Current Events > Should people be fired for being racist?

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yeah but the reasoning shouldn't be "waaahh you're supposed to be our mascot so you can't do things we don't approve of in your personal life"

the reasoning should be "you're a piece of shit so we don't want you here"

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Bruh this page is empty even though there should be 51 posts.
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PrettyBoyFloyd posted...

Isn't everyone racist to a extent?

Never know anyone who was a 100% clean.

Racist? No. People can act on the basis of prejudice and stereotypes without intending to do so though. That's called implicit bias and there are lots of studies on it.

But just saying "well everyone is a little racist" sounds very hand wavey.

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JustMyOpinion posted...

You probably thought this was profound, but it's actually a pretty stupid thing to say in relation to this topic.

you probably thought this was profound....

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AssultTank posted...

My questions are as follows;
1) Where do we draw the line? How racist is racist enough to get fired? Does it have to be overt or is just implied racism enough? Is there a statute of limitations?
2) Once you draw that line, who determines when someone is over that line? How do we prevent that entity from being racist or otherwise abusing their power?
3) What governmental support are you going to provide the people who are unable to find work because of this; or is this just the death penalty for them and their family, just with extra steps?
4) Is there an appeal process? How do you handle situations where someone is branded as a racist, but later evidence shows they weren't?

I don't condone racism, I just want to make sure we don't become a society where we can just arbitrarily decide to kill random people with no legal protections.

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NoxObscuras posted...

But just saying "well everyone is a little racist" sounds very hand wavey.

it's correct though

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JustMyOpinion posted...

You probably thought this was witty...

you probably thought this was funny

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AssultTank posted...

I don't condone racism, I just want to make sure we don't become a society where we can just arbitrarily decide to kill random people with no legal protections.

When did we jump from getting fired to firing squads?

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AssultTank posted...

What do you think will happen to someone who is put out of work and unable to find a new job in our society?

Homelessness and starvation are usually the end result there.

I'm not sure you understand how easy it is for "cancelled" individuals to get back on their feet again.

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1) Does it have to be overt or is just implied racism enough? Overt
Is there a statute of limitations? Not a law but yes.

2) Once you draw that line, who determines when someone is over that line? Someone's boss
How do we prevent that entity from being racist or otherwise abusing their power? Complain or lawsuit.

3) What governmental support are you going to provide the people who are unable to find work because of this? None.
or is this just the death penalty for them and their family, just with extra steps? Their family can just abandon the jobless racist and the children already get government support.

4) Is there an appeal process? Yes.
How do you handle situations where someone is branded as a racist, but later evidence shows they weren't? Reinstatement,

We don't fire enough people for being racist as is.

We need to be an anti-racist society.

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AssultTank posted...

I'm assuming that the end goal is to prevent these people from ever working again. I want to make sure we have adequate protections for our society and the innocent before we get to that point.

Why would we make that assumption? You can overcome a racist past; it's not like they've killed anyone. (directly at least)

Also, just noting that refusing to mod that post I already marked with the overt racism is a bad look.

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Absolutely

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Yes. There is no place for toxicity in the workplace.

inb4"But then should a black person be fired if they work with a bunch of racists if it helps work flow?"

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Pus_N_Pecans posted...

When did we jump from getting fired to firing squads?

He did all that mental gymnastics and doomsday scenarios just to avoid answering the question

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JustMyOpinion posted...

You're essentially looking to bypass the marking system which is usually a moderation.

Oh well. It's been about 8 years or so. I'll take one in order to make a point.

BeantownHero posted...

He did all that mental gymnastics and doomsday scenarios just to avoid answering the question

Yep.

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BeantownHero posted...

He did all that mental gymnastics and doomsday scenarios just to avoid answering the question

Same mod who implied "Current Germany is fascist because they ban inappropriate NAZI symbology"

AirFresh posted...

Yes if you publicly say where you work you represent the company and ideals on and off the clock.

I...disagree with people bringing up this.. like, do we really want to encourage the idea that we represent our companies outside of work...
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emblem boy posted...

I...disagree with people bringing up this.. like, do we really want to encourage the idea that we represent our companies outside of work...

That's the case whether we like it or not.

No, or at least it depends greatly on the job.

If youre responsible for monitoring the cooling levels in a nuclear reactor, then I really dont give a fuck about your personal views off the clock. Do the damn job and do it right. Ive worked with a large number of people who believe in their daily horoscopes and almost all who talk to their imaginary friend every day for advice. Im pretty sure at least two or three were damn Flat Earthers. We did not fire those people either.

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Proof?

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No. If your ability to work effectively is not compromised you should not be fired for something outside work.

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joe40001 posted...

No. If your ability to work effectively is not compromised you should not be fired for something outside work.

Should note that doing your job effectively also includes some level of assumption about how you treat your coworkers or those below you at work. If I had a boss who was legit racist against black people (however you define that term), I'm not going to think I'm being properly judged.

ButteryMales posted...

emblem boy posted...

I...disagree with people bringing up this.. like, do we really want to encourage the idea that we represent our companies outside of work...

That's the case whether we like it or not.

We can do what we can to not internalize or normalize it
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AssultTank posted...

Not what I said back then either,

I might be misremembering. What did you imply?

AssultTank posted...

but I don't expect you to not misrepresent what someone else said to attack them.

