Poll of the Day > Apple plans to introduce software that scans users phones for Child Porn/Abuse

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https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/apples-plan-to-scan-phones-for-child-abuse-worries-privacy-advocates/

Is this a Major Privacy Concern or Protecting the Rights of Kids...?(Poll Question)

Idk what about the ol' Patriot Act route where we say if you have nothing to hide you'll be fine?

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Anyone who buys Apple products is a dimwit.
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Its about damn time. Hopefully other companies do the same.

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Anyone who knows what they're doing can easily find a workaround for programs like this. That said I don't think it's a big deal.

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InfernalFive posted...

Anyone who knows what they're doing can easily find a workaround for programs like this.

I bet that there are plenty of pedos that are also fucking dumb

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As of we don't have all your dataz anyway...

Mead posted...

I bet that there are plenty of pedos that are also fucking dumb

Agreed. If this software helps catch those weirdos then I'm all for it.

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Kamala-Harris posted...

As of we don't have all your dataz anyway...

Yeah, this makes it considerably less of a specific concern. They're not ramping up the data collection, they're just implementing a filter on the data they're already collecting. The fact that they can do this without ramping up data collection is a privacy concern, but not this specific filter.

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adjl posted...

They're not ramping up the data collection, they're just implementing a filter on the data they're already collecting.

isnt that good?

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Kamala-Harris posted...

As of we don't have all your dataz anyway...

adjl posted...

The fact that they can do this without ramping up data collection is a privacy concern, but not this specific filter.

Yeah at this point, if you care about privacy having a smart phone probably isn't for you.

lol Apple.
I am against both pedophilia and violating people's privacy.

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Judgmenl posted...

lol Apple.
I am against both pedophilia and violating people's privacy.

what privacy does this violate?

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Mead posted...

what privacy does this violate?

The part where they look at everything in your phone regardless of how guilty you are.

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It's not like your carrier, and your government already aren't doing this, but still.
This is just to collect and sell more information about you.

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Judgmenl posted...

It's not like your carrier, and your government already aren't doing this, but still.
This is just to collect and sell more information about you.

Clearly they don't well enough to stop cp

Anyways I wonder how they would go about that, would it look at where you got any questionable pics from or would it just scan the pics potentially allowing cp of teens that look 18 through while popping people for having pics of young looking 18/19 year olds. Possibly some other method, I'm not the most knowledgeable when it comes to computer algorithms

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if you are against this, then you are pro-pedophilia.

sick fuck.

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Muscles posted...

Clearly they don't well enough to stop cp

They don't want to stop it.

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Literally someone is tracking everything you do on your phone anyway, this really doesn't matter to me.

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Remember when they stopped including chargers to save the environment?

Me too.

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adjl posted...

The part where they look at everything in your phone regardless of how guilty you are.

but they are only looking at what the filter catches

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Mead posted...

but they are only looking at what the filter catches

Gonna hard x that.
But like I said, everyone already have your data anyways so it doesn't matter that much.

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Krow_Incarnate posted...

Remember when they stopped including chargers to save the environment?

Me too.

everyone has chargers. Chargers are cheap and easy to get. If you dont have one you can politely ask a few strangers and someone will likely just give you one

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jus being naked doesn't constitute pornography
pornography is sexual

the fact that the phone is flagging it for other people to look at it on the internet
is what makes it child pornography


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Mead posted...

but they are only looking at what the filter catches

They're looking at whatever their filters catch. This is just one of many filters, one which they're advertising because it makes people feel better about the data that's being collected. Others are less PR-friendly, so they don't get advertised.

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adjl posted...

They're looking at whatever their filters catch. This is just one of many filters, one which they're advertising because it makes people feel better about the data that's being collected. Others are less PR-friendly, so they don't get advertised.

those assholes

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yeah this is a gross business practice

you could jus flag the user as underaged and ban any photo that looks like a naked body
but this seems like it takes a lot of second hand guessin for it to work

this is basically transmitting child pornography after it's been made
which is why the law was written in the first place

you guys are saying people cant take pictures of themselves in a mirror in the phone without the cops being called

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RoboXgp89 posted...

dude that is messed up, for real

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Pedophilia in any situation is unnaceptable. Why are minors taking pictures of themselves? Their parents need to properly parent.

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Judgmenl posted...

Why are minors taking pictures of themselves?

Generally because they're in sexual relationships and want to share those pictures with their partners. Minors being in sexual relationships is nothing particularly new, nor is it inherently a bad thing.

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Mead posted...

dude that is messed up, for real

ith the system performing scans on the device before images are backed up to iCloud. If the program is convinced it's identified abusive imagery, it can share those photos with representatives from Apple, who'll act from there.

people should take responsibility for themselves
you're saying these people can scan your kids phone and notify the police if they take a picture of themselves
it says right there they're the ones uploading it not the user

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never ever go around children.


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well i guess I know who's overweight now...

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adjl posted...

Generally because they're in sexual relationships and want to share those pictures with their partners. Minors being in sexual relationships is nothing particularly new, nor is it inherently a bad thing.

When I was a kid blah blah blah

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So how do they tell the difference between, say, a mother who took a photo of their kid swimming naked because it's a cherished memory (somehow), a child who took a nude selfie (for some dumb reason. they're kids), and actual child porn? Plus what about all the times they'll, say, call the police because someone took a pic of something that vaguely resembled that and their AI mis-identified it?

Even if you're heavily in favor of this I just don't feel AI's are advanced enough to be even remotely viable... And I am MASSIVELY against this!

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Are people really defending companies taking their data now?

But this is especially funny when Apple promoted the "privacy" of their platform.

