Board 8 > Space Jam 2 is horrendous

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I was just made aware of the existence of this scene.

https://twitter.com/SuperFoxcade/status/1416161427027501060

Contrary to what common sense would tell you, this is in fact unedited. This is how the scene appears in the movie. This is not a bunch of scenes shoved together by a fan, this is how the movie editors decided this movie should play in real time.

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MrSmartGuy posted...

I was just made aware of the existence of this scene.

https://twitter.com/SuperFoxcade/status/1416161427027501060

Contrary to what common sense would tell you, this is in fact unedited. This is how the scene appears in the movie. This is not a bunch of scenes shoved together by a fan, this is how the movie editors decided this movie should play in real time.

I have no idea how to describe with words what I just saw.

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Crescent-Moon posted...

Wouldn't calling it out explicitly would ruin the point?

No? Subtlety doesn't inherently make the message stronger. If anything it's the opposite.

Believe me when I say that the rest of the movie is so absurdly maximalist in the complete opposite direction that if "HBO Max bad" was supposed to be a cry for help by the writers, it is completely and utterly buried under the bullshit.

If it is self-aware, it tries extremely hard to be mostly an ad and not look self-aware at all, defeating the point.

I really can't stress enough how much corporate bullshit is packed into this movie, it drowns out any other interpretation.

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ZenOfThunder posted...

this movie was so bad my dislike went into negative integers and looped back around and I kinda love it

an absolute trainwreck, my mouth was slightly agape the whole time at how shamelessly it presented itself as marketing nonsense curated by a board of directors that will all someday roast in the bottom layers of hell. an achievement in filmmaking if I have ever seen one

i unironically derived more enjoyment out of watching this trash fire than black widow which I fell asleep during. space jam 2 commanded my attention like i was alex in a clockwork orange (an appropriate analogy i believe)

Zen you need to make a career out of writing reviews about stuff you dislike

Every time you hate something it ends up with me laughing

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But ok if it turns out the creators made the movie as bad as possible on purpose so that people do NOT buy HBO to watch the HBO ad, then yeah that's a genius self-aware move. That's some big brain shit though, not sure that's what's going on here

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I mean it can be self-aware without going as far as saying "DON'T watch HBO plz!" You'd expect them to explicitly call it out then, sure, but that's obviously not the intent.

Where the self-awareness sounds like it's coming from is them basically knowing they're effectively trapping you in HBO Max by advertising all the shit on it. It's basically a self pat on the back kind of meta joke, which is actually fairly common.

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It's too confused about its own self-awareness for it to feel like a pat on the back.

Another example: the plot starts when Don Cheadle comes up with plot to digitally insert LeBron James into movies to get more viewers. This is presented as Bad and LeBron rejects it. Shortly after this, LeBron is digitally inserted into the Looney Tunes world, and the Tunes are inserted into other stuff like in that clip above. So, the thing they just told you was bad. This would be an easy self-aware dig, but the problem is: this is legitimately the most interesting and creative part of the movie. This movie sucks! A lot! And this part isn't good (actually there's a Wonder Woman segment that is unironically pretty cool and well-animated) but it's honestly the best part.

It's not that deep, dude. This movie is a total mess.

Edit: If I had to make a guess, it would be that the self-aware bits are remnants from an earlier version and when the call was made to go full corporate the writers instead just went all-in on that stuff, because it feels like all the care went into the 2D and crossover segments

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I could be way off base, but it sounds like it's not trying to make some message out of its self-awareness, which is what you seem to be looking for. It's like if you have a boss that is known for making everybody stay and work late, and then one day they make a dig at themselves by making a joke about how much it'd suck to have a boss that'd make everybody stay and work late. And then they keep making people stay and work late. It's not self-awareness in a "are we the baddies?" way. It's self-awareness in a "We literally do what we're making fun of and we get away with it fuck yeah go us" way.

I'm not saying it's deep at all. I'm saying it's a very surface level self-awareness.

It's basically gloating.

EDIT: Though yeah your edit is also possible.

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the real joke is anyone who thought this movie wouldnt be anything but horrendous.

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StealThisSheen posted...

It's not self-awareness in a "are we the baddies?" way. It's self-awareness in a "We literally do what we're making fun of and we get away with it fuck yeah go us" way.

Sure, but if it's self-aware in a "We are the baddies!" way that's even worse, and it's still a message.

The other thing is, it's also very clearly a LeBron James vanity project, and LeBron of course is opposed to Don Cheadle aka HBO Max. So you really can't get around that mess.

