Current Events > Is Simone Biles a hero/martyr?

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I mean you can say no, but lets be honest here

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what did she do even?

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She is a hero for putting up with america's racist ass shit sippers

CADE FOSTER posted...

She is a hero for putting up with america's racist ass shit sippers

Yup

Hexenherz posted...

what did she do even?

She was having mental health issues, and during her performance during a midair turn she lost track of where she was, which is apparently extremely dangerous, so she decided it wasn't safe for her to keep performing.

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She's an amazing gymnast when she's on her game. I think she made the right choice to back out, but I wouldn't necessarily call her a hero over it.

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Wasnt she not doing that good and backed out to save face?

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Hexenherz posted...

what did she do even?

She's been messing up da past few months and still decided to compete in da olympics only to quit at da last moment and blame it on mental health
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V-E-G-Y- posted...

She's been messing up da past few months and still decided to compete in da olympics only to quit at da last moment and blame it on mental health

Yup. Never should have even got her ass on the plane.

EffectAndCause posted...

Wasnt she not doing that good and backed out to save face?

She didn't back out to save face, she backed out because doing what she was doing when you aren't fully on top of your game is extremely dangerous and she wasn't willing to risk serious injury.

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

I think she made the right choice to back out, but I wouldn't necessarily call her a hero over it.

She kept trying to work through the mental illness until it became clear doing so was not an option. That, and facing the shit that she faced for backing out, is plenty to call her a hero.

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No. Were Steve Blass or Chuck Knoblauch heroes when they got the yips?

She at least did the right thing stepping down if she knew she would be unable to perform.

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No, she's an athlete.

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newhorrorguy posted...

She didn't back out to save face, she backed out because doing what she was doing when you aren't fully on top of your game is extremely dangerous and she wasn't willing to risk serious injury.

Hmmmmmmm.

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Heroes don't quit. Martyrs have to die.

I'd call her a hero if she powered through and overcame.

DDirtyDastard posted...

Heroes don't quit.

Wrong.

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newhorrorguy posted...

Wrong.

Name one hero who quit.

DDirtyDastard posted...

Name one hero who quit.

Simone Biles.

Being a hero means doing what you can and knowing your limits. Her going through with an incredibly dangerous routine that wouldn't help anyone is not heroic, it's just stupid.

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I don't know if Martyr is the right word, hero sure.

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newhorrorguy posted...

Simone Biles.

Being a hero means doing what you can and knowing your limits. Her going through with an incredibly dangerous routine that wouldn't help anyone is not heroic, it's just stupid.

Wrong. Heroes push the limits and transcend them against all odds.

DDirtyDastard posted...

Wrong. Heroes push the limits and transcend them against all odds.

Enjoy being wrong.

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hero
noun

1. a person who is admired or idealized for courage, outstanding achievements, or noble qualities.

So yeah

Simone Biles is a hero

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A lot of armchair athletes giving her shit for being a world class athlete who could really hurt herself she gets shit wrong.

This is a new thing for her to deal with. She went because she thought that her mental health would be fine. She made the courageous decision to step aside despite all the fucking mouth breathers who are going to shit on her for it.

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newhorrorguy posted...

Enjoy being wrong.

I'm not wrong. You haven't said one thing to prove your point. You're calling someone a hero that has done nothing heroic.

A firefighter who rescues a baby from a burning building is putting himself at risk. Rescuing a cat out of a tree is putting yourself at risk. Saving your wounded comrade in a war is putting yourself at risk.

She's literally doing the opposite. She's pulling herself out of harm's way. If anything, that's cowardice. If she's looking out for her own health and best interests, that's one thing. But to call that heroic is absolutely by definition false. It's not selfless, it's selfish. Kudos to her for looking out for herself, but that's all the praise she deserves.

DDirtyDastard posted...

A firefighter who rescues a baby from a burning building is putting himself at risk. Rescuing a cat out of a tree is putting yourself at risk. Saving your wounded comrade in a war is putting yourself at risk.

Gee, I wonder what makes these different from performing a gymnastic routine....

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What about snowboarders or skateboarders that preform at a high level? A lot can go wrong there tbh >_>

and football is all about getting TRUCKED.. nevermind Rugby

Does this change anything?

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DDirtyDastard posted...

I'm not wrong. You haven't said one thing to prove your point. You're calling someone a hero that has done nothing heroic.

A firefighter who rescues a baby from a burning building is putting himself at risk. Rescuing a cat out of a tree is putting yourself at risk. Saving your wounded comrade in a war is putting yourself at risk.

She's literally doing the opposite. She's pulling herself out of harm's way. If anything, that's cowardice. If she's looking out for her own health and best interests, that's one thing. But to call that heroic is absolutely by definition false. It's not selfless, it's selfish. Kudos to her for looking out for herself, but that's all the praise she deserves.

Do you know what the definition of the word "hero" is?

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Not a hero.

I don't mind the criticism. But the frikkin animosity and character assassination by some political figures and influencers has been disgusting to say the least. Like I don't mind "she let her team down" or "she didn't do anything wrong, but she shouldn't be celebrated" (even if I might disagree with some of the views). But the insults and anger has been so vile.
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RedJackson posted...

What about snowboarders or skateboarders that preform at a high level? A lot can go wrong there tbh >_>

Yes, if any of those had mental health issues that effected their performance and made it more dangerous, they would be justified in dropping out.

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RedJackson posted...

What about snowboarders or skateboarders that preform at a high level? A lot can go wrong there tbh >_>

and football is all about getting TRUCKED.. nevermind Rugby

Does this change anything?

