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Njolk 07/21/21 5:55:55 PM #51:	I have a degree in wildlife biology I could have EASILY learned it all from Wikipedia --- Suffering is expecting things to last forever <cite>Njolk posted [p:956326950] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>I have a degree in wildlife biology I could have EASILY learned it all from Wikipedia </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
limp-bizkit-89 07/21/21 6:02:27 PM #52:	Njolk posted... I have a degree in wildlife biology I could have EASILY learned it all from Wikipedia do you ever come across anything in your job that makes you think you couldnt have done it without your degree? --- Keep Rollin Rollin Rollin (yeah!) <cite>limp-bizkit-89 posted [p:956327132] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>Njolk posted... </cite> <quote>I have a degree in wildlife biology I could have EASILY learned it all from Wikipedia</quote> do you ever come across anything in your job that makes you think you couldnt have done it without your degree? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ExtremeLuchador 07/21/21 6:03:53 PM #53:	People with degrees on average have more lifetime earnings. --- "It was horrible," guard Jeff McInnis said. "I took 100 naps and we were still in the air." <cite>ExtremeLuchador posted [p:956327169] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>People with degrees on average have more lifetime earnings. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TrollTrace 07/21/21 6:18:36 PM #54:	ExtremeLuchador posted... People with degrees on average have more lifetime earnings. That is based on data from an era with no internet. Nowadays the academic system is basically an expensive 4 to 5 year vacation with the false promise of getting a good career afterwards. I have heard stories of guys with STEM degrees being unable to find work so even that is a load of crap. It's better to just find a good 2 year degree program at a community college or a certification course for whatever job you are trying to get. Costs less, takes less time and you have the same chances of landing a job. There is a reason why a whole bunch of class action lawsuits have been filed against higher education institutions. 4 year+ education institutions are scams, the first 2 years for example are gen eds which everyone who goes to college did in high school. They simply cannot teach further than 2 to 3 years out in specific major related education because the fields evolve so rapidly now. <cite>TrollTrace posted [p:956327648] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>ExtremeLuchador posted... </cite> <quote>People with degrees on average have more lifetime earnings.</quote> That is based on data from an era with no internet. Nowadays the academic system is basically an expensive 4 to 5 year vacation with the false promise of getting a good career afterwards. I have heard stories of guys with STEM degrees being unable to find work so even that is a load of crap. It's better to just find a good 2 year degree program at a community college or a certification course for whatever job you are trying to get. Costs less, takes less time and you have the same chances of landing a job. There is a reason why a whole bunch of class action lawsuits have been filed against higher education institutions. 4 year+ education institutions are scams, the first 2 years for example are gen eds which everyone who goes to college did in high school. They simply cannot teach further than 2 to 3 years out in specific major related education because the fields evolve so rapidly now. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 07/21/21 6:19:46 PM #55:	I think it's important for people to broaden their horizons, learn new things, and generally become more well-rounded. That said, my degree didn't help me. At all. Honestly feels like it was a waste of time at this point. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:956327685] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>I think it's important for people to broaden their horizons, learn new things, and generally become more well-rounded. That said, my degree didn't help me. At all. Honestly feels like it was a waste of time at this point. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Payzmaykr 07/21/21 6:21:08 PM #56:	Pretty much --- So long, Thanks for all the fish! <cite>Payzmaykr posted [p:956327723] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>Pretty much </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 07/21/21 6:29:29 PM #57:	wow it's almost like you guys are pretending it's a scam to convince other people to pay for your shit or something <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:956327982] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>wow it's almost like you guys are pretending it's a scam to convince other people to pay for your shit or something </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ExtremeLuchador 07/21/21 6:40:52 PM #58:	Community college equals changing bedpans for $11 per hour. --- "It was horrible," guard Jeff McInnis said. "I took 100 naps and we were still in the air." <cite>ExtremeLuchador posted [p:956328336] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>Community college equals changing bedpans for $11 per hour. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UT1999 07/21/21 6:44:58 PM #59:	ExtremeLuchador posted... Community college equals changing bedpans for $11 per hour. what are you talking about? you don't think it's better than a h.s. diploma? --- "Sometimes they even attack wounded foxes" <cite>UT1999 posted [p:956328459] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>ExtremeLuchador posted... </cite> <quote>Community college equals changing bedpans for $11 per hour.