible, based on price right now. Thats way expensive. And all thats going to do is raise our taxes. I think thats what happened in Washington State for a while. They raised taxes a certain amount to help them build something for public transport. And it wasnt even the stuff you mentioned. It was something that was far less expensive, IIRC And honestly, even if we had al that, Im pretty sure many people would still stick with driving</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 08/10/21 9:08:45 PM #55:	CoorsLight posted... We definitely need better public transportation but I'm sorry the idea of installing moving walkways all over the city so people can walk slightly faster is very bad if you take that idea away you need to replace it with a different one, go --- my resting temp can easily be in the 90's -Krazy_Kirby <cite>Mead posted [p:956968716] in Does socie... [t:79605592]...</cite> <quote>CoorsLight posted... </cite> <quote>We definitely need better public transportation but I'm sorry the idea of installing moving walkways all over the city so people can walk slightly faster is very bad</quote> if you take that idea away you need to replace it with a different one, go </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muscles 08/10/21 9:11:25 PM #56:	wolfy42 posted... We have the technology to make public transportation WAY more reliable and faster than driving yourself, easily. Unless we have personally taxis outside every house it won't be faster, it's like 20 steps from my front door to my car, and I can go directly where I want, no walking to a bus stop, waiting for the bus to come and then waiting for my stop which it might not even be going directly to --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies <cite>Muscles posted [p:956968798] in Does socie... [t:79605592]...</cite> <quote>wolfy42 posted... </cite> <quote>We have the technology to make public transportation WAY more reliable and faster than driving yourself, easily.</quote>Unless we have personally taxis outside every house it won't be faster, it's like 20 steps from my front door to my car, and I can go directly where I want, no walking to a bus stop, waiting for the bus to come and then waiting for my stop which it might not even be going directly to </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 08/10/21 9:18:47 PM #57:	Muscles posted... Unless we have personally taxis outside every house it won't be faster, it's like 20 steps from my front door to my car, and I can go directly where I want, no walking to a bus stop, waiting for the bus to come and then waiting for my stop which it might not even be going directly to Basically, this. Much faster to get in a car and go to your destination. Waiting for a bus takes time, not to mention that its sometimes full. And here, we have routes that are about an hour long, with like a 5-10 break when they get back to the station to use the bathroom or get water --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:956968989] in Does socie... [t:79605592]...</cite> <quote>Muscles posted...</cite> <quote>Unless we have personally taxis outside every house it won't be faster, it's like 20 steps from my front door to my car, and I can go directly where I want, no walking to a bus stop, waiting for the bus to come and then waiting for my stop which it might not even be going directly to</quote> Basically, this. Much faster to get in a car and go to your destination. Waiting for a bus takes time, not to mention that its sometimes full. And here, we have routes that are about an hour long, with like a 5-10 break when they get back to the station to use the bathroom or get water</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 08/10/21 9:21:19 PM #58:	Muscles posted... Unless we have personally taxis outside every house it won't be faster, it's like 20 steps from my front door to my car, and I can go directly where I want, no walking to a bus stop, waiting for the bus to come and then waiting for my stop which it might not even be going directly to ok but what if there are pods in front of everyones house, like little personal cars for automated rides around city areas? --- my resting temp can easily be in the 90's -Krazy_Kirby <cite>Mead posted [p:956969053] in Does socie... [t:79605592]...</cite> <quote>Muscles posted... </cite> <quote>Unless we have personally taxis outside every house it won't be faster, it's like 20 steps from my front door to my car, and I can go directly where I want, no walking to a bus stop, waiting for the bus to come and then waiting for my stop which it might not even be going directly to</quote> ok but what if there are pods in front of everyones house, like little personal cars for automated rides around city areas? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 08/10/21 9:22:56 PM #59:	Mead posted... ok but what if there are pods in front of everyones house, like little personal cars for automated rides around city areas? Depends on the pods, but would probably be to costly --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:956969100] in Does socie... [t:79605592]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>ok but what if there are pods in front of everyones house, like little personal cars for automated rides around city areas? </quote> Depends on the pods, but would probably be to costly</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 08/10/21 9:27:29 PM #60:	LinkPizza posted... Depends on the pods, but would probably be to costly how so? people already pay a lot for cars --- my resting temp can easily be in the 90's -Krazy_Kirby <cite>Mead posted [p:956969228] in Does socie... [t:79605592]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Depends on the pods, but would probably be to costly</quote> how so? people already pay a lot for cars </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zareth 08/10/21 9:28:34 PM #61:	Clench281 posted... Society would benefit from transitioning to greatly reduced car use and car ownership. The automobile and oil industry are too big to let that happen --- In my opinion, all slavery is wrong, even the really fancy kind - Mead <cite>Zareth posted [p:956969257] in Does socie... [t:79605592]...</cite> <quote>Clench281 posted... </cite> <quote>Society would benefit from transitioning to greatly reduced car use and car ownership.</quote>The automobile and oil industry are too big to let that happen </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 08/10/21 9:35:57 PM #62:	Mead posted... how so? people already pay a lot for cars That's why I said it depends on the pods. Different things like Speed on the pods, size of the pods, room in the pod, where it can goes, if you can put in direct coordinates for some places and choose how it gets to some places, and many other factors. Like if it goes to slow, some people may rather have a car to reach their destination in the same amount of time as always... Or if there's only room for one, many people may not get it if they have a family where they usually go together. The cost could be high, too. Automated cars cost much more than regular cars since they are basically giant computers on wheels... People pay for what they think something is worse. These pods will probably cost more regardless of everything it can do. But people probably wouldn't pay more if it's slower, smaller, and can't go exactly where they want it to go... But again, it depends... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:956969479] in Does socie... [t:79605592]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>how so? people already pay a lot for cars</quote> That's why I said it depends on the pods. Different things like Speed on the pods, size of the pods, room in the pod, where it can goes, if you can put in direct coordinates for some places and choose how it gets to some places, and many other factors. Like if it goes to slow, some people may rather have a car to reach their destination in the same amount of time as always... Or if there's only room for one, many people may not get it if they have a family where they usually go together. The cost could be high, too. Automated cars cost much more than regular cars since they are basically giant computers on wheels... People pay for what they think something is worse. These pods will probably cost more regardless of everything it can do. But people probably wouldn't pay more if it's slower, smaller, and can't go exactly where they want it to go... But again, it depends...