Current Events > College degrees are beyond worthless now

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matchboxsantana posted...

Law. CPA. Professional engineer.

I think he means actually needed rather than the jobs put college degree in their requirements because they're conformists.

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What the problem is certain people wanting everything for free, which definitely cheapens and over saturates things like college

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BilalPowell posted...

I think he means actually needed rather than the jobs put college degree in their requirements because they're conformists.

You cannot be an attorney in most states if you're not a member of the bar. In most states you need a JD degree in order to sit for the bar.

You need an accounting degree to become eligible to sit for the CPA test, without which you cannot be a CPA. You can do some book keeping here and there, but that's not the same thing.

You need to have a specific engineering degree to sit for the professional engineer exam too. You can still do plumbing and some handyman work and call yourself a "building engineer" without it, but you're not gonna do real engineering work too.

AlBundy33 posted...

Currently, Manufacturing, I get paid very well to do almost nothing

manufacturing*
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matchboxsantana posted...

You cannot be an attorney in most states if you're not a member of the bar. In most states you need a JD degree in order to sit for the bar.

You need an accounting degree to become eligible to sit for the CPA test, without which you cannot be a CPA. You can do some book keeping here and there, but that's not the same thing.

You need to have a specific engineering degree to sit for the professional engineer exam too. You can still do plumbing and some handyman work and call yourself a "building engineer" without it, but you're not gonna do real engineering work too.

But are those really needed? Would you not have the knowledge to be a successful lawyer, CPA or engineer if you learned everything online for free instead of paying hundreds of thousands of dollars to some school to learn the same facts? Disregarding whatever special pieces of paper you've earned.

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Being a nurse is hard but the pay barely justifies they struggle they go through, its known as a rip off

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PoundGarden posted...

How has that worked out for all the folks with liberal arts degrees? Actually nvm, I'll just ask one of them next time I'm at Burger King or Target.

That myth has been dispelled already.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereknewton/2018/05/31/its-not-liberal-arts-and-literature-majors-who-are-most-underemployed/

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I mean sure... you can learn all the math and programming I got from my degree on Youtube. But you aren't going to do that. I still haven't met an engineer or data scientist with a youtube degree.

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Shadow Don posted...

I mean sure... you can learn all the math and programming I got from my degree on Youtube. But you aren't going to do that. I still haven't met an engineer or data scientist with a youtube degree.

yeah, to anyone with real aspirations, i 100% still highly recommend a legitimate 4-year or 5-year cs/eng curriculum, even if you need to take time off to do it. it's worth it for the mental gains and it will elevate your career still for quite some time.

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Shadow Don posted...

I mean sure... you can learn all the math and programming I got from my degree on Youtube. But you aren't going to do that. I still haven't met an engineer or data scientist with a youtube degree.

That's because nobody will hire unless you have a college degree because they think they have to do that.

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All the non-college educated people I know have a mountain of debt too and it's not student loans. Working 80 hours per week at low pay won't fix it either like that advice is often given.

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BilalPowell posted...

That's because nobody will hire unless you have a college degree because they think they have to do that.

Welcome to the professional working world? lol
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BilalPowell posted...

That's because nobody will hire unless you have a college degree because they think they have to do that.

Why would anyone waste time hiring someone for a job they have no proof they actually know how to do over someone with verifiable proof that they've at least put in some effort into learning? If I see "I watched YouTube videos" on a resume all I have to go is your word.

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You make them prove it on the interview instead of asking those silly meaningless personality questions.

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fucking usury

Imagine putting in the effort towards a college degree instead of shitposting this hard on Current Events

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Some degrees are worth it. You have yourself to blame if you get a liberal arts degree.

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codey posted...

That myth has been dispelled already.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereknewton/2018/05/31/its-not-liberal-arts-and-literature-majors-who-are-most-underemployed/

My takeaway from this article is most educated people working a shitty service industry job have business degrees. That in no way diminishes the fact that LA degrees are by and far a joke degree. And it doesn't mean brick and mortar stores aren't still loaded with liberal arts degree holders

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Offices paying $12 per hour want a college degree now.

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Get a stem degree. Healthcare, tech and sciences are stable and pay good.

And no, a 4 year degree is worth it in the long run. You have so many more doors open with a bachelors or a masters. Many jobs nowadays require it. So you can tell yourself its worthless, but tell that to employers

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Trumble posted...

All of the UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand do not have free university.

Yeah but the UK is a third world country.

Big_Nabendu posted...

Lmaoooooooooo
Kk

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Fairly obvious why it's better to have a college degree.

AlBundy33 posted...

Other than medical degrees, name one profession that a degree is needed, just one.

Teaching

Masters degree is the new bachelors now.

there may be a lot of worthless degrees out there but fields like engineering are always worth it.

kage_53 posted...

Masters degree is the new bachelors now.

Exactly. Nowadays you need more education or certifications to succeed in the workforce. And yet so many people, such as TC, put forward the idea that instead less formal education is the way to go.

Like okay buddy, good luck with your shit plan. Its like, the total opposite of whats required in our current labor market.

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I think its worth it if you have the work experience to back it up

PoundGarden posted...

