Current Events > Can someone explain to me how more crime and less police is a good thing?

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Bye then.

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untouchable010 posted...

Degrees are good for the paperwork and computer side of the job. Getting out there and doing the job is different. Defunding isn't the answer.

the goal is abolition. reducing funding is a reasonable first step towards that goal.

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there is far too much disingenousness coming from people claiming to "just want to understand" in America.

they'll get an answer straight from the horse's mouth and proceed to attempt challenging it, lol. they'll keep doing that until they get an answer they agree with. it's never about understanding.
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averagejoel posted...

the goal is abolition. reducing funding is a reasonable first step towards that goal.

I honestly hope it happens. I know society will fail without it. Ill be happy to do something else if law enforcement goes away.

Social workers can take the mental illness calls that we get often. But it wont work. Because theyll need protection if the subject has a weapon. Theres plenty of calls I wish I had resources to call because the family doesnt know what to do. I need social workers on standby but it doesnt exist. It'd be nice to have available.

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metallica846 posted...

Whats the best route to fixing what seems like a broken system of police then?

How about paying settlements out of the pension fund and not letting the department investigate themselves just for starters.

Here in Alabama other agencies like the Alabama Bureau of Investigation, who is neutral, would take over an investigation into our department.

I dont think the system of police is broken. You have hundreds of thousands of incidents of police service in society each year. Most go unnoticed because the cop does his job and no one is shot and or the suspect is apprehended without incident. But the ones that end bad with opposite races involved, which arent many in the totality of calls to service, are blown up in the media and it makes you think all police in the country are a problem. Thats false. The media is playing you.

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smh
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untouchable010 posted...

I dont think the system of police is broken

The US has higher rates of police killings than any other first world country, citizens here have fewer rights when interacting with the police than other countries, and we just had one of the biggest mass protests in history over the system of policing in America.

You claim to be one of the good cops, but refuse to recognize what we have as the broken mess it is. Whether the goal is defunding, reform, total abolition, or some other idea, things need to change, or the next wave of protests is gonna put last year's to shame.

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Gwynevere posted...

The US has higher rates of police killings than any other first world country, citizens here have fewer rights when interacting with the police than other countries, and we just had one of the biggest mass protests in history over the system of policing in America.

You claim to be one of the good cops, but refuse to recognize what we have as the broken mess it is. Whether the goal is defunding, reform, total abolition, or some other idea, things need to change, or the next wave of protests is gonna put last year's to shame.

he's correct that it isn't broken -- it's functioning exactly as it was designed to. that's exactly the problem

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Gwynevere posted...

The US has higher rates of police killings than any other first world country, citizens here have fewer rights when interacting with the police than other countries, and we just had one of the biggest mass protests in history over the system of policing in America.

You claim to be one of the good cops, but refuse to recognize what we have as the broken mess it is. Whether the goal is defunding, reform, total abolition, or some other idea, things need to change, or the next wave of protests is gonna put last year's to shame.

I already told you the very small amount of incidents being protested doesnt represent the thousands of incidents police deal with the public that end well. You cant even correlate racism to these incidents but want to believe so.

The problem in this country is you shift all the blame on the police and define the suspect (who is resisting and fighting) as a victim. You put criminals on pedestals.

No cop I know and no good cop in general would defend Chauvins actions that day.

The next wave of protests are inevitable because people are played by the media when race had nothing to do with it and will continue to whine about nonexistent circumstances. You cant even prove Chauvin was racist. Just made a bad decision that day and race couldnt be correlated.

The country doesnt have a police problem. It has a problem with more people being armed with guns and criminals resisting arrest and putting themselves in a bad situation. Cops have a job to do. Just listen, dont physically fight us, give ID when necessary, and move along.

Even George Floyd would be alive today if he hadn't been tripping on powerful drugs and resisted getting in the back of the patrol car when arrested. They had to remove him from the car. You guys dont even understand.

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untouchable010 posted...

The problem in this country is you shift all the blame on the police and define the suspect (who is resisting and fighting) as a victim. You put criminals on pedestals.

No cop I know and no good cop in general would defend Chauvins actions that day.

The next wave of protests are inevitable because people are played by the media when race had nothing to do with it and will continue to whine about nonexistent circumstances. You cant even prove Chauvin was racist. Just made a bad decision that day and race couldnt be correlated.

I already told you the very small amount of incidents being protested is doesnt represent the thousands of incidents police deal with the public that end well. You cant even correlate racism to these incidents but want to believe so.

The country doesnt have a police problem. It has a problem with more people being armed with guns and criminals resisting arrest and putting themselves in a bad situation. Cops have a job to do. Just listen, dont physically fight us, give ID when necessary, and move along.

Even George Floyd would be alive today if he hadn't been tripping on powerful drugs and resisted getting in the back of the patrol car when arrested. They had to remove him from the car. You guys dont even understand.

damn you're going full mask-off here aren't you

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untouchable010 posted...

The country doesnt have a police problem. It has a problem with more people being armed with guns and criminals resisting arrest and putting themselves in a bad situation. Cops have a job to do. Just listen, dont physically fight us, give ID when necessary, and move along.

Explain this.

https://youtu.be/eRMYVFmEmx8

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darkprince45 posted...

the average police officer has a higher IQ than the normal citizen

Ive seen you bring this up a few times on this board, as if its an accomplishment if true. The normal citizen in the US is a blithering idiot, the average reading level in this country is 6th grade.

Trump supporters assuredly drag down the average IQ, and they are the ones who mostly support the police blindly. If you have a link to this IQ comparison, I would love to see it, its not like cops average 130 or something lol.

