Current Events > Is it time to end moderator anonymity?

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voldothegr8 posted...

Lets have real discussion, give an example of how a mod gets harassed in my scenario.

In this situation, it's less about the moderator not being harassed, and more about what good is this information for you guys. You have an integer string that tells you a moderator is doing things. That's cool. That's also information the admin has and then some. How many people do you think dispute violations, especially now when you don't have to worry about whether they get upheld or overturned? You can still dispute them. If a moderator is targeting specific users, don't you really think that would come out in the dispute system?

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voldothegr8 posted...

Over time it's proven multiple mods have moderated user1 and not Error doing it all. Win for the mods, data which can be presented.

You are now aware 'Last signed on 4pm' when it's fucking 8pm and people go 'ERROR MODDED ME OR GET HIS FRIENDS TO DO IT'

nothanks1 posted...

You are now aware 'Last signed on 4pm' when it's fucking 8pm and people go 'ERROR MODDED ME OR GET HIS FRIENDS TO DO IT'

so youre telling me that at the very worst this change would do nothing? wow the horror

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Ryuko_Chan posted...

oh come on dude.

we all know the admins are afk 99% of the time, why even blow smoke up our asses like this?

So if the admins are as uncaring as you say, how will seeing our usernames get you the accountability you seem to want?

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NES4EVER posted...

We are held to account by the administration of the site, not by users. If there is a concern with my behavior or decision making abilities, then administration will hold me to account. Not you.

I love posts like this, as they state the obvious but in such a manner as to expose the problem succinctly...without even realizing it.

Administration is all mods are accountable to. Mods hide their decisions from users, thereby making it impossible for users to bring attention to problem mods to the administration, who are the only entity which can enact change.

" If I'm really as evil as you say I am, then let God strike me down where I stand."

TheShadowViper posted...

I love posts like this, as they state the obvious but in such a manner as to expose the problem succinctly...without even realizing it.

Administration is all mods are accountable to. Mods hide their decisions from users, thereby making it impossible for users to bring attention to problem mods to the administration, who are the only entity which can enact change.

" If I'm really as evil as you say I am, then let God strike me down where I stand."

We would still be only accountable to the administration regardless of how much information you see when getting modded.

Y'all act like this would fix everything but also say the current system doesn't work cause the admins don't care. Why would they suddenly start giving a shit in this hypothetical just because you know who modded you

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ClunkerSlim posted...

Because most people don't trust YOU. That's what it really comes down to. The Leads have lost the trust of the community. One of the reasons our Community Manager bailed out of this site was the Lead's behavioral problems. And you personally lost my trust when a certain mod seemed to be tracking and creating a list of users (which I was on) and when we asked you to ask him about it, your response was, "I don't know why he's making a list of other users. I don't care." Maybe everyone wants increased visibility in moderator actions because no one trusts you to act in the community's best interest anymore. We have to watch out for problem moderators because we know you won't.

#1: Krystal's contract wasn't renewed at the end of her contract year. The lead mods had absolutely nothing to do with it. Also her position as an admin at the time meant she could have demodded any of us at any time. This conspiracy has no teeth, bud.

#2: I like you wording it to make it as creepy as possible. A moderator used the 'follow' feature on users, a feature that every user on this site has access to. It is literally a non-issue.

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MC_BatCommander posted...

So if the admins are as uncaring as you say, how will seeing our usernames get you the accountability you seem to want?

because maybe if a mod is really abusing his power users could send in a ticket? right now users have no recourse whatsoever because mods follow the blue wall of silence/omerta

like seriously, if the worst case scenario to this solution is nothing happens and the solution would take 5 minutes of coding .... then maybe the solution is worth trying!

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AssultTank posted...

And you don't see behind the scenes to know how the three admins interact with the mod staff. Hell, do you even know who the third admin is? How do you know which leads are MIA and which ones aren't? They don't post on CE? News flash, 90% of the staff doesn't post on CE...

As for claiming this is for accountability? How are users going to provide accountability that the admins don't? By harassing the mods? Oh right... That's exactly the reason given for NOT having a name attached to moderations...

I'm sure they'll calmly report it to the proper individuals when moderator #375 happens to moderate two of their posts. Clearly that's targeting. Clearly moderator #375 is combing their posts looking for violations. Clearly it's time for moderator #375 to go.

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AssultTank posted...

Hell, do you even know who the third admin is?

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PWNED
sorry I had to do it

Put your name on it

Ryuko_Chan posted...

because maybe if a mod is really abusing his power users could send in a ticket? right now users have no recourse whatsoever because mods follow the blue wall of silence/omerta

Multiple leads said to just PM them if you have a genuine issue.
'Error keeps deleting me' isn't ok
me contacting a mod via PM to get a new mod looked at after the PM they sent got him demodded

It's not that fucking hard.

Yeah, it's clear this conversation isn't going anywhere. it's sad, because theres a legitimate, productive conversation to be had here.

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love that the guy with like 3000 banned accounts on here thinks hes an expert on how moderation works because hes so experienced in being moderated XD

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MC_BatCommander posted...

We would still be only accountable to the administration regardless of how much information you see when getting modded.

Y'all act like this would fix everything but also say the current system doesn't work cause the admins don't care. Why would they suddenly start giving a shit in this hypothetical just because you know who modded you

I find it highly amusing that the mods in this thread still don't seem to understand the concept of transparency.

The reason this information would be beneficial is that it is easier to make a case for the removal of someone when you have mountains of evidence showing they are terrible at their job. This is not a difficult concept and I suspect you mods understand that, but just are continually trying to cloud the issue and keep asking questions with obvious answers.