With that said, hopefully this will help catch pedos and prevent child abuse, but I have my doubts. Do other platforms have anything similar that targets child abuse? Because if not, wouldn't this news just cause pedos to switch to other platforms?

Unbridled9 posted...

I would think all flagged content is sent to the proper authorities. Whom review and establish context through investigation of other gathered data. Sally Whatsherface age 15 might take a topless pic and it gets flagged. Location data from the phone will tell you it was taken within 5 miles of her home, Carrier provided data will tell the phone is either under her name or her parents, facial recognition will confirm identity. Then they can track whoever she sends it to, if it's Billy Boyfriend age 16...or if it's Loli Lover age 46, who also just happens to have 30GB illegal content on his phone.

AI isn't sorting this into two separate boxes, it's ranking by severity, so resources can investigate phones/cases most likely to be associated with large distribution. Considering it's a government run operation, I'm sure it's not really optimized at all, and it's being used for other purposes as well.

dude they're going to have to like besides invasion of privacy change the rules
i know lots of people that've had sex since they were like 12, 13, 14
this jus reeks of corruption

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please castrate yourself

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Kinda sounds like an easy way get people onboard with additional massive data intrusions and revealing more about how they abuse customers because, after all, pedophiles are just about the one thing everybody can be against (well... almost everybody, since British police turned a blind eye to under-aged sex trafficking because they didn't want to look racist... and, come to think of it, that's happened a few times where political correctness has gotten in the way of victims rights leading minors to be abused)

adjl posted...

Generally because they're in sexual relationships and want to share those pictures with their partners. Minors being in sexual relationships is nothing particularly new, nor is it inherently a bad thing.

Yeah, it's like asking why adults do it. People do irresponsible things with their phones when their hormones are acting up.

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Big Company: "I want to see all of your data"
Customer: "No!"
Big Company: "But you aren't a pedophile right?"
Customer: "Heck no! I hate them"
Big Company: "Good! So I'll just look at all your stuff to make sure"
Customer: "Thanks! I'm glad to help!"

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IronBornCorps posted...

I would think all flagged content is sent to the proper authorities. Whom review and establish context through investigation of other gathered data. Sally Whatsherface age 15 might take a topless pic and it gets flagged. Location data from the phone will tell you it was taken within 5 miles of her home, Carrier provided data will tell the phone is either under her name or her parents, facial recognition will confirm identity. Then they can track whoever she sends it to, if it's Billy Boyfriend age 16...or if it's Loli Lover age 46, who also just happens to have 30GB illegal content on his phone.

AI isn't sorting this into two separate boxes, it's ranking by severity, so resources can investigate phones/cases most likely to be associated with large distribution. Considering it's a government run operation, I'm sure it's not really optimized at all, and it's being used for other purposes as well.

AI isn't involved.
they don't detect new images.

your phone gets a list of "fingerprints" of confirmed bad images, and it makes a list of "fingerprints" of your images.
it then compares these lists to see if there are any matches.

your own pictures will never get flagged unless someone already got arrested with those pictures in their possession.

in your example "Sally" wouldn't get flagged unless "loli lover" got himself arrested and they found her photos on his phone or pc, and added those photos to the list.

although I'm wondering, maybe this could become a new method for "swatting".
hackers secretly sending people images that were doctored to match the fingerprint of images from the list.

RoboXgp89 posted...

i know lots of people that've had sex since they were like 12, 13, 14

just because you know a lot of people who had that experience doesnt mean it isnt something that is ok or doesnt do real harm to many young people

we have to find a balance between giving people some level of privacy, but also protecting vulnerable people like children who can easily be manipulated or abused

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thedicemaster posted...

AI isn't involved.
they don't detect new images.

your phone gets a list of "fingerprints" of confirmed bad images, and it makes a list of "fingerprints" of your images.
it then compares these lists to see if there are any matches.

your own pictures will never get flagged unless someone already got arrested with those pictures in their possession.

in your example "Sally" wouldn't get flagged unless "loli lover" got himself arrested and they found her photos on his phone or pc, and added those photos to the list.

although I'm wondering, maybe this could become a new method for "swatting".
hackers secretly sending people images that were doctored to match the fingerprint of images from the list.

That sounds even worse since it sounds like it won't catch any 'new' stuff and only stuff they already know about. I already don't trust identification software because people will post images of rocks that, somehow, trip just the right flags to get flagged as potential porn. That's not to mention it's only a matter of time before someone discovers it doesn't work properly on some racial group for whatever reason. It's just a bad deal through and through and through.

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Unbridled9 posted...

That sounds even worse since it sounds like it won't catch any 'new' stuff and only stuff they already know about.

it is still illegal and wrong

why would it need to be new for it to be a crime

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thedicemaster posted...

although I'm wondering, maybe this could become a new method for "swatting".
hackers secretly sending people images that were doctored to match the fingerprint of images from the list.

Thankfully this is non-trivial using modern fingerprinting systems. You'd need the fingerprint of an image in the database, and then need to spend your computer cycles trying to find an innocuous file with the same fingerprint.

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thedicemaster posted...

although I'm wondering, maybe this could become a new method for "swatting".
hackers secretly sending people images that were doctored to match the fingerprint of images from the list.

Considering hackers already try to frame people with CP to fuck with them, this seems inevitable.

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RoboXgp89 posted...

dude they're going to have to like besides invasion of privacy change the rules
i know lots of people that've had sex since they were like 12, 13, 14
this jus reeks of corruption

Living up to the CP lover tag I gave you.

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EvilMegas posted...

Living up to the CP lover tag I gave you.

who's f*****?

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