Current Events > Can someone explain to me how more crime and less police is a good thing?

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I'm legitimately interested in hearing about this.

Also looks like defunding doesn't even work, being as most cities who tried started "refunding" less than a year after defunding begin.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2021-05-27/the-politics-of-policing

Also can we please stop letting white people speak on behalf of black people. Contrary to the weird white twitter warriors, us black people mostly like the police.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/316571/black-americans-police-retain-local-presence.aspx


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but more crime and less police means we're all the closer to living in a real life dystopian crpg...

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viewmaster_pi posted...

but more crime and less police means we're all the closer to living in a real life dystopian crpg...

I wouldn't be surprised if people unironically wanted this at this point.

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the CHAZ or whatever was close

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Samurontai posted...

I wouldn't be surprised if people unironically wanted this at this point.

my personal opinion is that were not far enough along on cybernetics to have this future so we should have cops for like 3 more years then go full anarchy

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Shit needs to get worse before people accept revolution.

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This topic feels disingenuous. Blink twice if a police is making you make this topic.

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Samurontai posted...

Also looks like defunding doesn't even work, being as most cities who tried started "refunding" less than a year after defunding begin.

Defunding never even started so this is just proving it doesn't happen not that it doesn't work.

viewmaster_pi posted...

the CHAZ or whatever was close

I was trying to remember the name lol, thanks. Lasted less than a month.

shnangyboos posted...

Shit needs to get worse before people accept revolution.

You probably couldn't last walking to your local Walmart, let alone partaking in a war lol

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ButteryMales posted...

Defunding never even started so this is just proving it doesn't happen not that it doesn't work.

It definitely did in a lot of places

It just never lasted because it was stupid as fuck.

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Because most people are stupid and have no problem cutting their nose off to spite their face.

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Samurontai posted...

It definitely did in a lot of places

Citation needed.

Samurontai posted...

You probably couldn't last walking to your local Walmart, let alone partaking in a war lol

You took my comment wrong. Would you agree that life in the US needs to be far worse for revolution to seem valid?

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ButteryMales posted...

Citation needed.

Look at the first post in the topic? This tells me all I need to know about what kind of person you are btw lol. Just look at the topic title and nothing else.

Are you a conservative?

runewalshPSiv posted...

Because most people are stupid and have no problem cutting their nose off to spite their face.

TRUE

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Samurontai posted...

I'm legitimately interested in hearing about this.

Also looks like defunding doesn't even work, being as most cities who tried started "refunding" less than a year after defunding begin.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2021-05-27/the-politics-of-policing

Also can we please stop letting white people speak on behalf of black people. Contrary to the weird white twitter warriors, us black people mostly like the police.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/316571/black-americans-police-retain-local-presence.aspx

Well said. As I child growing up in the "hood", yes, the majority did in fact appreciate the police very much so, the only ones who didn't were the literal criminals.

You are speaking facts, TC, but be careful because the warriors here will accuse you of "race baiting".

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shnangyboos posted...

You took my comment wrong. Would you agree that life in the US needs to be far worse for revolution to seem valid?

I just assume most comments are against me itt, unless blatantly obviously not, so I apologize.

I don't think a revolution in America would plausibly happen, period, barring some astronomically insane event. But that's just my opinion.

So yes, it'd have to be way, way worse. Like government reimplementing slavery, or putting up child slave factories or something.

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LincolnDuncan posted...

This topic feels disingenuous. Blink twice if a police is making you make this topic.

2edgy

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metallica846 posted...

Dont feed this troll. Hes in there shitting up darkprinces topic already.

It's always the people that can never post anything substantial to actually argue against me that call me a troll. Crazy how that works.

Kobe Bryant posted...

Well said. As I child growing up in the "hood", yes, the majority did in fact appreciate the police very much so, the only ones who didn't were the literal criminals.

You are speaking facts, TC, but be careful because the warriors here will accuse you of "race baiting".

I grew up in western Louisville, so I know the feeling. Leaving there and moving to a smaller city with a better police presence was fantastic.

Also Idc if people say I'm race baiting, lol. If that's the only argument they an provide, then jokes on them anyway.

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There's absolutely no evidence that policing solves the root causes of crime. It's just a deterrence via the threat of violence, which doesn't actually reduce the overall violence in a neighborhood, it just puts it in the hands of police officers.

The problem is we live in a capitalist hellscape that funnels money out of certain areas instead of evenly distributing it, and it's well documented that crime and poverty are intricately linked. Instead of making wide sweeping difficult changes that eliminate the motivation for certain crimes, we just let police beat people to death to intimidate others into ideal behavior, or pack them into our already overcrowded prisons.

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I think violent crime is continually trending downwards and has for decades.

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People are brainwashed by the news thinking police are bloodthirsty murders.

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Samurontai posted...

Look at the first post in the topic? This tells me all I need to know about what kind of person you are btw lol. Just look at the topic title and nothing else.

Are you a conservative?

