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AwesomeFawful 07/21/21 9:55:37 PM #101:	The way college enrollment is set up today is a scam. Getting a better education is not a scam. --- "Socialism is when the government does stuff, and it's more socialism the more stuff it does, and when it does a real lot of stuff, that's communism!" <cite>AwesomeFawful posted [p:956334184] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>The way college enrollment is set up today is a scam. Getting a better education is not a scam. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
umax555 07/21/21 9:58:55 PM #102:	shiby with it posted... Only people who didn't go to college, chose a useless degree, drop outs, and people who didn't take college seriously think so. This. I wouldn't have become a doctor without going to college. And also probably the most fun 4 years of my life. It's all about what you make of it. By no means is college required to be successful. But it does open opportunities that you couldn't get otherwise. <cite>umax555 posted [p:956334287] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>shiby with it posted... <quote>Only people who didn't go to college, chose a useless degree, drop outs, and people who didn't take college seriously think so.</quote> This. I wouldn't have become a doctor without going to college. And also probably the most fun 4 years of my life. It's all about what you make of it. By no means is college required to be successful. But it does open opportunities that you couldn't get otherwise. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
limp-bizkit-89 07/21/21 10:05:29 PM #103:	AwesomeFawful posted... The way college enrollment is set up today is a scam. Getting a better education is not a scam. --- Keep Rollin Rollin Rollin (yeah!) <cite>limp-bizkit-89 posted [p:956334498] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>AwesomeFawful posted... </cite> <quote>The way college enrollment is set up today is a scam. Getting a better education is not a scam.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Derwood 07/21/21 10:14:22 PM #104:	limp-bizkit-89 posted... what skills? What is needed to perform at a real job, not academia. Such as? <cite>Derwood posted [p:956334729] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>limp-bizkit-89 posted... </cite> <quote>what skills? What is needed to perform at a real job, not academia. </quote> Such as? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 07/21/21 10:18:35 PM #105:	While it can come down to the major, the current college system as a whole is a scam. Many of the fields have never traditionally required degrees and the education within that field still doesn't qualify them to do the job in question. The problem is that college used to be a marker associated with prosperity, so people have flocked to it like a tiger rock. And although I'd argue education has value in and of itself, most colleges aren't providing value there either. More importantly, prominent universities often offer free content so you don't need to attend the school for anything more than a slip of paper that nobody really looks at after your first few professional jobs. Honestly, any intelligent, self-motivated person could probably get the same educational value from 1 year of self-study as they would from 4 years at a university. Honestly, at the end of the day, what matters is demonstrable skills and a measure of ambition. Other than a handful of careers with government regulation and oversight, you're not really going to need college to succeed and in many cases it doesn't even help. Derwood posted... Fun fact: only 35% of Americans go to college. There is this myth that everyone goes to college after high school, which has never been true You mean fun falsehood, because that's glaringly wrong. The enrollment rate is *69%*. https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=51 Not everybody completes college, but even the completion number is largely than the bullshit number you just tried to pretend. Derwood posted... Huh? Do you not know what a prerequisite is? Xethuminra posted... Being able to learn a skill in a group with people who you can collaborate with and network with, etc, is so indispensable. The problem with that idea is that you're really only getting that value from a small handful of elite schools. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:956334852] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>While it can come down to the major, the current college system as a whole is a scam. Many of the fields have never traditionally required degrees and the education within that field still doesn't qualify them to do the job in question. The problem is that college used to be a marker associated with prosperity, so people have flocked to it like a tiger rock. And although I'd argue education has value in and of itself, most colleges aren't providing value there either. More importantly, prominent universities often offer free content so you don't need to attend the school for anything more than a slip of paper that nobody really looks at after your first few professional jobs. Honestly, any intelligent, self-motivated person could probably get the same educational value from 1 year of self-study as they would from 4 years at a university. Honestly, at the end of the day, what matters is demonstrable skills and a measure of ambition. Other than a handful of careers with government regulation and oversight, you're not really going to need college to succeed and in many cases it doesn't even help. Derwood posted... </cite> <quote>Fun fact: only 35% of Americans go to college. There is this myth that everyone goes to college after high school, which has never been true</quote> You mean fun falsehood, because that's glaringly wrong. The enrollment rate is 69%. https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=51 Not everybody completes college, but even the completion number is largely than the bullshit number you just tried to pretend. Derwood posted... </cite> <quote>Huh?</quote> Do you not know what a prerequisite is? Xethuminra posted... </cite> <quote>Being able to learn a skill in a group with people who you can collaborate with and network with, etc, is so indispensable.</quote> The problem with that idea is that you're really only getting that value from a small handful of elite schools. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CableZL 07/21/21 10:31:55 PM #106:	I wish my school had talked to me about networking certifications as an alternative. I probably paid about $1000 total out of pocket for my certs and study materials, including failed exams. I didn't even find out about certs until I was in my mid 20s. And that was only because a friend at my 1st tech support job happened to talk about them one day. --- https://i.imgtc.com/d9Fc4Qq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/BKHTxYq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/vYYIuDx.jpg <cite>CableZL posted [p:956335207] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>I wish my school had talked to me about networking certifications as an alternative. I probably paid about $1000 total out of pocket for my certs and study materials, including failed exams. I didn't even find out about certs until I was in my mid 20s. And that was only because a friend at my 1st tech support job happened to talk about them one day. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bobaban 07/21/21 10:33:20 PM #107:	Sort of, get into a coop/intern program in STEM fields and you should be able to get a job right after. <cite>bobaban posted [p:956335258] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>Sort of, get into a coop/intern program in STEM fields and you should be able to get a job right after. