Poll of the Day > Why didn't they make a vaccine card that fits into your wallet easily?

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CoorsLight posted...

Edit: Or do it federally cause republican states would probably push back but you get the idea

A fair amount of the people pushing back against vaccination right now generally fall into the sphere of the Left. Unions complaining about mandatory vaccination, ethnic communities opposed to vaccination at all.

It's not just a political issue. And the people who insist on politicizing it are a large part of the problem causing the very thing they're complaining about.
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

the people who insist on politicizing it are a large part of the problem causing the very thing they're complaining about.

If vaccine refusal weren't a problem, people wouldn't be complaining about vaccine refusal. It's pretty obvious that vaccine refusal precedes complaints about vaccine refusal. To argue the opposite is pretty disingenuous.

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ParanoidObsessive posted...

A fair amount of the people pushing back against vaccination right now generally fall into the sphere of the Left.

that claim isnt represented geographically

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Democrats as a political entity haven't been pushing against vaccines in the way that republicans are, which was the point of my comment. Individual people aren't really relevant there

And yes I know there are pro vax republican politicians, but even they try to triangulate with "well it's a personal choice" language which ultimately just fuels anti vaxxers

Clearly, the government was hoping they could sucker 90 percent of the population into getting vaccinated. And it isn't happening.

cue applause and cheering from the audience


-CPAC 2021

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Kyuubi4269 posted...

They're very small in the UK, but we're not idiots who lose anything smaller than a post card.

Also two weeks after our full vaccine we can get a digital COVID-19 pass. I believe we just log into the NHS app. I haven't got mine yet but do have a card.

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In Canada, they don't even give a physical card. There's just an online account we can access with our provincial health card that contains the information, which is updated before we're done with the 15-minute waiting period. It's not particularly robust as proof of vaccination (it'd be very, very easy to edit a screenshot or printout to display a different name), but it is straightforward and convenient, as well as being very fast.

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adjl posted...

In Canada, they don't even give a physical card.

What I got was a print out on 8 1/2" x 11" that was photocopied and secured at home with a copy for my wallet. They were supposed to send an electronic version through email but it still has not arrived (I know my email was written down correctly because I was contacted for a survey by a third party)

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Actually developing the system for such a thing and coordinating with every single vaccination point to distribute it, and establishing means to check for valid cards versus fakes, is much, much harder.

Yeah, you would need some sort of universal system to provide health care, and that's just crazy talk.

Zeus posted...

Propaganda is fun, isn't it?

What are you on about? I criticized 4 different administrations across both parties.

I'm going to say you are just upset that you don't have universal health care.


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Kyuubi4269 posted...

State's rights

States don't have rights. They have powers

OhhhJa posted...

States don't have rights.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

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KodyKeir posted...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

"also known as states' rights, by stating that the federal government has only those powers delegated to it by the Constitution"

They use states rights as a figure of speech. But they are actually powers, not rights

KodyKeir posted...

What I got was a print out on 8 1/2" x 11" that was photocopied and secured at home with a copy for my wallet. They were supposed to send an electronic version through email but it still has not arrived (I know my email was written down correctly because I was contacted for a survey by a third party)

Huh. I just got the email confirmation (the vaccine was booked via email, plus they verified it when registered for each dose), with a link to CanImmunize for the official record. That page seems to be NS-branded, though, so I guess it varies by province.

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adjl posted...

That page seems to be NS-branded, though

Yeah the Ford government here in Ontario was letting Donald Trump take the lead on how to do things and was largely left scrambling to figure things out at the last minute. Our vaccination success has more to do with having a determined populace, then the competence of the government.

The funny part, your system was developed by a firm in Ontario.

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Big Pharma is in league with Big Wallet.

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KodyKeir posted...

Yeah the Ford government here in Ontario was letting Donald Trump take the lead on how to do things and was largely left scrambling to figure things out at the last minute. Our vaccination success has more to do with having a determined populace, then the competence of the government.

I'm really quite glad I got out of Ontario when I did (almost exactly a year ago). London was reasonably fortunate through the first wave, but things went ridiculously downhill once students started coming back from Toronto and ignoring restrictions.

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I like how hippa laws are being ignored
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

I like how hippa laws are being ignored

HIPAA just says that most entities can't access your health information without your permission. It does not in any way prohibit them from asking you to provide it, nor from denying you service if you refuse.

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adjl posted...

