Current Events > Why do ppl get mad when DC superheroes kill but not when everyone in MCU does it

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like seriously. I've never seen one damn complaint by anyone about MCU regarding this. Funny isnt it.

Like literally almost every MCU villian that isn't Loki has been killed one way or another eventually. We also see operatives like Black Widow, Hawkeye, Winter Soldier and even Falcon kill quite indiscriminately without a care in the world, and yet ironically... they refuse to use guns.

Meanwhile others like Hulk, Thor, Ironman seem to only care when the world is about to end by aliens or some s***. Literally the only real respectable superhero in MCU is Spider-man

Just different takes on super heroes I guess. I'm not sure if no DC hero kills or if it's the big 2 batman and superman

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Wutobliteration posted...

like seriously. I've never seen one damn complaint by anyone about MCU regarding this. Funny isnt it.

Like literally almost every MCU villian that isn't Loki has been killed one way or another eventually. We also see operatives like Black Widow, Hawkeye, Winter Soldier and even Falcon kill quite indiscriminately without a care in the world, and yet ironically... they refuse to use guns.

Meanwhile others like Hulk, Thor, Ironman seem to only care when the world is about to end by aliens or some s***. Literally the only real respectable superhero in MCU is Spider-man

who also kills

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Marvel superheroes outside of Spiderman and a few street level heroes don't really have a no kill policy. Half of MCU heroes are literally military lol
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CouldBeAnAlt posted...

Just different takes on super heroes I guess. I'm not sure if no DC hero kills or if it's the big 2 batman and superman

Superheroes are superheroes because they DON'T kill. Otherwise, they'd be called an anti-hero like Deadpool is.

I was just watching Faclon & Winter Soldier and there's so many amount of times I'm pretty damn sure Wilson just killed a bunch of enemies by letting them drop to their deaths or on a road

Smashingpmkns posted...

Marvel superheroes outside of Spiderman and a few street level heroes don't really have a no kill policy. Half of MCU heroes are literally military lol

which is pretty funny as to why they're still using fists and legs to fight. I mean, they're working alongside soldiers and police officers that use real lethal guns to fight.

I never understood this one aspect in the Captain America mythos 'cos of this. It's just really, really... dumb. Even in the first Captain America movie, we do see Steve Rogers use a pistol at one time

Nobody stays dead except Uncle Ben. Even then, not very.

if a superhero kills their enemy during battle, it's one thing, because it's usually depicted in a way where they had no other choice.

but if they kill their enemy when they don't have to, like last week's episode of a certain show, it's another, even if their emotions are running hot since they're supposed to be held at a higher standard.

anyway, when it most stands out, it's when a superhero with a historical "no-kill" policy starts killing, like Batman in BvS.

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Because nobody in the MCU has a psuedo-philosophical stance against killing like Superman and Batman do (or should have, until Snyder shit all over it)
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g0ldie posted...

if a superhero kills their enemy during battle, it's one thing, because it's usually depicted in a way where they had no other choice.

but if they kill their enemy when they don't have to, like last week's episode of a certain show, it's another, even if their emotions are running hot since they're supposed to be held at a higher standard.

anyway, when it most stands out, it's when a superhero with a historical "no-kill" policy starts killing, like Batman in BvS.

I know what happened in episode 4, though I've only just started watching and can already see Falcon kill most of the freaking enemies in the sky. He literally just blew up a chopper man.

Sorry but this is dumb AF.

awesome999 posted...

Because nobody in the MCU has a psuedo-philosophical stance against killing like Superman and Batman do (or should have, until Snyder shit all over it)

then what makes them different from an anti-hero then? Like the Punisher or Deadpool?

Also why are you separating the MCU characters from the Marvel comic universe but somehow can't separate the DCCU from the DC comic universe?

Hypocrisy at its finest

Wutobliteration posted...

I know what happened in episode 4, though I've only just started watching and can already see Falcon kill most of the freaking enemies in the sky. He literally just blew up a chopper man.

Sorry but this is dumb AF.

Falcon is a solder first, and killed enemy combatants.

I know that he's now an Avenger, but idk if he's yet been established as a superhero.

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Wutobliteration posted...

which is pretty funny as to why they're still using fists and legs to fight. I mean, they're working alongside soldiers and police officers that use real lethal guns to fight.

I never understood this one aspect in the Captain America mythos 'cos of this. It's just really, really... dumb. Even in the first Captain America movie, we do see Steve Rogers use a pistol at one time

Guns aren't really "super". I'm pretty sure Black Widow uses a gun, and so does Hawkeye eventually tho

Neither are very "super" though
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g0ldie posted...

Falcon is a solder first, and killed enemy combatants.

I know that he's now an Avenger, but idk if he's yet been established as a superhero.

So isn't Walker no different as a soldier then? Why disapprove of his actions

Smashingpmkns posted...

