Poll of the Day > Neo-Nazis planning demonstration in Phoenix

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Njord posted...

Because escalation. I'm not saying it will escalate, but it can. You can avoid the whole issue by not going. Watch a movie about nazi killing if you hate them so much.

Do you think Nazis advocating for genocide could escalate to genocide

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Njord posted...

Because escalation. I'm not saying it will escalate, but it can. You can avoid the whole issue by not going. Watch a movie about nazi killing if you hate them so much.

Well I'd like to take this time to tell you that murder is illegal.

I know you probably weren't planning on murdering anyone today, but I wanted to remind you just in case.

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so weird how people on gamefaqs always find a way to defend nazis lmao

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Njord posted...

I'm not ignoring her right to be there.

You're not exactly mentioning it.

Njord posted...

I have the right to attend or counterprotest a BLM or SJW protest, but I'm not going to go there because I have other things to do and also just don't care.

Would you be similarly critical of those who did care enough to do so?

Njord posted...

Nope, but it's been 10-15 years since I've taken a class on 20th Century European History so I couldn't begin to tell you what I learned as I've phased it out of my mind. Care to remind me what I'm missing or forgetting and how it relates to 20th Century European History?

Well, if you paid a little more attention, you might remember an obscure event called "World War 2" that happened largely because a bunch of Nazis were being Nazis and the rest of Europe decided to "be the bigger man" and "let them do their thing." And then a whole bunch of people got hurt and were sad and Europe realized they'd made a mistake, but by then, the Nazis had power and it was a whole lot harder to stop them.

When you let Nazis "do their thing," people get hurt. They might not be hurting anyone right away, but the ideology demands that they do, so any apparent peacefulness is merely a ruse to help them reach a position of sufficient power to do that. It is the moral responsibility of anyone that hasn't forgotten history to shut them down before it gets to that point. Permit them to speak, sure, but don't let them or anyone else forget that they are trash garbage, because if they do, that's when the problems start. Stamp them out before the infestation becomes entrenched.

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adjl posted...

The fact that you're using "free speech is a right!" to defend literal goddamned Nazis while refusing to accept it as a defense for criticizing literal goddamned Nazis

hes gotta be trolling

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DirtBasedSoap posted...

hes gotta be zeus

Fixd

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he actually responds in a similar way as Zeus does, wouldn't be surprised if it was him

what a goonie

Blightzkrieg posted...

Do you think Nazis advocating for genocide could escalate to genocide

Of course not, but they can't be held responsible for the actions of others. I could advocate for free ponies for everyone, but that doesn't mean we're all going to get a free pony. Now, if someone is inspired by them to do things, the responsibility and guilt lies with the person who committed these actions.

Sarcasthma posted...

Well I'd like to take this time to tell you that murder is illegal.

I know you probably weren't planning on murdering anyone today, but I wanted to remind you just in case.

Thank you for the heads-up. I'll be sure to be extra vigilant.

OrangeDawn posted...

so weird how people on gamefaqs always find a way to defend nazis lmao

Again, I'm not defending them.

adjl posted...

You're not exactly mentioning it.

Would you be similarly critical of those who did care enough to do so?

No, I've already said that Jen has every right to be there. I'm just saying that just because she can, doesn't mean she should. I have every right to go walking around South Central Los Angeles while wearing red and blue colored-clothing, but that doesn't mean I should.

Probably? Depends on what I feel like doing.

Njord posted...

Probably? Depends on what I feel like doing.

good way of saying "i like to be critical only when my views are being challenged"

adjl posted...

Well, if you paid a little more attention, you might remember an obscure event called "World War 2" that happened largely because a bunch of Nazis were being Nazis and the rest of Europe decided to "be the bigger man" and "let them do their thing." And then a whole bunch of people got hurt and were sad and Europe realized they'd made a mistake, but by then, the Nazis had power and it was a whole lot harder to stop them.

When you let Nazis "do their thing," people get hurt. They might not be hurting anyone right away, but the ideology demands that they do, so any apparent peacefulness is merely a ruse to help them reach a position of sufficient power to do that. It is the moral responsibility of anyone that hasn't forgotten history to shut them down before it gets to that point. Permit them to speak, sure, but don't let them or anyone else forget that they are trash garbage, because if they do, that's when the problems start. Stamp them out before the infestation becomes entrenched.

Oh, you were referring to World War 2. Of course. You see, the difference between the events that led to World War 2 and today, is that we have policies and law enforcement agencies set up to ensure that large groups with followings like the National Socialist German Workers' Party doesn't happen again. But that's not the responsibility of the public. That's the responsibility of the federal government and law enforcement agencies.

DirtBasedSoap posted...

hes gotta be trolling

Not trolling. Like I've said before.

Blightzkrieg posted...

Fixd

sodium-chloride posted...

he actually responds in a similar way as Zeus does, wouldn't be surprised if it was him

what a goonie

Again, I'm not Zeus. Is it too hard to believe that two people share the same beliefs and posting styles?

sodium-chloride posted...

good way of saying "i like to be critical only when my views are being challenged"

No. I just don't feel like spending a ton of time just posting replies online to a message board.

Njord posted...

No. I just don't feel like spending a ton of time just posting replies online to a message board.

Right on Mr. Better-Than-Everyone, sounds like you could save yourself a lot of time if you stuck to your feelings.

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I don't like responding on message boards!!!