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 08/10/21 9:37:41 PM #63:	the pods in my mind are economically designed but also very customizable if people want more than just a base model --- my resting temp can easily be in the 90's -Krazy_Kirby <cite>Mead posted [p:956969524] in Does socie... [t:79605592]...</cite> <quote>the pods in my mind are economically designed but also very customizable if people want more than just a base model </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 08/10/21 9:40:02 PM #64:	Mead posted... the pods in my mind are economically designed but also very customizable if people want more than just a base model So, it's probably the speed and price that'll be the main factors. And navigation system... Especially since the price will most likely change based on the customized version you get. Not only are customized things usually more. But the getting things like more size, more room, etc... would probably cost more, I would think... Not to mention the already hefty price... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:956969585] in Does socie... [t:79605592]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>the pods in my mind are economically designed but also very customizable if people want more than just a base model</quote> So, it's probably the speed and price that'll be the main factors. And navigation system... Especially since the price will most likely change based on the customized version you get. Not only are customized things usually more. But the getting things like more size, more room, etc... would probably cost more, I would think... Not to mention the already hefty price...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CoorsLight 08/10/21 10:07:11 PM #65:	Mead posted... if you take that idea away you need to replace it with a different one, go I think that on the sides of the road, we should have some additional paving such as concrete, and have this as an area for people to walk on. It can be slightly elevated to keep cars from driving on it, and they can put things like trees, lights and planter boxes here and there. <cite>CoorsLight posted [p:956970316] in Does socie... [t:79605592]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted... </cite> <quote>if you take that idea away you need to replace it with a different one, go</quote> I think that on the sides of the road, we should have some additional paving such as concrete, and have this as an area for people to walk on. It can be slightly elevated to keep cars from driving on it, and they can put things like trees, lights and planter boxes here and there. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 08/11/21 8:19:24 AM #66:	Revelation34 posted... I see no studies. People are not using parking lots during a pandemic? I'm shocked. Also what does real estate have to do with roads? https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/19/technology/uber-driverless-fatality.html Nobody likes to recreationally drive with the gas prices the way they are now. Gas prices are actually still pretty low compared to what they had been once. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:956979596] in Does socie... [t:79605592]...</cite> <quote>Revelation34 posted... </cite> <quote>I see no studies. People are not using parking lots during a pandemic? I'm shocked. Also what does real estate have to do with roads? https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/19/technology/uber-driverless-fatality.html Nobody likes to recreationally drive with the gas prices the way they are now.</quote> Gas prices are actually still pretty low compared to what they had been once. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 08/11/21 8:21:02 AM #67:	CoorsLight posted... I think that on the sides of the road, we should have some additional paving such as concrete, and have this as an area for people to walk on. It can be slightly elevated to keep cars from driving on it, and they can put things like trees, lights and planter boxes here and there. You mean a sidewalk? --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:956979620] in Does socie... [t:79605592]...</cite> <quote>CoorsLight posted... </cite> <quote>I think that on the sides of the road, we should have some additional paving such as concrete, and have this as an area for people to walk on. It can be slightly elevated to keep cars from driving on it, and they can put things like trees, lights and planter boxes here and there.</quote> You mean a sidewalk? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Sonic 08/11/21 8:54:58 AM #68:	mooreandrew58 posted... Gas prices are actually still pretty low compared to what they had been once. Maybe I'm picky but I think anything over $2.30/gal is too much. --- It is more important to use your anonymity to upset other people than it is to do anything productive. <cite>Solid Sonic posted [p:956980252] in Does socie... [t:79605592]...</cite> <quote>mooreandrew58 posted... </cite> <quote>Gas prices are actually still pretty low compared to what they had been once.</quote> Maybe I'm picky but I think anything over $2.30/gal is too much. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 08/11/21 9:14:23 AM #69:	Revelation34 posted... People are not using parking lots during a pandemic? I'm shocked. "Completely empty or just storing an empty car." That comment has nothing to do with the pandemic, that's just how parking lots work. Revelation34 posted... Also what does real estate have to do with roads? Roads occupy land, land which can't be used for anything else outside of occasional parades or street parties that temporarily close them. Muscles posted... I was hoping it would be a bigger part of the discussion, you weren't the issue as you actually did contribute At risk of sounding arrogant, I don't think there's much more to discuss than what I said. Yes, some people do simply enjoy driving, but the vast, vast majority of the infrastructure and culture surrounding driving is dedicated to people that are driving out of necessity or convenience, not for fun (and, in fact, most traffic infrastructure isn't even used by people driving for fun, because stopping for traffic lights every other block isn't much fun). As such, designing that infrastructure and culture around people who drive for fun makes no sense. Opportunities will always exist to drive for those who want to, but preserving that isn't a reason to not try to improve commuting with radical paradigm shifts. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:956980609] in Does socie... [t:79605592]...</cite> <quote>Revelation34 posted... </cite> <quote>People are not using parking lots during a pandemic? I'm shocked.</quote> "Completely empty or just storing an empty car." That comment has nothing to do with the pandemic, that's just how parking lots work. Revelation34 posted... </cite> <quote>Also what does real estate have to do with roads?</quote> Roads occupy land, land which can't be used for anything else outside of occasional parades or street parties that temporarily close them. Muscles posted... </cite> <quote>I was hoping it would be a bigger part of the discussion, you weren't the issue as you actually did contribute</quote> At risk of sounding arrogant, I don't think there's much more to discuss than what I said. Yes, some people do simply enjoy driving, but the vast, vast majority of the infrastructure and culture surrounding driving is dedicated to people that are driving out of necessity or convenience, not for fun (and, in fact, most traffic infrastructure isn't even used by people driving for fun, because stopping for traffic lights every other block isn't much fun). As such, designing that infrastructure and culture around people who drive for fun makes no sense. Opportunities will always exist to drive for those who want to, but preserving that isn't a reason to not try to improve commuting with radical paradigm shifts. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 08/11/21 9:39:48 AM #70:	mooreandrew58 posted... You mean a sidewalk? I think he was saying no need to change it or anything --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:956981142] in Does socie... [t:79605592]...</cite> <quote>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote>You mean a sidewalk?</quote> I think he was saying no need to change it or anything</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 08/11/21 1:07:06 PM #71:	LinkPizza posted... I think he was saying no need to change it or anything I wasn't trying to be asinine. Just sounded like a sidewalk is what was being described. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:956986471] in Does socie... [t:79605592]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>I think he was saying no need to change it or anything</quote> I wasn't trying to be asinine. Just sounded like a sidewalk is what was being described. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 08/11/21 1:09:53 PM #72:	adjl posted... Roads occupy land, land which can't be used for anything else outside of occasional parades or street parties that temporarily close them. Roads themselves are not part of real estate though. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:956986538] in Does socie... [t:79605592]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>Roads occupy land, land which can't be used for anything else outside of occasional parades or street parties that temporarily close them.</quote> Roads themselves are not part of real estate though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 08/11/21 1:15:03 PM #73:	Revelation34 posted... Roads themselves are not part of real estate though. They could be, if they weren't roads. mooreandrew58 posted... I wasn't trying to be asinine. Just sounded like a sidewalk is what was being described. Pretty sure that's the joke. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:956986690] in Does socie... [t:79605592]...</cite> <quote>Revelation34 posted... </cite> <quote>Roads themselves are not part of real estate though.</quote> They could be, if they weren't roads. mooreandrew58 posted... </cite> <quote>I wasn't trying to be asinine. Just sounded like a sidewalk is what was being described.</quote> Pretty sure that's the joke. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 08/11/21 1:29:11 PM #74:	mooreandrew58 posted... I wasn't trying to be asinine. Just sounded like a sidewalk is what was being described. Yeah. Thats what he was describing --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:956987111] in Does socie... [t:79605592]...</cite> <quote>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote>I wasn't trying to be asinine. Just sounded like a sidewalk is what was being described.</quote> Yeah. Thats what he was describing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 08/11/21 2:24:39 PM #75:	adjl posted... They could be, if they weren't roads. Pretty sure that's the joke. Didn't realize it was a joke I was drunk. Half the time I post im drunk so forgive me. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:956988711] in Does socie... [t:79605592]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted... </cite> <quote>They could be, if they weren't roads. Pretty sure that's the joke.</quote> Didn't realize it was a joke I was drunk. Half the time I post im drunk so forgive me. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 08/11/21 2:25:38 PM #76:	I'm sorry, forgiveness was never an option. You will suffer a deduction of 6 points. This is not negotiable. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:956988753] in Does socie... [t:79605592]...</cite> <quote>I'm sorry, forgiveness was never an option. You will suffer a deduction of 6 points. This is not negotiable. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OHJOY90 08/11/21 8:21:51 PM #77:	I hope not, I'm really close to passing my test. --- 3DS Friend Code: 3480-2661-5116 https://www.twitch.tv/ohjoy90 <cite>OHJOY90 posted [p:956999015] in Does socie... [t:79605592]...</cite> <quote>I hope not, I'm really close to passing my test. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wolfy42 08/11/21 9:24:58 PM #78:	Yeah, the whole buss and group transport thing would be a major change, but if you stopped buying cars, didn't have to pay insurance, didn't have to pay gas etc, you could afford to pay for uber trips etc easily when you wanted to go somewhere fast. Electric cars are also a viable option, but again, it makes more sense as a nation to focus on making public transportation (and using electric buses in the future probably), a more viable/easy option. It won't work for everywhere, but you could improve the system we currently have. As far as not making it faster then the current setup, it really isn't hard considering how bad traffic is right now. If you halved the traffic and added direct busses, in many places you would have the commute time. To get from olympia to Tacoma alone in the morning can take 1-2 hours, but if there was no traffic at all, you could do it in a bit over 30 minutes. That would be great if it was just a car you owned, but the problem is too many people trying to do that at once, causes massive traffic jams, so it takes forever. But what if you halved the people doing that, added busses that did a direct drive from olympia to tacoma in 30 minutes. You could drop an 1 1/2 commute to only 30 minutes each day, and you even get to read/watch a show on your phone etc while doing it. You wouldn't change everything all at once, but you could start working in that direction, making it easier and easier for people to use public transportation. Perhaps make the commute lane into a bus/carpool lane only for instance (instead of only needing 2 people in the car). That lane would be free of traffic so right away busses could do the trip in 30 minutes while everyone else is taking 90. Over time more and more people would use the bus, and as there was more demand (and therefore more money being made), more busses would be added. A fairly full buss is certainly gonna make a decent profit, especially per day. Anyway, we really need to start making more/easier public transportation options for people, especially as our elderly population keeps getting larger. We are gonna have a ton of people who can't drive themselves anymore. --- Tacobot 3000 "Saving the world from not having tacos." Friends don't make their friends die Hanz. Psychopathic friends do. <cite>wolfy42 posted [p:957000897] in Does socie... [t:79605592]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, the whole buss and group transport thing would be a major change, but if you stopped buying cars, didn't have to pay insurance, didn't have to pay gas etc, you could afford to pay for uber trips etc easily when you wanted to go somewhere fast. Electric cars are also a viable option, but again, it makes more sense as a nation to focus on making public transportation (and using electric buses in the future probably), a more viable/easy option. It won't work for everywhere, but you could improve the system we currently have. As far as not making it faster then the current setup, it really isn't hard considering how bad traffic is right now. If you halved the traffic and added direct busses, in many places you would have the commute time. To get from olympia to Tacoma alone in the morning can take 1-2 hours, but if there was no traffic at all, you could do it in a bit over 30 minutes. That would be great if it was just a car you owned, but the problem is too many people trying to do that at once, causes massive traffic jams, so it takes forever. But what if you halved the people doing that, added busses that did a direct drive from olympia to tacoma in 30 minutes. You could drop an 1 1/2 commute to only 30 minutes each day, and you even get to read/watch a show on your phone etc while doing it. You wouldn't change everything all at once, but you could start working in that direction, making it easier and easier for people to use public transportation. Perhaps make the commute lane into a bus/carpool lane only for instance (instead of only needing 2 people in the car). That lane would be free of traffic so right away busses could do the trip in 30 minutes while everyone else is taking 90. Over time more and more people would use the bus, and as there was more demand (and therefore more money being made), more busses would be added. A fairly full buss is certainly gonna make a decent profit, especially per day. Anyway, we really need to start making more/easier public transportation options for people, especially as our elderly population keeps getting larger. We are gonna have a ton of people who can't drive themselves anymore. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CoorsLight 08/11/21 9:34:25 PM #79:	Your spelling of it as "buss" is really driving me nuts <cite>CoorsLight posted [p:957001164] in Does socie... [t:79605592]...