HIPAA just says that most entities can't access your health information without your permission. It does not in any way prohibit them from asking you to provide it, nor from denying you service if you refuse.

it also prohibits people from asking about disabilities, like for a handicap parking spot
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

it also prohibits people from asking about disabilities, like for a handicap parking spot

But, AFAIK, you can still get a ticket for parking in one without a handicap tag/sticker/placard/etc
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LinkPizza posted...

But, AFAIK, you can still get a ticket for parking in one without a handicap tag/sticker/placard/etc

law enforcement is different.

are cops going to stand outside these places asking to see the cards?
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

law enforcement is different.

are cops going to stand outside these places asking to see the cards?

They could, couldnt they. Some place even have security. And most places can deny serving you, anyway Which means they even if you go in, you cant get what you came there for. And then, they can call the cops since you are trespassing, or loitering or whatever
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

it also prohibits people from asking about disabilities, like for a handicap parking spot

Is being unvaccinated a disability?

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adjl posted...

Is being unvaccinated a disability?

it's the asking that is prohibited
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

it's the asking that is prohibited

Is it illegal for nursing homes to ask for vaccination records for their staff?

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Krazy_Kirby posted...

it's the asking that is prohibited

I dont think it is, though. AFAIK, it doesnt prohibit people for asking about someones health. Especially to that person. They person could refuse to give them the information, though And I think HIPAA only applies to people in the medical field Like them sharing the information or whatever I think people are misinterpreting it. Most people didnt care, or even know, about HIPAA months ago. And are now using it to avoid getting vaccinated or showing proof of it
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LinkPizza posted...

I dont think it is, though. AFAIK, it doesnt prohibit people for asking about someones health. Especially to that person. They person could refuse to give them the information, though And I think HIPAA only applies to people in the medical field Like them sharing the information or whatever I think people are misinterpreting it. Most people didnt care, or even know, about HIPAA months ago. And are now using it to avoid getting vaccinated or showing proof of it

Mostly, it means somebody can't call up your doctor and ask for your medical information, unless they're one of the few entities that are exempt or you give them permission to do so. It gives you the right to refuse to share vaccination status, if you wish, but it doesn't protect you from being turned away from places that require vaccination.

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Clench281 posted...

Damn this is perfect signature material

Lmao. Done.

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BEERandWEED posted...

https://i.imgur.com/h8AXhXo.jpg

Unfortunately 1/3 of the population thinks masks are the scarlet letter, and that vaccines will turn you into cronenbergs, and since the economy is more important than people's lives, (for some stupid reason) here we are.

Besides, you're free to not get one, and businesses are free to not let you in at their discretion.

If you can't force a baker to make a giant penis shaped wedding cake (aren't all wedding cakes penis shaped? idk) for a couple of gay men, then you can't force WahMart to let in maskless disease vectors.

I do think a vaccine passport to go to the grocery is tyranny, but I am wondering at what point are we collectively tired of offering the carrot to individuals who would rather kill themselves and everyone around them, then do the bare minimum required of them.

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Guy's name is beer and weed and thinks that places requiring some sort of card to be able to shop is a new thing

KodyKeir posted...

maskless disease vectors.

This isn't about masks.

BEERandWEED posted...

This isn't about masks.

Kinda is though as some areas were considering vaccine passports in lieu of mask mandates. There should be a universal mask mandate regardless of what they decide with vaccine passports.

KodyKeir posted...

maskless disease vectors.

besides I was making light of the venn diagram between those who are refusing their shot, and those who are against masks, is pretty close to being a perfect circle.

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CoorsLight posted...

Guy's name is beer and weed and thinks that places requiring some sort of card to be able to shop is a new thing

still think he is sunny
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CoorsLight posted...

Guy's name is beer and weed and thinks that places requiring some sort of card to be able to shop is a new thing

I can shop without any card. I only need ID to purchase certain items.

Krazy_Kirby posted...

still think he is sunny

And I still don't know why you think that. But based on your hot sauce comment, being terribly wrong is a common occurrence for you.

Krazy_Kirby posted...

still think he is sunny

Same.

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FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...

Same.

Are you Kirby? Also, based on what I've seen, you aren't friendly at all.

Lol. Weeds makin ya paranoid.

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BEERandWEED posted...

Also, based on what I've seen, you aren't friendly at all.

Hes friendly to me
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LinkPizza posted...

Hes friendly to me

Thanks. I try to be. Its mainly narcissistic posters like Sunny and Zeus. Thats why its gotta be Sunny.

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I make a comment on how he doesn't seem friendly at all, he insults me. That really makes my case. Kudos.