Guns aren't really "super". I'm pretty sure Black Widow uses a gun, and so does Hawkeye eventually tho

Neither are very "super" though

And yet they're on the Avengers, alongside a reality-bending witch, an overpowered wizard, a walking tank machine, a spider-man with super strength, agility and webs, a giant green guy, and a thunder god immortal

he killed someone he'd beaten and who was surrending



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g0ldie posted...

he killed someone he'd beaten and who was surrending

It's not like the rest of the enemies have time to surrender before being kicked off a chopper, blown to bits or punched into brain damage death, do they

Wutobliteration posted...

then what makes them different from an anti-hero then? Like the Punisher or Deadpool?

Their goals, anti heroes have selfish goals, like Deadpool massacring guys for revenge, MCU characters do what they do for the greater good, like saving the world

Wutobliteration posted...

Also why are you separating the MCU characters from the Marvel comic universe but somehow can't separate the DCCU from the DC comic universe?

Most Marvel characters don't have no killing has a fundamental doctrine like Batman does, even in the comics. Iron Man, for example, kills rarely as a last resort, while Batman never does, because that's who Iron Man and Batman are
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Wutobliteration posted...

It's not like the rest of the enemies have time to surrender before being kicked off a chopper, blown to bits or punched into brain damage death, do they

They don't because they aren't running away, they are actively trying to kill the guys that they are killed by. It is a self preservation situation.

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Falcon and the Winter Soldier spoilers:

Wutobliteration posted...

So isn't Walker no different as a soldier then? Why disapprove of his actions

Bruh, what Walker did is a literal war crime.

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Wutobliteration posted...

It's not like the rest of the enemies have time to surrender before being kicked off a chopper, blown to bits or punched into brain damage death, do they

I forget the context of that scene, but it was something about going over a country's airspace, which wouldn't be good for them because it meant they had to let the terrorists go, or something like that.

anyway, Falcon had a tight window to accomplish his mission and none of the terrorists were backing down/surrending.

if it was the same scene, and one of them was crying asking him to save him from the crashing chopper, for example, and Falcon still let him die, then he would have been seen in a more negative light

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awesome999 posted...

Their goals, anti heroes have selfish goals, like Deadpool massacring guys for revenge, MCU characters do what they do for the greater good, like saving the world

Like working for the US government is working for the greater good all the time?

Also that's flawed logic, as we also see with Batman. You spare the enemies and they just come back eventually. Stronger than ever. This is why the superhero universe is full of never-ending chaos. Because they never kill their effin' villians. Imagine how many millions lives would have been saved by now if not for Joker just being dead already.

Most Marvel characters don't have no killing has a fundamental doctrine like Batman does, even in the comics. Iron Man, for example, kills rarely as a last resort, while Batman never does, because that's who Iron Man and Batman are

dude, Iron Man was busy killing terrorists and blowing up people since the first movie

Wutobliteration posted...

And yet they're on the Avengers, alongside a reality-bending witch, an overpowered wizard, a walking tank machine, a spider-man with super strength, agility and webs, a giant green guy, and a thunder god immortal

Yeah I'm not seeing how thats a problem
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Smashingpmkns posted...

Yeah I'm not seeing how thats a problem

basically they aren't superheroes.

They kill. They act as operatives under an agency. They are not super-powered.

You could literally remove Black Widow from Avengers and nothing would change, except that last part where she sacrifices herself for Hawkeye, but anyone can fill in that role

It's mainly just Batman and Superman, who both have pretty staunch no-kill rules.

It makes more sense for Superman, since he could wipe out the entire planet over a single Tuesday afternoon if he was so inclined.

Makes much less sense for Batman, who's rouges include murdering psychopaths constantly enabled by a corrupt police force and a farce of a mental health institution. Jason Todd was right. >_>

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Wutobliteration posted...

Also that's flawed logic, as we also see with Batman. You spare the enemies and they just come back eventually. Stronger than ever. This is why the superhero universe is full of never-ending chaos. Because they never kill their effin' villians. Imagine how many millions lives would have been saved by now if not for Joker just being dead already.

What would the stories be about after Batman killed all the super villains?


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I think with Batman is because that is a part of who he is. He literally goes after heroes who kill people in many situations. He could have killed the Joker and world would have been a better place. But in BvS Batman not only kills people but he is a murderer.
Those guys on the Doctors . Batman started killing them first. So when they fired back it was still murder on Batman's part. And he did this to steal a rock so he could once more Murder someone in cold blood.

AlisLandale posted...

Jason Todd was right. >_>

Damn Right .

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Batman is held to a higher standard because a huge part of his character is him holding HIMSELF to that standard. It's his rule and he's one of the few who abide by it. Since he's the most popular character in the DCU(arguably of course) and is one of the posterboys, that's what it sticks.

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g0ldie posted...

anyway, when it most stands out, it's when a superhero with a historical "no-kill" policy starts killing, like Batman in BvS.

Almost every superhero has a no-kill policy.

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Shablagoo posted...

What would the stories be about after Batman killed all the super villains?

Him being Bruce Wayne and peace in Gotham finally. duh,