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bobaban 07/21/21 10:36:17 PM #108:	_Rinku_ posted... You do know that an entire generation was told, for their entire lives, that they HAD to go to college or they would be a "worthless burger flipper" for the rest of their lives? And that they were repeatedly told that it didn't matter what their degree was in; it just mattered that they had one. I went to public school from 1997-2010 and I heard that from every adult in my life that entire time. I was constantly told I would be a failure if I didn't go to college and get a degree. And I made the "official" decision to attend when I was seventeen. And before you chime in with some cute, "Shouldn't have majored in underwater feminine studies," quip, know that I have one of those coveted STEM degrees. I graduated with high honors. I had a minor with extremely practical applications that should have allowed me to have a wide range of jobs I could do. I couldn't find SHIT after graduation. Sure, there were plenty of shitty lab jobs that paid $11/hr, but that's not a living wage. I constantly got filtered out by shitty algorithms before a human would ever look at my resume (even after copy pasting keywords and phrases and having a specialist completely rewrite my resume). The job market my generation was promised DOES NOT EXIST anymore and we feel justifiably ripped off. you need a PhD for the hard sciences like biology, chemistry, physics. Anything less is , like you said, is shitty technician jobs. <cite>bobaban posted [p:956335350] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>_Rinku_ posted... </cite> <quote>You do know that an entire generation was told, for their entire lives, that they HAD to go to college or they would be a "worthless burger flipper" for the rest of their lives? And that they were repeatedly told that it didn't matter what their degree was in; it just mattered that they had one. I went to public school from 1997-2010 and I heard that from every adult in my life that entire time. I was constantly told I would be a failure if I didn't go to college and get a degree. And I made the "official" decision to attend when I was seventeen. And before you chime in with some cute, "Shouldn't have majored in underwater feminine studies," quip, know that I have one of those coveted STEM degrees. I graduated with high honors. I had a minor with extremely practical applications that should have allowed me to have a wide range of jobs I could do. I couldn't find SHIT after graduation. Sure, there were plenty of shitty lab jobs that paid $11/hr, but that's not a living wage. I constantly got filtered out by shitty algorithms before a human would ever look at my resume (even after copy pasting keywords and phrases and having a specialist completely rewrite my resume). The job market my generation was promised DOES NOT EXIST anymore and we feel justifiably ripped off.</quote> you need a PhD for the hard sciences like biology, chemistry, physics. Anything less is , like you said, is shitty technician jobs. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Derwood 07/21/21 10:38:30 PM #109:	Zeus posted... You mean fun falsehood, because that's glaringly wrong. The enrollment rate is *69%*. https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=51 You're looking at enrollment, I'm looking at completion: https://www.statista.com/statistics/184272/educational-attainment-of-college-diploma-or-higher-by-gender/ Do you not know what a prerequisite is? Yes, but I don't know any major (where I teach) that has prerequisites that are unrelated to the major <cite>Derwood posted [p:956335410] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>Zeus posted... <quote> You mean fun falsehood, because that's glaringly wrong. The enrollment rate is 69%. https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=51</quote> You're looking at enrollment, I'm looking at completion: https://www.statista.com/statistics/184272/educational-attainment-of-college-diploma-or-higher-by-gender/ <quote>Do you not know what a prerequisite is? </quote> Yes, but I don't know any major (where I teach) that has prerequisites that are unrelated to the major </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TrollTrace 07/21/21 10:42:15 PM #110:	Zeus posted... Honestly, any intelligent, self-motivated person could probably get the same educational value from 1 year of self-study as they would from 4 years at a university. Agreed. Actually convincing people of this is hard because the US teaches at a snails pace compared to other countries, they practically walk you by the hand. Back when i lived in Argentina at 6 years old we were learning addition and subtraction, shortly after immigrating to the US in school for the next 2 years pretty much they had me coloring pictures...US academic system is pretty bad. I still remember in 6th grade when bush literally passed a law where students could not fail a grade lmao in college gen eds the instructors know the intro classes are bs andmost students know the material so even if you just show up every once in awhile to take the tests and bomb them all they will still pass you with a D or C, college is crazy easy here. <cite>TrollTrace posted [p:956335513] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>Zeus posted... <quote>Honestly, any intelligent, self-motivated person could probably get the same educational value from 1 year of self-study as they would from 4 years at a university.</quote> Agreed. Actually convincing people of this is hard because the US teaches at a snails pace compared to other countries, they practically walk you by the hand. Back when i lived in Argentina at 6 years old we were learning addition and subtraction, shortly after immigrating to the US in school for the next 2 years pretty much they had me coloring pictures...US academic system is pretty bad. I still remember in 6th grade when bush literally passed a law where students could not fail a grade lmao in college gen eds the instructors know the intro classes are bs andmost students know the material so even if you just show up every once in awhile to take the tests and bomb them all they will still pass you with a D or C, college is crazy easy here. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 07/21/21 10:55:08 PM #111:	bobaban posted... you need a PhD for the hard sciences like biology, chemistry, physics. Anything less is , like you said, is shitty technician jobs. I know that now, man. But seventeen year old me was told "any degree" and I thought I was playing it safe by getting one of the "hard" ones. Shit dude, I can do some really simple Java, SQL, and web design too. Well, I could. It's been years since I used it. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:956335842] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>bobaban posted... </cite> <quote>you need a PhD for the hard sciences like biology, chemistry, physics. Anything less is , like you said, is shitty technician jobs.</quote>I know that now, man. But seventeen year old me was told "any degree" and I thought I was playing it safe by getting one of the "hard" ones. Shit dude, I can do some really simple Java, SQL, and web design too. Well, I could. It's been years since I used it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheShadowViper 07/21/21 11:02:22 PM #112:	Anyone who says no has not been on a college campus or gotten a degree in the last several decades and/or is in denial. Even if you graduated with an in demand degree, it is very easy to see that college is absolutely a scam for the vast majority of students if not all of them. Nearly every portion of the experience is a rip off from housing to books to the actual classes themselves. Many courses are actively designed to weed out students from being able to graduate in their chosen field. That is, you could have a course that has little to nothing to do with your degree and it could prevent you from graduating with that degree. Wherever you look, the college is taking advantage of the student. That's a scam. <cite>TheShadowViper posted [p:956336026] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>Anyone who says no has not been on a college campus or gotten a degree in the last several decades and/or is in denial. Even if you graduated with an in demand degree, it is very easy to see that college is absolutely a scam for the vast majority of students if not all of them. Nearly every portion of the experience is a rip off from housing to books to the actual classes themselves. Many courses are actively designed to weed out students from being able to graduate in their chosen field. That is, you could have a course that has little to nothing to do with your degree and it could prevent you from graduating with that degree. Wherever you look, the college is taking advantage of the student. That's a scam. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
