Current Events > LOL our entire pharmacy is quitting

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

You don't necessarily need wealth to start a business, but you need wealth to sustain you and your business for the period of time that it is unprofitable, a luxury that you don't have if you are living paycheck to paycheck.

Yes that is what investors and loans are for. The fact that only people who feel extremely confident about what they do take the risk of starting a business, and people in turn only invest in something they also feel confident in is part of the reason why capitalism succeeded while collectivism failed.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

And as usual, when you can't counter the point being made, you change goalposts and revert to strawman lmao

...you're the one who made that point. I'm just saying it's a good thing.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

competitors that are able to offer lower prices than you

Ruvan22 posted...

What is the difference? (Genuinely curious)

Capital L liberals are more centrist types. The woke stuff they absolutely hate. They are liberals but like the Bush's, Reagan, Clintons and Tony Blair etc

hockeybub89 posted...

The answer to employee abuse is not "Hurr durr shut up or make a better business on your own"

It's not the only answer. You can seek employment elsewhere for someone who is willing to pay you more and treat you better. Which is literally what you guys are doing. Which means you're crying over nothing, a daily occurrence for you.

ScazarMeltex posted...

Stop treating Broseph as if he's engaging you in good faith. He's absolutely not.

Stop projecting.

Im going to take a stab in the dark and say three letter

you do not have to confirm or deny

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You can say all the shit you want about my anti-Republican doomsaying, but I'm fucking telling you about my life and how this job works. I want to burst into tears half the time because of how badly they've destroyed our workplace. We've never worked harder and they just complain about how we're too incompetent to do basic tasks.

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

Yes that is what investors and loans are for. The fact that only people who feel extremely confident about what they do take the risk of starting a business, and people in turn only invest in something they also feel confident in is part of the reason why capitalism succeeded while collectivism failed.

Yes, people in poverty should take on more debt in the hopes that they'll be one of the 20% of business owners who don't fail in their first year.

Please continue to make it obvious that you can't comprehend anything that exists outside of your sheltered bubble.

Broseph_Stalin posted...

...you're the one who made that point. I'm just saying it's a good thing.

Uh. It's not a good thing when companies become large enough to set barriers to entry too high for the average person to reasonably match up to. That goes against the very idea of a "free" market.

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hockeybub89 posted...

I want to burst into tears half the time because of how badly they've destroyed our workplace.

You want to burst into tears when the ice cream machine at McDonalds isn't working dude. It's your personality.

I'm glad you and your coworkers can leave for better opportunities though, no other economic system gives people that choice.

Like i said, he only cares about a small subset of the population

Broseph_Stalin posted...

It's not the only answer. You can seek employment elsewhere for someone who is willing to pay you more and treat you better. Which is literally what you guys are doing. Which means you're crying over nothing, a daily occurrence for you.

So again, like I said, you can trade in your master for a slightly nicer master.

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Uh. It's not a good thing when companies become large enough to set barriers to entry too high for the average person to reasonably match up to. That goes against the very idea of a "free" market.

Large companies don't set barriers, they come up with ways to create a consumer surplus which results in cheaper goods and higher pay for workers. Which you just admitted. Amazon wasn't bigger than Walmart in the 90s. Google wasn't bigger than Yahoo. Facebook wasn't bigger than Myspace. Netflix wasn't bigger than Blockbuster. The only barrier is actually having to be better.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Yes, people in poverty should take on more debt in the hopes that they'll be one of the 20% of business owners who don't fail in their first year.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

So again, like I said, you can trade in your master for a slightly nicer master.

"I don't want to take the risk of starting a business or a co-op but business owners competing for my labor isn't good enough either". Go live in the woods dude, no one cares.

Shablagoo posted...

Isnt the BBB just a scam business rating operation that has businesses pay them to give them a high rating.

Capitalism is when all the workers at the pharmacy quit because of horrible conditions caused by the profit motive and no one can get their medicine. Mission accomplished, checkmate leftists.

In communism you don't get that option! The government already made that decision for you :)

Did they really call you guys lazy and worthless?

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Capitalism is having the ability to switch between masters.

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"Make the next Amazon. It's tough, but you just need to stick with it. Better than complaining about how Amazon treats employees".

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This is a national health issue, I think. There need to be staffing standards/ support standards for pharmacy because errors due to overwork impact the US's health.

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

Large companies don't set barriers

LOL

And yes, markets change. But if you'll actually pay attention, you'll notice that most industries are utterly dominated by a few large players.

