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sktgamer_13dude
07/08/21 4:23:51 PM
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codey posted...


He did something that any soldier would get court martialed over.

Wait, you mean the US isnt ok with their top, super moral soldier just brutally murdering someone in broad daylight? Say it isnt so!
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lolife67
07/08/21 4:25:06 PM
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cuttin_in_farm posted...
Which was? Killing an active terrorist? A terrorist that JUST tried to kill him ten seconds ago?

Sam was doing similar things episode one.
There's things called "Rules of Engagement." The terrorist he killed was unarmed and in a position of surrender. Sam never did anything like that.
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cuttin_in_farm
07/08/21 4:29:45 PM
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lolife67 posted...
The terrorist he killed was unarmed

Hes a super soldier. Being unarmed is irrelevant. He has super strength.

lolife67 posted...
and in a position of surrender.

He ran after assisting a murder and actively attacked Walker while running. He then proceeded to try and pass the blame instead of surrendering or apologizing (It wasnt me!).

No he wasnt.

lolife67 posted...
Sam never did anything like that.

Probably because he immediately blew up everyone who could have wanted to surrender.

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Seaman_Prime
07/08/21 4:30:12 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
All of Falcons speech

Especially the bit about "needing to put down anarchists in Hong Kong" and "stomping out the illegitimate state of Palestine"
Wtf is this real?
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sktgamer_13dude
07/08/21 4:32:48 PM
#55:


cuttin_in_farm posted...
Probably because he immediately blew up everyone who could have wanted to surrender.

lol what

The dude was in a legit position of surrender. And if you dont see how the US wouldnt want Captain America to be someone just killing people in broad daylight in front of dozens of people with camera phones, then youre the crazy one.
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cuttin_in_farm
07/08/21 4:33:44 PM
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sktgamer_13dude posted...
The dude was in a legit position of surrender.

cuttin_in_farm posted...
He ran after assisting a murder and actively attacked Walker while running. He then proceeded to try and pass the blame instead of surrendering or apologizing (It wasnt me!).

No he wasnt.


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lolife67
07/08/21 4:34:46 PM
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cuttin_in_farm posted...
Hes a super soldier. Being unarmed is irrelevant. He has super strength.
No it isn't "irrelevant." It's the entire point. Especially if the other person is also a super soldier, like Walker.

cuttin_in_farm posted...
He ran after assisting a murder and actively attacked Walker while running. He then proceeded to try and pass the blame instead of surrendering or apologizing (It wasnt me!).

No he wasnt.
Hands up is a universal sign of surrender, especially when one is on their back and not attacking.

cuttin_in_farm posted...
Probably because he immediately blew up everyone who could have wanted to surrender.
So, again, Sam never did what Walker did, as you falsely claimed.
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cuttin_in_farm
07/08/21 4:36:23 PM
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lolife67 posted...
Sam never did what Walker did, as you falsely claimed.


cuttin_in_farm posted...
Sam was doing similar things episode one.


If yall arent even going to try and be intellectually honest about this, agree to disagree.

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cuttin_in_farm
07/08/21 4:37:15 PM
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Whoa! That guy just killed the Hulk! But he was unarmed!

Fucking ridiculous.

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lolife67
07/08/21 4:38:43 PM
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cuttin_in_farm posted...
If yall arent even going to try and be intellectually honest about this

cuttin_in_farm posted...
Whoa! That guy just killed the Hulk! But he was unarmed!

Fucking ridiculous.
You really shouldn't be so hypocritical.
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cuttin_in_farm
07/08/21 4:43:22 PM
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Hes a super soldier. HE is the weapon. His group has shown to blow up innocents. Fight back against resistance with lethal force. And flee when cornered.

Hes unarmed is a bullshit attempt to make him sympathetic.

Its one thing to argue Walker should have tried capturing him. As now they would potentially have intel.

But the attempt to make this about morality is what is bullshit. That dude was a danger. In the real world, no one would give a shit that an active terrorist who has bombed buildings and people and fights back with lethal force was put down. Because he is the weapon.

No one will EVER claim Hulk is unarmed. Same with anyone else with powers. Is Strange unarmed? What about Bucky? Simply not having a weapon is irrelevant to ones ability in a world with powers.

Steve is literally able pull down helicopters. Outrun cars. Etc.

Since the analogy was just too difficult for some reason.

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lolife67
07/08/21 4:45:49 PM
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cuttin_in_farm posted...
If yall arent even going to try and be intellectually honest about this, agree to disagree.

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saspa
07/10/21 2:47:09 AM
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They might be a terrorist organization, but I will now adopt their mantra into my everyday life, because it's so noble:

One Mama. One Donya.
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apocalyptic_4
07/10/21 2:52:42 AM
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saspa posted...
But seriously all joking aside, the stupid kid this season is one of the dumbest villain decision ideas ever. This annoying 15 year old looking girl is the leader of the terrorist group? Wtf? This show is a real miss antagonist wise

Yea that was definitely a mistake. The whole show just slid down in qaulity after

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archedsoul
07/10/21 3:06:46 AM
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cuttin_in_farm posted...
Hes a super soldier. HE is the weapon. His group has shown to blow up innocents. Fight back against resistance with lethal force. And flee when cornered.