limp-bizkit-89 07/21/21 11:09:03 PM #113:	Derwood posted... Such as? whatever it takes not to need to do free labor or token pay labor (internship) just so any shithole is willing to look at your resume upon graduation. do you really think your parents and grandparents were doing internships and blowing who knows who in order to get their first job? Something changed since then: education stopped updating itself and became outdated and it doesnt match the job market anymore --- Keep Rollin Rollin Rollin (yeah!) <cite>limp-bizkit-89 posted [p:956336217] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>Derwood posted... </cite> <quote>Such as?</quote> whatever it takes not to need to do free labor or token pay labor (internship) just so any shithole is willing to look at your resume upon graduation. do you really think your parents and grandparents were doing internships and blowing who knows who in order to get their first job? Something changed since then: education stopped updating itself and became outdated and it doesnt match the job market anymore </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Derwood 07/21/21 11:09:52 PM #114:	TheShadowViper posted... Anyone who says no has not been on a college campus or gotten a degree in the last several decades and/or is in denial. Even if you graduated with an in demand degree, it is very easy to see that college is absolutely a scam for the vast majority of students if not all of them. Nearly every portion of the experience is a rip off from housing to books to the actual classes themselves. Many courses are actively designed to weed out students from being able to graduate in their chosen field. That is, you could have a course that has little to nothing to do with your degree and it could prevent you from graduating with that degree. Wherever you look, the college is taking advantage of the student. That's a scam. I'm a college professor and I see none of this <cite>Derwood posted [p:956336233] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>TheShadowViper posted... </cite> <quote>Anyone who says no has not been on a college campus or gotten a degree in the last several decades and/or is in denial. Even if you graduated with an in demand degree, it is very easy to see that college is absolutely a scam for the vast majority of students if not all of them. Nearly every portion of the experience is a rip off from housing to books to the actual classes themselves. Many courses are actively designed to weed out students from being able to graduate in their chosen field. That is, you could have a course that has little to nothing to do with your degree and it could prevent you from graduating with that degree. Wherever you look, the college is taking advantage of the student. That's a scam.</quote> I'm a college professor and I see none of this </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Derwood 07/21/21 11:10:39 PM #115:	limp-bizkit-89 posted... whatever it takes not to need to do free labor or token pay labor (internship) just so any shithole is willing to look at your resume upon graduation. do you really think your parents and grandparents were doing internships and blowing who knows who in order to get their first job? Something changed since then: education stopped updating itself and became outdated and it doesnt match the job market anymore It's not a college's job to teach you job-specific skills. That's the employer's job <cite>Derwood posted [p:956336258] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>limp-bizkit-89 posted... </cite> <quote>whatever it takes not to need to do free labor or token pay labor (internship) just so any shithole is willing to look at your resume upon graduation. do you really think your parents and grandparents were doing internships and blowing who knows who in order to get their first job? Something changed since then: education stopped updating itself and became outdated and it doesnt match the job market anymore</quote> It's not a college's job to teach you job-specific skills. That's the employer's job </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
limp-bizkit-89 07/21/21 11:12:46 PM #116:	Derwood posted... I'm a college professor and I see none of this so thats why you have been so defensive about all of this. This explains it. --- Keep Rollin Rollin Rollin (yeah!) <cite>limp-bizkit-89 posted [p:956336306] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>Derwood posted... </cite> <quote>I'm a college professor and I see none of this</quote> so thats why you have been so defensive about all of this. This explains it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Sonic 07/21/21 11:12:57 PM #117:	Derwood posted... It's not a college's job to teach you job-specific skills. That's the employer's job But a good college with an eye for turning out graduates with skillsets that are sought after in the industry would probably do well to tailor the sorts of exposure their students get, primarily through trying to encourage interning. --- It is more important to use your anonymity to upset other people than it is to do anything productive. <cite>Solid Sonic posted [p:956336310] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>Derwood posted... </cite> <quote>It's not a college's job to teach you job-specific skills. That's the employer's job</quote> But a good college with an eye for turning out graduates with skillsets that are sought after in the industry would probably do well to tailor the sorts of exposure their students get, primarily through trying to encourage interning. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 07/21/21 11:12:57 PM #118:	TheShadowViper posted... Nearly every portion of the experience is a rip off from housing to books to the actual classes themselves. The housing and book situation is getting out of control. The "affordable commuter school" I went to decided to require freshmen to live on campus. This meant paying, at minimum, about 2k/semester for a room you share with someone else and 1.5k/semester for buffet quality food. This is mandatory. My cousin went to a school where this was required for freshmen AND sophomores. My college apartment was a fraction of that price, my groceries infinitely cheaper, and my home cooked meals miles tastier. Schools in general are also just garbage about books. I had to pay $200 for a book for a class on Excel. The book itself was about half that cost and the other half was for an access code that was literally just half completed spreadsheets we had to finish. It was a major ripoff. I had a Calculus professor basically threaten any students who hadn't dropped $200 on the NEW book the first day of class. Then there's all the fees. Lab fees. Distance learning fees. Fees for the gym (which I barely used). Fees for the shuttle bus (again, barely used and was crappy). These, in addition to skyrocketing tuition, are what have made college SO EXPENSIVE. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:956336311] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>TheShadowViper posted... </cite> <quote>Nearly every portion of the experience is a rip off from housing to books to the actual classes themselves.</quote>The housing and book situation is getting out of control. The "affordable commuter school" I went to decided to require freshmen to live on campus. This meant paying, at minimum, about 2k/semester for a room you share with someone else and 1.5k/semester for buffet quality food. This is mandatory. My cousin went to a school where this was required for freshmen AND sophomores. My college apartment was a fraction of that price, my groceries infinitely cheaper, and my home cooked meals miles tastier. Schools in general are also just garbage about books. I had to pay $200 for a book for a class on Excel. The book itself was about half that cost and the other half was for an access code that was literally just half completed spreadsheets we had to finish. It was a major ripoff. I had a Calculus professor basically threaten any students who hadn't dropped $200 on the NEW book the first day of class. Then there's all the fees. Lab fees. Distance learning fees. Fees for the gym (which I barely used). Fees for the shuttle bus (again, barely used and was crappy). These, in addition to skyrocketing tuition, are what have made college SO EXPENSIVE. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Oh_you_travel 07/21/21 11:14:26 PM #119:	I majored in philosophy which was useless for getting a job. I then self-taught Engineering. Discuss <cite>Oh_you_travel posted [p:956336365] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>I majored in philosophy which was useless for getting a job. I then self-taught Engineering. Discuss </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NightMarishPie 07/21/21 11:16:16 PM #120:	Didn't read thread: https://www.northeastern.edu/bachelors-completion/news/average-salary-by-education-level/ Having a college degree vastly paid more vs a high school degree over time. --- "Who dares, wins" 3DS FC: 1521 3697 7272 <cite>NightMarishPie posted [p:956336415] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>Didn't read thread: https://www.northeastern.edu/bachelors-completion/news/average-salary-by-education-level/ Having a college degree vastly paid more vs a high school degree over time. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Sonic 07/21/21 11:18:12 PM #121:	NightMarishPie posted... Didn't read thread: https://www.northeastern.edu/bachelors-completion/news/average-salary-by-education-level/ Having a college degree vastly paid more vs a high school degree over time. But is that for any genuine reason? Do college grads turn into more effective employees or is it more for the prestige of the employer that they're hiring college educated individuals? --- It is more important to use your anonymity to upset other people than it is to do anything productive. <cite>Solid Sonic posted [p:956336474] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>NightMarishPie posted... </cite> <quote>Didn't read thread: https://www.northeastern.edu/bachelors-completion/news/average-salary-by-education-level/ Having a college degree vastly paid more vs a high school degree over time.</quote> But is that for any genuine reason? Do college grads turn into more effective employees or is it more for the prestige of the employer that they're hiring college educated individuals? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 07/21/21 11:19:08 PM #122:	Derwood posted... It's not a college's job to teach you job-specific skills. That's the employer's job Why does every job posting want you to know how to use industry specific software already? Like, of course I don't have experience with your proprietary ERP software. Why do you have this labeled as an entry level position that pays $40k in an area where that is absolutely a poverty wage? <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:956336506] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>Derwood posted... </cite> <quote>It's not a college's job to teach you job-specific skills. That's the employer's job</quote>Why does every job posting want you to know how to use industry specific software already? Like, of course I don't have experience with your proprietary ERP software. Why do you have this labeled as an entry level position that pays $40k in an area where that is absolutely a poverty wage? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Derwood 07/21/21 11:21:42 PM #123:	_Rinku_ posted... Why does every job posting want you to know how to use industry specific software already? Like, of course I don't have experience with your proprietary ERP software. Why do you have this labeled as an entry level position that pays $40k in an area where that is absolutely a poverty wage? No idea. It's ridiculous to think any college could prepare someone for any job in a given field. My wife works for a major restaurant company and they have like a dozen proprietary software packages. There's a zero percent chance that her university would have taught her any of them <cite>Derwood posted [p:956336581] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>_Rinku_ posted... </cite> <quote>Why does every job posting want you to know how to use industry specific software already? Like, of course I don't have experience with your proprietary ERP software. Why do you have this labeled as an entry level position that pays $40k in an area where that is absolutely a poverty wage?</quote> No idea. It's ridiculous to think any college could prepare someone for any job in a given field. My wife works for a major restaurant company and they have like a dozen proprietary software packages. There's a zero percent chance that her university would have taught her any of them </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NightMarishPie 07/21/21 11:21:46 PM #124:	Solid Sonic posted... But is that for any genuine reason? Do college grads turn into more effective employees or is it more for the prestige of the employer that they're hiring college educated individuals? "Earning a bachelors degree brings a lot of what I call soft skill development, Hughes says. I think that learning to work together at a higher level with classmates is a huge opportunity to build self-confidence and resilience, which can be difficult to obtain elsewhere. Interpret that for how you will, at least for this study. --- "Who dares, wins" 3DS FC: 1521 3697 7272 <cite>NightMarishPie posted [p:956336583] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>Solid Sonic posted... </cite> <quote>But is that for any genuine reason? Do college grads turn into more effective employees or is it more for the prestige of the employer that they're hiring college educated individuals?</quote>"Earning a bachelors degree brings a lot of what I call soft skill development, Hughes says. I think that learning to work together at a higher level with classmates is a huge opportunity to build self-confidence and resilience, which can be difficult to obtain elsewhere. Interpret that for how you will, at least for this study. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Derwood 07/21/21 11:22:27 PM #125:	Solid Sonic posted... But a good college with an eye for turning out graduates with skillsets that are sought after in the industry would probably do well to tailor the sorts of exposure their students get, primarily through trying to encourage interning. A job really wants solid written and oral communication skills, creative problem solving, the ability to collaborate with other people, and a working knowledge of the field <cite>Derwood posted [p:956336602] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>Solid Sonic posted... </cite> <quote>But a good college with an eye for turning out graduates with skillsets that are sought after in the industry would probably do well to tailor the sorts of exposure their students get, primarily through trying to encourage interning.