Edit: By which I mean, it's obviously a meta joke that Movie LeBron doesn't want to work with WB despite Real LeBron literally being in a movie by WB, but it's totally pointless. It's played straight, it's not funny, it doesn't even qualify as a joke tbh. It's so bad

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To be fair, most meta jokes aren't actually funny. They're just supposed to be a sort of "ah-ha I get it" kind of thing. They can be, but I'm honestly having trouble thinking of many examples.

That said I don't feel like actually defending this movie so I'll just agree with you it's bad because it is bad.

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what i don't get is that people love lola bunny in the original (aside from her obvious furry appeal). i don't even remember what she did in the movie.

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She makes two baskets (one against bugs when she's trying to teach him to respect her instead of treating her like a sex object) and gets saved from being crushed under a monstar by Bugs so that she can further amp up the furry appeal by acting like a sex object. Pardon the pun, but she's completely two dimensional.
That's okay though, Space Jam is a trash movie that's only meant to appeal to kids, just like Space Jam 2.

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Seginustemple posted...

It sounds like that's actually very self-aware

If it was remotely self aware the writers would have known how to make a joke without explicitly splicing in scenes from other movies

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MrSmartGuy posted...

I was just made aware of the existence of this scene.

https://twitter.com/SuperFoxcade/status/1416161427027501060

Contrary to what common sense would tell you, this is in fact unedited. This is how the scene appears in the movie. This is not a bunch of scenes shoved together by a fan, this is how the movie editors decided this movie should play in real time.

30 seconds after this foghorn leghorn rides in on a dragon with silver hair saying winter is coming.

That was when I turned it off for the second time. I cant cringe that much in succession and continue.

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

The other thing is, it's also very clearly a LeBron James vanity project, and LeBron of course is opposed to Don Cheadle aka HBO Max. So you really can't get around that mess.

Neo is opposed to the Architect but thats still part of the Architects plan. You have to give people the illusion of free will or they wont accept their captivity!

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Is there a reason they're playing basketball in this film other than "because they played basketball in the first one?"

Lebron's son made a basketball video game that AI G Rhythm stole the code for when he kidnapped them. That's what they're actually playing is not basketball, but the video game that was made.

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ninkendo posted...

Lebron's son made a basketball video game that AI G Rhythm stole the code for when he kidnapped them. That's what they're actually playing is not basketball, but the video game that was made.

So no, there isn't any reason its basketball

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masterplum posted...

Also Lebron told his son to play basketball instead of programming his video game something like 4 times in the first 15 minutes. WONDER WHAT THE LESSON IS GOING TO END UP BEING

That Lebron wasnt being a good dad by trying to force his son to be like him instead of encouraging him to be himself.

Pretty typical movie message honestly.

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You people are picky. It wasn't a great movie but it was fun and had some legitimately funny moments. Kids will love it and look back at it like we do with the original.

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Waluigi1 posted...

You people are picky. It wasn't a great movie but it was fun and had some legitimately funny moments. Kids will love it and look back at it like we do with the original.

i mean, i haven't seen it yet but it has a 4.1 rating on IMDb. given how generous IMDb ratings are, that's not a great sign.

for comparison's sake, the phantom menace has a 6.5.

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The ads for this was so off the wall horrible that anyone who willingly watched it got what the deserved.

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Youre saying this movie is for six year olds but includes Rick and Morty and Game of Thrones characters? So you were saying

Haunter12O posted...

Youre saying this movie is for six year olds but includes Rick and Morty and Game of Thrones characters? So you were saying

that it's possible for a movie for young audiences to make references that the kids won't get for the benefit of parents forced to watch

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Yeah... The original had quite a few adult jokes and references too.

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Waluigi1 posted...

Kids will love it and look back at it like we do with the original.

That not a very good way to defend bad movies. Kids are stupid and will love anything, but that doesn't mean we should just give terrible kids movies a pass. It's not impossible to make good movies for kids; let's make that the standard so parents don't have to watch something this bad at least once a day for a month.

Also, kids aren't going to look back on this like 90's kids look back on the original. Lebron isn't as big as Jordan was, and neither are the Looney Tunes. It'll just be another forgettable kids movie.
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masterplum posted...

Gave up on it when they made a reference to Harry Potter world and the joke(?) was that Bugs Bunny called Lebron a nerd for being excited to be hufflepuff

That was like 15 minutes into a 2 hour movie

movie was horrible, but not for the references. If anything those were actually the highlight of the movie. The acting was horrendous, I like Lebron but damn the dude cannot act at all. In fact, the whole cast was bad. Even Don Cheadle who is an Oscar nominee!


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Xeybozn posted...