</quote>what are you talking about? you don't think it's better than a h.s. diploma? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Njolk 07/21/21 6:46:00 PM #60:	limp-bizkit-89 posted... do you ever come across anything in your job that makes you think you couldnt have done it without your degree? After 10 applications to low level biology jobs saying I needed a masters to make $11/hr, I went into a different field So for me college was a scam --- Suffering is expecting things to last forever <cite>Njolk posted [p:956328496] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>limp-bizkit-89 posted... </cite> <quote>do you ever come across anything in your job that makes you think you couldnt have done it without your degree?</quote> After 10 applications to low level biology jobs saying I needed a masters to make $11/hr, I went into a different field So for me college was a scam </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Makeveli_lives 07/21/21 6:47:39 PM #61:	ExtremeLuchador posted... Community college equals changing bedpans for $11 per hour. No you get the basic education for cheap then pay the big bucks to finish and save tens of thousands in student loans. Unless your ivy league no one actually gives a fuck where you went to college. People print degrees online and get a job because that's how little follow up there is. --- Switch FC: SW-3917-4425-6106 PSN: PiKappaPhi769 <cite>Makeveli_lives posted [p:956328541] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>ExtremeLuchador posted... </cite> <quote>Community college equals changing bedpans for $11 per hour.</quote>No you get the basic education for cheap then pay the big bucks to finish and save tens of thousands in student loans. Unless your ivy league no one actually gives a fuck where you went to college. People print degrees online and get a job because that's how little follow up there is. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 07/21/21 7:08:34 PM #62:	Njolk posted... After 10 applications to low level biology jobs saying I needed a masters to make $11/hr, I went into a different field So for me college was a scam What field did you pivot into? <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:956329134] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>Njolk posted... </cite> <quote>After 10 applications to low level biology jobs saying I needed a masters to make $11/hr, I went into a different field So for me college was a scam</quote>What field did you pivot into? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Derwood 07/21/21 7:52:56 PM #63:	What "skills" do people expect college to teach them? Why do people think that a college degree should = guaranteed employment? Maybe you didn't get a job because you are lazy, unqualified, or entitled? <cite>Derwood posted [p:956330465] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>What "skills" do people expect college to teach them? Why do people think that a college degree should = guaranteed employment? Maybe you didn't get a job because you are lazy, unqualified, or entitled? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Background_Guy 07/21/21 7:53:25 PM #64:	Broseph_Stalin posted... wow it's almost like you guys are pretending it's a scam to convince other people to pay for your shit or something Nobody goes into a CE thread wanting their opinions to be affected by reality. Get out of here. <cite>Background_Guy posted [p:956330476] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted... <quote>wow it's almost like you guys are pretending it's a scam to convince other people to pay for your shit or something </quote>Nobody goes into a CE thread wanting their opinions to be affected by reality. Get out of here. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Background_Guy 07/21/21 7:55:29 PM #65:	All this topic proves is that people only see education as a means to make more money at a crushing 9 to 5 job. Capitalism is a scam. <cite>Background_Guy posted [p:956330548] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>All this topic proves is that people only see education as a means to make more money at a crushing 9 to 5 job. Capitalism is a scam. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Derwood 07/21/21 7:56:30 PM #66:	Background_Guy posted... All this topic proves is that people only see education as a means to make more money at a crushing 9 to 5 job. Capitalism is a scam. And see no value in being broadly educated <cite>Derwood posted [p:956330578] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>Background_Guy posted... </cite> <quote>All this topic proves is that people only see education as a means to make more money at a crushing 9 to 5 job. Capitalism is a scam.</quote> And see no value in being broadly educated </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Background_Guy 07/21/21 7:58:35 PM #67:	Derwood posted... And see no value in being broadly educated There's a guy ITT upset about being forced to learn about history and literature instead of just being thrown out onto the assembly line. I mean, Jesus. Do you view yourself as a machine that only exists to make some corporation more money? <cite>Background_Guy posted [p:956330631] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>Derwood posted... </cite> <quote>And see no value in being broadly educated</quote>There's a guy ITT upset about being forced to learn about history and literature instead of just being thrown out onto the assembly line. I mean, Jesus. Do you view yourself as a machine that only exists to make some corporation more money? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 07/21/21 7:59:44 PM #68:	Background_Guy posted... Capitalism is a scam. Everything that makes us wealthier is a scam ITT <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:956330657] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>Background_Guy posted... </cite> <quote>Capitalism is a scam.