</quote> A job really wants solid written and oral communication skills, creative problem solving, the ability to collaborate with other people, and a working knowledge of the field </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 07/21/21 11:26:29 PM #126:	Derwood posted... No idea. It's ridiculous to think any college could prepare someone for any job in a given field. My wife works for a major restaurant company and they have like a dozen proprietary software packages. There's a zero percent chance that her university would have taught her any of them A lot of the job postings I see expect you to already know this stuff. I'd understand if they were mid-level jobs, but they're always "entry-level" and pay absolutely pitiful wages. No one with these levels of experience is going to take a job making $40k. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:956336715] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>Derwood posted... </cite> <quote>No idea. It's ridiculous to think any college could prepare someone for any job in a given field. My wife works for a major restaurant company and they have like a dozen proprietary software packages. There's a zero percent chance that her university would have taught her any of them</quote>A lot of the job postings I see expect you to already know this stuff. I'd understand if they were mid-level jobs, but they're always "entry-level" and pay absolutely pitiful wages. No one with these levels of experience is going to take a job making $40k. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
limp-bizkit-89 07/21/21 11:27:32 PM #127:	Oh_you_travel posted... I majored in philosophy which was useless for getting a job. I then self-taught Engineering. Discuss dont most engineering jobs require a bachelors degree? (Honest question). Most job postings I see exclude candidates without a bachelors in engineering or a related field --- Keep Rollin Rollin Rollin (yeah!) <cite>limp-bizkit-89 posted [p:956336746] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>Oh_you_travel posted... </cite> <quote>I majored in philosophy which was useless for getting a job. I then self-taught Engineering. Discuss</quote> dont most engineering jobs require a bachelors degree? (Honest question). Most job postings I see exclude candidates without a bachelors in engineering or a related field </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
limp-bizkit-89 07/21/21 11:29:19 PM #128:	Derwood posted... No idea. It's ridiculous to think any college could prepare someone for any job in a given field. My wife works for a major restaurant company and they have like a dozen proprietary software packages. There's a zero percent chance that her university would have taught her any of them its almost like youre starting to understand what I meant by teaching useful stuff and skills. Youre almost there, college professor, think harder --- Keep Rollin Rollin Rollin (yeah!) <cite>limp-bizkit-89 posted [p:956336797] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>Derwood posted... </cite> <quote>No idea. It's ridiculous to think any college could prepare someone for any job in a given field. My wife works for a major restaurant company and they have like a dozen proprietary software packages. There's a zero percent chance that her university would have taught her any of them</quote> its almost like youre starting to understand what I meant by teaching useful stuff and skills. Youre almost there, college professor, think harder </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BeyondWalls 07/21/21 11:36:07 PM #129:	I think the US has proved lately that education is always worth it. --- END OF LINE <cite>BeyondWalls posted [p:956336968] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>I think the US has proved lately that education is always worth it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 07/21/21 11:38:13 PM #130:	I've heard it's a scam. I started last year though and I'd say that everything I have studied is relevant and applicable to the real world. A few of my courses required term projects that were compiled in a cloud-based mapping and publishing tool that I know companies and organizations actually use. So instead of a relatively boring black-on-white essay in Word you've got a popping, more interactive narrative. And my wife just got a certification at a community college and that's already bumped her job prospects up a ton. Guess I'd just say be mindful of where and what you study? Idk. --- FFXIV: Lucius Hexenseele (Brynhildr) \| RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC/Fish/Cook/Fletch/Div/Mining/Smithing/Thieving/Crafting/RC https://letterboxd.com/BMovieBro/ <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:956337014] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>I've heard it's a scam. I started last year though and I'd say that everything I have studied is relevant and applicable to the real world. A few of my courses required term projects that were compiled in a cloud-based mapping and publishing tool that I know companies and organizations actually use. So instead of a relatively boring black-on-white essay in Word you've got a popping, more interactive narrative. And my wife just got a certification at a community college and that's already bumped her job prospects up a ton. Guess I'd just say be mindful of where and what you study? Idk. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 07/21/21 11:38:34 PM #131:	BeyondWalls posted... I think the US has proved lately that education is always worth it. Eh best friend makes near triple what I make and he dropped out of high school. I was going for a 2 year degree until the professor finally decided to tell the class a 2 year degree wouldnt open any doors for us it would jut maybe look good enough on paper would get hired over someone else --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:956337025] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>BeyondWalls posted... </cite> <quote>I think the US has proved lately that education is always worth it.</quote> Eh best friend makes near triple what I make and he dropped out of high school. I was going for a 2 year degree until the professor finally decided to tell the class a 2 year degree wouldnt open any doors for us it would jut maybe look good enough on paper would get hired over someone else </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Derwood 07/21/21 11:55:07 PM #132:	limp-bizkit-89 posted... its almost like youre starting to understand what I meant by teaching useful stuff and skills. Youre almost there, college professor, think harder AGAIN, college is not a job-skill training academy. There is LITERALLY no way for a (say) business program to teach you the skills for EVERY business related job out there. <cite>Derwood posted [p:956337420] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>limp-bizkit-89 posted... </cite> <quote>its almost like youre starting to understand what I meant by teaching useful stuff and skills. Youre almost there, college professor, think harder</quote> AGAIN, college is not a job-skill training academy. There is LITERALLY no way for a (say) business program to teach you the skills for EVERY business related job out there. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