In Minneapolis, the epicenter of it all, the police department would be disbanded and reimagined. In New York City, $1 billion would be cut from the police budget. In Los Angeles $150 million would be taken from police and reallocated to social programs.

would
/wood,wd,()d/
verb
1. past of will, in various senses.
"he said he would be away for a couple of days"

2. (expressing the conditional mood) indicating the consequence of an imagined event or situation.
"he would lose his job if he were identified"

3. expressing a desire or inclination.
"I would love to work in Prague"

4. expressing a polite request.
"would you pour the wine, please?"

5. expressing a conjecture, opinion, or hope.
"I guess some people would consider it brutal"

6. used to make a comment about behavior that is typical.
"they would say that, wouldn't they?"

7. expressing a wish or regret.
"would that he had lived to finish it"

Gwynevere posted...

There's absolutely no evidence that policing solves the root causes of crime. It's just a deterrence via the threat of violence, which doesn't actually reduce the overall violence in a neighborhood, it just puts it in the hands of police officers.

I ignored the second half of your post because it's just cringe ancap stuff.

Anyway, you're just wrong. Like factually just incorrect. A police presence deters criminals, but that's one of the main reasons to have law enforcement. Also, in order to enforce the law, there are times where you need to apply some sort of violence. That's the entire point of "enforcing the law". If a criminal is doing criminal shit, he's not going to ask you to put him in handcuffs, or allow you to put him in handcuffs if you ask nicely (unless they surrender obviously, but I'm talking about someone in the middle of committing a crime/resisting arrest)


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ButteryMales posted...

In Minneapolis, the epicenter of it all, the police department would be disbanded and reimagined. In New York City, $1 billion would be cut from the police budget. In Los Angeles $150 million would be taken from police and reallocated to social programs.

would
/wood,wd,()d/
verb
1. past of will, in various senses.
"he said he would be away for a couple of days"

2. (expressing the conditional mood) indicating the consequence of an imagined event or situation.
"he would lose his job if he were identified"

3. expressing a desire or inclination.
"I would love to work in Prague"

4. expressing a polite request.
"would you pour the wine, please?"

5. expressing a conjecture, opinion, or hope.
"I guess some people would consider it brutal"

6. used to make a comment about behavior that is typical.
"they would say that, wouldn't they?"

7. expressing a wish or regret.
"would that he had lived to finish it"

Oh, so you just don't understand how legislation works then.

Why are even posting about anything political?

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Samurontai posted...

Oh, so you just don't understand how legislation works then.

How would me pointing out to you that legislation isn't instantaneous make you think such a thing?

Can someone explain to me how more crime and less police is a good thing?

If they haven't already, then they're not gonna.

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ButteryMales posted...

How would me pointing out to you that legislation isn't instantaneous make you think such a thing?

So you agree that they were indeed beginning to work towards that, but 180'd when they realized it was doing more harm than good?

Why even post?

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Vicious_Dios posted...

If they haven't already, then they're not gonna.

Also true. The only person who's arguing is @ButteryMales , but he can only grasp at semantics apparently.

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Vicious_Dios posted...

Can someone explain to me how more crime and less police is a good thing?

No police budgets or police employees have been cut. You can't blame something on something that hasn't happened.

ButteryMales posted...

No police budgets or police employees have been cut. You can't blame something on something that hasn't happened.

Why are you blatantly lying?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/cities-reverse-defunding-the-police-amid-rising-crime-11622066307

In New York City, Mayor Bill de Blasio said he would reinstate $92 million for a new precinct after scrapping the project last summer. The mayor of Baltimore, who led efforts as a city councilman to cut the police budget by $22 million last year, recently proposed a $27 million increase.

After attacks on Asian-Americans and a rise in homicides in Oakland, Calif., city lawmakers in April restored $3.3 million of the $29 million in police cuts, and the mayor is now proposing to increase the departments budget by $24 million. Los Angeless mayor has proposed an increase of about $50 million after the city cut $150 million from its police department last year.


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It means that well get more interesting rap music and less gentrification. Just kidding, its not a good thing

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"The communities can police themselves!"

Yeah maybe rich communities can, and even that's a stretch. The poorer communities would eat each other alive for resources, without police deterrence.

Police aren't perfect but we need them.

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Aaaand Im thinking this is where the whole
world comes down on their heads

I doubt anybody with 2 brain cells to rub together is arguing for less police. What they mean by defund the police is actually demolish the police organisation today, cut out the rot, rebuild from scratch.

DarkProto05 posted...

"The communities can police themselves!"

Yeah maybe rich communities can, and even that's a stretch. The poorer communities would eat each other alive for resources, without police deterrence.

Police aren't perfect but we need them.

I feel like most people arguing for defunding the police are privileged white suburban dudes.

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What we need is for everyone to be cops. That way crime completely disappears cause nothing we do will get us prosecuted anymore.

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Kloe_Rinz posted...

I doubt anybody with 2 brain cells to rub together is arguing for less police. What they mean by defund the police is actually demolish the police organisation today, cut out the rot, rebuild from scratch.

