Current Events > Name one reason why anyone needs a fully automatic assault rifle

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AssultTank posted...

Automatic weapons are quite rare and expensive. It takes approximately $25,000 and over a year of background checks and paperwork just to obtain one automatic rifle. They are tracked extensively by the US government.

The number of automatic weapons used in crime in the last 50 years is quite low. In fact, the last documented use of automatic weapons in crime was in 1997, and the guns were illegally modified to be automatic. The last documented time a LEGAL automatic weapon was used in a crime was in 1988.

Now this is based on my own research, and I may have missed some, and if you can point me to them, I'll be happy to learn.

Automatic. Weapons. Are. Not. Used. In. Crimes.

I mean this happened just like a couple months ago.

https://www.11alive.com/article/news/crime/carroll-co-sheriff-releases-dashcam-video-suspect-fires-ak47/85-8ac460c8-cb3e-4b29-be0e-abe83bda3311

Is this a semi-automatic gun? I was under the impression AK-47s are like the go-to Soviet assault rifles.

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Protecting yourself against someone else who has one. I dont have one and I dont particularly want one, but I support the publics right to have one.

I care more.aboit making SBRs and silencers a non NFA item.

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Middle hope posted...

I care more.aboit making SBRs and silencers a non NFA item.

Silencers are kind of a non issue honestly. Only the Vegas guy managed to use a silencer in a way that had any effect and it basically only amounted to a few extra seconds of confusion. A matter of fact, making certain silencers mandatory would dramatically reduce lethality as they end up turning semi-autos into the fire rate of a bolt action rifle.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Silencers are kind of a non issue honestly. Only the Vegas guy managed to use a silencer in a way that had any effect and it basically only amounted to a few extra seconds of confusion. A matter of fact, making certain silencers mandatory would dramatically reduce lethality as they end up turning semi-autos into the fire rate of a bolt action rifle.

Most people, even some of those experienced with firearms, think silencers work like they do in movies where they make guns whisper-quiet. Don't really know how they can believe that.

R_Jackal posted...

Most people, even some of those experienced with firearms, think silencers work like they do in movies where they make guns whisper-quiet. Don't really know how they can believe that.

There actually are whisper-quiet silencers but like I said you're looking at several seconds between shot and you'll need to replace the entire gas chamber every 8-9 shots. (And you also need subsonic ammo)

The John wick subway scene isn't physically possible.

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Also remove the restriction on non sporting bores over 12.7mm.

Just throw out the entire NFA and redo it

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Middle hope posted...

Also remove the restriction on non sporting bores over 12.7mm.

Just throw out the entire NFA and redo it

Or just throw out the entire NFA

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What if I need to shoot dinosaur

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Malcrasternus posted...

I wonder if anti-gun people are just ignorant on purpose, or if they legitimately don't know the gun laws and regulations in place.

Goes both ways, you have gun loving people who are ignorant to simple safety standards and rules.

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hakujo posted...

Goes both ways, you have gun loving people who are ignorant to simple safety standards and rules.

I notice that's mostly with people who love the idea of having power; without wanting to also carry the responsibility firearms require. Same idea with people that buy stupid high horsepower cars and bikes and rip ass down public roads for clout.

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I don't even like guns so I'm not going to touch this beyond saying in theory there are justifications, but IMO the costs outweigh the benefits.

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Probably to shoot things.

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AssultTank posted...

That is semi-automatic. AK-47s in the US are almost all semi-automatic. Automatic AK-47s are rare in the US.

Hell, I've handled and fired a semi-automatic RPK a few years ago. RPK is literally just an AK-47 with a reinforced receiver, longer/heavier barrel, and different stock. It's the LSW (light support weapon) variant.

It's also entirely possible people are mixing up the word automatic. There's semi-automatic rifles/handguns that are often called automatic. 1911 for example is an automatic pistol, but very rarely will you ever come across one with full auto capabilities. They also don't sell full auto rifles for hunting in Academy's/Dick's for 200-300 usd despite having the word automatic in the name. It's just to denote that the action isn't bolt, lever, or manual and it cycles for you.

So if the government decides to kill everyone, you only have two hands. They have jets, tanks, subs, bombs. You have a gun. Even if you have ten, you only have two hands.

At that point, it sounds like youre just hoping to roleplay Rambo someday.

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Purple_Cheetah posted...

It's also entirely possible people are mixing up the word automatic. There's semi-automatic rifles/handguns that are often called automatic. 1911 for example is an automatic pistol, but very rarely will you ever come across one with full auto capabilities. They also don't sell full auto rifles for hunting in Academy's/Dick's for 200-300 usd despite having the word automatic in the name. It's just to denote that the action isn't bolt, lever, or manual and it cycles for you.

Its a big combo of people not knowing the difference between all the terms, being misinformed to begin with and just not caring because they hate guns.

Then you get those guys in the middle, who are either an asshole or are overcompensating for their insecurities that try to pick apart everything someone says to "Ackshully" them. These are the losers that freak out when someone says "auto pistol" or "silencer" or call a cartridge a bullet. I usually totally ignore these fucks or triple down and find the slightest fuck up they make in terminology and go absolutely ham on it.