</quote> Everything that makes us wealthier is a scam ITT </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 07/21/21 8:04:55 PM #69:	Derwood posted... What "skills" do people expect college to teach them? Why do people think that a college degree should = guaranteed employment? Maybe you didn't get a job because you are lazy, unqualified, or entitled? You do know that an entire generation was told, for their entire lives, that they HAD to go to college or they would be a "worthless burger flipper" for the rest of their lives? And that they were repeatedly told that it didn't matter what their degree was in; it just mattered that they had one. I went to public school from 1997-2010 and I heard that from every adult in my life that entire time. I was constantly told I would be a failure if I didn't go to college and get a degree. And I made the "official" decision to attend when I was seventeen. And before you chime in with some cute, "Shouldn't have majored in underwater feminine studies," quip, know that I have one of those coveted STEM degrees. I graduated with high honors. I had a minor with extremely practical applications that should have allowed me to have a wide range of jobs I could do. I couldn't find SHIT after graduation. Sure, there were plenty of shitty lab jobs that paid $11/hr, but that's not a living wage. I constantly got filtered out by shitty algorithms before a human would ever look at my resume (even after copy pasting keywords and phrases and having a specialist completely rewrite my resume). The job market my generation was promised DOES NOT EXIST anymore and we feel justifiably ripped off. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:956330825] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>Derwood posted... </cite> <quote>What "skills" do people expect college to teach them? Why do people think that a college degree should = guaranteed employment? Maybe you didn't get a job because you are lazy, unqualified, or entitled?</quote>You do know that an entire generation was told, for their entire lives, that they HAD to go to college or they would be a "worthless burger flipper" for the rest of their lives? And that they were repeatedly told that it didn't matter what their degree was in; it just mattered that they had one. I went to public school from 1997-2010 and I heard that from every adult in my life that entire time. I was constantly told I would be a failure if I didn't go to college and get a degree. And I made the "official" decision to attend when I was seventeen. And before you chime in with some cute, "Shouldn't have majored in underwater feminine studies," quip, know that I have one of those coveted STEM degrees. I graduated with high honors. I had a minor with extremely practical applications that should have allowed me to have a wide range of jobs I could do. I couldn't find SHIT after graduation. Sure, there were plenty of shitty lab jobs that paid $11/hr, but that's not a living wage. I constantly got filtered out by shitty algorithms before a human would ever look at my resume (even after copy pasting keywords and phrases and having a specialist completely rewrite my resume). The job market my generation was promised DOES NOT EXIST anymore and we feel justifiably ripped off. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Background_Guy 07/21/21 8:04:59 PM #70:	It's almost like college should be free <cite>Background_Guy posted [p:956330828] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>It's almost like college should be free </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 07/21/21 8:06:40 PM #71:	Background_Guy posted... It's almost like college should be free If you want to make it more exclusive, sure. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:956330879] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>Background_Guy posted... </cite> <quote>It's almost like college should be free</quote> If you want to make it more exclusive, sure. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gwynevere 07/21/21 8:07:33 PM #72:	College as a concept? No. The way it's ran in America? Absolutely. It's pretty fucking embarrassing compared to a lot of our European counterparts. --- A hunter is a hunter...even in a dream <cite>Gwynevere posted [p:956330910] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>College as a concept? No. The way it's ran in America? Absolutely. It's pretty fucking embarrassing compared to a lot of our European counterparts. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_SilverX 07/21/21 8:08:22 PM #73:	D. Just imagine the loan is a ticket for Bezos trip into the air --- It's only hyperinflation when $ go to the people don't compare games to feces -- if you've an opinion worth mentioning, do so civilly <cite>Dark_SilverX posted [p:956330929] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>D. Just imagine the loan is a ticket for Bezos trip into the air </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ElatedVenusaur 07/21/21 8:12:02 PM #74:	Derwood posted... And see no value in being broadly educated Yeah, that used to be the purpose of college: to educate the children of the ruling class into cultured, well-rounded individuals. As capitalism rose and became hegemonic, it demanded more and more specialized workers, and one way to ensure those workers possessed the basic knowledge to do a given skilled job was by requiring them to have a degree. ~~How successful this is is open to debate.