If you know my main then you'd know I got warned and called a liar because I pointed out and even shittier thing you did.

AssultTank posted...

When someone loses their job, they have a limited amount of time to find a new one before they lose their home, lose their car, and lose all ability to purchase food. If we assume that all companies are firing all known racists, we can also assume someone who is fired for being racist won't get hired elsewhere. This means they will be homeless eventually.

On average, homeless adults answered in the affirmative to nearly six (5.92) out of the ten food insecurity questions. Not a single person in this sample scored a zero on the food insecurity scalethe score necessary to be considered completely food secureand 70% scored three or higherthe threshold typically used to identify someone as categorically food insecure.
Fitzpatrick, K.M., Willis, D.E. Homeless and hungry: food insecurity in the land of plenty. Food Sec. 13, 312 (2021). https://doi.org/10.1007/s12571-020-01115-x

Thus, we can reasonably assume that someone who loses their job and is unable to get a new one will be extremely likely to become homeless and starve.

Literally don't care. I did say
ButteryMales posted...

Is there a statute of limitations? Not a law but yes.

@guesswho33 should they?

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What if the boss is the racist one?
ButteryMales posted...

Complain or lawsuit.

Are you planning on expanding the laughable support we provide for women and children who leave someone? I'm liberal as fuck, of course we should.

What do you do about the loss of reputation for someone who is accused of being a racist?
What about if someone is accused, commits suicide, and then is found innocent?

AssultTank posted...

I said they have laws on the books that a fascist government could easily use to oppress people.

Do you not know what imply means?

AssultTank posted...

Also, homelessness and starvation come on pretty quickly. Any time limit you place will be either entirely useless or will put people in that situation.

ButteryMales posted...

Literally don't care.

Thank goodness the racists have AssultTank, gamefaqs moderator, to ask the important questions on their behalf.

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AssultTank posted...

we can also assume someone who is fired for being racist won't get hired elsewhere.

Unless, y'know, they stop being racist.

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"We shouldn't fire people for being racist because then no one will want to hire a racist"

People that are fired for violating codes of conduct might have their character called into question when they apply for future jobs? The fucking horror! Should non-physical sexual harassment be allowed too? Because it would be unfair to hurt someone's future employment opportunities because they said disagreeable things?

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ZMythos posted...

Unless, y'know, they stop being racist.

People are fired for things they said 10 years ago, so yeah changing isn't going to do much. Even if it's a misunderstand you are likely going to be fucked.

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emblem boy posted...

Should note that doing your job effectively also includes some level of assumption about how you treat your coworkers or those below you at work. If I had a boss who was legit racist against black people (however you define that term), I'm not going to think I'm being properly judged.

But if he were to be able to properly judge people and conduct himself appropriately then it would not be an issue.

You could argue a true racist could not possibly work in any job as effectively as a non-racist. That maybe be true, idk. But assuming they could, they should not be fired for being racist.

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AssultTank posted...

I said they have laws on the books that a fascist government could easily use to oppress people.

Same with America. Laws at all can be corrupted to oppress people.

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Depends.

Are we talking said something racially insensitive but not malicous a decade ago or dropped an N-bomb laden rant on live television kinda racism here?

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joe40001 posted...

People are fired for things they said 10 years ago

No they're not.

joe40001 posted...

Even if it's a misunderstand you are likely going to be fucked.

I mean, people aren't getting fired for misunderstandings as is. So, no, they're not.

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joe40001 posted...

emblem boy posted...

Should note that doing your job effectively also includes some level of assumption about how you treat your coworkers or those below you at work. If I had a boss who was legit racist against black people (however you define that term), I'm not going to think I'm being properly judged.

But if he were to be able to properly judge people and conduct himself appropriately then it would not be an issue.

You could argue a true racist could not possibly work in any job as effectively as a non-racist. That maybe be true, idk. But assuming they could, they should not be fired for being racist.

The point is, how do you know. I mean, at some point if someone is saying they view x race as inferior, like.. it's not crazy to doubt how objective they can be. There's a point where trying to be charitable ends up just creating falsehoods
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I don't think so , unless theyare a doctor or cop. I mean who know how racist the guy checking you out at Wal-Mart is. If he doesn't do anything on the job to hurt anyone..then let him be.

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And note that I'm thinking about jobs where the person has some level of power
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emblem boy posted...

The point is, how do you know. I mean, at some point if someone is saying they view x race as inferior, like.. it's not crazy to doubt how objective they can be. There's a point where trying to be charitable ends up just creating falsehoods

I'm treating this as a thought experiment. When we get into practical realities the question becomes different. I would imagine if somebody is discriminating it wouldn't be impossible to demonstrate.

The other way to think about this is if somebody is fired for being racist and not for their actions, then we are getting into the territory of thought crimes. Which is something I don't approve of.

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joe40001 posted...

I'm treating this as a thought experiment. When we get into practical realities the question becomes different. I would imagine if somebody is discriminating it wouldn't be impossible to demonstrate.

The other way to think about this is if somebody is fired for being racist and not for their actions, then we are getting into the territory of thought crimes. Which is something I don't approve of.

Anyway I work with various people and I never felt that they were true racists.

Just assholes to each other.

Should being a asshole get you fired?

Hell even I get moody and want to crack some heads every other day.

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should people be fired for telling a lady she have lovely breasts in a non harassing way

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