That not a very good way to defend bad movies. Kids are stupid and will love anything, but that doesn't mean we should just give terrible kids movies a pass. It's not impossible to make good movies for kids; let's make that the standard so parents don't have to watch something this bad at least once a day for a month.

Also, kids aren't going to look back on this like 90's kids look back on the original. Lebron isn't as big as Jordan was, and neither are the Looney Tunes. It'll just be another forgettable kids movie.

OK then tell everybody to shut up about the original since it's even worse than the new one. Also the original brought the Looney Tunes back. They were irrelevant back when it came out too.

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I dunno. I was still watching Looney Tunes reruns all the time when Space Jam came out, so I don't know if I'd call them irrelevant since they were on Cartoon Network frequently.

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Yeah, syndicated Looney Tunes reruns were still fairly big back in the 90's. I remember they were on Nickelodeon all the time. These days, I'm not even sure any channel runs them at all.
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Xeybozn posted...

Lebron isn't as big as Jordan was,

this statement is very dependent on the metric

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Waluigi1 posted...

OK then tell everybody to shut up about the original since it's even worse than the new one. Also the original brought the Looney Tunes back. They were irrelevant back when it came out too.

This is such a bad opinion.

And the references in this movie aren't good.

I want to point to Shrek as the near king of good references. Good references can be missed. They are subtle. I bet there are people in this topic who still 20 years later haven't realize Lord Farquad is a pun.

Rick and Morty literally showing up with the tasmanian devil is not a reference. It's just Rick and Morty in the movie for no reason other than lol what if Rick and Morty show up lol.

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The Simpsons (classic) vs Family Guy basically

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Jakyl25 posted...

this statement is very dependent on the metric

I'm talking about just fame in general, and peak Jordan has that easy. (At least in the US. Lebron might be more known globally, I guess.) It's not really a fair comparison thanks to the media becoming much more fragmented since the 90's, but Lebron just isn't and never was quite that big.
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Real talk I know most of what I do about Lebron because of MWC rants.

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Ludwig Von 2 posted...

The acting was horrendous, I like Lebron but damn the dude cannot act at all.

I haven't seen it yet but that's funny to me. He's in the film Trainwreck, which isn't great, but he has a supporting role and is legit really good in it. Then again he was working with Bill Hader and maybe Hader is just that great to make anyone look good (he is)

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Aecioo posted...

and maybe Hader is just that great to make anyone look good

Don't ruin the dream, I want to believe NoHo Hank is a national treasure all on his own.

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Xeybozn posted...

I'm talking about just fame in general, and peak Jordan has that easy. (At least in the US. Lebron might be more known globally, I guess.) It's not really a fair comparison thanks to the media becoming much more fragmented since the 90's, but Lebron just isn't and never was quite that big.

interesting. Even just limiting it to the US, I would argue LeBron in 2021 is more famous than 1996 Jordan, though I would also argue that 1996 Jordan was more popular than 2021 LeBron

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masterplum posted...

Rick and Morty literally showing up with the tasmanian devil is not a reference. It's just Rick and Morty in the movie for no reason other than lol what if Rick and Morty show up lol.

so they're doing the friedberg/seltzer kind of "references," basically.

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The original movie had the benefit of old Warner Brothers cartoons playing on tv. It was star power from Jordan and the Loony Toons characters in a kids movie. Do they even do that anymore? Like, whos Bugs Bunny and why should they care?

Jakyl25 posted...

interesting. Even just limiting it to the US, I would argue LeBron in 2021 is more famous than 1996 Jordan, though I would also argue that 1996 Jordan was more popular than 2021 LeBron

Famous and popular are literally synonyms...?
What's the difference?

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Famous means a lot of people know the person.
Popular means a lot of people like the person.
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Lebron gets more exposure due to social media and the internet. He gets treated for what he is though which is the best current player in the NBA

Jordan was treated like a literal God among men though it was clearly different.

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also guess the quality of the movie doesn't matter (it usually doesn't*

"Space Jam: A New Legacy," starring LeBron James, outperformed the entire box office on its opening night. The movie is expected to gross $32M in its opening weekend.

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He's basically saying LeBron is more well known in a pop culture/casual sense, and Jordan was more well liked/had less haters/held in higher regard.

Jordan was famous, but you had less social media-like influence and other crossover. Basketball was still mostly basketball. LeBron has a larger audience due to it being easier to get your name out there beyond your profession these days.

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Honestly Jordan nowadays may be more well known than Jordan back then was

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Jordan was a monster international star because of the Dream Team.

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Honestly the biggest thing with Jordan is the shoes

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It's gotta be the shoes!

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