limp-bizkit-89 07/22/21 12:02:59 AM #133:	Derwood posted... AGAIN, college is not a job-skill training academy. There is LITERALLY no way for a (say) business program to teach you the skills for EVERY business related job out there. tell that to all of these employers who treat it as such. --- Keep Rollin Rollin Rollin (yeah!) <cite>limp-bizkit-89 posted [p:956337605] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>Derwood posted... </cite> <quote>AGAIN, college is not a job-skill training academy. There is LITERALLY no way for a (say) business program to teach you the skills for EVERY business related job out there.</quote> tell that to all of these employers who treat it as such. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Derwood 07/22/21 12:04:35 AM #134:	limp-bizkit-89 posted... tell that to all of these employers who treat it as such. That's an employer problem, not a college problem <cite>Derwood posted [p:956337663] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>limp-bizkit-89 posted... </cite> <quote>tell that to all of these employers who treat it as such.</quote> That's an employer problem, not a college problem </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
limp-bizkit-89 07/22/21 12:09:00 AM #135:	Derwood posted... That's an employer problem, not a college problem how convenient. Tell that to all of the college students that end buried in debt and they cant even get a job, because everyone told them that if they didnt go to college they would be flipping burgers. do you even have (or had) a real job? --- Keep Rollin Rollin Rollin (yeah!) <cite>limp-bizkit-89 posted [p:956337775] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote> Derwood posted... </cite> <quote>That's an employer problem, not a college problem</quote> how convenient. Tell that to all of the college students that end buried in debt and they cant even get a job, because everyone told them that if they didnt go to college they would be flipping burgers. do you even have (or had) a real job? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheShadowViper 07/22/21 12:10:37 AM #136:	Derwood posted... I'm a college professor and I see none of this I'm sure you don't. Those who are leeching off a scam usually love being oblivious to them. College professors and administrators directly benefit from the current system. <cite>TheShadowViper posted [p:956337811] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>Derwood posted... </cite> <quote>I'm a college professor and I see none of this</quote>I'm sure you don't. Those who are leeching off a scam usually love being oblivious to them. College professors and administrators directly benefit from the current system. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Derwood 07/22/21 12:17:19 AM #137:	TheShadowViper posted... I'm sure you don't. Those who are leeching off a scam usually love being oblivious to them. College professors and administrators directly benefit from the current system. I'm saying that I (nor any of my colleagues) do the things you're saying. I DON'T design courses to "weed out" people from the major (for example). I'm sure there are places that do, but I don't see it where I work. My university IS stupidly expensive, which is a problem I have little control in fixing <cite>Derwood posted [p:956337969] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>TheShadowViper posted... </cite> <quote>I'm sure you don't. Those who are leeching off a scam usually love being oblivious to them. College professors and administrators directly benefit from the current system.</quote> I'm saying that I (nor any of my colleagues) do the things you're saying. I DON'T design courses to "weed out" people from the major (for example). I'm sure there are places that do, but I don't see it where I work. My university IS stupidly expensive, which is a problem I have little control in fixing </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
limp-bizkit-89 07/22/21 12:17:59 AM #138:	TheShadowViper posted... I'm sure you don't. Those who are leeching off a scam usually love being oblivious to them. College professors and administrators directly benefit from the current system. yeah dude was being awfully defensive but I decided not to engage him, I thought he was merely trolling. then I read he is a professor and suddenly it all made sense. He will tell you the same bullshit all people who make a living out of colleges tell: college is not job training, it is not even supposed to help you get a job. Colleges function is to enlighten you and make you a well rounded person, thats it. as if people chose to get dozens of thousands of dollars in debt just to get enlightened I am actually not anti-college at all, I simply see its flaws. --- Keep Rollin Rollin Rollin (yeah!) <cite>limp-bizkit-89 posted [p:956337988] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>TheShadowViper posted... </cite> <quote>I'm sure you don't. Those who are leeching off a scam usually love being oblivious to them. College professors and administrators directly benefit from the current system.</quote> yeah dude was being awfully defensive but I decided not to engage him, I thought he was merely trolling. then I read he is a professor and suddenly it all made sense. He will tell you the same bullshit all people who make a living out of colleges tell: college is not job training, it is not even supposed to help you get a job. Colleges function is to enlighten you and make you a well rounded person, thats it. as if people chose to get dozens of thousands of dollars in debt just to get enlightened I am actually not anti-college at all, I simply see its flaws. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Derwood 07/22/21 12:18:45 AM #139:	limp-bizkit-89 posted... do you even have (or had) a real job? Several, thanks. I'm probably old enough to be your father <cite>Derwood posted [p:956338010] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>limp-bizkit-89 posted... </cite> <quote> do you even have (or had) a real job?</quote> Several, thanks. I'm probably old enough to be your father </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Derwood 07/22/21 12:19:45 AM #140:	limp-bizkit-89 posted... yeah dude was being awfully defensive but I decided not to engage him, I thought he was merely trolling. then I read he is a professor and suddenly it all made sense. He will tell you the same bullshit all people who make a living out of colleges tell: college is not job training, it is not even supposed to help you get a job. Colleges function is to enlighten you and make you a well rounded person, thats it. as if people chose to get dozens of thousands of dollars in debt just to get enlightened I am actually not anti-college at all, I simply see its flaws. The cool thing about college, though, is that it's completely optional. I know you say it's not, but it really is. No one is forcing you to spend a dime on it. <cite>Derwood posted [p:956338034] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>limp-bizkit-89 posted... </cite> <quote>yeah dude was being awfully defensive but I decided not to engage him, I thought he was merely trolling. then I read he is a professor and suddenly it all made sense. He will tell you the same bullshit all people who make a living out of colleges tell: college is not job training, it is not even supposed to help you get a job. Colleges function is to enlighten you and make you a well rounded person, thats it. as if people chose to get dozens of thousands of dollars in debt just to get enlightened I am actually not anti-college at all, I simply see its flaws.