Hes unarmed is a bullshit attempt to make him sympathetic.

Its one thing to argue Walker should have tried capturing him. As now they would potentially have intel.

But the attempt to make this about morality is what is bullshit. That dude was a danger. In the real world, no one would give a shit that an active terrorist who has bombed buildings and people and fights back with lethal force was put down. Because he is the weapon.

No one will EVER claim Hulk is unarmed. Same with anyone else with powers. Is Strange unarmed? What about Bucky? Simply not having a weapon is irrelevant to ones ability in a world with powers.

Steve is literally able pull down helicopters. Outrun cars. Etc.

Since the analogy was just too difficult for some reason.
Pretty sure someone implies the government is fine and that they're actually happy since he was a terrorist.

The problem was clearly him doing it in front of everybody, while people had gathered and started filming him. It was the same shit when T'Challa was about to hurt/kill Klaue, and Nakia stops him and says "the world watches" because people had gathered around already.

Hence the name of this episode "The Whole World Is Watching"

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yutterh
07/10/21 3:23:07 AM
#66:


cjsdowg posted...
For me I loved John. He was the only person who seemed to care that they murdered a hero. And the girl as the end practically said black lives don't matter. Beyond that before this happen, he tried his best to work with Sam and Bucky and Bucky was an asshole to him for no reason. Last point. Both Sams and Bucky kill count is higher. If the government was going after him that would be one thing. But they should have talked to him and place of just trying to fight.

Well their is killing people in combat and then their is executing someone who was already downed in public. The symbol of captain america is supposed to be above that. It isn't so much killing but how you kill someone. Like how people prefer executions to be painless injections instead of something brutal like the guillotine.

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pegusus123456
07/10/21 3:41:40 AM
#67:


saspa posted...


But yeah I disliked him in general, especially compared to Zemo. He seemed like a privileged dude who had it mostly easy all his life and got upset when things didn't go his way like he's used to,
I disagree with that. He worked pretty hard for his position, it's just that being Captain America put him under massive pressure that he didn't feel he'd live up to.

cjsdowg posted...
Beyond that before this happen, he tried his best to work with Sam and Bucky and Bucky was an asshole to him for no reason.
There was a reason for it: he's parading around in the Captain America outfit. I saw this complaint a lot and it baffled me that people didn't understand why Bucky might be a bit of a dick to the dude who's disrespecting the memory of his dead best friend.

archedsoul posted...
The problem was clearly him doing it in front of everybody, while people had gathered and started filming him. It was the same shit when T'Challa was about to hurt/kill Klaue, and Nakia stops him and says "the world watches" because people had gathered around already.
This. The entire Captain America thing was a bigass PR stunt. Of course they'd strip him of his rank and title for generating massive amounts of bad PR.

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Sphyx
07/10/21 3:56:09 AM
#68:


cjsdowg posted...
Those guys blow up people and killed his best friend. Walker did nothing wrong.
Seriously?

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saspa
07/10/21 4:09:41 AM
#69:


pegusus123456 posted...
I disagree with that. He worked pretty hard for his position, it's just that being Captain America put him under massive pressure that he didn't feel he'd live up to.

I sympathize with the pressure. I do. But still.

Yes he worked hard. Sure. Some work twice as hard as he ever did to not even reach half his position. Sometimes people work hard despite not ever seeing the results he sees, but they grit their teeth and continue to do it anyway.

And oh, he was amiable enough in the beginning with Sam and Bucky, sure. But when things got hard? He loses his cool, is aggressive in asserting his authority, and almost falls into the "faux amicable villain" trope.

One doesn't do the "right" thing for the pat on the back and the gratitude, one does it because it's right. Even when everyone else hates you. And that's the thing with actual Capam. Steve Rogers was actually hated sometimes, but he still does the "right" thing because it's right. Not because it's easy and things go your way all the time.
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What_
07/10/21 4:18:38 AM
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saspa posted...
I sympathize with the pressure. I do. But still.

Yes he worked hard. Sure. Some work twice as hard as he ever did to not even reach half his position. Sometimes people work hard despite not ever seeing the results he sees, but they grit their teeth and continue to do it anyway.

And oh, he was amiable enough in the beginning with Sam and Bucky, sure. But when things got hard? He loses his cool, is aggressive in asserting his authority, and almost falls into the "faux amicable villain" trope.

One doesn't do the "right" thing for the pat on the back and the gratitude, one does it because it's right. Even when everyone else hates you. And that's the thing with actual Capam. Steve Rogers was actually hated sometimes, but he still does the "right" thing because it's right. Not because it's easy and things go your way all the time.


the real captain America is the people we killed along the way?
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cjsdowg
07/10/21 4:45:12 PM
#71:


yutterh posted...


