Current Events > We get it, America, y'all literally *can't* ban guns.

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So hurry up and ban ammo already.

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Shut the fuck up.

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Banning things is very effective. That's why the war in drugs was so effective. Prohibition was a great success. Prostitution and sex trafficking has been eliminated. And Cuba doesn't exist anymore.


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SevenTenths posted...

Banning things is very effective. That's why the war in drugs was so effective. Prohibition was a great success. Prostitution and sex trafficking has been eliminated. And Cuba doesn't exist anymore.

Yeah but it'll work this time. Trust me.

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SevenTenths posted...

That's why the war in drugs was so effective.

Comparing guns to an addiction, eh? I see now.

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CyricZ posted...

Comparing guns to an addiction, eh? I see now.

To be fair to them, Americans are addicted to school shootings
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Might as well try to ban tortillas in Mexico.
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https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1846698258

It's always been a silly argument simply from a logistics standpoint of the number of guns in the country. Even without out the "muh guns!" crowd or people illegally crafting guns regardless, it'd be near impossible to physically collect them in any timely manner.

SevenTenths posted...

Banning things is very effective. That's why the war in drugs was so effective. Prohibition was a great success. Prostitution and sex trafficking has been eliminated. And Cuba doesn't exist anymore.

exactly man these people only go by what they see on TV. what they don't see is what a total hellhole we'll have if we don't have stand-up citizens that are armed which prevents all kinds of crime from happening to begin with.

For every gun death they report on there's untold THOUSANDS of lives saved by the very fact that people are able to defend themselves to begin with. You'll never hear about it on the TV thus people see the deaths and think it's a closed and shut case. Far from the truth guys, no offense but please use your brain!

I don't even like guns because the concussion makes my head hurt trying to shoot me one but I'm all for people having the right to self defense because that's a god-given right. Period.

I wonder if there was a time when it was possible.

There's an article from like 1970 that's saying if America went through the 60s without restricting guns they never will and it'll just get more and more difficult as the tragedies get worse and worse. He certainly got that right.

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Trumble posted...

So hurry up and ban ammo already.

Marked for ripping off a chris rock joke

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EUQwye0mvxs

The only solution is portable force fields. It's also the solution to covid.

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Only criminals should have guns imo

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We should ban hands so criminals cant pull the triggers.

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Demon1050 posted...

For every gun death they report on there's untold THOUSANDS of lives saved by the very fact that people are able to defend themselves to begin with. You'll never hear about it on the TV thus people see the deaths and think it's a closed and shut case. Far from the truth guys, no offense but please use your brain!

This is not only meaningless because the number of gun deaths reported on TV is not something to base policy around, but also completely misleading horseshit. The rate of using a firearm to defend yourself from a violent crime is around 1/900th of having that firearm stolen, and the rate of it killing a family member via suicide or accident is even higher.

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You have no idea how many people Demon1050 could kill but doesn't.

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We can but we've decided mass shootings are an acceptable price for people to own guns

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i support the legalization of drugs, safe use programs, access to clean drugs for all children
cant stop em right? may as well teach em from kindergarten.

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We can if there was enough support to pass a constitutional amendment; however, there isn't since we want to keep our guns. Thanks.
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AndyKnow posted...

We can if there was enough support to pass a constitutional amendment; however, there isn't since we want to keep our guns. Thanks.

even if there was enough support nationally, our congresspeople wouldn't vote for it.

SevenTenths posted...

Banning things is very effective. That's why the war in drugs was so effective. Prohibition was a great success. Prostitution and sex trafficking has been eliminated. And Cuba doesn't exist anymore.

And people say "the UK got rid of guns" like that's supposed to have any relevance here.

The only solution to gun violence is literally everyone must open carry rocket launchers without permits.
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Demon1050 posted...

For every gun death they report on there's untold THOUSANDS of lives saved

i really want to believe you're being facetious here but i don't think so =/

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nemu posted...

It's always been a silly argument simply from a logistics standpoint of the number of guns in the country. Even without out the "muh guns!" crowd or people illegally crafting guns regardless, it'd be near impossible to physically collect them in any timely manner.

