Current Events > >"FF7 Remake is bad. Alternate timelines suck"

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>"OMG LOKI EPISODE 1 IS AMAZING"

alternate timelines are great if done well, we don't know yet, people complaining wanted a 1:1 remake

I'd like to think that those ghosts/whispers are a metaphor for the toxic fanbase of FF7.

They literally exist solely to stop the storyline from being changed, even in positive ways.

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Oh, is Loki a remake of a show from 25 years ago? I didnt realize that

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DomingoGerman posted...

>"OMG LOKI EPISODE 1 IS AMAZING"

Is every single person that hates FF7r also praising Loki? I personally have been really enjoying both, I guess you didn't take into account that people like me exist.

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People were asking for loki in pretty graphics for 20 years?

I enjoy the remake, I would have enjoyed ff7 but pretty, bugs fixed and maybe some more weapons even more.

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ROOTFayth posted...

alternate timelines are great if done well, we don't know yet, people complaining wanted a 1:1 remake

This

Endgame already confirmed that this Loki wouldnt be the one we were familiar with in the first place, so nobody got bamboozled

That being said, there is PLENTY that FF7 Remake can do with their timeline if they want to pull the same outcome, different time/place trope

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ROOTFayth posted...

alternate timelines are great if done well, we don't know yet, people complaining wanted a 1:1 remake

I'd be okay with changes if they were done well, spoiler alert but the KH ghosts and time paradoxes are not done well.

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VitalGetPrank posted...

I'd be okay with changes if they were done well, spoiler alert but the KH ghosts and time paradoxes are not done well.

dude it's barely even started lol

ROOTFayth posted...

dude it's barely even started lol

It's quite telling seeing how much they fuck up in such a short time isn't it?

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I'm perfectly fine with everything they've done so far in FF7, but these two aren't comparable either. And a lot of people are bitching about Loki as well.

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VitalGetPrank posted...

It's quite telling seeing how much they fuck up in such a short time isn't it?

what do u mean how much fuck up, I haven't seen anything outrageously fucked up, only didn't like the fact the boss looked too much like the KH darkside boss thingy

VitalGetPrank posted...

It's quite telling seeing how much they fuck up in such a short time isn't it?

The only thing they fucked up with was already blowing their load on a fantastic Sephiroth final boss + that weird-ass titanic purple KH-esque monster. What they added to the story, we don't know where they're taking it so we can't say for sure that they fucked up the rest of the story.

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M_Live posted...

But I thought FF7 Remake was great. Just think this comparison is goofy

Loki's TVA and FFVIIR wraiths has the same role.

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I dislike alternate timelines as a concept. I mean, it's fun when you have certain combinations. "Christian Bale Batman is standing next to Michael Keaton Batman! Holy shit!"

But on the whole, I think it's a shitty concept. It basically makes everything seem fated and inconsequential.

At conception, you're half sperm - half egg. There are dozens of eggs and thousands of sperm. Just by existing, you've won the genetic lottery. If your dad climaxed a second later, you would not exist and someone else would in your place.

Alternate universes say, "Screw science, YOU were meant to be here. And there are many other types of you in other worlds. An evil you, a super-powered you, a rich capitalist you, a communist you, an opposite sex you, and inverted orientation you, an anti-you, etc." That's not science, that's fate.

And what about alternate versions in which people are evil? Suppose than an individual who saved a hundred families murdered a hundred families in an alternate timeline? That means that family line is cut off. There are no alternate universe versions of their descendants because that line was cut off. That kinda contradicts the whole fate aspect. So it breaks its own rules.

tl;dr, it's just one big contrivance

ROOTFayth posted...

what do u mean how much fuck up, I haven't seen anything outrageously fucked up, only didn't like the fact the boss looked too much like the KH darkside boss thingy

The biggest thing is having defeated the KH ghosts somehow reversed time about a month or so and made it so Zack survived. It also brings up issues with the Buster sword and Cloud's entire character.

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My issue with Zack being alive is because as much as Id like to see it happen, it not only retcons his memorable last stand at the end of Crisis Core, but it also means that Cloud had to have gotten all of his SOLDIER mannerisms that neatly explains Tifas lack of suspicion early on from somewhere else, unless like mentioned, this Zack is from another timeline.

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I wish FF7 was either loyal or new

Half loyal recreation half multiverse was the worst of both worlds

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AvantgardeAClue posted...

My issue with Zack being alive is because as much as Id like to see it happen, it not only retcons his memorable last stand at the end of Crisis Core, but it also means that Cloud had to have gotten all of his SOLDIER mannerisms that neatly explains Tifas lack of suspicion early on from somewhere else, unless like mentioned, this Zack is from another timeline.

uhh, didn't the whole FFVIIR pretty much an another timeline? Zack included.