Well their is killing people in combat and then their is executing someone who was already downed in public. The symbol of captain america is supposed to be above that. It isn't so much killing but how you kill someone. Like how people prefer executions to be painless injections instead of something brutal like the guillotine.

I see what you are saying. But I still didn't care that murderous terrorist was offed. Did Sam and Bucky even say sorry about Battlestar it is like no one but his family and John cared about it.

pegusus123456 posted... There was a reason for it: he's parading around in the Captain America outfit. I saw this complaint a lot and it baffled me that people didn't understand why Bucky might be a bit of a dick to the dude who's disrespecting the memory of his dead best friend.

The name is something that is passed down. Sam was given the chance and he didn't want to take it. So I can see Bucky being upset with Sam. Not the new guy. He came with them with Respect and he was treated like a jerk.


Seriously?

Yep lol.


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TommyG663513
07/10/21 4:51:08 PM
#72:


Falcon and the Winter Soldier was absolute garbage and by far my personal biggest disappointment out of the MCU yet.

TV pointed out an extremely fair criticism and there are many more.

Karli was just an absolute garbage tier villain

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Zeeak4444
07/10/21 5:00:14 PM
#73:


cjsdowg posted...
The name is something that is passed down. Sam was given the chance and he didn't want to take it. So I can see Bucky being upset with Sam. Not the new guy. He came with them with Respect and he was treated like a jerk.

The name is not something that was passed down. There was one Captain America and when he passed away Falcon himself said its gonna suck to live in a world without a Captain America.

Then Steve tried to pass down the title but Falcon decided to refuse.

That doesnt mean the government gets to decide to pass it down instead. Like, why the fuck should Falcon have any respect for a random dude who picks up the title of a man hes never met, and immediately treats his two best friends like sidekicks.

Absolute absurdity to see someone lick the MCU governments boots so hard. Guess we know you were firmly Team Ironman with the accords.

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cjsdowg
07/10/21 5:38:05 PM
#74:


Zeeak4444 posted...
Absolute absurdity to see someone lick the MCU governments boots so hard. Guess we know you were firmly Team Ironman with the accords.

Damn right I was the team Ironman. Wanda is a got damn terrorist who messed with the Hulks mind causing massive devastation to an large African city, and she gets a pass for it. Then when his side loser he beats up Correctional officers to get his friends back. Buck almost killed a cop while Cap was protecting him. Being team Cap is like saying...
Okay police you investigated yourselves we trust you.

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Zeeak4444
07/10/21 6:48:30 PM
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cjsdowg posted...
Damn right I was the team Ironman. Wanda is a got damn terrorist who messed with the Hulks mind causing massive devastation to an large African city, and she gets a pass for it. Then when his side loser he beats up Correctional officers to get his friends back. Buck almost killed a cop while Cap was protecting him. Being team Cap is like saying...
Okay police you investigated yourselves we trust you.

uhhhh, cant tell if this is legit Poes law or not.

Like, in case its real youre using that to justify defending an arms dealer whos single handily supplied the means to cause terroristic acts that far outnumber anyone elses reach in the MCU, and a contract killer whos got more red in her ledger than Bucky himself if hes really only got 24 kills over 50 years plus what weve seen in the MCU.

Like I just dont get it. Not even a both sides have points just a straight out Team Ironman guy. Literally licking Ross boots.

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cjsdowg
07/10/21 7:12:57 PM
#76:


Zeeak4444 posted...
uhhhh, cant tell if this is legit Poes law or not.

Like, in case its real youre using that to justify defending an arms dealer whos single handily supplied the means to cause terroristic acts that far outnumber anyone elses reach in the MCU, and a contract killer whos got more red in her ledger than Bucky himself if hes really only got 24 kills over 50 years plus what weve seen in the MCU.

Like I just dont get it. Not even a both sides have points just a straight out Team Ironman guy. Literally licking Ross boots.

Tony was a normal arm dealer that worked with the government. When he saw that the his arms were getting in the hands of bad people, be cut that stuff out. And it is not the government is it all governments. Iran and Iraq agreed , Israel and Palestine agreed. When all of these groups are on the same wave link, then you need to stop and think. Do they know something I don't.

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Sphyx
07/10/21 9:15:43 PM
#77:


cjsdowg posted...
Yep lol.
If he wasn't doing something drastically wrong, the scene wouldn't have been very impactful.

The scene was a big deal, specifically because he crossed the line in a big way.

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saspa
07/13/21 2:19:37 AM
#78:


TommyG663513 posted...
Falcon and the Winter Soldier was absolute garbage and by far my personal biggest disappointment out of the MCU yet.

TV pointed out an extremely fair criticism and there are many more.

Karli was just an absolute garbage tier villain

That bad? What was the criticism you were thinking of?
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saspa
07/15/21 1:04:39 AM
#79:


I mean, besides the karli thing.

The buddy cop dynamic between the 2 was a highlight.
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saspa
07/17/21 1:51:10 AM
#80:


What_ posted...


the real captain America is the people we killed along the way?

Lol pretty much that's more in line with how america is seen abroad anyway
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