On the flip side you get the horseshoe effect where people know enough about guns, that when they talk to others they will say things like automatic or use incorrect terms casually because they know that the person they are talking to is not an asshole or an idiot and understands what they are talking about. So its not a big deal.

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Self-defense, especially in remote or unruly areas

Flauros posted...

Its a big combo of people not knowing the difference between all the terms, being misinformed to begin with and just not caring because they hate guns.

Then you get those guys in the middle, who are either an asshole or are overcompensating for their insecurities that try to pick apart everything someone says to "Ackshully" them. These are the losers that freak out when someone says "auto pistol" or "silencer" or call a cartridge a bullet. I usually totally ignore these fucks or triple down and find the slightest fuck up they make in terminology and go absolutely ham on it.

On the flip side you get the horseshoe effect where people know enough about guns, that when they talk to others they will say things like automatic or use incorrect terms casually because they know that the person they are talking to is not an asshole or an idiot and understands what they are talking about. So its not a big deal.

Yeah I know about the super serious folk. lol
It slightly bothers me, but it's mostly whatever. Unless the person is vehemently using the wrong term/explanation and trying to act like an expert/pro and only spreading misinformation. Then it kinda pisses me off because it's obvious and only further confusing.
One example is when a gatling/minigun is called a chain gun. A chain gun is just a single barrel that uses a literal chain drive to cycle the bolt vs using gas/recoil. I blame Doom and other video games.

I was once explaining the SKS and stripper clips. Then got interrupted with "it's a magazine!!" only to respond "it's internal magazine can be reloaded with a stripper clip... or your hand". Corrected my correcter because they were so jumpy to correct.
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Edit: Just remembered the vid a few months ago that was finally getting to me after 10-15 minutes of some guy's expertise and why I mentioned my dislike of people using it vehemently. When it comes to machine guns there's LSW, LMG, GPMG/MMG, and HMG. Guy was repeatedly pushing that lmg/gpmg's were heavy machine guns to a point I was getting pissed. This was someone claiming to be an expert on the matter.
For the record the PKM, M60, M249, and MG3 are not heavy machine guns despite being machine guns that are heavy.

Xethuminra posted...

Self-defense, especially in remote or unruly areas

With a fully automatic assault rifle?

OK.
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_____Cait posted...

So if the government decides to kill everyone, you only have two hands. They have jets, tanks, subs, bombs. You have a gun. Even if you have ten, you only have two hands.

At that point, it sounds like youre just hoping to roleplay Rambo someday.

Exactly.
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Smackems posted...

What if I need to shoot dinosaur

One of the better Jurassic Park Easter eggs in the real world

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... Huh?
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Chris Pratts character used that gun to shoot dinos

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Unsugarized_Foo posted...

One of the better Jurassic Park Easter eggs in the real world

Lmfao... I'm sold. Ordering one now.

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Wtf
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Chris Pratt shot a dinosaur with that gun

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God_Of_Entirety posted...

With a fully automatic assault rifle?

OK.

Well tbh I'd rather have a fully automatic gun for self defense than semi. Who wouldn't lol

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I read it as "fluffy automated assault rifle" and thought this thread would be about people holding cats like rifles.

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Smackems posted...

God_Of_Entirety posted...

With a fully automatic assault rifle?

OK.

Well tbh I'd rather have a fully automatic gun for self defense than semi. Who wouldn't lol

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Smackems posted...

Well tbh I'd rather have a fully automatic gun for self defense than semi. Who wouldn't lol

There's no practical application for full auto in a self defense scenario. At all, unless you're being run down by an entire squad, and you're in a squad, and that is your role. Suppressive fire is the only reason the military even uses it.

I think Texas is the only place that allows full autos to be used for self defense also. I might be wrong on that.

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yemmy posted...

There's no practical application for full auto in a self defense scenario. At all, unless you're being run down by an entire squad, and you're in a squad, and that is your role. Suppressive fire is the only reason the military even uses it.

I think Texas is the only place that allows full autos to be used for self defense also. I might be wrong on that.

I fail to see how putting more lead faster into the threat would be less preferable to having the time to shoot one or two well placed shots

Of course this is assuming you know how to use the guns. And also this isn't me saying I'm for civilians carrying around automatic weapons either

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Smackems posted...

I fail to see how putting more lead faster into the threat would be less preferable to having the time to shoot one or two well placed shots

Of course this is assuming you know how to use the guns. And also this isn't me saying I'm for civilians carrying around automatic weapons either

Because life is not a movie and anyone who "knows how to use the guns" is gonna score more critical hits faster with a semi auto that a full auto. In a gunfight shot placement means more than hitting the target multiple times (and more than likely missing some shots, especially if not up point blank).

This isnt even up for debate. Look at any respected military unit or swat team in the world. They might have guns capable of full auto, but unless you're talking about a machine gunner whose job is suppressive fire, they practically never flip in to FA. Just doesn't make sense.

