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Valjackal
05/26/21 12:47:30 PM
#51:


ClunkerSlim posted...
Other things that should end...

* anonymous dispute polls.
* not allowing a simple majority to win your dispute.

Why aren't you allowed to see your dispute poll or know whether you won the majority?

If your moderation was upheld, then you didn't win the majority.

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Orlando_Jordan
05/26/21 12:48:45 PM
#52:


Valjackal posted...


If your moderation was upheld, then you didn't win the majority.
The only vote was likely the original moderator.
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Valjackal
05/26/21 12:50:23 PM
#53:


Orlando_Jordan posted...
The only vote was likely the original moderator.

Literally everyone except the original moderator can vote. Try again.

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Orlando_Jordan
05/26/21 12:50:39 PM
#54:


Valjackal posted...
Literally everyone except the original moderator can vote. Try again.
Nobody believes this.
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Valjackal
05/26/21 12:51:12 PM
#55:


Orlando_Jordan posted...
Nobody believes this.

Cool.

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voldothegr8
05/26/21 12:51:31 PM
#56:


Who the fuck are all these people voting no?
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Middle hope
05/26/21 12:51:58 PM
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You should see the people who marked you as well as the mod who sent it through.

All this talk about gamefaqs going by US based laws. Give us the right to see our accusers

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NES4EVER
05/26/21 12:59:52 PM
#58:


Middle hope posted...
You should see the people who marked you as well as the mod who sent it through.

All this talk about gamefaqs going by US based laws. Give us the right to see our accusers

Perhaps we should also have a three strikes rule. Three violations and you're banned for life.

Would've avoided this topic that way.

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Orlando_Jordan
05/26/21 1:48:52 PM
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We're tired of this good old boys club where you can suspend someone for a post that isn't in any way, shape, or form a TOU violation. Then if the user posts about it, you get to suspend him again for "reposting a TOU violation."
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CobraGT
05/26/21 1:56:33 PM
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Valjackal
05/26/21 1:57:50 PM
#62:


Orlando_Jordan posted...
We're tired of this good old boys club where you can suspend someone for a post that isn't in any way, shape, or form a TOU violation. Then if the user posts about it, you get to suspend him again for "reposting a TOU violation."

Sounds like this became personal for you. What specifically are you referring to?

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CobraGT
05/26/21 2:04:37 PM
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But how does the new dispute system work in practice?

I suppose it is not worth the money to investigate. All the same knowing might be interesting. For instance have an independent evaluate the merit of disputed moderations before and after to see whether the new system decisions are (positively) correalated to the merit of the dispute.

Some organization might do the evaluation for free.

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Reis
05/26/21 2:05:06 PM
#64:


defund and abolish mods
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Valjackal
05/26/21 2:11:45 PM
#65:


CobraGT posted...
But how does the new dispute system work in practice?

I suppose it is not worth the money to investigate. All the same knowing might be interesting. For instance have an independent evaluate the merit of disputed moderations before and after to see whether the new system decisions are (positively) correalated to the merit of the dispute.

Some organization might do the evaluation for free.

As one of the more critical mods on the staff, for the most part it works. There will never be a perfect system, and sometimes moderations that should not have been deleted or upheld still go through. At that point unfortunately there's not much we can do, but I can say that when those instances occur, that's not the end of it from our perspective. We try to make sure going forward to avoid those types of scenarios.

That offers little recourse to the user, of course. I don't know what the correct answer is, or even if there is one.

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SSJPurple
05/26/21 2:13:13 PM
#66:


Yes. That way all of the mods modding based on their personal biases rather than strictly following the rules will get exposed.

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Valjackal
05/26/21 2:40:59 PM
#68:


ClunkerSlim posted...
Bingo. At least AssultTank came out and said it. This little fact often gets buried by other mods. You cant just win your dispute by 51%. It has to be a 2/3rd majority in your favor, and even then Error can overrule your victory if he feels like it.

I'm not sure how this constitutes a "little fact" when Allen explicitly mentioned it in the announcement.

You should really release this unhealthy obsession with Error. He's not the only lead mod. Hell, he's not even the most active lead mod.

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--Zero-
05/26/21 2:43:26 PM
#69:


TC taking this site way too seriously to compare mods to police lol.

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Error1355
05/26/21 2:53:08 PM
#70:


Valjackal posted...
He's not the only lead mod. Hell, he's not even the most active lead mod.
Don't break this illusion I've built up over the years!

Also you guys really seem to want to have even less marks be handled on boards like CE, or for relationships between users to be a factor in what gets moderated.

