Current Events > Is it time to end moderator anonymity?

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Valjackal posted...

Considering you've been told multiple times that there are women, minority, and transgender moderators, yet you still continue to parrot that narrative, I don't think you'll be satisfied with anything that's said here.

You understand why "just take our word for it" might be met with skepticism? Why is this particular topic consistently met with hostility/mockery from the staff? It's very weird to be this defensive in a position of authority, particularly in an arena of such little consequence as an internet message board


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Error1355 posted...

You skipped right from the topic post to the post message box eh?

^This is why no one takes moderators seriously.

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sull56ivan2010 posted...

Still, it wouldn't be as severe if some of these select mods put up a better effort.

Kindly telling you to fuck off right now. No amount of failing to uphold the lofty standards of a fucking video game message board is worth harassment.

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Ps2Twilight posted...

Also people of color, myself included. One of my mod friends is also trans.

<3

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TheShadowViper posted...

Absolutely. There is little reason that a moderating decision should not be stamped with the moderator's user name.

Mods are afraid of being called out for their shitty decisions, and a few bad apples spoil the bunch. The problem? No way to show it is just a few bad apples when they are protected with anonymity.

I have zero reason to believe that will actually happen though, for the exact same reasons.

What's so hard to understand that the reason this will never happen is because shitty people can and will doxx/harass mods that hit them? Hell Tank's issue with users last week only solidifies this reasoning. Just like Alucard said, I'd 100% step down if my name went out there and a shitty person got mad I deleted their post and decided to harass me at home.

Xavier_On_High posted...

This. Seriously, it's just a video game site. Why do people care so much? I would assume it's trolling, but maybe I have too much faith in the user base.

This. Some people act like this place is all that they have and that their posts are sacred artifacts.

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sull56ivan2010 posted...

If some of you mods would put the effort to do better, you wouldn't get harassed in the first place and the generalization wouldn't occur. And it's the same handful or two that make the other mods look bad.

Do you honestly think that

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Error1355 posted...

You skipped right from the topic post to the post message box eh?

Personal harassment over pixel deletion isn't enough of a reason, dude. Keep up.

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FabIe posted...

What's so hard to understand that the reason this will never happen is because shitty people can and will doxx/harass mods that hit them? Hell Tank's issue with users last week only solidifies this reasoning. Just like Alucard said, I'd 100% step down if my name went out there and a shitty person got mad I deleted their post and decided to harass me at home.

Every mod gets assigned a number identifier that's stamped on every moderation, we now have some transparency and mods don't get harassed.
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Error1355 posted...

You skipped right from the topic post to the post message box eh?

No, I simply disregarded the mods crying because that is exactly what it is.

Little League umpires have more accountability than you do.

And I would wager they are probably a lot better at their jobs to boot.

BeantownHero posted...

You understand why "just take our word for it" might be met with skepticism? Why is this particular topic consistently met with hostility/mockery from the staff?

Probably because as Val has said, you have been told this repeatedly and your refusal to comprehend what's being said to you isn't really a problem of the staff.

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MC_BatCommander posted...

Do you honestly think that

With select ones that have been moderators for a long time, yeah. I'm not as concerned with newcomers because some of them are rather chill and aren't looking for trouble.

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TheShadowViper posted...

No, I simply disregarded the mods crying because that is exactly what it is.

Little League umpires have more accountability than you do.

And I would wager they are probably a lot better at their jobs to boot.

And they still have grown men acting like idiots because Little Jimmy at third threw out instead of being safe.

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BeantownHero posted...

You understand why "just take our word for it" might be met with skepticism? Why is this particular topic consistently met with hostility/mockery from the staff? It's very weird to be this defensive in a position of authority, particularly in an arena of such little consequence as an internet message board

I'm not sure where you're seeing hostility or mockery out of our responses to you about this subject. All I am seeing is someone who is not satisfied with our answer, and is trying to imply that not being able to give you specific demographic breakdowns of the mod staff down to their race/gender/nationality/sexuality/etc means the mod staff is inherently biased. No answer we give you is going to satisfy your wants, or your goalposts will move to find something else to complain about.

sull56ivan2010 posted...

^This is why no one takes moderators seriously.

I'm sure you'd have said that no matter what my post said. =P


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can we just defund the mods?

nothanks1 posted...

can we just defund the mods?

You take away my skittle benefits and I riot.

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BeantownHero posted...

It would be nice to know the makeup of who is determining what is/isn't considered racist/homophobic/sexist etc.

I'm sure a lot of women posters, for example, would be put at ease if they knew at least some women were on the team

Sometimes members of a hated "minority" hate others of their class for dragging them down.

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Error1355 posted...

You take away my skittle benefits and I riot.