Remember the largest mass shooting in US history occurred when the government tried to take peoples guns.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wounded_Knee_Massacre

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YoungMan posted...

Marked for ripping off a chris rock joke

Banned 10,000 hours: drive-by joketheft + junior account phase

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The solution to gun violence is to remove the motivation to kill.

It's going to be a long, long time before we get this under control.

Instead of banning guns, why not just make it more like driving a car? Get a license that needs to be renewed every few years and throw in a mental health test or two.

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FortuneCookie posted...

The solution to gun violence is to remove the motivation to kill.

It's going to be a long, long time before we get this under control.

Lol what?

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https://youtu.be/Db0Y4qIZ4PA?t=172

LightHawKnight posted...

Instead of banning guns, why not just make it more like driving a car? Get a license that needs to be renewed every few years and throw in a mental health test or two.

Democrats have been trying to do something like this for years. 2A people flip their collective shit anytime we mention "license" or "background checks".

remember folks, the NRA is an organization that lobbies on behalf of gun manufacturers. their only goal is to be able to sell you as many guns as possible.

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Where you from where you say yall

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A gun ban would be absolutely devastating if implemented.

First off, do you want civil war? Because that's how you get civil war. We have exactly enough "much guns much freemdomz" winners in this country to take a revocation of the second ammendment as an open call to war.

It may not be an organized war. To call it a war at all may be giving it too much credit. But the headlines the next day would be "Tens of thousands dead nationwide in bullet-ridden standoffs with gun collection agents." They may lose against the military, but many will try. they see it as a God given duty to try. A blanket ban would quickly turn bloody if it came to enforcement.

"Well, incentivize it! Start a buyback program!"

yeah, because the people you're worried about having guns are totally going to give e them all to the government for $50 and an ice cream sandwich, or whatever asinine incentive they put in place. Hell, the people you really WANT to disarm are the ones who won't hand them over at any price.

"well, it works in england/australia!"

Yeah. because those countries never had a gun culture to start with. They didnt have a country that literally built up a national identity of based on owning guns and fighting off their oppressors with them. They didnt immortalize it 200 years ago as rule #2 in the Rules of Freedom.

The US also doesn't have the benefit of being a (relatively) small island nation, able to pretty effectively regulate what goes in and out of it. idk if you've noticed, but we've got a bit of a problem with the cartels. and if there's one thing the cartels like as much as their fuckin drugs, its their fuckin guns. prepare for THAT market to explode. Unless you crack down on borders, of course, which is a hot button issue in and of itself.

"Well those gun nut people are dumb!"

Thank you for your observation. Now that you're mad and shaking your fist about it, they will start being less dumb.

"well we have to do SOMETHING!"

I agree. But a ban ain't it, chief. It'd never work, not with the culture we have. And hate the culture all you like, its there. the issue has to be eroded, deescalated before elimination becomes possible. Regulate away; we need it. But a ban will inevitably end bloodily.

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To be clear, I don't know why people would want guns to be banned. Why punish law abiding gun owners? Not all of them are gun nuts.

We need regulations. Heavy regulations.

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People don't go out and shoot up places because it makes them feel tough or because guns make them feel empowered to kill. There are underlining issues ranging from failed masculinity, to paranoia, to general psychosis.

I believe one of the major contributors is the hard edge capitalist system we have in America. If you aren't willing or able to do high stress/low pay jobs for thankless people, it's fuck you. Sometimes if you are willing and able, the jobs simply aren't there or don't pay enough to get by on. Is socialism the answer? Maybe. I kinda hope there are other alternatives.

But the basic underlining issues are there. It's true that fewer people would die if these individuals were walking into buildings and stabbing people. But you'd still be seeing casualties. It's not enough to minimize the number of deaths and stick it to those gun-toting conservatives we dislike. We need to get to the root of these problems.

If you're comfortable with seeing stabbings rather than shootings to own the conservatives, then consult the genie of the lamp and wish guns away. Otherwise, you need to get at the root of the problems.