</cite> <quote>Your spelling of it as "buss" is really driving me nuts </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 08/11/21 10:30:17 PM #80:	wolfy42 posted... Yeah, the whole buss and group transport thing would be a major change, but if you stopped buying cars, didn't have to pay insurance, didn't have to pay gas etc, you could afford to pay for uber trips etc easily when you wanted to go somewhere fast. Electric cars are also a viable option, but again, it makes more sense as a nation to focus on making public transportation (and using electric buses in the future probably), a more viable/easy option. It won't work for everywhere, but you could improve the system we currently have. As far as not making it faster then the current setup, it really isn't hard considering how bad traffic is right now. If you halved the traffic and added direct busses, in many places you would have the commute time. To get from olympia to Tacoma alone in the morning can take 1-2 hours, but if there was no traffic at all, you could do it in a bit over 30 minutes. That would be great if it was just a car you owned, but the problem is too many people trying to do that at once, causes massive traffic jams, so it takes forever. But what if you halved the people doing that, added busses that did a direct drive from olympia to tacoma in 30 minutes. You could drop an 1 1/2 commute to only 30 minutes each day, and you even get to read/watch a show on your phone etc while doing it. You wouldn't change everything all at once, but you could start working in that direction, making it easier and easier for people to use public transportation. Perhaps make the commute lane into a bus/carpool lane only for instance (instead of only needing 2 people in the car). That lane would be free of traffic so right away busses could do the trip in 30 minutes while everyone else is taking 90. Over time more and more people would use the bus, and as there was more demand (and therefore more money being made), more busses would be added. A fairly full buss is certainly gonna make a decent profit, especially per day. Anyway, we really need to start making more/easier public transportation options for people, especially as our elderly population keeps getting larger. We are gonna have a ton of people who can't drive themselves anymore. Sure. I could pay for Uber. But why pay other people and have to wait when I could just use the same money and go where I want to go when I want to go. No waiting, no extra money because I forgot my wallet and have to go back, no having to take every driving to the visitors center to get a pass, etc I like to go where I want to go when I want to go. And many people dont always feel safe with a stranger. Or comfortable. Plus, I like to nap in my car during work sometimes Plus, it wouldnt be fast if everybody was using Uber. As for buses, they do get full sometimes. And thats with the limited number of riders we have since many people here have personal vehicles. I can only imagine what it would be like if everybody had to use them And my town isnt even that big As for the time, depends on how fast the buses actually travel. Even with a little heavier traffic, the buses can move at full speed. But they usually keep a safe speed since they take longer to stop because of the weight. Meaning that they may not move that much faster just because of less traffic if they were moving the max speed they already were able to already That changes based on where it is, though Either way, thats you assuming the commute will drop. Even if the commute dropped, the amount you proposed (dropping an hour) seems to high an amount. That seems more like wishful thinking Buses can and do go fast. But usually not as fast as cars. So, the trip would be less, but you probably wouldnt be shaving if an hour. Or course, this does depend on the area and why it takes so long As for making public transport easy, its already easy. The problem is how inconvenient it is for most people And how far bus stops can be from the places they need to go. Why walking down the street and a couple of blocks over to ride the bus, when you can go to your driveway or garage? Why get dropped off at the corner when you can get a parking space in front of the store? Why only by a couple of bags at the grocery store when you need more because many uses have a bag limit? Pet transport is harder, as well Why have to carry all your bags with you when out for a day of shopping since you dont have a car to offload your stuff? Why carry your other bags and stuff when you would normally leave it in the car? Its just more inconvenient than having a personal vehicle in most cases As for the money, I think you are overestimating how much buses make. We get a bunch of full buses at the station I work at, and dont really get much. For them to get a ton of money to buy many buses, the price would need to rise. Probably higher than the cost of Taxis. At least for a while. Theyd also have to start charging kids, students, and seniors not only full price, but a higher price, as well So, no. A fairly full bus right now doesnt normally make a decent profit everyday. Bus rides are cheap. Ive seen them count the money for a days worth and weeks worth before. Its not good. And thats before you get to the money they need for gas for all of them, and parts, and maintenance, and the people they currently pay --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:957002762] in Does socie... [t:79605592]...</cite> <quote>wolfy42 posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah, the whole buss and group transport thing would be a major change, but if you stopped buying cars, didn't have to pay insurance, didn't have to pay gas etc, you could afford to pay for uber trips etc easily when you wanted to go somewhere fast. Electric cars are also a viable option, but again, it makes more sense as a nation to focus on making public transportation (and using electric buses in the future probably), a more viable/easy option. It won't work for everywhere, but you could improve the system we currently have. As far as not making it faster then the current setup, it really isn't hard considering how bad traffic is right now. If you halved the traffic and added direct busses, in many places you would have the commute time. To get from olympia to Tacoma alone in the morning can take 1-2 hours, but if there was no traffic at all, you could do it in a bit over 30 minutes. That would be great if it was just a car you owned, but the problem is too many people trying to do that at once, causes massive traffic jams, so it takes forever. But what if you halved the people doing that, added busses that did a direct drive from olympia to tacoma in 30 minutes. You could drop an 1 1/2 commute to only 30 minutes each day, and you even get to read/watch a show on your phone etc while doing it. You wouldn't change everything all at once, but you could start working in that direction, making it easier and easier for people to use public transportation. Perhaps make the commute lane into a bus/carpool lane only for instance (instead of only needing 2 people in the car). That lane would be free of traffic so right away busses could do the trip in 30 minutes while everyone else is taking 90. Over time more and more people would use the bus, and as there was more demand (and therefore more money being made), more busses would be added. A fairly full buss is certainly gonna make a decent profit, especially per day. Anyway, we really need to start making more/easier public transportation options for people, especially as our elderly population keeps getting larger. We are gonna have a ton of people who can't drive themselves anymore.