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https://www.police1.com/police-jobs-and-careers/articles/cop-iq-mm4tQlqvXInHppdW/

According to this article, the average IQ of American cops is 104, and cops get turned down for scoring too high on equivalent tests.

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untouchable010 posted...

If they keep hurting and taking away from police forces, then good cops like me are outta here. Attack us for doing our job correctly and still suing us isn't gonna keep good cops. Eliminating qualified immunity will eliminate good cops. If that goes away in my state, I'm out. Totality of the circumstances is everything in this job.

Lol, can you imagine someone saying this and thinking it makes them look good?

Like, 3/4 of Americans wouldnt have a large problem with police if clumsy pussies who bully civilians were reprimanded. Thats all people want.

Instead we have assholes constantly calling for backup because a black teenager is pulled over. Cops altering police reports to hide misdeeds. Sociopaths who pepper spray veterans instead of giving any legitimate reason for them to get out their cars. Losers who turn on sirens just to skip a red light.

And the problem isnt that this necessarily runs rampant. Its that they never get any real consequences.

A call center employee can lose their job for simply cursing. A doctor who commits malpractice loses their license.

Why the fuck are cops so against being like every other job ever and having standards?

People are doing raids on homes, and blind firing into an apartment complex, and its not treated as a massive issue. People just casually turn off body cams. Imagine if insurance companies or debt collection companies could just *turn off* call recordings.

You and the TC are clowns.

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Accountability and consequences need to absolutely be better implemented and consistent.

With that said anyone who advocates for complete abolishment of law enforcement are quite naive.

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shnangyboos posted...

Japan's system works, should we adopt it?

QueenCarly posted...

Japan's system 'works' because guilty is the default verdict

Considering his tag, I believe he's implying that the absence of Black people is what keeps Japan's crime rate low.

Fam_Fam posted...

people who use statistics to justify increasing/decreasing police presence, do realize that interaction between "crime statistics" and race is conflated with racial bias by the police, right?

They do. They don't care.
They know no one is going to challenge it.

it's a shame that so many people immigrated to America and adopted the rhetoric of White supremacist just to not be at the bottom of the totem pole.
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untouchable010 posted...

No cop I know and no good cop in general would defend Chauvins actions that day.

Well then I guess this:

untouchable010 posted...

Even George Floyd would be alive today if he hadn't been tripping on powerful drugs and resisted getting in the back of the patrol car when arrested.

Is your admission of not actually being a good cop then. George Floyd would be alive today if Chauvin wasn't a racist power tripping piece of shit.

You're not one of the good guys. You're an enemy of the people

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It would be cheaper to chip everyone and to implant cameras on our foreheads.

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Gwynevere posted...

Well then I guess this:

Is your admission of not actually being a good cop then. George Floyd would be alive today if Chauvin wasn't a racist power tripping piece of shit.

You're not one of the good guys. You're an enemy of the people

Wrong. The fault falls on both of them. Cop did wrong. But the cop wasnt looking for George Floyd, he was committing a crime and resisted arrest. Both share fault in the outcome. You cant even prove racism because theres no proof of it. Chauvin was wrong and deserved being charged.

But you and I both know if George Floyd had simply accepted being arrested and sat in the cop car and didnt cry and resist, having to be removed from the patrol car, hed be alive.

Nice try pookie.

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cuttin_in_farm posted...

Instead we have assholes constantly calling for backup because a black teenager is pulled over.

We back up on a lot of traffic stops whether its needed or not.

And the problem isnt that this necessarily runs rampant. Its that they never get any real consequences.

There are consequences.

A call center employee can lose their job for simply cursing. A doctor who commits malpractice loses their license.

Why the fuck are cops so against being like every other job ever and having standards?

Its not like any other job. We deal with alot youll never understand. We see death and bad traffic wrecks. And notify family of deaths. And take reports and speak to people that are victimized in the darkest days of their lives. We may see a dead person then immediately respond to some idiot complaining of trivial crap. We have to act normal. Its not a normal job.

People are doing raids on homes, and blind firing into an apartment complex, and its not treated as a massive issue.

They were being shot at. We can defend ourselves and shoot back.

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It's great, for crinimals and crinimal sympathitizers.

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Prismsblade posted...

It's great, for crinimals and crinimal sympathitizers.

Theres a lot pathetic people on these boards that want chaos and sympathize with the criminals.

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criminals with badges get all the romanticism
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untouchable010 posted...

The fault falls on both of them

No, the fault falls on Chauvin. What Floyd did didn't warrant the response. If Floyd had just been subdued and faced a harsher penalty for resisting, you could argue the fault falls on him for that. But it's not Floyd's fault that Chauvin knelt on him as long as he did.

You're just bending over and reaching deep to scoop shit out because you cant admit there's an underlying problem within your profession. One can only wonder why that is.

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This entire topic is stupid as fuck.

you got someone who is clearly a race troll faking black speaking for black people.

and a police officer with a hero AND victim complex that wont acknowledge the policing system is broken (well not even broken honestly its working how it was intended) after multiple decades of targeted laws in both intentions and practice. Because he cant be a hero if he acknowledges he signed up for a broken system and hasnt said anything about it.

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untouchable010 posted...

he was committing a crime and resisted arrest.

I can't find confirmation the bill was counterfeit, Floyd made it, and or he knew it was.

Floyd was panicking and saying he was claustrophobic. I also can't find confirmation he had a history before the incident.

Victim blaming and assuming the worst of Floyd, that's pretty sickening.

ButteryMales posted...

I can't find confirmation the bill was counterfeit, Floyd made it, and or he knew it was.

Floyd was panicking and saying he was claustrophobic. I also can't find confirmation he had a history before the incident.

Victim blaming and assuming the worst of Floyd, that's pretty sickening.

and he's apparently one of the "good cops"

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