And what do we do in the meantime? Ask people to stop committing crimes for howver long it takes to get the "reformed police" back up?

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Lost_All_Senses posted...

What we need is for everyone to be cops. That way crime completely disappears cause nothing we do will get us prosecuted anymore.

Based

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Samurontai posted...

Also can we please stop letting white people speak on behalf of black people. Contrary to the weird white twitter warriors, us black people mostly like the police.

Yes please! And it seems to always suburban white people with a savior complex thinking any minority can't think for themselves and that all police are bad because they were ticketed for not wearing a bike helmet, it pisses me off.

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America needs to keep its nukes safe

More police = less crime.
That is why neighborhoods with a large police presence have no crime and neighborhoods that the police never go to are war zones!!!

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Samurontai posted...

I ignored the second half of your post because it's just cringe ancap stuff.

Actually it's ancom thank you very much

Seems like someone who would take a criticism of capitalism and call it ancap definitely came from a place with poorly allocated school funding though, a true shining example of the American education system

Samurontai posted...

Anyway, you're just wrong. Like factually just incorrect.

Nah.
https://madison.com/ct/news/local/govt-and-politics/activists-want-to-defund-how-do-other-countries-curb-police- excesses/article_363c1712-f8e7-52ce-85cf-394e786e35a1.html

We have pretty clear results from other countries that spend less on police, give them better training, and dont militarize them the same way the US does. For some reason though, those countries have less crime than the US.

Almost as if simply throwing more police at the problem without solving the societal issues that lead to crime doesn't actually help. But I'm sure if this topic was made with even the smallest amount of good faith, you might have considered that already.

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Id like better trained police and less people in jail for petty crimes like possession charges.


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Samurontai posted...

In New York City, Mayor Bill de Blasio said he would reinstate $92 million for a new precinct after scrapping the project last summer.

https://www.amny.com/news/protesters-demand-the-1b-defund-the-nypd-promise-be-kept/

"Activists say this action comes as a result of the local government, as of yet, failing to fulfill last years pledge to reallocate these funds.

The rally demanded that changes be made before the approval of the 2022 fiscal year budget on June 30.

Were here because we are the folks who have been talking about policing, and we are the folks whove been making changes around policing, which is less than we can say for Corey Johnson and the rest of our council, said Anthonine Pierre, deputy director of the Brooklyn Movement Center, adding, Even though we know Mayor de Blasio and Speak Corey Johnson said they were defunding the NYPD by $1 billion, we are going to see only a few hundred thousand dollars come out of the NYPD budget at the end of the day."

Gwynevere posted...

Actually it's ancom thank you very much

Seems like someone who would take a criticism of capitalism and call it ancap definitely came from a place with poorly allocated school funding though, a true shining example of the American education system

Nah.
https://madison.com/ct/news/local/govt-and-politics/activists-want-to-defund-how-do-other-countries-curb-police- excesses/article_363c1712-f8e7-52ce-85cf-394e786e35a1.html

We have pretty clear results from other countries that spend less on police, give them better training, and dont militarize them the same way the US does. For some reason though, those countries have less crime than the US.

Almost as if simply throwing more police at the problem without solving the societal issues that lead to crime doesn't actually help. But I'm sure if this topic was made with even the smallest amount of good faith, you might have considered that already.

Sorry I confused ancap with ancom because they're both dog shit takes. That's my bad.

Also you cannot compare the United States to other countries when it comes to basically anything, especially not the police lol.

Which country in Europe has more firearms than they do actually civilians, again?

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SSJPurple posted...

Id like better trained police and less people in jail for petty crimes like possession charges.

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I think police serve a purpose but need much better training and education. You can become a police officer without a degree which is absurd to me

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Most of these supposed cuts are just moving money around to different forms of policing such as mental health specialists (which is an improvement). But either way there's little evidence suggesting that more police means less crime. It's money better spent on improving schools or public transportation or providing healthcare. Things that actually improve people's material conditions, thus reducing crime in the long run.


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ButteryMales posted...

https://www.amny.com/news/protesters-demand-the-1b-defund-the-nypd-promise-be-kept/

"Activists say this action comes as a result of the local government, as of yet, failing to fulfill last years pledge to reallocate these funds.

The rally demanded that changes be made before the approval of the 2022 fiscal year budget on June 30.

Were here because we are the folks who have been talking about policing, and we are the folks whove been making changes around policing, which is less than we can say for Corey Johnson and the rest of our council, said Anthonine Pierre, deputy director of the Brooklyn Movement Center, adding, Even though we know Mayor de Blasio and Speak Corey Johnson said they were defunding the NYPD by $1 billion, we are going to see only a few hundred thousand dollars come out of the NYPD budget at the end of the day."

Those are talking about two completely different things. Do you even read what you post?

Since when does 92 million equal 1 billion?

In New York City, Mayor Bill de Blasio said he would reinstate $92 million for a new precinct after scrapping the project last summer. The mayor of Baltimore, who led efforts as a city councilman to cut the police budget by $22 million last year, recently proposed a $27 million increase.

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