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Samurontai
05/15/21 4:02:10 PM
#102:


sktgamer_13dude posted...
They have to rebuild their offices. Id call that harmed.

BBC is a multi billion dollar company, and AP is about half a billion dollars

AP might be hurt, slightly, but BBC will be fine

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Trumble
05/15/21 4:03:07 PM
#103:


Broseph_Stalin posted...
Where on Earth did I make this claim? It's an office building with multiple tenants. Hamas was one of them.

Maybe, but as noted above - Israel have the capacity to precision strike instead of blowing down the whole building. So, why didn't they do that?

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Samurontai
05/15/21 4:03:57 PM
#104:


Zeeak4444 posted...
Im gonna guess pretty much anyone whos against less information being available is going to disagree with this.

Its a ridiculous notion to assume the press having their phones means they can just go right back to reporting lol.

no big deal guys, we all got smartphones now.

BBC literally has buildings in Israel though, so that narrative is odd

I honestly have no idea why they didnt precision strike it rather than flattening it. Makes no sense

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Trumble
05/15/21 4:05:05 PM
#105:


Samurontai posted...
I honestly have no idea why they didnt precision strike it rather than flattening it. Makes no sense

From the article:
For 15 years, the APs top-floor office and roof terrace were a prime location for covering Israels conflicts with Gazas Hamas rulers, including wars in 2009 and 2014. The news agencys camera offered 24-hour live shots as militants rockets arched toward Israel and Israeli airstrikes hammered the city and its surrounding area this week.

As soon as I saw that paragraph, it made sense.

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COVxy
05/15/21 4:05:09 PM
#106:


Zeeak4444 posted...
Im gonna guess pretty much anyone whos against less information being available is going to disagree with this.

Its a ridiculous notion to assume the press having their phones means they can just go right back to reporting lol.

no big deal guys, we all got smartphones now.

I mean, tell me one piece of specialized equipment in that building that is not replaced by a cell phone and a personal laptop, of which every single one of those journalists almost certainly have.

The argument doesn't make sense, when the world's journalists have largely been working from home for the past year anyway lol.

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Zeeak4444
05/15/21 4:05:55 PM
#107:


Samurontai posted...
BBC literally has buildings in Israel though, so that narrative is odd

I honestly have no idea why they didnt precision strike it rather than flattening it. Makes no sense

Alright, well youre clearly in full support of Israel here so Im gonna let you go.

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Samurontai
05/15/21 4:06:33 PM
#108:


Trumble posted...
From the article:

As soon as I saw that paragraph, it made sense.

You know what, thats a yikes from me lol

that looks incredibly bad on Israels part

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Hornezz
05/15/21 4:06:41 PM
#109:


Are you all really making the argument that blowing up an office building doesn't hamper business as long as nobody is inside? Seriously?

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Orchestrion
05/15/21 4:06:45 PM
#110:


COVxy posted...
I mean, tell me one piece of specialized equipment in that building that is not replaced by a cell phone and a personal laptop, of which every single one of those journalists almost certainly have.

The argument doesn't make sense, when the world's journalists have largely been working from home for the past year anyway lol.

What do you have to gain by defending the destruction of press offices?


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Broseph_Stalin
05/15/21 4:06:57 PM
#111:


Trumble posted...
Maybe, but as noted above - Israel have the capacity to precision strike instead of blowing down the whole building. So, why didn't they do that?

You can't precision bomb one floor of a building lmao wtf?
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King_Hellebuyck
05/15/21 4:07:17 PM
#112:


COVxy posted...
I mean, tell me one piece of specialized equipment in that building that is not replaced by a cell phone and a personal laptop, of which every single one of those journalists almost certainly have.

The argument doesn't make sense, when the world's journalists have largely been working from home for the past year anyway lol.
https://twitter.com/samya_kullab/status/1393571863889162241

why do you think the AP is lying?

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Samurontai
05/15/21 4:07:52 PM
#113:


Zeeak4444 posted...
Alright, well youre clearly in full support of Israel here so Im gonna let you go.

Lmaooo, what?