</quote> Sure. I could pay for Uber. But why pay other people and have to wait when I could just use the same money and go where I want to go when I want to go. No waiting, no extra money because I forgot my wallet and have to go back, no having to take every driving to the visitors center to get a pass, etc I like to go where I want to go when I want to go. And many people dont always feel safe with a stranger. Or comfortable. Plus, I like to nap in my car during work sometimes Plus, it wouldnt be fast if everybody was using Uber. As for buses, they do get full sometimes. And thats with the limited number of riders we have since many people here have personal vehicles. I can only imagine what it would be like if everybody had to use them And my town isnt even that big As for the time, depends on how fast the buses actually travel. Even with a little heavier traffic, the buses can move at full speed. But they usually keep a safe speed since they take longer to stop because of the weight. Meaning that they may not move that much faster just because of less traffic if they were moving the max speed they already were able to already That changes based on where it is, though Either way, thats you assuming the commute will drop. Even if the commute dropped, the amount you proposed (dropping an hour) seems to high an amount. That seems more like wishful thinking Buses can and do go fast. But usually not as fast as cars. So, the trip would be less, but you probably wouldnt be shaving if an hour. Or course, this does depend on the area and why it takes so long As for making public transport easy, its already easy. The problem is how inconvenient it is for most people And how far bus stops can be from the places they need to go. Why walking down the street and a couple of blocks over to ride the bus, when you can go to your driveway or garage? Why get dropped off at the corner when you can get a parking space in front of the store? Why only by a couple of bags at the grocery store when you need more because many uses have a bag limit? Pet transport is harder, as well Why have to carry all your bags with you when out for a day of shopping since you dont have a car to offload your stuff? Why carry your other bags and stuff when you would normally leave it in the car? Its just more inconvenient than having a personal vehicle in most cases As for the money, I think you are overestimating how much buses make. We get a bunch of full buses at the station I work at, and dont really get much. For them to get a ton of money to buy many buses, the price would need to rise. Probably higher than the cost of Taxis. At least for a while. Theyd also have to start charging kids, students, and seniors not only full price, but a higher price, as well So, no. A fairly full bus right now doesnt normally make a decent profit everyday. Bus rides are cheap. Ive seen them count the money for a days worth and weeks worth before. Its not good. And thats before you get to the money they need for gas for all of them, and parts, and maintenance, and the people they currently pay</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CoorsLight 08/12/21 1:11:05 AM #81:	We know dude <cite>CoorsLight posted [p:957006672] in Does socie... [t:79605592]...</cite> <quote>We know dude </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clench281 08/12/21 5:16:28 AM #82:	LinkPizza posted... Why get dropped off at the corner when you can get a parking space in front of the store? The USA health system would greatly benefit if people did things like walked from the corner instead of parking right next to the store --- Take me for what I am -- who I was meant to be. And if you give a damn, take me baby, or leave me. <cite>Clench281 posted [p:957009575] in Does socie... [t:79605592]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Why get dropped off at the corner when you can get a parking space in front of the store?</quote> The USA health system would greatly benefit if people did things like walked from the corner instead of parking right next to the store </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 08/12/21 6:11:33 AM #83:	Clench281 posted... The USA health system would greatly benefit if people did things like walked from the corner instead of parking right next to the store Some could walk more. Some also had a long day at work, and maybe dont want to walk more --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:957010168] in Does socie... [t:79605592]...</cite> <quote>Clench281 posted...</cite> <quote>The USA health system would greatly benefit if people did things like walked from the corner instead of parking right next to the store</quote> Some could walk more. Some also had a long day at work, and maybe dont want to walk more</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clench281 08/12/21 6:32:43 AM #84:	LinkPizza posted... Some could walk more. Some also had a long day at work, and maybe dont want to walk more If those long days were sedentary, again, they should walk. If not, they aren't the ones who need it. --- Take me for what I am -- who I was meant to be. And if you give a damn, take me baby, or leave me. <cite>Clench281 posted [p:957010398] in Does socie... [t:79605592]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Some could walk more. Some also had a long day at work, and maybe dont want to walk more</quote> If those long days were sedentary, again, they should walk. If not, they aren't the ones who need it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 08/12/21 6:42:49 AM #85:	Clench281 posted... If those long days were sedentary, again, they should walk. If not, they aren't the ones who need it. I never said they were sedentary. And even if they were, they still probably don't want to walk. Which is why they'd rather park next to the store. It be safer, as well, as being tired could cause they to not pay as much attention when walking to the store... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:957010498] in Does socie... [t:79605592]...</cite> <quote>Clench281 posted...</cite> <quote>If those long days were sedentary, again, they should walk. If not, they aren't the ones who need it.</quote> I never said they were sedentary. And even if they were, they still probably don't want to walk. Which is why they'd rather park next to the store. It be safer, as well, as being tired could cause they to not pay as much attention when walking to the store...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clench281 08/12/21 6:54:24 AM #86:	LinkPizza posted... I never said they were sedentary. And even if they were, they still probably don't want to walk. Which is why they'd rather park next to the store. It be safer, as well, as being tired could cause they to not pay as much attention when walking to the store... Correct, you never said whether or not they were sedentary, hence I provided both scenarios. Come on, you're better than this. --- Take me for what I am -- who I was meant to be. And if you give a damn, take me baby, or leave me. <cite>Clench281 posted [p:957010614] in Does socie... [t:79605592]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>I never said they were sedentary. And even if they were, they still probably don't want to walk. Which is why they'd rather park next to the store. It be safer, as well, as being tired could cause they to not pay as much attention when walking to the store...</quote> Correct, you never said whether or not they were sedentary, hence I provided both scenarios. Come on, you're better than this. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 08/12/21 7:02:58 AM #87:	Clench281 posted... Correct, you never said whether or not they were sedentary, hence I provided both scenarios. Come on, you're better than this. That's because I could care less about whether their job was sedentary or not. You can see that in my last post. Doesn't change what I said in the first post, either. As I said, either way, after a long day, they probably don't want to walk. If they wanted to walk, they would. And they could easily do so at a different time/place rather than when going to the store. And honestly, if they are going to walk around the store anyway, they'll get some walking while in there... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:957010710] in Does socie... [t:79605592]...</cite> <quote>Clench281 posted...</cite> <quote>Correct, you never said whether or not they were sedentary, hence I provided both scenarios. Come on, you're better than this.</quote> That's because I could care less about whether their job was sedentary or not. You can see that in my last post. Doesn't change what I said in the first post, either. As I said, either way, after a long day, they probably don't want to walk. If they wanted to walk, they would. And they could easily do so at a different time/place rather than when going to the store. And honestly, if they are going to walk around the store anyway, they'll get some walking while in there...