To put it bluntly, anyone (in theory) can become a business owner, but everyone can't. So why stan for an economic system that requires a significant portion of the population to surrender themselves to the mercy of the "free" market?

Broseph_Stalin posted...

I don't want to take the risk of starting a business or a co-op

No, you're not going to take that financial risk when just one unexpected expense has the potential to destroy your livelihood. You're going to stay in your 9-to-5 job that at least offers a steady and consistent paycheck.

Of course, this wouldn't be a problem if basic healthcare, food and shelter were a guarantee for every American citizen, but capitalism has no interest in providing that.

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What pharmacy chain? Years ago I worked at a CVS pharmacy and it was pretty shitty too. Went to Costco and it was way better. Im out of the retail pharmacy game now though.

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AvlButtslam posted...

What pharmacy chain? Years ago I worked at a CVS pharmacy and it was pretty shitty too. Went to Costco and it was way better. Im out of the retail pharmacy game now though.

Yeah, CVS and 2 of my co-workers are going to Costco. I have applications there and at hospitals so far

CobraGT posted...

This is a national health issue, I think. There need to be staffing standards/ support standards for pharmacy because errors due to overwork impact the US's health.

For real. The patients noticed the changes almost immediately and you see mistakes that just didn't happen previously. Pharmacists don't even get overlap anymore.

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My brother worked at Walgreens for a year after getting his PharmD and really hated retail. He was lucky enough to get a county government job as a jail pharmacist, and for the past 4-5 years has been so much happier about his career.

I wish you better days ahead, TC, and hope you can land something much better for yourself and your family.

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Is our society shifting away from the notion of "be grateful you have a job"?

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CobraGT posted...

This is a national health issue, I think. There need to be staffing standards/ support standards for pharmacy because errors due to overwork impact the US's health.

Yeah they don't care. It's a for profit system. The goal is to make money for shareholders, the filling of prescriptions is only the mechanism for the generation of that profit.

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Good. Collectively the human race needs to come to an agreement that if a job is shit you walk out. Don't give two weeks don't tell anyone. You just fucking leave and this should happen everywhere at every level of every job

TC you have a degree in pharmacology, you'll be able to find a near six figure job anywhere.

Sure you're a little inconvenienced now, but chin up.

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Gotta love how people are no longer taking shit from their shitty employers

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Axiom posted...

Good. Collectively the human race needs to come to an agreement that if a job is shit you walk out. Don't give two weeks don't tell anyone. You just fucking leave and this should happen everywhere at every level of every job

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PC-Builder_Pony posted...

TC you have a degree in pharmacology, you'll be able to find a near six figure job anywhere.

Sure you're a little inconvenienced now, but chin up.

lol no I don't

But maybe I'll be a late bloomer and get a degree some day

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

You want to burst into tears when the ice cream machine at McDonalds isn't working dude. It's your personality.

I'm glad you and your coworkers can leave for better opportunities though, no other economic system gives people that choice.

i hope you don't wonder why no one likes you

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Which store? I work for cvs in the long term care pharmacy setting, we can't hire anyone and are working on a skeleton crew, corporate hasn't raised wages in years, and seems to not be, despite all our competitors paying 2-4 dollars more an hour on average for a new employee.

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steveoSEK posted...

Which store? I work for cvs in the long term care pharmacy setting, we can't hire anyone and are working on a skeleton crew, corporate hasn't raised wages in years, and seems to not be, despite all our competitors paying 2-4 dollars more an hour on average for a new employee.

CVS retail. Just got a pretty tiny raise and yup, skeleton crew here too

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This topic is convincing me to finally quit CVS. I know it's always been bad and that the pandemic+vaccine rollout has made working there the bottom rung of the hell that is customer service. A tech almost broke down over the phone because I almost broke down over my depression med taking a week to refill. It's not right and I want to support some other pharmacy instead.

Are there any recommendations for major chains or should I look into local businesses?

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capitalism is sociopathic by nature, no surprise here

why not just go start a hippie commune and live off the land?

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Middle hope posted...

why not just go start a hippie commune and live off the land?

need to participate in capitalism before having a shot at buying expensive land

Rapid99 posted...

Are there any recommendations for major chains or should I look into local businesses?