You see this is why we have problems with the mods.
Like, I get it. You joined the mods to steal candy from innocent kiddos.
But you dont' realize this is an abusive system that benefits from stealing the pocket money of children who take out the trash that you should be taking out.

Error1355 posted...

I'm not sure where you're seeing hostility or mockery out of our responses to you about this subject. All I am seeing is someone who is not satisfied with our answer, and is trying to imply that not being able to give you specific demographic breakdowns of the mod staff down to their race/gender/nationality/sexuality/etc means the mod staff is inherently biased. No answer we give you is going to satisfy your wants, or your goalposts will move to find something else to complain about.

I'm sure you'd have said that no matter what my post said. =P

This is literally the type of defensiveness I'm talking about.

You took "users might want to know who regulates discussions on sensitive topics" and turned it into

"trying to imply that not being able to give you specific demographic breakdowns of the mod staff down to their race/gender/nationality/sexuality/etc means the mod staff is inherently biased."

This is intellectual dishonesty at *best*

the concept of a known well rounded group of staff, especially ones tasked with enforcement is understood in just about every atmosphere. Why you're so aggressive about it is odd


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moderation staff anonymity is like a glory hole. you dont know who clappin your cheeks on the other end

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BeantownHero posted...

You took "users might want to know who regulates discussions on sensitive topics" and turned it into

"trying to imply that not being able to give you specific demographic breakdowns of the mod staff down to their race/gender/nationality/sexuality/etc means the mod staff is inherently biased."

This is intellectual dishonesty at *best*

Well shit, sorry I have a memory and remember the last time I had this conversation with you.

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This is honestly the only message forum I have ever posted on where moderations are anonymous. It is coincidentally also the worst moderated message forum I have ever posted on.

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ClunkerSlim posted...

The harassment argument is absolutely bullshit and a smokescreen. Any serious harassment will get a user banned off this site. What mods are more afraid of is having to justify their actions. That's why they rally against the idea of even having moderations tagged with a unique anonymous user ID. Because even that small bit of information would be too telling of mod fuckups and revenge deletions.

Nah, this site ain't that serious to have people coming after you in your regular life, so in that respect, I understand the need for anonymity


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Dark_SilverX posted...

moderation staff anonymity is like a glory hole. you dont know who clappin your cheeks on the other end

damn it now Im gonna get horny next time I get moderated

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ClunkerSlim posted...

The harassment argument is absolutely bullshit and a smokescreen. Any serious harassment will get a user banned off this site. What mods are more afraid of is having to justify their actions. That's why they rally against the idea of even having moderations tagged with a unique anonymous user ID. Because even that small bit of information would be too telling of mod fuckups and revenge deletions.

We've seen time and time again that the most egregious harassment happens off site, where we have no jurisdiction or ability to defend ourselves, but you know this already. Calling it a smokescreen is disingenuous at best.

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BeantownHero posted...

You understand why "just take our word for it" might be met with skepticism? Why is this particular topic consistently met with hostility/mockery from the staff? It's very weird to be this defensive in a position of authority, particularly in an arena of such little consequence as an internet message board

You make a good point. Okay, I'll let you in on a secret; every moderation on GameFAQs is actually done by one man named Kevin. He lives on the moon in the NASA moonbase.

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Error1355 posted...

Well shit, sorry I have a memory and remember the last time I had this conversation with you.

i honestly don't. Were you this hyperbolic and melodramatic back then too?

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For the record, I dont think the moderation staff is some cartoony group of frats bros high fiving each other and complaining about "whiny liberals" or whatever

what the staff don't seem to understand is that is doenst have to rise to that level to potentially have unintentional bias or be problematic

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Lokison posted...

Although some mods need to relinquish their position.

Agreed. Id like to see apolitical unbiased mods. Way too often do we see simple opinions getting modded

BeantownHero posted...

what the staff don't seem to understand is that is doenst have to rise to that level to potentially have unintentional bias or be problematic

If anything the new moderation appeal should avoid that.
While I'd much rather it like on other sites and being able to have a dialogue, I do believe them when they say there are more mods voting on if something is or is not against the rules when you appeal.

Now if you are saying that more things should be modded and are not modded then that's for the feedback since the mods (to my knowledge) don't just go 'yo alan, make it so saying BrutaI is sober is moddable' for example.

Last i checked this site wasnt getting any younger so the mods need to realize that and figure out a way to make it friendlier for newcomers and mainstays.

MyMainAccount posted...

You make a good point. Okay, I'll let you in on a secret; every moderation on GameFAQs is actually done by one man named Kevin. He lives on the moon in the NASA moonbase.

And here you thought the space force was a vanity project.

It was a gamefaqs cover this entire time.

The SB in SBAllen stands for space base. It was right in front of us.

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ClunkerSlim posted...

The harassment argument is bullshit.