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clench281 08/12/21 7:36:30 AM #88:	LinkPizza posted... That's because I could care less about whether their job was sedentary or not. You can see that in my last post. Doesn't change what I said in the first post, either. As I said, either way, after a long day, they probably don't want to walk. If they wanted to walk, they would. And they could easily do so at a different time/place rather than when going to the store. And honestly, if they are going to walk around the store anyway, they'll get some walking while in there... Do you think America's obesity problem is going to solve itself by people only walking when they want to? That literally describes the status quo. I don't care whether they want to or not. I'm describing what would be good for them. --- Take me for what I am -- who I was meant to be. And if you give a damn, take me baby, or leave me. <cite>Clench281 posted [p:957011095] in Does socie... [t:79605592]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>That's because I could care less about whether their job was sedentary or not. You can see that in my last post. Doesn't change what I said in the first post, either. As I said, either way, after a long day, they probably don't want to walk. If they wanted to walk, they would. And they could easily do so at a different time/place rather than when going to the store. And honestly, if they are going to walk around the store anyway, they'll get some walking while in there...</quote> Do you think America's obesity problem is going to solve itself by people only walking when they want to? That literally describes the status quo. I don't care whether they want to or not. I'm describing what would be good for them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 08/12/21 7:42:39 AM #89:	Clench281 posted... Do you think America's obesity problem is going to solve itself by people only walking when they want to? That literally describes the status quo. I don't care whether they want to or not. I'm describing what would be good for them. Do you think just walking all the time will solve their problems? Because it won't. There's more to it. Like a change in diet. And the actual want to change. You can walk all day and still be obese if you still don't change your diet. And honestly, more exercising that walking should be done, as well. Walking alone isn't going to do anything. So yeah, I think it's fine if people only walk when they want to... So, if they had a long day, it's probably safer for them to park closer to the store... And that's fine. Most people aren't going to want to walk however far to get to the store and back. Especially when you add in other stuff, as well... Just let people live their life the way they want to... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:957011180] in Does socie... [t:79605592]...</cite> <quote>Clench281 posted...</cite> <quote>Do you think America's obesity problem is going to solve itself by people only walking when they want to? That literally describes the status quo. I don't care whether they want to or not. I'm describing what would be good for them.</quote> Do you think just walking all the time will solve their problems? Because it won't. There's more to it. Like a change in diet. And the actual want to change. You can walk all day and still be obese if you still don't change your diet. And honestly, more exercising that walking should be done, as well. Walking alone isn't going to do anything. So yeah, I think it's fine if people only walk when they want to... So, if they had a long day, it's probably safer for them to park closer to the store... And that's fine. Most people aren't going to want to walk however far to get to the store and back. Especially when you add in other stuff, as well... Just let people live their life the way they want to...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clench281 08/12/21 7:48:06 AM #90:	It's amazing that you wrote that whole paragraph without adding anything insightful. The thrust of my point is that sedentary people should walk more to improve their health. That's not something you can argue. Well, you'll try (and be wrong) to argue, but that's what we've come to expect from you. --- Take me for what I am -- who I was meant to be. And if you give a damn, take me baby, or leave me. <cite>Clench281 posted [p:957011270] in Does socie... [t:79605592]...</cite> <quote>It's amazing that you wrote that whole paragraph without adding anything insightful. The thrust of my point is that sedentary people should walk more to improve their health. That's not something you can argue. Well, you'll try (and be wrong) to argue, but that's what we've come to expect from you. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 08/12/21 7:55:46 AM #91:	Clench281 posted... It's amazing that you wrote that whole paragraph without adding anything insightful. The thrust of my point is that sedentary people should walk more to improve their health. That's not something you can argue. Well, you'll try (and be wrong) to argue, but that's what we've come to expect from you. I disagree. I think what I said was insightful enough. Moe than what you're saying, at the very least. I think people (even sedentary) should walk when they want to. If they don't want to want from the bus stop to the store after a long day at work, that's fine... And if they want to improve, they'll do it... And I don't really care what you've come to expect from me. Based on many of our other conversations... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:957011409] in Does socie... [t:79605592]...</cite> <quote>Clench281 posted...</cite> <quote>It's amazing that you wrote that whole paragraph without adding anything insightful. The thrust of my point is that sedentary people should walk more to improve their health. That's not something you can argue. Well, you'll try (and be wrong) to argue, but that's what we've come to expect from you. </quote> I disagree. I think what I said was insightful enough. Moe than what you're saying, at the very least. I think people (even sedentary) should walk when they want to. If they don't want to want from the bus stop to the store after a long day at work, that's fine... And if they want to improve, they'll do it... And I don't really care what you've come to expect from me. Based on many of our other conversations...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReggieTheReckless 08/12/21 7:56:58 AM #92:	What a strange topic. All of you public transportation people are delusional. Excuse me if I enjoy my car and going where/when I want and getting to stay away from all the smelly weirdos and homeless people jerking off and screaming at strangers on busses. I generally drive from Florida to the Chicago area straight through once a year to visit family. My car gets 45-50mpg highway, and it is cheaper and less hassle than airplane tickets for the fam and a rental car (which I would need because who the fuck travels somewhere to stay in one place. Even visiting friends for me requires an hours drive sometimes) You guys live in some fantasy land where not only are buses clean and safe and lovely to ride on, but that there's a bus that on command will take you exactly where you need to at any given moment. Ugh, it's like none of you have ever worked in retail, a gas station, or fast food. It is a treat and pleasure to get to avoid the disgustingly idiotic and rude general populous by having personal transportation. My skin crawls just thinking about having to lower myself to get on the bus with a bunch of gross "public transportation" people that are like they were from people of Walmart dot Com but 100x worse and deal with the fucking bums and crazies <cite>ReggieTheReckless posted [p:957011427] in Does socie... [t:79605592]...