Even with this information it is perfectly possible nothing would be done, but again, at the very least they would be exposed as being awful. The Angel Hernandez of mods.

Alucard188 posted...

In this situation, it's less about the moderator not being harassed, and more about what good is this information for you guys. You have an integer string that tells you a moderator is doing things. That's cool. That's also information the admin has and then some. How many people do you think dispute violations, especially now when you don't have to worry about whether they get upheld or overturned? You can still dispute them. If a moderator is targeting specific users, don't you really think that would come out in the dispute system?

With some transparency you might get far less conspiracy theorists and wackos if the users can see if they're being targeted by the same few mods or not. Data users can see with their eyeballs if far more helpful than telling users you investigate yourselves and they have to trust that.
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Ryuko_Chan posted...

love that the guy with like 3000 banned accounts on here thinks hes an expert on how moderation works because hes so experienced in being moderated XD

thanks

voldothegr8 posted...

With some transparency you might get far less conspiracy theorists and wackos if the users can see if they're being targeted by the same few mods or not.

You'll get more
As someone who literally has spent over 15 years as a mod or admin on message boards in some form, it will just lead to more and more dirtbags thinking certain mods are using tricks to bypass it
We have avenues.
'don't mention mods to bypass the queue' is ignored if someone is suiciding an account for example.
'don't pm mods to tell us about violations' is ignored if a mod literally states they're targeting you

Like dude, logic.

Orlando_Jordan posted...

I think it's time to hold them accountable. Imagine if police didn't reveal their names, wore masks, and made up new laws as they went along.

I guess the sad part is I cant even tell if this is serious or not.

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AssultTank posted...

I'm all for more transparency where possible. But the benefits of the transparency have to outweigh the downsides. In this situation, they frankly don't.

what are the downsides aside from "it might do nothing"?

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Do mods still spout that bs they cant spot mod?

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David1988 posted...

Do mods still spout that bs they cant spot mod?

auto-mod*
and yes, it's a thing
No, they're not required to do it which is true

AssultTank posted...

It would lead to an increase in harassment. It's honestly bad enough as is. We don't need to give the abusive users more information to track their targets.

how are you going to harass mods when all you see is an anonymous randomized string of numbers?

AssultTank posted...

It would be like saying that there needs to be a public database of people in witness protection and who they're testifying against...

mods are cops

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AssultTank posted...

And no, we're fucking janitors.

Hey, if you're fucking janitors you get more sex than most of CE who complain.

Ryuko_Chan posted...

mods are cops

According to the OP.

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AssultTank posted...

It would lead to an increase in harassment. It's honestly bad enough as is. We don't need to give the abusive users more information to track their targets.

It would be like saying that there needs to be a public database of people in witness protection and who they're testifying against...

Then fucking behave better. A few bad apples are making other moderators look awful.

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sull56ivan2010 posted...

Then fucking behave better. A few bad apples are making other moderators look awful.

What is your current gripe on the mod staff then? What example do you have of moderator abuse?

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nothanks1 posted...

Hey, if you're fucking janitors you get more sex than most of CE who complain.

Hey I want a 'lol' for that joke..

AssultTank posted...

You really think people aren't going to compile a database of ID numbers, moderation times, and mod login times to track who is which ID?

Take away publicly visible login time for mods, issue solved. I'm actually surprised that info is available now, turning that off will render their spreadsheets useless.
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voldothegr8 posted...

Take away publicly visible login time for mods

>implying devin can do that

Error1355 posted...

What is your current gripe on the mod staff then? What example do you have of moderator abuse?

Your behavior and several other mods behavior and attitude like Valjackal, for one. Are you serious with these questions? You think legit concerns are a joke? That's why no one trusts you or any moderator.

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ClunkerSlim posted...

This is just fear mongering. Didn't a mod in this thread say there's 70ish current mods? Even assuming there's 50 unique numbers that's still an uphill battle in terms of creating a database and comparing log in times for hundreds of moderations. I seriously doubt even Tails is going to invest that much time and effort. The only way names will get attached to numbers is if other mods leak them.

I agree, but it's still pretty dumb for mod login times to be visible for all if the goal is not to be harassed by crazies.
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AssultTank posted...

And you don't see behind the scenes to know how the three admins interact with the mod staff. Hell, do you even know who the third admin is? How do you know which leads are MIA and which ones aren't? They don't post on CE? News flash, 90% of the staff doesn't post on CE...

As for claiming this is for accountability? How are users going to provide accountability that the admins don't? By harassing the mods? Oh right... That's exactly the reason given for NOT having a name attached to moderations...

So what you're telling me is, there's a third Admin?

Could it be Vegy?

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AssultTank posted...

That's the thing, every time we ask for evidence of moderator abuse from people like you, we get vague non-answers like this that don't highlight any moderator abuse. And then they go on into justifying harassment, like you tried to do earlier in this topic...

Honestly, why should we take you seriously? That is a legitimate question. Why should we? What evidence do you have of a moderator abusing their powers? Vague, "X post wasn't deleted even though I never marked it" isn't abuse, it's users not marking violations.

Has been for awhile... About 5 years at this point.

The "never marked" excuse. Okay. Not taking you seriously. That's why no one trusts mods.

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We're more likely to get complaints/harassment over things that are properly moderated based on the guidelines set by the admins and higher-ups. So maybe if we start handing out a lot more unfair moderations, we'd be harassed less?
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