Honestly if you can find a local, independent pharmacy with staff that you like I would 100% recommend that over any chain. Theyd most likely appreciate it too. Grocery store pharmacies tend to not be as bad as say your cvs or Walgreens with the caveat that Target pharmacies are also owned by cvs

like someone mentioned earlier Costco treats their staff incredibly well, but thats not an option for everyone

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Retail Pharmacy fucking sucks. I worked it for 5 years and I don't ever plan on going back unless I absolutely have to. I'm so glad I moved on to the Hospital

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Youre living my dream TC. Im a pharmacist with Walgreens and I dream of walking out every single day. It was bad before Covid but since then has only gotten worse with testing/vaccines on top of the usual workload. Constantly short-staffed and pushed to upsell sick people on shitty profit-motivated incentives that have nothing to do with their health (e.g. were expected to enroll a certain number of people in Walgreens prescription discount program every week).

A bunch of pharmacists have also quit already which led to me having to work 8 days straight for a total of 72 hours back to back. Im praying I didnt make a mistake filling any medications because by day 4 of an 11-hour shift I could barely think straight. These companies do not give a singular fuck about their customers or employees well-being. Im trying to find a new job but its hard as Im in a major city where the pharmacist market is saturated. Hoping to get out soon though.

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Payzmaykr posted...

Oh, I remember you (or someone else) talking about the short staffing and how they wouldnt put any technicians on the floor, so the pharmacists have to answer the phone, count the pills, call doctors for refills, deal with customers, and all that by themselves.

Those are abusive workplace practices and you legitimately should be able to have the Better Business Bureau put a stop to it, but corporations literally have more power than the president now.

If the pharmacy shuts down, thats exactly what corporate deserves. Any business that short staffs should be heavily penalized and forced to have at least three people on the floor at all times.

It's about access to medicine.

The federal government needs to step in, put the CEOS to death(unironically think most medical CEOS have commited u n forgivable death worthy crimes against humanity), reverse the policies and give powerful carrots(and sticks) to the industry getting more pharmacists and more support staffing

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Cleo_II posted...

Im not in pharmacy but my whole team quit recently. We had merged with another company last year and of course they floated how great things would be, promised new systems that would lighten our loads, automation, etc. Instead created convoluted and backassward processes that made ours jobs much harder to do while also tripling our workloads.

Im one of the few remaining from the original company within our org, the very last on my team. Supposed to be returning in September but jokes on them I already accepted a new offer and Im not telling them shit until my leave is almost over.

Always clear out all your leave - or get it in cash.

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I did retail pharmacy for three years. That was enough for me. It's high stress, low pay, and you get yelled at all the time.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Gotta love how people are no longer taking shit from their shitty employers

Ya love to see it!

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Rapid99 posted...

This topic is convincing me to finally quit CVS. I know it's always been bad and that the pandemic+vaccine rollout has made working there the bottom rung of the hell that is customer service. A tech almost broke down over the phone because I almost broke down over my depression med taking a week to refill. It's not right and I want to support some other pharmacy instead.

Are there any recommendations for major chains or should I look into local businesses?

I'm a customer but have had good experiences with Kroger (grocery chain) as they never try to upsell or push certain medications refill times. I'm not sure what it's like employee side though..

MrToothHasYou posted...

Its hard to start a business if you arent already wealthy is the part youre leaving out

I want to believe this but it's hard to since my cousin started her own business and is doing well. And I know for a fact she wasn't wealthy when she started.

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dave_is_slick posted...

I want to believe this but it's hard to since my cousin started her own business and is doing well. And I know for a fact she wasn't wealthy when she started.

I'm glad your cousin is doing well! What Broseph was ignoring was that a lot of small businesses struggle and don't make a profit initially and don't have the wealth to sustain themselves. Broseph brought up Amazon- iirc they didn't turn a profit for years.

There's also the sad statistic that around 40 % of businesses fail in the first few years.

Ruvan22 posted...

I'm glad your cousin is doing well! What Broseph was ignoring was that a lot of small businesses struggle and don't make a profit initially and don't have the wealth to sustain themselves. Broseph brought up Amazon- iirc they didn't turn a profit for years.

There's also the sad statistic that around 40 % of businesses fail in the first few years.

He also ignored that Bezos' parents helped fund Amazon with their own wealth

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Not gonna lie, you should try and se eit the news will take your story. Cause I'm pissed for you and all the other people in this topic that work for CVS and are having to deal with this shit. Let peopel knownthat it is unsafe to get your prescription from them.

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AldousIsDead posted...

Capitalism.

Umbreon posted...

I approve of corporations finally seeing concequences for their shitty actions.

If you don't value your workers, why should they value you?

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Good for TC and his coworkers leaving that negative atmosphere behind. However I've worked with many people in the past that talk about quitting twice a week and yet they have still stayed over 5-10 years later. Hopefully that isn't the case here.

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