If moderations clearly said who modded what, you'd have moderators taking shit that shouldn't matter into account, such as am I gonna get a callout topic on CE about the moderation, or if this person is well liked will that make the users on a board I may post on dislike me. etc etc

The literal only benefit there is for users to see who moderated what, is that they get to yell at or harass that specific person rather than just scream into the void that is CE about their moderation.

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ModLogic
05/26/21 2:54:53 PM
#71:


Error1355 posted...
relationships between users to be a factor in what gets moderated.
ok lets roleplay and pretend it doesnt

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MyMainAccount
05/26/21 2:59:29 PM
#72:


TaiIs82 posted...
Community board owners are not anonymous and are held to higher standards.
Are you claiming your real name is Tails82 because you seem anonymous to me


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bruplex
05/26/21 3:00:01 PM
#73:


Error1355 posted...
The literal only benefit there is for users to see who moderated what, is that they get to yell at or harass that specific person rather than just scream into the void that is CE about their moderation.

I was a moderator here for 11 years, including time periods when the moderator was named in the moderation. This was mostly pre-cNet and the user base was smaller. But...

...the abuse that came from disgruntled users very quickly got off the Gamefaqs sites and gets personal. One of the reasons I had to stop being a moderator was harassment in my professional career - and this was even after moderations were made anonymous again.

Putting trust in a huge user base with an average age of 17 - 24 isn't feasible.

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Error1355
05/26/21 3:01:43 PM
#74:


MyMainAccount posted...
Are you claiming your real name is Tails82 because you seem anonymous to me
He's also lying because community board moderations do not tell you which community board leader/owner deleted the post anyway. lmao

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BeantownHero
05/26/21 3:04:01 PM
#75:


It would be nice to know the makeup of who is determining what is/isn't considered racist/homophobic/sexist etc.

I'm sure a lot of women posters, for example, would be put at ease if they knew at least some women were on the team

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Alucard188
05/26/21 3:06:30 PM
#76:


bruplex posted...
...the abuse that came from disgruntled users very quickly got off the Gamefaqs sites and gets personal. One of the reasons I had to stop being a moderator was harassment in my professional career - and this was even after moderations were made anonymous again.

Putting trust in a huge user base with an average age of 17 - 24 isn't feasible.

This is exactly why moderators are made anonymous. If it ever came to a point where we shed our anonymity for this role, I will step down with no issues. I'm not going to put up with a bunch of maljusted wieners trying to end my personal and private comfort over a few pixels on a screen being deleted.

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Error1355
05/26/21 3:07:37 PM
#77:


lol, wieners

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MedeaLysistrata
05/26/21 3:08:51 PM
#78:


>orlando jordan
>concerns about air quality


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Valjackal
05/26/21 3:09:14 PM
#79:


BeantownHero posted...
It would be nice to know the makeup of who is determining what is/isn't considered racist/homophobic/sexist etc.

I'm sure a lot of women posters, for example, would be put at ease if they knew at least some women were on the team

There are active female moderators on the team.

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Crescente
05/26/21 3:10:15 PM
#80:


Ya'll take this website too seriously. Go outside. Go talk to real life friends. Do something else. There's more to life than gamefaqs lol.
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Ps2Twilight
05/26/21 3:12:29 PM
#81:


Valjackal posted...
There are active female moderators on the team.

Also people of color, myself included. One of my mod friends is also trans.

Not sure where Beantown dude is going with this reasoning.

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Will_VIIII
05/26/21 3:14:25 PM
#82:


TaiIs82 posted...
Community board owners are not anonymous and are held to higher standards.
That's not true I got banned from your safe space

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Error1355
05/26/21 3:14:26 PM
#83:


Crescente posted...
Ya'll take this website too seriously. Go outside. Go talk to real life friends. Do something else. There's more to life than gamefaqs lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrZ-swHQrIw

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BeantownHero
05/26/21 3:15:05 PM
#84:


Valjackal posted...
There are active female moderators on the team.

Is this information readily available to users? Its not unusual to want to know the makeup of people who are tasked with passing judgement, as loaded of a statement that might be

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NES4EVER
05/26/21 3:17:14 PM
#85:


bruplex posted...
I was a moderator here for 11 years, including time periods when the moderator was named in the moderation. This was mostly pre-cNet and the user base was smaller. But...

...the abuse that came from disgruntled users very quickly got off the Gamefaqs sites and gets personal. One of the reasons I had to stop being a moderator was harassment in my professional career - and this was even after moderations were made anonymous again.

Putting trust in a huge user base with an average age of 17 - 24 isn't feasible.

The average age is higher now but that hasnt translated to more maturity in some cases lol.