Ive said multiple times that I wouldnt put it past them leveling the building because its the media. I just dont know for sure. Well until Truble posted that paragraph

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Trumble
05/15/21 4:08:27 PM
#114:


Broseph_Stalin posted...
You can't precision bomb one floor of a building lmao wtf?

If you actually read the article, it specifically notes that Israel have the capacity to do so, and have done so many times.

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Orchestrion
05/15/21 4:09:26 PM
#115:


Broseph_Stalin posted...
You can't precision bomb one floor of a building lmao wtf?

I thought you believed everything the Israeli government said? The article literally states they have the ability to do so.

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DezDroppedFreak
05/15/21 4:10:39 PM
#116:


COVxy posted...
I mean, tell me one piece of specialized equipment in that building that is not replaced by a cell phone and a personal laptop, of which every single one of those journalists almost certainly have.

The argument doesn't make sense, when the world's journalists have largely been working from home for the past year anyway lol.


For 15 years, the APs top-floor office and roof terrace were a prime location for covering Israels conflicts with Gazas Hamas rulers, including wars in 2009 and 2014. The news agencys camera offered 24-hour live shots as militants rockets arched toward Israel and Israeli airstrikes hammered the city and its surrounding area this week.

Well look at that. Heres one example right above you

why are you arguing destroying equipment doesnt hinder reporting

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hockeybub89
05/15/21 4:10:48 PM
#117:


Why weren't the AP and BBC aware that they no longer occupied their offices? Are they just a bunch of dumb leftists being tricked, or are they literally shilling for Hamas?

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COVxy
05/15/21 4:11:52 PM
#118:


Hornezz posted...
Are you all really making the argument that blowing up an office building doesn't hamper business as long as nobody is inside? Seriously?

Hampers reporting far less effectively than killing journalists. Seems like there are a billion ways to do this better if the goal is to interfere with the press. Like, why go with a limp quarter measure, in a way that everyone is certainly going to find out about, and is certainly going to get you a shit ton of negative press?

Just doesn't make any real sense.

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ultimate reaver
05/15/21 4:12:47 PM
#119:


hockeybub89 posted...
Why weren't the AP and BBC aware that they no longer occupied their offices? Are they just a bunch of dumb leftists being tricked, or are they literally shilling for Hamas?

whatever lets you go out on a limb enough for beautiful perfect israel

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Trumble
05/15/21 4:12:56 PM
#120:


COVxy posted...
Hampers reporting far less effectively than killing journalists. Seems like there are a billion ways to do this better if the goal is to interfere with the press. Like, why go with a limp quarter measure, in a way that everyone is certainly going to find out about, and is certainly going to get you a shit ton of negative press?

Just doesn't make any real sense.

It's a bit harder to claim Hamas was hiding inside a journalist's ass or whatever.

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Zeeak4444
05/15/21 4:13:07 PM
#121:


COVxy posted...
Hampers reporting far less effectively than killing journalists. Seems like there are a billion ways to do this better if the goal is to interfere with the press. Like, why go with a limp quarter measure, in a way that everyone is certainly going to find out about, and is certainly going to get you a shit ton of negative press?

Just doesn't make any real sense.

because plausible deniability. Literally working right here right now on you.

Less information out to the world but no one was killed so no big deal.

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King_Hellebuyck
05/15/21 4:13:56 PM
#122:


COVxy posted...
Hampers reporting far less effectively than killing journalists. Seems like there are a billion ways to do this better if the goal is to interfere with the press. Like, why go with a limp quarter measure, in a way that everyone is certainly going to find out about, and is certainly going to get you a shit ton of negative press?

Just doesn't make any real sense.
Why do you think the AP is lying? For fuck sake this is pathetic

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Orchestrion
05/15/21 4:14:06 PM
#123:


Zeeak4444 posted...


because plausible deniability. Literally working right here right now on you.

Its not working on him. Hes been defending Israel for days.