</quote> The cool thing about college, though, is that it's completely optional. I know you say it's not, but it really is. No one is forcing you to spend a dime on it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ElatedVenusaur 07/22/21 12:30:39 AM #141:	Really, this wouldn't be a problem if the cost of college was at all reasonable and going to college did not practically require taking out a giant pile of loans at relatively high rates for interest. The fact that this "decision" is routinely made by teenagers makes it even worse. I can say with certainty that 17 year old me was a dumb ass with only a vague concept of how much college cost, and everyone around me encouraged me not to think too hard about it ~~LOL OWNED~~ Like, the expense of higher education(whether that be a community college, a university, a trade school, etc.) should be heavily regulated and heavily subsidised to make sure anyone who wants an education can get one, and that deciding this isn't for you isn't ~~more~~ financially ruinous. Again: especially because this is a decision routinely made by teenagers, who are notoriously poor decision-makers. --- She/her <cite>ElatedVenusaur posted [p:956338269] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>Really, this wouldn't be a problem if the cost of college was at all reasonable and going to college did not practically require taking out a giant pile of loans at relatively high rates for interest. The fact that this "decision" is routinely made by teenagers makes it even worse. I can say with certainty that 17 year old me was a dumb ass with only a vague concept of how much college cost, and everyone around me encouraged me not to think too hard about it LOL OWNED Like, the expense of higher education(whether that be a community college, a university, a trade school, etc.) should be heavily regulated and heavily subsidised to make sure anyone who wants an education can get one, and that deciding this isn't for you isn't more financially ruinous. Again: especially because this is a decision routinely made by teenagers, who are notoriously poor decision-makers. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 07/22/21 12:32:47 AM #142:	I think people need to be more intelligent about how they pursue higher education But I also think people who dismiss the idea of college entirely tend to be people who either wouldn't go or couldn't go. --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:956338311] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>I think people need to be more intelligent about how they pursue higher education But I also think people who dismiss the idea of college entirely tend to be people who either wouldn't go or couldn't go. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 07/22/21 12:54:10 AM #143:	ElatedVenusaur posted... I can say with certainty that 17 year old me was a dumb ass with only a vague concept of how much college cost, and everyone around me encouraged me not to think too hard about it I think I mentioned it before, but this really gets me too. I see a lot of ignorant people who will sneer that, "You were an adult, you knew what you were signing up for!" but a lot of us literally weren't. I had to finalize my decision for which college I'd attend while I was seventeen. I had to make choices about financial aid, housing, etc., when I still had to raise my hand and ask for permission to go to the restroom. When I wasn't considered mentally developed enough to vote, drink, smoke, or rent a car or hotel room, I was "capable" of agreeing to take out thousands in loans on the promise that "You NEED a degree and it'll be easy to pay those back." Not to mention that there's not some magical switch that gets flipped on your 18th birthday that turns you into a well-informed, rational person. And I was one of the ones who did do a lot of research. I still remember the despair I felt, arguing with a financial aid officer at one school, that I couldn't give my abusive, absentee father's information because he was out of my life at that time. I still remember how cold that woman was. Zero compassion. Zero care that, legally, I didn't have a father (not listed on my birth certificate). Just a flat "not my problem." Think about how discouraging that is. How frustrating, when you're just trying to make a better life for yourself. Let's not even get into how bullshit the FAFSA and its EFC is. If you're under the age of 24, it goes by your parents finances, even if they give you absolutely no money. This was NEVER brought up prior to when I was filling it out. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:956338724] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>ElatedVenusaur posted... </cite> <quote>I can say with certainty that 17 year old me was a dumb ass with only a vague concept of how much college cost, and everyone around me encouraged me not to think too hard about it</quote>I think I mentioned it before, but this really gets me too. I see a lot of ignorant people who will sneer that, "You were an adult, you knew what you were signing up for!" but a lot of us literally weren't. I had to finalize my decision for which college I'd attend while I was seventeen. I had to make choices about financial aid, housing, etc., when I still had to raise my hand and ask for permission to go to the restroom. When I wasn't considered mentally developed enough to vote, drink, smoke, or rent a car or hotel room, I was "capable" of agreeing to take out thousands in loans on the promise that "You NEED a degree and it'll be easy to pay those back." Not to mention that there's not some magical switch that gets flipped on your 18th birthday that turns you into a well-informed, rational person. And I was one of the ones who did do a lot of research. I still remember the despair I felt, arguing with a financial aid officer at one school, that I couldn't give my abusive, absentee father's information because he was out of my life at that time. I still remember how cold that woman was. Zero compassion. Zero care that, legally, I didn't have a father (not listed on my birth certificate). Just a flat "not my problem." Think about how discouraging that is. How frustrating, when you're just trying to make a better life for yourself. Let's not even get into how bullshit the FAFSA and its EFC is. If you're under the age of 24, it goes by your parents finances, even if they give you absolutely no money. This was NEVER brought up prior to when I was filling it out. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TerraSeeker 07/22/21 12:55:09 AM #144:	There's some merit to it, but it definitely needs some reform. Like pair it with an apprenticeship program. --- Your words are as empty as your soul <cite>TerraSeeker posted [p:956338743] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>There's some merit to it, but it definitely needs some reform. Like pair it with an apprenticeship program. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foxhound101 07/22/21 1:11:10 AM #145:	*Derwood* CableZL posted... If I'm paying $13,000 for tuition, I would expect something to be relevant every year I'm there. I was majoring in computer science, and I took: * English writing * Chemistry * US History * World Geography * Psychology I remember sitting in World Geography class being tasked with memorizing the names of rivers in France at a time where Google Maps was new and wondering what the point of the class was for me. I think anyone who goes to college would want to have a well-rounded education Nah - Not everyone who attended college thinks the "well-rounded" thing is necessary. It's just an excuse to drag out the experience for 4 years to get the piece of paper at the end. This is why trade schools should be encouraged. You focus on learning practical skills for the thing that you are learning. --- There are a ton of misconceptions about recycling. Learn how to better at recycling: https://onbetterliving.com/simplify-recycling/ <cite>foxhound101 posted [p:956339059] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>Derwood CableZL posted... <quote>If I'm paying $13,000 for tuition, I would expect something to be relevant every year I'm there. I was majoring in computer science, and I took: * English writing * Chemistry * US History * World Geography * Psychology I remember sitting in World Geography class being tasked with memorizing the names of rivers in France at a time where Google Maps was new and wondering what the point of the class was for me.</quote> I think anyone who goes to college would want to have a well-rounded education Nah - Not everyone who attended college thinks the "well-rounded" thing is necessary. It's just an excuse to drag out the experience for 4 years to get the piece of paper at the end. This is why trade schools should be encouraged. You focus on learning practical skills for the thing that you are learning. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