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Valjackal
05/26/21 3:19:53 PM
#87:


BeantownHero posted...
Is this information readily available to users? Its not unusual to want to know the makeup of people who are tasked with passing judgement, as loaded of a statement that might be

Considering every user and moderator has a right to privacy and is not required to disclose personal details like that because this is just a video game site, no, that information is not readily available for users, moderators, or administrators.

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Crescente
05/26/21 3:21:02 PM
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sull56ivan2010
05/26/21 3:24:41 PM
#89:


AssultTank posted...
We already have people doxxing mods, harassing their families, and being downright abusive on site.

I, as one of the more active mods on CE know that I'm a prime target, but I absolutely don't want the CE users actively harassing the other 70ish mods who don't post on CE and moderate them. The abuse and lies about us are bad enough as it is.

And it takes a 2/3 majority for an uphold...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/6-gamefaqs-announcements/77748152

And frankly, very few other sites have dispute systems, and disallow even discussing the moderation system...
If some of you mods would put the effort to do better, you wouldn't get harassed in the first place and the generalization wouldn't occur. And it's the same handful or two that make the other mods look bad.

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BeantownHero
05/26/21 3:26:06 PM
#90:


Valjackal posted...
Considering every user and moderator has a right to privacy and is not required to disclose personal details like that because this is just a video game site, no, that information is not readily available for users, moderators, or administrators.

Well then you cant be surprised when people get upset about anonymity in moderator judgement, especially when it comes to sensitive subjects like I mentioned earlier.

If you're gonna foster an atmosphere that allows users to argue when a person of color was killed by the police deserved it, why transgender discrimination is valid in sports, why MAGA is great etc. , theres gonna be blowback from people who want to know who regulate these discussions and are met with nothing (at best) and mockery (at worst)

I mean, you all let a MAGA board operate until an insurrection occurred on the Capitol. Knowing the makeup of the who decided to allow that board to operate for as long as it did is relevant info in my opinion


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Error1355
05/26/21 3:28:33 PM
#92:


I wonder how many times the mod staff has to say that mods do not manage community boards before it sticks.

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AwesomeFawful
05/26/21 3:28:39 PM
#93:


I once was modded for starting up a group for Meta Knight players(which later evolved into just Kirby character players) for SSBB, because it was a "fad" to do so at the time, and apparently fads are moddable.

This website's modding is a joke, and no mod will ever convince me otherwise after that bullshit.

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Xavier_On_High
05/26/21 3:28:47 PM
#94:


Crescente posted...
Ya'll take this website too seriously. Go outside. Go talk to real life friends. Do something else. There's more to life than gamefaqs lol.

This. Seriously, it's just a video game site. Why do people care so much? I would assume it's trolling, but maybe I have too much faith in the user base.

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3PiesAndAFork
05/26/21 3:29:49 PM
#95:


sull56ivan2010 posted...
If some of you mods would put the effort to do better, you wouldn't get harassed in the first place and the generalization wouldn't occur. And it's the same handful or two that make the other mods look bad.
Way to victim blame

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Valjackal
05/26/21 3:30:34 PM
#96:


BeantownHero posted...
Well then you cant be surprised when people get upset about anonymity in moderator judgement, especially when it comes to sensitive subjects like I mentioned earlier.

If you're gonna foster an atmosphere that allows users to argue when a person of color was killed by the police deserved it, why transgender discrimination is valid in sports, why MAGA is great etc. , theres gonna be blowback from people who want to know who regulate these discussions and are met with nothing (at best) and mockery (at worst)

I mean, you all let a MAGA board operate until an insurrection occurred on the Capitol. Knowing the makeup of the who decided to allow that board to operate for as long as it did is relevant info in my opinion

Considering you've been told multiple times that there are women, minority, and transgender moderators, yet you still continue to parrot that narrative, I don't think you'll be satisfied with anything that's said here.

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sull56ivan2010
05/26/21 3:30:57 PM
#97:


CalypsoDoom posted...
The internet dogpiles people mercilessly regardless of if it is deserved
Still, it wouldn't be as severe if some of these select mods put up a better effort.

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TheShadowViper
05/26/21 3:31:09 PM
#98:


Absolutely. There is little reason that a moderating decision should not be stamped with the moderator's user name.

Mods are afraid of being called out for their shitty decisions, and a few bad apples spoil the bunch. The problem? No way to show it is just a few bad apples when they are protected with anonymity.

I have zero reason to believe that will actually happen though, for the exact same reasons.
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ROOTFayth
05/26/21 3:34:26 PM
#99:


jesus christ what a bunch of crybabies in this thread lol, why do you care so much about the moderation, are those guys even paid?
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Error1355
05/26/21 3:34:51 PM
#100:


TheShadowViper posted...
There is little reason that a moderating decision should not be stamped with the moderator's user name.
You skipped right from the topic post to the post message box eh?

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