</cite> <quote>What a strange topic. All of you public transportation people are delusional. Excuse me if I enjoy my car and going where/when I want and getting to stay away from all the smelly weirdos and homeless people jerking off and screaming at strangers on busses. I generally drive from Florida to the Chicago area straight through once a year to visit family. My car gets 45-50mpg highway, and it is cheaper and less hassle than airplane tickets for the fam and a rental car (which I would need because who the fuck travels somewhere to stay in one place. Even visiting friends for me requires an hours drive sometimes) You guys live in some fantasy land where not only are buses clean and safe and lovely to ride on, but that there's a bus that on command will take you exactly where you need to at any given moment. Ugh, it's like none of you have ever worked in retail, a gas station, or fast food. It is a treat and pleasure to get to avoid the disgustingly idiotic and rude general populous by having personal transportation. My skin crawls just thinking about having to lower myself to get on the bus with a bunch of gross "public transportation" people that are like they were from people of Walmart dot Com but 100x worse and deal with the fucking bums and crazies </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 08/12/21 7:59:20 AM #93:	Clench281 posted... It's amazing that you wrote that whole paragraph without adding anything insightful. The thrust of my point is that sedentary people should walk more to improve their health. That's not something you can argue. Well, you'll try (and be wrong) to argue, but that's what we've come to expect from you. Walking a block or two from the car to the store aint gonna help lose weight. I barely lost weight at work and I average 5 miles a day and thats the minimum. I assume everyone else is averaging about the same at my job and we got some obese people. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:957011465] in Does socie... [t:79605592]...</cite> <quote>Clench281 posted... </cite> <quote>It's amazing that you wrote that whole paragraph without adding anything insightful. The thrust of my point is that sedentary people should walk more to improve their health. That's not something you can argue. Well, you'll try (and be wrong) to argue, but that's what we've come to expect from you.</quote> Walking a block or two from the car to the store aint gonna help lose weight. I barely lost weight at work and I average 5 miles a day and thats the minimum. I assume everyone else is averaging about the same at my job and we got some obese people. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 08/12/21 8:01:33 AM #94:	mooreandrew58 posted... Walking a block or two from the car to the store aint gonna help lose weight. I barely lost weight at work and I average 5 miles a day and thats the minimum. I assume everyone else is averaging about the same at my job and we got some obese people. Not only that. They'd probably get more walking done in the store than on the way to the store from the bus stop, depending on what they want to buy... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:957011498] in Does socie... [t:79605592]...</cite> <quote>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote>Walking a block or two from the car to the store aint gonna help lose weight. I barely lost weight at work and I average 5 miles a day and thats the minimum. I assume everyone else is averaging about the same at my job and we got some obese people. </quote> Not only that. They'd probably get more walking done in the store than on the way to the store from the bus stop, depending on what they want to buy...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 08/12/21 8:04:57 AM #95:	LinkPizza posted... Not only that. They'd probably get more walking done in the store than on the way to the store from the bus stop, depending on what they want to buy... My point was its not consistent enough to begin with. People don't typically go to the store everyday I do park further away from the store but I have 2 reasons. Mainly its just easier to find a parking spot. 2 lesser reason is id rather not take up a closer spot that someone with problems could use. Like medical issues (pain in the knees etc.) But nothing enough to get a disability tag. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:957011545] in Does socie... [t:79605592]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Not only that. They'd probably get more walking done in the store than on the way to the store from the bus stop, depending on what they want to buy...</quote> My point was its not consistent enough to begin with. People don't typically go to the store everyday I do park further away from the store but I have 2 reasons. Mainly its just easier to find a parking spot. 2 lesser reason is id rather not take up a closer spot that someone with problems could use. Like medical issues (pain in the knees etc.) But nothing enough to get a disability tag. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clench281 08/12/21 8:08:06 AM #96:	mooreandrew58 posted... Walking a block or two from the car to the store aint gonna help lose weight. I barely lost weight at work and I average 5 miles a day and thats the minimum. I assume everyone else is averaging about the same at my job and we got some obese people. Walking more provides cardiovascular benefits even in those who remain overweight. And, obviously, without the walking their weight could be even greater. Weight gain often creeps slowly up on people in their adult life, and little behavior changes have large cumulative effects. The difference in caloric expenditure of taking the stairs (single flight) vs taking the elevator every day at work or at home adds up to 1-2 lbs annually. --- Take me for what I am -- who I was meant to be. And if you give a damn, take me baby, or leave me. <cite>Clench281 posted [p:957011594] in Does socie... [t:79605592]...</cite> <quote>mooreandrew58 posted... </cite> <quote>Walking a block or two from the car to the store aint gonna help lose weight. I barely lost weight at work and I average 5 miles a day and thats the minimum. I assume everyone else is averaging about the same at my job and we got some obese people.</quote> Walking more provides cardiovascular benefits even in those who remain overweight. And, obviously, without the walking their weight could be even greater. Weight gain often creeps slowly up on people in their adult life, and little behavior changes have large cumulative effects. The difference in caloric expenditure of taking the stairs (single flight) vs taking the elevator every day at work or at home adds up to 1-2 lbs annually. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 08/12/21 8:09:51 AM #97:	mooreandrew58 posted... My point was its not consistent enough to begin with. People don't typically go to the store everyday That's true, as well... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:957011628] in Does socie... [t:79605592]...</cite> <quote>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote>My point was its not consistent enough to begin with. People don't typically go to the store everyday</quote> That's true, as well...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 08/12/21 8:14:21 AM #98:	Clench281 posted... Walking more provides cardiovascular benefits even in those who remain overweight. And, obviously, without the walking their weight could be even greater. Weight gain often creeps slowly up on people in their adult life, and little behavior changes have large cumulative effects. The difference in caloric expenditure of taking the stairs (single flight) vs taking the elevator every day at work or at home adds up to 1-2 lbs annually. Youre ignoring people don't go to the store everyday. Probably once a week at most realistically every 2 weeks. That's not enough walking to help anything by any noticeable measure. Like I said I walk 5 miles a day at work minimum and I think over the course of 2 years at this job I lost maybe 30 lbs. Take note that im lucky to get 5 days off a month so I'm practically doing this every day. And I have a small appetite. I either only eat once a day or have several small meals a day. On work days usually 3 small meals. I'll eat like literally just half a chicken sandwich and save the other half for like 3-4 hours later --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:957011707] in Does socie... [t:79605592]...</cite> <quote>Clench281 posted... </cite> <quote>Walking more provides cardiovascular benefits even in those who remain overweight. And, obviously, without the walking their weight could be even greater. Weight gain often creeps slowly up on people in their adult life, and little behavior changes have large cumulative effects. The difference in caloric expenditure of taking the stairs (single flight) vs taking the elevator every day at work or at home adds up to 1-2 lbs annually.