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Nikra
05/15/21 4:15:26 PM
#124:


Omnislasher posted...
"hamas infrastructure"
This
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NinjaWarrior455
05/15/21 4:21:28 PM
#125:


Two news agencies losing their offices right in the heart of a conflict not being a hindrance to reporting the news is certainly a take

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SothaSil
05/15/21 4:23:29 PM
#126:


King_Hellebuyck posted...
Why do you think the AP is lying? For fuck sake this is pathetic
He was implying just a couple days ago that any criticism of Israel or their actions is just people being anti-Semitic

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David1988
05/15/21 4:25:02 PM
#127:


Guess Israel doesnt like the reporting about white phosphorus being used against civilians, cant blame them

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Broseph_Stalin
05/15/21 4:25:15 PM
#128:


NinjaWarrior455 posted...
Two news agencies losing their offices right in the heart of a conflict not being a hindrance to reporting the news is certainly a take

Again this is why Hamas chooses to operate out of places like this.
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Intro2Logic
05/15/21 4:25:52 PM
#129:


Worth noting that the building was also a residential building

https://twitter.com/LailaAlarian/status/1393661913574297603


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King_Hellebuyck
05/15/21 4:26:44 PM
#130:


SothaSil posted...
He was implying just a couple days ago that any criticism of Israel or their actions is just people being anti-Semitic
Jesus fucking christ

Broseph_Stalin posted...
Again this is why Hamas chooses to operate out of places like this.
Again real weird how you pretended you were defending this and then repeatedly ignored how they didnt have to take out entire buildings

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COVxy
05/15/21 4:27:01 PM
#131:


SothaSil posted...
He was implying just a couple days ago that any criticism of Israel or their actions is just people being anti-Semitic

We can quote the post if you would like. Stop spreading lies.

Literally was making fun of posters that were saying "this is an ironic turn of events for israel, becoming the holocausters!". Which is an obvious shit take that should be offensive to everyone who is taking this shit seriously and not just using it as a political platform.

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Chad-Henne
05/15/21 4:27:41 PM
#132:


i wonder exactly how long it is that someone needs to cook their brain before they start wanting to defend israel

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King_Hellebuyck
05/15/21 4:28:00 PM
#133:


COVxy posted...
We can quote the post if you would like. Stop spreading lies.

Literally was making fun of posters that were saying "this is an ironic turn of events for israel, becoming the holocausters!". Which is an obvious shit take that should be offensive to everyone who is taking this shit seriously and not just using it as a political platform.
Ok so why so you think the AP is lying?

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ultimate reaver
05/15/21 4:29:14 PM
#134:


Intro2Logic posted...
Worth noting that the building was also a residential building

https://twitter.com/LailaAlarian/status/1393661913574297603

really shouldnt have read the replies, its even worse than this shithole

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Nikra
05/15/21 4:38:09 PM
#136:


COVxy posted...
Hampers reporting far less effectively than killing journalists. Seems like there are a billion ways to do this better if the goal is to interfere with the press. Like, why go with a limp quarter measure, in a way that everyone is certainly going to find out about, and is certainly going to get you a shit ton of negative press?

Just doesn't make any real sense.
You all seem to forget that the Israeli military called the building owner over the phone and gave him a one hour warning to evacuate the building before they attack
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COVxy
05/15/21 4:38:57 PM
#137:


King_Hellebuyck posted...
Ok so why so you think the AP is lying?

I think that entire statement was deliberately dramatic. Again, maybe that statement is literally correct, but I don't think this is an effective way to silence the press. Evinced by the fact that we know all about it and the press is still churning out stories about it.

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King_Hellebuyck
05/15/21 4:40:52 PM
#138:


COVxy posted...
I think that entire statement was deliberately dramatic. Again, maybe that statement is literally correct, but I don't think this is an effective way to silence the press. Evinced by the fact that we know all about it and the press is still churning out stories about it.
You didnt explain why you think theyre lying.

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Turtlemayor333
05/15/21 4:42:02 PM
#139:


It's like taking a list of 10 people, you know 1 committed murder and 9 are innocent but it's impossible to know who is who. Most people will say you have to let them all go, but there will be always some conservative tough guys who don't understand or don't care about due process and will throw all 10 in prison for life.

The argument is about scale and appropriate use of force that justifies the costs involved. This shouldn't need explaining.