~~ However, even as advanced and all-encompassing as capitalism has become, it has largely failed to replace the idea that a universitys primary purpose is to educate, not just to prepare students for future employment. And, IMO, thats great, and it will be a sad day if universities convert en-masse into glorified job training programs. Oh, and student loans are fantastic for capital, and not just because its a source of easy interest: being heavily indebted makes people desperate for any income. The larger and more desperate the labor pool for a given job is, the less expensive your labor costs. And that is all we are in Capitals ledger: labor cost. --- She/her <cite>ElatedVenusaur posted [p:956331029] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>Derwood posted... </cite> <quote>And see no value in being broadly educated</quote>Yeah, that used to be the purpose of college: to educate the children of the ruling class into cultured, well-rounded individuals. As capitalism rose and became hegemonic, it demanded more and more specialized workers, and one way to ensure those workers possessed the basic knowledge to do a given skilled job was by requiring them to have a degree. How successful this is is open to debate. However, even as advanced and all-encompassing as capitalism has become, it has largely failed to replace the idea that a universitys primary purpose is to educate, not just to prepare students for future employment. And, IMO, thats great, and it will be a sad day if universities convert en-masse into glorified job training programs. Oh, and student loans are fantastic for capital, and not just because its a source of easy interest: being heavily indebted makes people desperate for any income. The larger and more desperate the labor pool for a given job is, the less expensive your labor costs. And that is all we are in Capitals ledger: labor cost. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Derwood 07/21/21 8:16:07 PM #75:	_Rinku_ posted... You do know that an entire generation was told, for their entire lives, that they HAD to go to college or they would be a "worthless burger flipper" for the rest of their lives? And that they were repeatedly told that it didn't matter what their degree was in; it just mattered that they had one. I went to public school from 1997-2010 and I heard that from every adult in my life that entire time. I was constantly told I would be a failure if I didn't go to college and get a degree. And I made the "official" decision to attend when I was seventeen. And before you chime in with some cute, "Shouldn't have majored in underwater feminine studies," quip, know that I have one of those coveted STEM degrees. I graduated with high honors. I had a minor with extremely practical applications that should have allowed me to have a wide range of jobs I could do. I couldn't find SHIT after graduation. Sure, there were plenty of shitty lab jobs that paid $11/hr, but that's not a living wage. I constantly got filtered out by shitty algorithms before a human would ever look at my resume (even after copy pasting keywords and phrases and having a specialist completely rewrite my resume). The job market my generation was promised DOES NOT EXIST anymore and we feel justifiably ripped off. I'm not one of the "nothing but STEM is useful" posters here. Quite the opposite. I am a college professor who teaches in the arts and humanities. <cite>Derwood posted [p:956331148] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>_Rinku_ posted... </cite> <quote>You do know that an entire generation was told, for their entire lives, that they HAD to go to college or they would be a "worthless burger flipper" for the rest of their lives? And that they were repeatedly told that it didn't matter what their degree was in; it just mattered that they had one. I went to public school from 1997-2010 and I heard that from every adult in my life that entire time. I was constantly told I would be a failure if I didn't go to college and get a degree. And I made the "official" decision to attend when I was seventeen. And before you chime in with some cute, "Shouldn't have majored in underwater feminine studies," quip, know that I have one of those coveted STEM degrees. I graduated with high honors. I had a minor with extremely practical applications that should have allowed me to have a wide range of jobs I could do. I couldn't find SHIT after graduation. Sure, there were plenty of shitty lab jobs that paid $11/hr, but that's not a living wage. I constantly got filtered out by shitty algorithms before a human would ever look at my resume (even after copy pasting keywords and phrases and having a specialist completely rewrite my resume). The job market my generation was promised DOES NOT EXIST anymore and we feel justifiably ripped off.</quote> I'm not one of the "nothing but STEM is useful" posters here. Quite the opposite. I am a college professor who teaches in the arts and humanities. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheAnthraxBunny 07/21/21 8:53:41 PM #76:	Mostly yes, but still worth it if you're going into a high-paying field that requires a degree and you are 100% sure that you are passionate about the field. --- Yes, it is against the terms of service. Do not use the boards to set up orgies. -Alucard188 <cite>TheAnthraxBunny posted [p:956332250] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>Mostly yes, but still worth it if you're going into a high-paying field that requires a degree and you are 100% sure that you are passionate about the field. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Steelix500 07/21/21 8:54:19 PM #77:	C I know people without degrees are doing really good out there Like someone else said just get a 2yr degree if anything from a community college and call it a day <cite>Steelix500 posted [p:956332276] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>C I know people without degrees are doing really good out there Like someone else said just get a 2yr degree if anything from a community college and call it a day </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KILBOTz 07/21/21 8:56:35 PM #78:	I think community colleges are amazing and need to be expanded. In Washington, students at UW get 2-2.5X the funding per student as students at community colleges. If each student was appropriated as much as UW, everyone could got to community college free. I think "the college experience" is a scam. I think NCAA athletics is a scam. I think bloated administrative and support staff are unnecessary. I think colleges need to be willing to fail students so their degrees mean something. I think colleges and universities need to focus more on core curriculum and critical skills and less on the idea of the traditional liberal arts education. --- https://imgur.com/O3syCWD https://imgur.com/k3YiBdG <cite>KILBOTz posted [p:956332351] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>I think community colleges are amazing and need to be expanded. In Washington, students at UW get 2-2.5X the funding per student as students at community colleges. If each student was appropriated as much as UW, everyone could got to community college free. I think "the college experience" is a scam. I think NCAA athletics is a scam. I think bloated administrative and support staff are unnecessary. I think colleges need to be willing to fail students so their degrees mean something. I think colleges and universities need to focus more on core curriculum and critical skills and less on the idea of the traditional liberal arts education. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KILBOTz 07/21/21 9:03:26 PM #79:	Derwood posted... What "skills" do people expect college to teach them? I don't want anyone to graduate with a business degree unless they are competent in excel. How to create a good power point and give professional presentations. And at least some experience public speaking while in school. Learning how to write a memo, basic email rules and etiquette. Basically a business correspondence class. Anyone who is going to work in an office should take at least 1 class in HR basics, even if only 1 credit. --- https://imgur.com/O3syCWD https://imgur.com/k3YiBdG <cite>KILBOTz posted [p:956332554] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>Derwood posted... </cite> <quote>What "skills" do people expect college to teach them?</quote> I don't want anyone to graduate with a business degree unless they are competent in excel. How to create a good power point and give professional presentations. And at least some experience public speaking while in school. Learning how to write a memo, basic email rules and etiquette. Basically a business correspondence class. Anyone who is going to work in an office should take at least 1 class in HR basics, even if only 1 credit. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ProbesInRobes 07/21/21 9:22:44 PM #80:	Deny. A degree is a ticket to a successful future. Without one, you're doomed to a lifetime of being a wage slave, performing manual labor, and being passed over for promotion. Society will view you as ignorant, uneducated, blue collar trash. <cite>ProbesInRobes posted [p:956333184] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>Deny. A degree is a ticket to a successful future. Without one, you're doomed to a lifetime of being a wage slave, performing manual labor, and being passed over for promotion. Society will view you as ignorant, uneducated, blue collar trash. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
deanshow 07/21/21 9:23:34 PM #81:	College is how you make it. I know people that made connections in college and got good jobs from internships and such --- Will not change this sig until Tommy Wiseau wins an Oscar (Started 12-21-2014) <cite>deanshow posted [p:956333204] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>College is how you make it. I know people that made connections in college and got good jobs from internships and such </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MajesticFerret 07/21/21 9:23:34 PM #82:	If you get a degree in STEM or Law, no, literally everything else is a rip off and you have a high probability you won't get a return on your investment. --- Sanity is a one trick pony, all you get with it is rational thought, but with crazy the sky's the limit. <cite>MajesticFerret posted [p:956333205] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>If you get a degree in STEM or Law, no, literally everything else is a rip off and you have a high probability you won't get a return on your investment. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheAnthraxBunny 07/21/21 9:27:02 PM #83:	ProbesInRobes posted... Deny. A degree is a ticket to a successful future. Without one, you're doomed to a lifetime of being a wage slave, performing manual labor, and being passed over for promotion. Society will view you as ignorant, uneducated, blue collar trash. I wouldnt go that far with it, but I do believe that people tend to glamorize the blue-collar life a bit too much. --- Yes, it is against the terms of service. Do not use the boards to set up orgies. -Alucard188 <cite>TheAnthraxBunny posted [p:956333314] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>ProbesInRobes posted... </cite> <quote>Deny. A degree is a ticket to a successful future. Without one, you're doomed to a lifetime of being a wage slave, performing manual labor, and being passed over for promotion. Society will view you as ignorant, uneducated, blue collar trash.</quote>I wouldnt go that far with it, but I do believe that people tend to glamorize the blue-collar life a bit too much. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Njolk 07/21/21 9:30:49 PM #84:	_Rinku_ posted... What field did you pivot into? Emergency medicine --- Suffering is expecting things to last forever <cite>Njolk posted [p:956333428] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>_Rinku_ posted... </cite> <quote>What field did you pivot into?</quote> Emergency medicine </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Proto_Spark 07/21/21 9:32:12 PM #85:	MajesticFerret posted... If you get a degree in STEM or Law, no, literally everything else is a rip off and you have a high probability you won't get a return on your investment. STEM and Law don't have nearly the return that people think they do. Most lawyers aren't actually the big time lawyers that make the big bucks, and aren't getting much more considering they'll be an extra 100K in debt. Add in a bunch of law grads don't even go into law, its often not a worthwhile investment. I know where I live, there's a huge glut in engineers, which means that isn't gonna pay the biggest bucks, and having a bachelors in most sciences will only make you qualified enough to be a lab monkey for basically minimum wage. If you want to do science and get paid, you need at least a masters. <cite>Proto_Spark posted [p:956333476] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>MajesticFerret posted... </cite> <quote>If you get a degree in STEM or Law, no, literally everything else is a rip off and you have a high probability you won't get a return on your investment.</quote> STEM and Law don't have nearly the return that people think they do. Most lawyers aren't actually the big time lawyers that make the big bucks, and aren't getting much more considering they'll be an extra 100K in debt. Add in a bunch of law grads don't even go into law, its often not a worthwhile investment. I know where I live, there's a huge glut in engineers, which means that isn't gonna pay the biggest bucks, and having a bachelors in most sciences will only make you qualified enough to be a lab monkey for basically minimum wage. If you want to do science and get paid, you need at least a masters. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Derwood 07/21/21 9:33:16 PM #86:	KILBOTz posted... I don't want anyone to graduate with a business degree unless they are competent in excel. How to create a good power point and give professional presentations. And at least some experience public speaking while in school. Learning how to write a memo, basic email rules and etiquette. Basically a business correspondence class. Anyone who is going to work in an office should take at least 1 class in HR basics, even if only 1 credit. That's (partly) what the general education curriculum should do. My school requires all students to take courses in written and oral communication (for example). <cite>Derwood posted [p:956333511] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>KILBOTz posted... </cite> <quote>I don't want anyone to graduate with a business degree unless they are competent in excel. How to create a good power point and give professional presentations. And at least some experience public speaking while in school. Learning how to write a memo, basic email rules and etiquette. Basically a business correspondence class. Anyone who is going to work in an office should take at least 1 class in HR basics, even if only 1 credit.</quote> That's (partly) what the general education curriculum should do. My school requires all students to take courses in written and oral communication (for example). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
limp-bizkit-89 07/21/21 9:34:56 PM #87:	Derwood posted... What "skills" do people expect college to teach them? Why do people think that a college degree should = guaranteed employment? Maybe you didn't get a job because you are lazy, unqualified, or entitled? what skills? What is needed to perform at a real job, not academia. and its not people who tied a college education to jobs, it was employers and schools themselves and who says that whoever you were replying to here didnt get a job? --- Keep Rollin Rollin Rollin (yeah!) <cite>limp-bizkit-89 posted [p:956333568] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>Derwood posted... </cite> <quote>What "skills" do people expect college to teach them? Why do people think that a college degree should = guaranteed employment? Maybe you didn't get a job because you are lazy, unqualified, or entitled?</quote> what skills? What is needed to perform at a real job, not academia. and its not people who tied a college education to jobs, it was employers and schools themselves and who says that whoever you were replying to here didnt get a job? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 07/21/21 9:36:23 PM #88:	Njolk posted... Emergency medicine I've been looking for things to move into because I don't want to slave away in a lab for the rest of my life. Proto_Spark posted... STEM and Law don't have nearly the return that people think they do. Most lawyers aren't actually the big time lawyers that make the big bucks, and aren't getting much more considering they'll be an extra 100K in debt. Add in a bunch of law grads don't even go into law, its often not a worthwhile investment. I know where I live, there's a huge glut in engineers, which means that isn't gonna pay the biggest bucks, and having a bachelors in most sciences will only make you qualified enough to be a lab monkey for basically minimum wage. If you want to do science and get paid, you need at least a masters. I used to work for a lawyer and he heavily discouraged me from going into law (as I originally wanted) for basically that reason. Getting a Master's doesn't help that much either. I had a friend in college who was extremely smart. Majored in Cellular & Molecular Biology. Got a Master's while on a PhD track. They ended up hating it so much that they dropped out and then couldn't get any job other than retail. They're doing better now, but it's not at all related to their degree. Also, yeah, it's my experience that a Bachelor's qualifies you to work at MAYBE $11/hr in a filthy lab where you might be processing literal sewage. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:956333613] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>Njolk posted... </cite> <quote>Emergency medicine</quote>I've been looking for things to move into because I don't want to slave away in a lab for the rest of my life. Proto_Spark posted... </cite> <quote>STEM and Law don't have nearly the return that people think they do. Most lawyers aren't actually the big time lawyers that make the big bucks, and aren't getting much more considering they'll be an extra 100K in debt. Add in a bunch of law grads don't even go into law, its often not a worthwhile investment. I know where I live, there's a huge glut in engineers, which means that isn't gonna pay the biggest bucks, and having a bachelors in most sciences will only make you qualified enough to be a lab monkey for basically minimum wage. If you want to do science and get paid, you need at least a masters.</quote>I used to work for a lawyer and he heavily discouraged me from going into law (as I originally wanted) for basically that reason. Getting a Master's doesn't help that much either. I had a friend in college who was extremely smart. Majored in Cellular & Molecular Biology. Got a Master's while on a PhD track. They ended up hating it so much that they dropped out and then couldn't get any job other than retail. They're doing better now, but it's not at all related to their degree. Also, yeah, it's my experience that a Bachelor's qualifies you to work at MAYBE $11/hr in a filthy lab where you might be processing literal sewage. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Venger2112 07/21/21 9:37:30 PM #89:	Absolutely. Most things are run by corrupt rich fucks, school is no exception --- "The general population doesn't know what's happening, and it doesn't even know that it doesn't know" - Noam Chomsky <cite>Venger2112 posted [p:956333652] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>Absolutely. Most things are run by corrupt rich fucks, school is no exception </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 07/21/21 9:38:32 PM #90:	In that not every damn career should require a degree yes I feel its a scam. A lot of things can be taught efficiently enough with on the job training. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:956333684] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>In that not every damn career should require a degree yes I feel its a scam. A lot of things can be taught efficiently enough with on the job training. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 07/21/21 9:38:40 PM #91:	limp-bizkit-89 posted... what skills? What is needed to perform at a real job, not academia What exactly do you think people in academia do? --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:956333691] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>limp-bizkit-89 posted... </cite> <quote>what skills? What is needed to perform at a real job, not academia</quote> What exactly do you think people in academia do? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Njolk 07/21/21 9:41:15 PM #92:	_Rinku_ posted... I've been looking for things to move into because I don't want to slave away in a lab for the rest of my life. Firefighters work 2 days on/ 4 days off Nurses work 3 12s, 4 day weekends I'm now in mountain rescue and I pretty much make my own schedule, I work 4 day weeks and take 2-3 months off a year So much more rewarding to work with your hands helping people, imo --- Suffering is expecting things to last forever <cite>Njolk posted [p:956333758] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>_Rinku_ posted... </cite> <quote>I've been looking for things to move into because I don't want to slave away in a lab for the rest of my life.</quote> Firefighters work 2 days on/ 4 days off Nurses work 3 12s, 4 day weekends I'm now in mountain rescue and I pretty much make my own schedule, I work 4 day weeks and take 2-3 months off a year So much more rewarding to work with your hands helping people, imo </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 07/21/21 9:42:18 PM #93:	Njolk posted... Firefighters work 2 days on/ 4 days off Nurses work 3 12s, 4 day weekends I'm now in mountain rescue and I pretty much make my own schedule, I work 4 day weeks and take 2-3 months off a year So much more rewarding to work with your hands helping people, imo My mom's a nurse and those 3 12s start to really wear on you. She took a different a job paying less, but with 8 hour shifts because it was killing her. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:956333788] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>Njolk posted... </cite> <quote>Firefighters work 2 days on/ 4 days off Nurses work 3 12s, 4 day weekends I'm now in mountain rescue and I pretty much make my own schedule, I work 4 day weeks and take 2-3 months off a year So much more rewarding to work with your hands helping people, imo</quote>My mom's a nurse and those 3 12s start to really wear on you. She took a different a job paying less, but with 8 hour shifts because it was killing her. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