limp-bizkit-89 07/22/21 1:12:47 AM #146:	Derwood posted... The cool thing about college, though, is that it's completely optional. I know you say it's not, but it really is. No one is forcing you to spend a dime on it. this tells me you havent spent too much time in the real world, gramps --- Keep Rollin Rollin Rollin (yeah!) <cite>limp-bizkit-89 posted [p:956339094] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>Derwood posted... </cite> <quote>The cool thing about college, though, is that it's completely optional. I know you say it's not, but it really is. No one is forcing you to spend a dime on it.</quote> this tells me you havent spent too much time in the real world, gramps </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CableZL 07/22/21 1:18:02 AM #147:	Yeah, I'm now 35 and will be 36 next month. I still haven't needed to know the name of a river in France. --- https://i.imgtc.com/d9Fc4Qq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/BKHTxYq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/vYYIuDx.jpg <cite>CableZL posted [p:956339198] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, I'm now 35 and will be 36 next month. I still haven't needed to know the name of a river in France. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
limp-bizkit-89 07/22/21 1:18:53 AM #148:	CableZL posted... Yeah, I'm now 35 and will be 36 next month. I still haven't needed to know the name of a river in France. but you are wElL rOuNDeD, wasnt that worth at least 20k? --- Keep Rollin Rollin Rollin (yeah!) <cite>limp-bizkit-89 posted [p:956339214] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>CableZL posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah, I'm now 35 and will be 36 next month. I still haven't needed to know the name of a river in France.</quote> but you are wElL rOuNDeD, wasnt that worth at least 20k? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CaptainOfCrush 07/22/21 1:38:09 AM #149:	Part-time university lecturer here (earning poverty wages of my own!) College is not an outright scam, but it is severely overpriced, and the value of the degree itself has been diluted over time as larger percentages of the workforce attain them (about 40% of millennials have a bachelors). Students are relentlessly nickel-and-dimed on expensive textbooks and administrative fees, as the costs of the newly built dining hall or campus gym (that most students didn't ask for) are incorporated into their tuition. Tenure-track professors spend their first ~5 years focused almost entirely on their research; once they are published and have gained tenure, they are impervious (it's almost impossible to get rid of a tenured professor, no matter how lazy or incompetent) and glut themselves on a lifetime of massive salaries while teaching as little as two classes per semester. The US university system leans too hard on a broad spectrum of learning. Generally speaking, it takes about 40 college classes to earn a Bachelors, and at least 30% of those will be comprised of electives unrelated to a student's major. That's just too much, IMO. Some of those elective requirements should be trimmed. Of course, that will never be approved, as it would reduce the school's tuition revenue. All that said, there are steps I think an incoming student can take to mitigate costs and get more value for their degree: Start at your local community college. This will save tons of money, will allow you to more easily transfer to a good university (it's always tougher to get into a competitive uni directly out of high school), and no one cares where you got your pre-reqs done anyway. Transfer to an in-state university. If your family is rich, you can travel across the country to your dream school. If you're on a budget, stay in-state, as this usual cuts tuition costs. STEM. If you opt for an easier major like business, stick with number-based fields like accounting or finance (that was the route I took). If you opt for liberal arts, I don't really have advice for you as I don't know anything about that realm. Join every job-fair and job-related student organization you can find. These exist EVERYWHERE, and many fields, such as accounting, recruit extensively with the university. I returned to get my Masters in accounting after a few years just working and looking for jobs on my own, and I was amazed how much easier it was to find a job directly through the university system than on my own. --- Yoblazer https://imgur.com/gByqgPg <cite>CaptainOfCrush posted [p:956339577] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>Part-time university lecturer here (earning poverty wages of my own!) College is not an outright scam, but it is severely overpriced, and the value of the degree itself has been diluted over time as larger percentages of the workforce attain them (about 40% of millennials have a bachelors). Students are relentlessly nickel-and-dimed on expensive textbooks and administrative fees, as the costs of the newly built dining hall or campus gym (that most students didn't ask for) are incorporated into their tuition. Tenure-track professors spend their first ~5 years focused almost entirely on their research; once they are published and have gained tenure, they are impervious (it's almost impossible to get rid of a tenured professor, no matter how lazy or incompetent) and glut themselves on a lifetime of massive salaries while teaching as little as two classes per semester. The US university system leans too hard on a broad spectrum of learning. Generally speaking, it takes about 40 college classes to earn a Bachelors, and at least 30% of those will be comprised of electives unrelated to a student's major. That's just too much, IMO. Some of those elective requirements should be trimmed. Of course, that will never be approved, as it would reduce the school's tuition revenue. All that said, there are steps I think an incoming student can take to mitigate costs and get more value for their degree: Start at your local community college. This will save tons of money, will allow you to more easily transfer to a good university (it's always tougher to get into a competitive uni directly out of high school), and no one cares where you got your pre-reqs done anyway. Transfer to an in-state university. If your family is rich, you can travel across the country to your dream school. If you're on a budget, stay in-state, as this usual cuts tuition costs. STEM. If you opt for an easier major like business, stick with number-based fields like accounting or finance (that was the route I took). If you opt for liberal arts, I don't really have advice for you as I don't know anything about that realm. Join every job-fair and job-related student organization you can find. These exist EVERYWHERE, and many fields, such as accounting, recruit extensively with the university. I returned to get my Masters in accounting after a few years just working and looking for jobs on my own, and I was amazed how much easier it was to find a job directly through the university system than on my own. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cemith 07/22/21 1:42:05 AM #150:	It's indicative of a larger problem, but if your college plan isn't rock-solid, don't do it, or do a trade. --- CE's resident Smash Player \|\| https://i.ibb.co/2vRbyC0/Rosa-6.png "Friends don't let friends watch The Big Bang Theory" - mogar002 <cite>Cemith posted [p:956339629] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>It's indicative of a larger problem, but if your college plan isn't rock-solid, don't do it, or do a trade. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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