You can keep saying this all you want but the fact is it has already happened more than once here

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Valjackal posted...

Literally everyone except the original moderator can vote. Try again.

Youre being intentionally vague. Every mod -can- vote, but everybody knows only one or two mods max voted and one is the original mod.

even if 100 mods voted, and say 25% agreed with the appeal, thats too many mods that think you did the wrong thing and are calling you into question. It shouldnt be a majority thing

Kloe_Rinz posted...

Youre being intentionally vague. Every mod -can- vote, but everybody knows only one or two mods max voted and one is the original mod.

wat

Kloe_Rinz posted...

Youre being intentionally vague. Every mod -can- vote, but everybody knows only one or two mods max voted and one is the original mod.

even if 100 mods voted, and say 25% agreed with the appeal, thats too many mods that think you did the wrong thing and are calling you into question. It shouldnt be a majority thing

wat

ClunkerSlim posted...

Oh my god, if you're that fucking concerned about it then just change your username.

And reminder: tons of other sites have had non-anonymous mods for decades and not shit has happened. I'm so sick of this "internet trolls are going to get me fired" fear mongering. It's bullshit. You think CE's little subreddit is bad? I spent a decade on a Trek forum that had it's own website dedicated to bringing it down. They even named it Troll Kingdom and it was filled with nothing but about 100 people who spent their time trying to troll that Trek forum. They knew where all the moderators lived and worked, and even under all that, the Trek mods still weren't anonymous. The harassment argument is bullshit.

A mod had their Facebook page attacked and messages sent to friends talking about how they like to fuck kids and other types of nonsense. Likely all based off what they think that mod had done to them. No one, user or moderator, deserves that level of harassment, so you can fuck right on off with your smokescreen bullshit.

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Why is the CE response to harrassment often "it's not the worst harassment I've ever seen!"

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Yes, but this is gMefaqs so whatever

MedeaLysistrata posted...

Why is the CE response to harrassment often "it's not the worst harassment I've ever seen!"

Because most people don't care
Like you're now aware people tried to track down sparksfanboy by looking up weather patterns in fucking Canada to pinpoint what part of whatever provience it was he said he was in and still 'guise it's not that bad'

Kloe_Rinz posted...

Youre being intentionally vague. Every mod -can- vote, but everybody knows only one or two mods max voted and one is the original mod.

even if 100 mods voted, and say 25% agreed with the appeal, thats too many mods that think you did the wrong thing and are calling you into question. It shouldnt be a majority thing

I don't think a single dispute since this system started has had one or two votes, and again, moderators can't vote on disputes that they originally handled. I'm not being vague about anything. You're just making baseless assumptions and don't know what you're talking about.

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CalypsoDoom posted...

I think it's impossible to be unbiased but it would be nice to be able to critique celebrities without getting put in purg lmao

agreed, especially fat ones

Kloe_Rinz posted...

Youre being intentionally vague. Every mod -can- vote, but everybody knows only one or two mods max voted and one is the original mod.

even if 100 mods voted, and say 25% agreed with the appeal, thats too many mods that think you did the wrong thing and are calling you into question. It shouldnt be a majority thing

Lol what.

How is what he said vague, like, at all. The original moderator cant vote on a dispute.

I'm glad this site has a small handful of admins and isnt run by committee. in this topic alone I've seen suggestions that it should be a simple majority vote, and another that says 75% in agreement isnt a strong enough argument.

It ain't a court case with a jury that needs to reach 100% consensus. it's a message board post that violated rules and was removed. Just learn and move on.

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Valjackal posted...

A mod had their Facebook page attacked and messages sent to friends talking about how they like to fuck kids and other types of nonsense. Likely all based off what they think that mod had done to them. No one, user or moderator, deserves that level of harassment, so you can fuck right on off with your smokescreen bullshit.

I agree something like should not happen, but someone like you needs to be held accountable for how you act and behave. Do a better effort as a moderator. What's so difficult about doing that?

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Animated version of the how the moderation voting process works:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyetbvrQjOs

yes,
/s

Valjackal posted...

I don't think a single dispute since this system started has had one or two votes, and again, moderators can't vote on disputes that they originally handled. I'm not being vague about anything. You're just making baseless assumptions and don't know what you're talking about.

one of the main complaints of this thread is the opaqueness of the system and youve got this shit eating grin as you sit there contributing to that. You arent helping your case. every mod can vote? Show us stats of how many mods do vote

nothanks1 posted...

Animated version of the how the moderation voting process works:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyetbvrQjOs

yes,
/s

Do you even get modded often?

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MedeaLysistrata posted...

Do you even get modded often?

Depends on how much of a dick I wanna be but no, not really.
I've also got probably a few thousand accounts banned at this stage since being here from 1999