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To own the libs

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It's honestly just for fun.

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Agree with Yemmy

surgeon >>>> spray & pray

usually

yemmy posted...

Because life is not a movie and anyone who "knows how to use the guns" is gonna score more critical hits faster with a semi auto that a full auto. In a gunfight shot placement means more than hitting the target multiple times (and more than likely missing some shots, especially if not up point blank).

This isnt even up for debate. Look at any respected military unit or swat team in the world. They might have guns capable of full auto, but unless you're talking about a machine gunner whose job is suppressive fire, they practically never flip in to FA. Just doesn't make sense.

I'm not talking about a gunfight. I'm talking about a more common situation where someone is or is about to attack you closer. I'd rather put a bunch of holes in them quickly than rely on how good I am as a shot with a semi auto

Admittedly I'm not super well trained. I know how to use my semi auto pistol well enough to be able to use it but that's about it, and I have no experience with full auto pistols or compact smgs or anything like that. So I concede that I could be way off base

Is this not why something like the Uzi exists tho

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In the civilian world, unleashing a clip at full-auto is gonna make most attackers go the other direction

Xethuminra posted...

In the civilian world, unleashing a clip at full-auto is gonna make most attackers go the other direction

Well good lol that's what I want them to do

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Smackems posted...

Well good lol that's what I want them to do

Exactly

plus side, you hopefully havent actually hurt anyone

win/win in my book

A shotgun racking is also the universal message of "leave or die" and it's cheaper on ammunition

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Smackems posted...

I fail to see how putting more lead faster into the threat would be less preferable to having the time to shoot one or two well placed shots

Of course this is assuming you know how to use the guns. And also this isn't me saying I'm for civilians carrying around automatic weapons either

Because in real life...

1. Guns have recoil which means full auto rarely hits what you're aiming at unless you're aiming at a large crowd.
2. People just aren't carrying around 20 extra mags so you will run out of ammo.
3. 1 round is usually enough to stop someone. Yeah more rounds will kill them faster but your real priority should be to protect your own life not to kill someone .5 seconds faster.

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ThePrinceFish posted...

A shotgun racking is also the universal message of "leave or die" and it's cheaper on ammunition

Alternate buck & slug for the win, for the win

Tyranthraxus posted...

Because in real life...

1. Guns have recoil which means full auto rarely hits what you're aiming at unless you're aiming at a large crowd.
2. People just aren't carrying around 20 extra mags so you will run out of ammo.
3. 1 round is usually enough to stop someone. Yeah more rounds will kill them faster but your real priority should be to protect your own life not to kill someone .5 seconds faster.

1. I know, I've shot guns. And at a close distance one dude is a big target.
2. Yeah but they're in the attacker for the most part, because point 1
3. Those go hand in hand. Semi or auto I'm not gonna rely on just one shot unless I get them in the head. One shot is not always liked enough to stop someone

ThePrinceFish posted...

A shotgun racking is also the universal message of "leave or die" and it's cheaper on ammunition

And tbh shotgun is the way to go for my scenario anyway

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Smackems posted...

I'm not talking about a gunfight. I'm talking about a more common situation where someone is or is about to attack you closer. I'd rather put a bunch of holes in them quickly than rely on how good I am as a shot with a semi auto

Admittedly I'm not super well trained. I know how to use my semi auto pistol well enough to be able to use it but that's about it, and I have no experience with full auto pistols or compact smgs or anything like that. So I concede that I could be way off base

I mean this is not just my opinion this is what anyone with any training and credibility is going to tell you. Like I said there is really no debate to be had; you're going against the opinion of millions of people who've done this shit for real if you think FA is better than semi for a conventional gunfight.

And this would especially count for machine pistols and smgs because a pistol round is not as effective as a 5.56 or 5.45 carbine at stopping a threat in it tracks when hit in a non critical area.

Also, if you pull out a gun in order to fight with it, that is a gunfight, regardless of engagement distances. I dont understand why you would think otherwise.

Train, train, train with your handgun, in case you have to use it, you can score those hits to the sternum and cns end it quickly.

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Xethuminra posted...

Alternate buck & slug for the win, for the win

I've heard of this before. Why?

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yemmy posted...

I mean this is not just my opinion this is what anyone with any training and credibility is going to tell you.

And this would especially count for machine pistols and smgs because a pistol round is not as effective as a 5.56 or 5.45 carbine at stopping a threat in it tracks when hit in a non critical area.

Also, if you pull out a gun in order to fight with it, that is a gunfight, regardless of engagement distances. I dont understand why you would think otherwise.

Train, train, train with your handgun, in case you have to use it, you can score those hits to the sternum and cns end it quickly.

I don't wanna keep arguing about it so I'll concede

Though I'll say when I think of an "anything fight" I assume it's on equal grounds. Like a fist fight being both people using fists, a sword fight both using swords etc

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Smackems posted...

I've heard of this before. Why?

Either because you saw me say it

or someone else had the idea

its a good idea

Zombies
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