My takeaway from this article is most educated people working a shitty service industry job have business degrees. That in no way diminishes the fact that LA degrees are by and far a joke degree. And it doesn't mean brick and mortar stores aren't still loaded with liberal arts degree holders

the counterpoint is. If you have superman powers and you're superman, you're SUPERman. If everyone out there had the same powers then you'd be a dork wearing his underwear over his pants.

What if every single LA, history, philosophy, journalism, etc degree holder had pursued STEM as well? STEM-beards would be complaining about how their degrees can't get them anything.

clyde_frog posted...

Exactly. Nowadays you need more education or certifications to succeed in the workforce. And yet so many people, such as TC, put forward the idea that instead less formal education is the way to go.

Like okay buddy, good luck with your shit plan. Its like, the total opposite of whats required in our current labor market.

You don't actually need it to be effective at the job though. Jobs just require it to make them feel more prestigious.

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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

Teaching

@sLaCkEr408___RJ Wrong. I know enough about certain subjects, like history, that I DIDNT learn in school, that I learned from YouTube, and doing my own research, that I could teach a college level history class, and I wouldnt even need to open a book to do it

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ExtremeLuchador posted...

Offices paying $12 per hour want a college degree now.

What they want, and what they are gonna get are two different things though, If you have a college degree, and you take that job, you are the biggest idiot on earth

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AlBundy33 posted...

@sLaCkEr408___RJ Wrong. I know enough about certain subjects, like history, that I DIDNT learn in school, that I learned from YouTube, and doing my own research, that I could teach a college level history class, and I wouldnt even need to open a book to do it

Teach me now

Having a degree (even a liberal arts) gets your foot in the door when you have no other work experience or limited work experience. Most people are not going to get a degree and then immediately be making huge bank, unless their degree is more specific and tailored to a specific line of work.

Having a degree will get you in the door to a company as a 23 year old and you can work your way up from there and be afforded new positions that *require* a degree. A lot of companies will only consider younger new hires with limited experience who have a degree or they'll take someone who has worked in an industry for many years and has experience without a degree.

If you're not very personable and not getting a degree in something that takes more knowledge/skill such as engineering or a specific career path, you might have a hard time.

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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

Teach me now

@sLaCkEr408___RJ gladly, what would you like to know?

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the college pay gap has literally never been larger lol

I barely actually use anything I learned in college, but that's not really the point. There are still valid reasons to want college grads other than "just because". It's more about are you capable of learning and committing to things that may at times be difficult, rather than everything about what you did learn/go through. You can't really show that by being like "I watched a lot of YouTube videos on the subject" and if you do want to take that approach, you better have some impressive stuff to show.

For me, as crazy as it sounds, it really was easier to spend four years in college rather than make some cool project to show off. It is very hard to get motivated to do a project. I say that from the position of someone who already got the degree and the advantages it entails though. Maybe if that is strictly the option you take it's easier, but you have to really be committed to it and expect it to take up a good portion of your life.

In software now of course they have these boot camps which entail some lighter project work, and they seem to work out for a lot of people, but just anecdotally speaking, I usually see a lot more weaknesses in boot campers vs four year grads

Once heard an employer say that the degree wasn't proof that you've learned, it's proof that you can be taught.

Personally I think it's horseshit but hey that's just me.

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Everybody I know who didn't go to college is working multiple jobs 60-70 hours per week to keep whatever rathole they live in and have a mountain of debt anyway. So choose your destiny.

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A degree shouldn't be needed, but most decent salary jobs won't hire you unless you have one.

You could easily lie and say you do. I know someone who's done it at more than one job and she got in. She didn't even graduate high school.


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There's some truth to the idea that if everyone gets a college degree, they start becoming less valuable, but... where does that leave people with only high school/GED then? Since education levels are cumulative it's basically a pyramid, the higher up you go the rarer the degrees are going to be.

The question is where does that balance fit where it's a good value vs bad value but there's no one size fits all rule for everyone.

CoorsLight posted...

There's some truth to the idea that if everyone gets a college degree, they start becoming less valuable, but... where does that leave people with only high school/GED then? Since education levels are cumulative it's basically a pyramid, the higher up you go the rarer the degrees are going to be.

The question is where does that balance fit where it's a good value vs bad value but there's no one size fits all rule for everyone.

the end game is for employers to make a PhD or professional degree the new bachelor's. Then you can underpay anyone. "lmao, entry level data entry job without a PhD and 5 years experience? You're lucky if we hire you. It's a $5 an hour job, btw"

ExtremeLuchador posted...

Everybody I know who didn't go to college is working multiple jobs 60-70 hours per week to keep whatever rathole they live in and have a mountain of debt anyway. So choose your destiny.

Huh. I work 40 hours a week, own my own house, in a good neighborhood, almost brand new car, 75 flatscreen in my living room, 60 bedroom TV, and a Series X, the people I know who have college degrees are barely scraping by in an apartment

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AlBundy33 posted...

Huh. I work 40 hours a week, own my own house, in a good neighborhood, almost brand new car, 75 flatscreen in my living room, 60 bedroom TV, and a Series X, the people I know who have college degrees are barely scraping by in an apartment

what do you do?

depends on the degree. my master's in a comp sci field is getting me sweet cash + tenure

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AlBundy33 posted...

@sLaCkEr408___RJ gladly, what would you like to know?

History of Ilocano people in the Philippines from earliest mention to modern times.