If ANY athlete is having a mental health condition that causes their body to not perform correctly, it is never a wrong decision to step aside.

If Tom Brady gets the Yips and his wrists are no longer working as they should, should be insist on staying in the game if his performance suffers?

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if any athlete doesn't want to compete, we never hear about it. are they all heroes too? or are they just people who couldn't compete so they're not even in the discussion?

the problem here isn't that she didn't compete when she couldn't. no one wants her to force herself to risk her life. the problem here is that we all give a fuck. why do we all give a fuck? she didn't compete, lots of athletes don't, how does it make her any more special?

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Guerrilla Soldier posted...

if any athlete doesn't want to compete, we never hear about it. are they all heroes too? or are they just people who couldn't compete so they're not even in the discussion?

the problem here isn't that she didn't compete when she couldn't. no one wants her to force herself to risk her life. the problem here is that we all give a fuck. why do we all give a fuck? she didn't compete, lots of athletes don't, how does it make her any more special?

Simone Biles fit the definition of a hero before ever setting foot in Tokyo. Having to back out of competition in Tokyo doesn't remove all of the things she has accomplished so far to fit the definition in the first place. Nor does it remove the possibility of her competing in the future.

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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

If Tom Brady gets the Yips and his wrists are no longer working as they should, should he insist on staying in the game if his performance suffers?

In my opinion yes

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Emphasis again:

Simone Biles is the greatest gymnast of our time, if not all time, but her decision to back out is neither bad nor heroic. It's just the right call. She doesn't forfeit her status as the greatest, but she doesn't become any better, either. She did the right thing but she wasn't competing very well, so...it is what it is.

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SF_Okami posted...

In my opinion yes

So then he brings his whole team down. Good job.

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Calling her a hero or a martyr is silly, but less so than the people whining about her are being. She tried to compete, backed out when she realized she was messing up on something that could cripple her if she wasn't operating at 100%. Which is the smart decision.

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The word hero has been ruined. It means nothing nowp

Panthera posted...

Calling her a hero or a martyr is silly, but less so than the people whining about her are being. She tried to compete, backed out when she realized she was messing up on something that could cripple her if she wasn't operating at 100%. Which is the smart decision.

How is calling her a hero silly? She fits the definition.

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I thought a hero was like a surgeon or a fireman

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SSJPurple posted...

I thought a hero was like a surgeon or a fireman

hero
noun

1. a person who is admired or idealized for courage, outstanding achievements, or noble qualities.

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V-E-G-Y- posted...

She's been messing up da past few months and still decided to compete in da olympics only to quit at da last moment and blame it on mental health

Yep. She's not a hero she's a selfish asshole who stole opportunity from some other aspiring gymnast.
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CableZL posted...

hero
noun

1. a person who is admired or idealized for courage, outstanding achievements, or noble qualities.

Yes, but those qualities are relative. Everyone has some good qualities about them, does that mean everyone is a hero? You can argue yes, but then the word loses all luster. I'd hardly call anything she did as being particulary courageous or representing particulalry noble qualities. She fucked up and backed out because she knows she cant perform

Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

So then he brings his whole team down. Good job.

It would be Arians job to manage the game and yank Brady. If I were Brady, Im not walking off the field myself, I play as best as possible until my coach tells me to come out, thats just my opinion.

Compares Biles situation now to this hypothetical one.

If she were clearly injured physically or mentally, and not performing well, yet insisted on continuing but her coach would not allow her to, then I would respect her more in that situation than what actually occurred.

That said, good for her for watching out for her health, but that is simply not something I would do, or classify as a hero.

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Winrawr posted...

Yes, but those qualities are relative. Everyone has some good qualities about them, does that mean everyone is a hero? You can argue yes, but then the word loses all luster. I'd hardly call anything she did as being particulary courageous or representing particulalry noble qualities. She fucked up and backed out because she knows she cant perform

So you just... ignored the whole "outstanding achievements" part of the definition. Why?

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I wouldn't say she's a hero, but she is certainly admirable. It's good to take care of yourself and we need more showing it is alright to do and the right thing to do. Those condemning her for it and "calling her out" are just showing they are a vile cockroach.

She is a fantastic person and someone others should strive to be like. I'm not going to take issue if anyone wants to call her a hero though, I just feel a hero needs to do more than take care of themselves personally.

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CableZL posted...

How is calling her a hero silly? She fits the definition.

Nah. Sports aren't important enough for an athlete to be a hero on the merit of their athletic careers alone no matter how impressive they are.
edit: Further thought has me saying I wouldn't object to it on the basis of her continuing her career after having to deal with the public scrutiny of being one of the faces for victims of sexual abuse covered up by her own organization, I was originally only thinking in terms of her athletic career in a vacuum

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Panthera posted...

Nah. Sports aren't important enough for an athlete to be a hero on the merit of their athletic careers alone no matter how impressive they are.

The definition of the word hero doesn't have that stipulation. Maybe just admit you're voluntarily adding extra stipulations in order to gatekeep.

Let's also not pretend that people with outstanding achievements in sports don't inspire people all over the world.

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CableZL posted...

So you just... ignored the whole "outstanding achievements" part of the definition. Why?

It just isn't relative to convo. Didn't mean anything by it.

Winrawr posted...

It just isn't relative to convo. Didn't mean anything by it.

It is relevant. The question in the topic title is: Is Simone Biles a hero/martyr?

Hero?

• Yes. She fits the definition.

Martyr?

• No. She does not fit the definition.

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