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VitalGetPrank posted...

The biggest thing is having defeated the KH ghosts somehow reversed time about a month or so and made it so Zack survived. It also brings up issues with the Buster sword and Cloud's entire character.

Zack surviving is an alternate timeline. There's too many inconsistencies in his cutscenes that say he's alive in the same timeline. It would mean there's two Buster Swords, Stamp has a different design, the plate hasn't fallen in his timeline, the church doesn't have a hole in the roof, and it's heavily implied that Aerith is dead with the funeral-esque gathering inside the church + the flowers are wilting.

It's an alternate timeline.

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BakonBitz posted...

Zack surviving is an alternate timeline.

That doesn't mitigate my issue, an alternate timeline shouldn't be affected by actions that take place in the future of another timeline. If Cloud traveled in past to this alternate timeline to save Zack that would be one thing but there's no time travel here, Zack got saved due to actions that happen after his death in another timeline entirely.

It's bad writing.

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VitalGetPrank posted...

That doesn't mitigate my issue, an alternate timeline shouldn't be affected by actions that take place in the future of another timeline. If Cloud traveled in past to this alternate timeline to save Zack that would be one thing but there's no time travel here, Zack got saved due to actions that happen after his death in another timeline entirely.

It's bad writing.

Basically it's due to the Whispers. The big Whisper fight took place in a temporal anomaly that encompassed past, present, and future. Because the Whispers got defeated during that temporal anomaly, it caused alternate timelines to occur, meaning that without the Whispers, a timeline exists where Zack survived that attack.

This isn't 100% speculation either.

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VitalGetPrank posted...

That doesn't mitigate my issue, an alternate timeline shouldn't be affected by actions that take place in the future of another timeline. If Cloud traveled in past to this alternate timeline to save Zack that would be one thing but there's no time travel here, Zack got saved due to actions that happen after his death in another timeline entirely.

It's bad writing.

Way too early to say that, as we really don't know what's actually happening in the FF7R timeline yet.

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I dont see the point in complaining. The original game, timeline, and material still exist so you play/watch them at anytime.

It's not ruining the original series, let alone your childhood.

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It does ruin the tragedy of it. It's like making a King Kong movie where he safely climbs back down from the tall building and sales back to his homeland.

Prismsblade posted...

I dont see the point in complaining. The original game, timeline, and material still exist so you play/watch them at anytime.

It's not ruining the original series, let alone your childhood.

People who were asking for and bought the remake were likely expecting to relive the game with a graphical face lift; otherwise they wouldve as you said, likely just played the original games. If SE stated outright that they wanted to make a reimagining instead of a remake, Id imagine the amount of people buying mightve been swayed by that.

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AvantgardeAClue posted...

People who were asking for and bought the remake were likely expecting to relive the game with a graphical face lift; otherwise they wouldve as you said, likely just played the original games. If SE stated outright that they wanted to make a reimagining instead of a remake, Id imagine the amount of people buying mightve been swayed by that.

SE confirmed that the remake wouldn't be a 1:1 retelling years before it released. Nobody who actually followed it's development was surprised by that.

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I still wanna know how Sephiroth "summoned" them after Whisper King was defeated. Also want to know how and why Sephiroth was seemingly immune to them seeing how if there was time travel shenanigans going on he'd be the biggest target for them to go after. Much greater then say Jessie's twisted ankle.

I get the feeling Zack's story is going to be an alternate "what if" scenario in a different timeline happening concurrently to the main storyline. In part 2 we could switch perspective to him to see where he goes, what he does, and eventually explain exactly what is going on.

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Prismsblade posted...

I dont see the point in complaining. The original game, timeline, and material still exist so you play/watch them at anytime.

It's not ruining the original series, let alone your childhood.

People aren't complaining because it's different, they're complaining because the bigger changes are nonsensical.

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KeeperOfShadows posted...

SE confirmed that the remake wouldn't be a 1:1 retelling years before it released. Nobody who actually followed it's development was surprised by that.

Resident Evil 2 and 3s remakes didnt have the exact same pacing as the original games, but that doesnt mean that they didnt ultimately tell the same story as the originals, which FF7 cant say with confidence.

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VitalGetPrank posted...

People aren't complaining because it's different, they're complaining because the bigger changes are nonsensical.

I think its to early at this point to conclude if the changes made so far are nonsensical or not.

Maybe to the original, but not this continuity, at least not yet.

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