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COVxy
05/15/21 4:42:33 PM
#140:


King_Hellebuyck posted...
You didnt explain why you think theyre lying.

I don't think you're doing a good job honestly reading my posts.

He also said that journalists narrowly escaped with their lives. Not sure that makes too much literal sense with an hour warning, but it sure is dramatic.

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hockeybub89
05/15/21 4:42:40 PM
#141:


Broseph_Stalin posted...
Again this is why Hamas chooses to operate out of places like this.
Why is Israel giving Hamas what they want? "Terrorists hide" is not an excuse to take people or city blocks out in an attempt to find them.

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King_Hellebuyck
05/15/21 4:45:12 PM
#142:


COVxy posted...
I don't think you're doing a good job honestly reading my posts.

He also said that journalists narrowly escaped with their lives. Not sure that makes too much literal sense with an hour warning, but it sure is dramatic.
Youre not explaining why you think they lied and you outright ignored post 116 that demonstrated the usefulness of the building itself while continuing to ignore how Israel didnt have to take down the entire building.

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Shablagoo
05/15/21 4:46:20 PM
#143:


hockeybub89 posted...
Why is Israel giving Hamas what they want? "Terrorists hide" is not an excuse to take people or city blocks out in an attempt to find them.

Israels government literally helped fund the creation of Hamas decades ago as a countermeasure against the leftist organizations in Palestine. They wanted Hamas in power so they could declare war.

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hockeybub89
05/15/21 4:46:31 PM
#144:


COVxy posted...
I don't think you're doing a good job honestly reading my posts.

He also said that journalists narrowly escaped with their lives. Not sure that makes too much literal sense with an hour warning, but it sure is dramatic.
I was trying to ask Broseph, but maybe you can answer. So is the AP willingly pushing terrorist propaganda for clicks and stupid leftists like me who apparently support terrorists?

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Broseph_Stalin
05/15/21 4:47:19 PM
#145:


hockeybub89 posted...
Why is Israel giving Hamas what they want? "Terrorists hide" is not an excuse to take people or city blocks out in an attempt to find them.

Israel's choice is either to let Hamas operate freely or to conduct strikes like this which will create a million misleading headlines that people (CE) are sure to fall for every time.

It's a win/win for Hamas, why would they care about civilians who get caught in the crossfire?
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COVxy
05/15/21 4:49:05 PM
#146:


King_Hellebuyck posted...
Youre not explaining why you think they lied and you outright ignored post 116 that demonstrated the usefulness of the building itself while continuing to ignore how Israel didnt have to take down the entire building.

You have been the one saying I'm saying they're lying. I literally addressed it in my reply to you but you continue to ignore it. I think that it was an overtly dramatic statement, made with purpose, that doesn't really address anything here.

A camera on a rooftop that can see missiles is not all that rare, which I'm sure you've learned in the past week. It's a dumb point, so I chose not to address it because I assumed people could tell that.

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Broseph_Stalin
05/15/21 4:53:12 PM
#147:


Interesting that it's only people inside the hivemind who are constructing strawman arguments
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King_Hellebuyck
05/15/21 4:55:19 PM
#148:


COVxy posted...
You have been the one saying I'm saying they're lying. I literally addressed it in my reply to you but you continue to ignore it. I think that it was an overtly dramatic statement, made with purpose, that doesn't really address anything here.

A camera on a rooftop that can see missiles is not all that rare, which I'm sure you've learned in the past week. It's a dumb point, so I chose not to address it because I assumed people could tell that.
Its like you dont even read your own posts Oh well, just answer then, do you think this is a true statement:
"The world will know less about what is happening in Gaza because of what happened today."

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Shablagoo
05/15/21 4:55:23 PM
#149:


Broseph_Stalin posted...
Interesting that it's only people inside the hivemind who are constructing strawman arguments

In other words, those pesky facts.

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Broseph_Stalin
05/15/21 4:58:11 PM
#150:


Shablagoo posted...
In other words, those pesky facts.

Yeah it was really funny seeing people deny the fact that Hamas operates in civilian areas.
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Mezcla
05/15/21 4:58:47 PM
#151:


"BoTH SiDEs ArE EquALLy BAd!!!"

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