</quote> Youre ignoring people don't go to the store everyday. Probably once a week at most realistically every 2 weeks. That's not enough walking to help anything by any noticeable measure. Like I said I walk 5 miles a day at work minimum and I think over the course of 2 years at this job I lost maybe 30 lbs. Take note that im lucky to get 5 days off a month so I'm practically doing this every day. And I have a small appetite. I either only eat once a day or have several small meals a day. On work days usually 3 small meals. I'll eat like literally just half a chicken sandwich and save the other half for like 3-4 hours later </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KodyKeir 08/12/21 8:25:46 AM #99:	Does society need to eliminate driving? No, it's a valuable skill that can be done with more then just a motor vehicle. Does society need to eliminate what y'all do with your motor vehicle every day? Hell yes. Having millions of people hop into a multi ton death machine they are expected to pilot an a near daily basis while dangerously sleep deprived, is a recipe for disaster. I love driving, but I do it on a track or in a video game; the current system breeds reckless endangerment. --- Why didn't you DODGE‽‽‽ Quoting me will trigger the profanity filter, Not Joking. I've been Scunthorped! Consider yourself warned. <cite>KodyKeir posted [p:957011913] in Does socie... [t:79605592]...</cite> <quote>Does society need to eliminate driving? No, it's a valuable skill that can be done with more then just a motor vehicle. Does society need to eliminate what y'all do with your motor vehicle every day? Hell yes. Having millions of people hop into a multi ton death machine they are expected to pilot an a near daily basis while dangerously sleep deprived, is a recipe for disaster. I love driving, but I do it on a track or in a video game; the current system breeds reckless endangerment. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 08/12/21 8:35:28 AM #100:	ReggieTheReckless posted... What a strange topic. All of you public transportation people are delusional. Excuse me if I enjoy my car and going where/when I want and getting to stay away from all the smelly weirdos and homeless people jerking off and screaming at strangers on busses. I generally drive from Florida to the Chicago area straight through once a year to visit family. My car gets 45-50mpg highway, and it is cheaper and less hassle than airplane tickets for the fam and a rental car (which I would need because who the fuck travels somewhere to stay in one place. Even visiting friends for me requires an hours drive sometimes) You guys live in some fantasy land where not only are buses clean and safe and lovely to ride on, but that there's a bus that on command will take you exactly where you need to at any given moment. Ugh, it's like none of you have ever worked in retail, a gas station, or fast food. It is a treat and pleasure to get to avoid the disgustingly idiotic and rude general populous by having personal transportation. My skin crawls just thinking about having to lower myself to get on the bus with a bunch of gross "public transportation" people that are like they were from people of Walmart dot Com but 100x worse and deal with the fucking bums and crazies I like how this entire post ignores that public transit would be filled by everyone under a more transit-reliant paradigm, as opposed to those that can't afford cars being over-represented, and basically just amounts to "I don't want to be reminded that people that can't afford cars exist." ReggieTheReckless posted... but that there's a bus that on command will take you exactly where you need to at any given moment. Even with my city's current, hideously inadequate bus system, I can generally get a bus that takes me to within a 10-minute walk of my destination, and it's not unheard of at all for cities with decent transit systems to have a bus show up every 5-10 minutes on every route. Obviously, that's not taking me right to the door, but it's not at all uncommon for the process of finding parking and walking from my parking spot to take 5-10 minutes, so it's not nearly as inconvenient as people like to think. Is public transit ever going to be more personally convenient than driving? No (not until we have on-demand self-driving taxis that take us door to door). Can it be close enough that the minor personal inconvenience is outweighed by the tremendous societal benefit? Absolutely. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:957012102] in Does socie... [t:79605592]...</cite> <quote>ReggieTheReckless posted... </cite> <quote>What a strange topic. All of you public transportation people are delusional. Excuse me if I enjoy my car and going where/when I want and getting to stay away from all the smelly weirdos and homeless people jerking off and screaming at strangers on busses. I generally drive from Florida to the Chicago area straight through once a year to visit family. My car gets 45-50mpg highway, and it is cheaper and less hassle than airplane tickets for the fam and a rental car (which I would need because who the fuck travels somewhere to stay in one place. Even visiting friends for me requires an hours drive sometimes) You guys live in some fantasy land where not only are buses clean and safe and lovely to ride on, but that there's a bus that on command will take you exactly where you need to at any given moment. Ugh, it's like none of you have ever worked in retail, a gas station, or fast food. It is a treat and pleasure to get to avoid the disgustingly idiotic and rude general populous by having personal transportation. My skin crawls just thinking about having to lower myself to get on the bus with a bunch of gross "public transportation" people that are like they were from people of Walmart dot Com but 100x worse and deal with the fucking bums and crazies</quote> I like how this entire post ignores that public transit would be filled by everyone under a more transit-reliant paradigm, as opposed to those that can't afford cars being over-represented, and basically just amounts to "I don't want to be reminded that people that can't afford cars exist." ReggieTheReckless posted... </cite> <quote>but that there's a bus that on command will take you exactly where you need to at any given moment.</quote> Even with my city's current, hideously inadequate bus system, I can generally get a bus that takes me to within a 10-minute walk of my destination, and it's not unheard of at all for cities with decent transit systems to have a bus show up every 5-10 minutes on every route. Obviously, that's not taking me right to the door, but it's not at all uncommon for the process of finding parking and walking from my parking spot to take 5-10 minutes, so it's not nearly as inconvenient as people like to think. Is public transit ever going to be more personally convenient than driving? No (not until we have on-demand self-driving taxis that take us door to door). Can it be close enough that the minor personal inconvenience is outweighed by the tremendous societal benefit? Absolutely. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 08/12/21 8:45:44 AM #101:	ReggieTheReckless posted... homeless people jerking off I remember the first time this happened at my station after I started working. The driver was also new, and pretty mad adjl posted... cities with decent transit systems to have a bus show up every 5-10 minutes on every route. I think this problem. Not all cities have a decent one. My city is ok. But we dont have a ton of buses. So, we have 8 routes around the city. And its an hour per route. So, if you miss the bus, you have an hour before the next one adjl posted... Can it be close enough that the minor personal inconvenience is outweighed by the tremendous societal benefit? Absolutely. Probably. But Id rather not be inconvenienced if I dont have to, tbqh --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:957012303] in Does socie... [t:79605592]...</cite> <quote>ReggieTheReckless posted...</cite> <quote>homeless people jerking off</quote> I remember the first time this happened at my station after I started working. The driver was also new, and pretty mad adjl posted...</cite> <quote>cities with decent transit systems to have a bus show up every 5-10 minutes on every route.</quote> I think this problem. Not all cities have a decent one. My city is ok. But we dont have a ton of buses. So, we have 8 routes around the city. And its an hour per route. So, if you miss the bus, you have an hour before the next one adjl posted...</cite> <quote>Can it be close enough that the minor personal inconvenience is outweighed by the tremendous societal benefit? Absolutely.</quote> Probably. But Id rather not be inconvenienced if I dont have to, tbqh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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