rexcrk 07/21/21 9:43:57 PM #94:	In certain ways, absolutely. --- Bah weep grannah weep ni ni bon <cite>rexcrk posted [p:956333844] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>In certain ways, absolutely. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sansoldier 07/21/21 9:44:16 PM #95:	It's definitely important to have, but it's a ripoff. It doesn't really teach you much. It moreso points you in the direction to teach yourself while getting blasted with busywork. --- http://www.youtube.com/user/san3711 <cite>Sansoldier posted [p:956333862] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>It's definitely important to have, but it's a ripoff. It doesn't really teach you much. It moreso points you in the direction to teach yourself while getting blasted with busywork. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Njolk 07/21/21 9:46:02 PM #96:	_Rinku_ posted... My mom's a nurse and those 3 12s start to really wear on you. She took a different a job paying less, but with 8 hour shifts because it was killing her. Huh haven't heard that, my friends are travel nurses and they make 80-90k and can choose where and when they work. Seemed pretty ideal --- Suffering is expecting things to last forever <cite>Njolk posted [p:956333912] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>_Rinku_ posted... </cite> <quote>My mom's a nurse and those 3 12s start to really wear on you. She took a different a job paying less, but with 8 hour shifts because it was killing her.</quote> Huh haven't heard that, my friends are travel nurses and they make 80-90k and can choose where and when they work. Seemed pretty ideal </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 07/21/21 9:47:45 PM #97:	Njolk posted... Huh haven't heard that, my friends are travel nurses and they make 80-90k and can choose where and when they work. Seemed pretty ideal She gets recruiters calling her all the time for travel nursing, but she's a real homebody. Seems really lucrative, but I can't imagine being away from "home" that often. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:956333958] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>Njolk posted... </cite> <quote>Huh haven't heard that, my friends are travel nurses and they make 80-90k and can choose where and when they work. Seemed pretty ideal</quote>She gets recruiters calling her all the time for travel nursing, but she's a real homebody. Seems really lucrative, but I can't imagine being away from "home" that often. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MajesticFerret 07/21/21 9:52:26 PM #98:	I have Engineer friends who got good grades and were broke out of college and other engineers who got bad grades but are now making bank (100k+, which is say is reasonably lucrative) as an engineer. What was the difference? Compromising on field and location. The guys who succeeded as engineers, even with a mediocre graduating GPA, were willing to go to locations that weren't optimal in fields that many might find boring (oil/gas, manufacturing, etc). Basically working for large corporations or in some cases bring an Engineer for the government. The ones with good grades but were underpaid work for some small business in the town they graduated from or were unwilling to travel too far or compromise on where they were willing to move to get their career off the ground. And once you have about 5-10 yrs of experience, THEN you can be much pickier where you live as you are in far greater demand. --- Sanity is a one trick pony, all you get with it is rational thought, but with crazy the sky's the limit. <cite>MajesticFerret posted [p:956334090] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>I have Engineer friends who got good grades and were broke out of college and other engineers who got bad grades but are now making bank (100k+, which is say is reasonably lucrative) as an engineer. What was the difference? Compromising on field and location. The guys who succeeded as engineers, even with a mediocre graduating GPA, were willing to go to locations that weren't optimal in fields that many might find boring (oil/gas, manufacturing, etc). Basically working for large corporations or in some cases bring an Engineer for the government. The ones with good grades but were underpaid work for some small business in the town they graduated from or were unwilling to travel too far or compromise on where they were willing to move to get their career off the ground. And once you have about 5-10 yrs of experience, THEN you can be much pickier where you live as you are in far greater demand. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
rexcrk 07/21/21 9:52:40 PM #99:	Njolk posted... Firefighters work 2 days on/ 4 days off Nurses work 3 12s, 4 day weekends I'm now in mountain rescue and I pretty much make my own schedule, I work 4 day weeks and take 2-3 months off a year So much more rewarding to work with your hands helping people, imo I just wish that I hadnt worn myself out doing retail for almost fifteen years --- Bah weep grannah weep ni ni bon <cite>rexcrk posted [p:956334096] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>Njolk posted... </cite> <quote>Firefighters work 2 days on/ 4 days off Nurses work 3 12s, 4 day weekends I'm now in mountain rescue and I pretty much make my own schedule, I work 4 day weeks and take 2-3 months off a year So much more rewarding to work with your hands helping people, imo</quote>I just wish that I hadnt worn myself out doing retail for almost fifteen years </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Sonic 07/21/21 9:53:22 PM #100:	If nothing else it can give you quality connections, especially if you pursue an internship. --- It is more important to use your anonymity to upset other people than it is to do anything productive. <cite>Solid Sonic posted [p:956334116] in C/D Colle... [t:79576112]...</cite> <quote>If nothing else it can give you quality connections, especially if you pursue an internship. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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