Where's my Maury lie detector gif

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Njord loves Nazis. Nazi-Njord will be his new name.

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Just stay home and placated, the amazing 21st century USA government and police forces have systemic Nazi prevention laws!!!

Lmfao

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Njord posted...

You see, the difference between the events that led to World War 2 and today, is that we have policies and law enforcement agencies set up to ensure that large groups with followings like the National Socialist German Workers' Party doesn't happen again. But that's not the responsibility of the public. That's the responsibility of the federal government and law enforcement agencies.

And which policies would those be? Laws exist to prohibit violence, certainly, but not to prohibit policies from being put in place that erode or erase the rights of certain groups. Heck, Trump got elected after suggesting that Muslims should be registered to prevent Islamic terror attacks (which, fortunately, did not translate into actual policy).

The Nazi party did not start out by murdering Jews in the streets. They started by appealing to people who just wanted to Make Germany Great Again and pointing fingers at scapegoats. They didn't actually start hurting those scapegoats until they were in power and had convinced enough other people to be mad at them to not mind, by which point there were no longer laws or policies to prevent them from doing so.

Letting Nazis (and their ilk) speak unopposed is dangerous. Let them speak, sure, but make sure to tell them and everyone else in earshot what garbage they are for saying such things. Staying silent only gives them more power.

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https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/319473.The_Coming_of_the_Third_Reich

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ArvTheGreat posted...

Nazis dont exist anymore. Anyone who calls themselves nazis arent real nazis

Are semantics important here? They're people who want to be nazis. That's a concern even if they aren't in a literal sense part of a specific historical german political party. That's what the whole "neo" part means, that they aren't literally from the historical nazi party but are basically nazis in belief.

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DragonClaw01 posted...

Yeah, that is pretty much what happens ever since the Charlottesville. Neo nazis are pretty dumb, but even they realize that going to these things is only going to get them doxxed and beat up by antifa agents while the cops watch on.

For instance, they just had a march for white lives event recently in Santa Barbara and there was maybe 100 counter protesters and not even a single white supremacist. I wouldn't doubt it was the FBI organizing most of these as some type of honeypot, since the announcements come from nowhere and there is little popular backing or attendence for these, which you would typically expect from a grassroots movement

I just forgot that we need to point and laugh at this fantasy statement.

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Drove by the Capitol and it's completely inaccessible

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Sorry to ruin the fun but I just blocked zeus' alt

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Njord posted...

OMG, another person replies to people the same and thinks similarly - IT MUST BE THE SAME PERSON!

This is such a Zeus thing to say

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MyMainAccount posted...

I believe that honest discussion and empathy can help facilitate communication and greater understanding between people than insults and ridicule.

But these guys are fucking nazis they goddamn well know what they're doing, this isn't some kind of honest mistake, "oops I don't realize nazis were bad, the only thing that indicated this to me in the past was everything ever". These guys have chosen their side. Annoy the hell out of them with a counter protest.

this might help, ok?

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He made a second topic, just reported it as a spam topic as we have an active one on the subject and dont need two

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I responded but tossed them on ignore.

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I blocked the dude last night you are all just copying me

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Mead posted...

I blocked the dude last night you are all just copying me

Maybe Zeus will out himself.

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I could only find one article on it right now:
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2021/04/17/strength-unity-march-arizona-capitol-rescheduled-due-neo-nazi-rally/7268565002/

"A rally by a group widely classified as a neo-Nazi organization at the Arizona Capitol on Saturday was largely uneventful, with counter-protesters greatly outnumbering others in attendance."

Weird I drove down there around that time and didn't see anything. I wonder where they were. Maybe somewhere cars couldn't reach.

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I thought about driving down there to check it out, but I got my 2nd Pfizer yesterday and the body aches are keeping me on the couch.

Captain_Drek posted...

I thought about driving down there to check it out, but I got my 2nd Pfizer yesterday and the body aches are keeping me on the couch.

Oh, you're in PHX? Whaddup you ready for it to be hot as balls and have no more rain til next year

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Jen0125 posted...

Oh, you're in PHX? Whaddup you ready for it to be hot as balls and have no more rain til next year

Yeah, born and raised.
What rain did we get this year so far? lol
Best part of last year was staying inside for the majority of the time I usually question why I live here.

Captain_Drek posted...

Yeah, born and raised.
What rain did we get this year so far? lol
Best part of last year was staying inside for the majority of the time I usually question why I live here.

Idk about you but we got rain at my house once in March

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Jen0125 posted...

Weird I drove down there around that time and didn't see anything. I wonder where they were. Maybe somewhere cars couldn't reach.

There was a picture of them in the article. It looked like they were hanging around the park. Different crowd than I was expecting. It was less American History X and more an AARP convention. I guess only geriatric boomers attend these neo nazi conventions now a days, although there wasn't too many as expected.

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Mead posted...

Y'know what I think would be cool? Making "Homage to Catalonia" required reading. 1984 is too open to interpretation apparently.

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ClarkDuke posted...

this might help, ok?

You didn't read the second paragraph of my post did you

Let me summarize both paragraphs in one sentence

Communication and understanding is great but they're nazis so fuck them

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MyMainAccount posted...

You didn't read the second paragraph of my post did you

of course i did, ok?

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Then I don't follow your suggestion

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MyMainAccount posted...

Then I don't follow your suggestion. Communication is important in theory, but in practice obvious bad faith actors don't need to be taken seriously. You disagree with that?

i think we are having two separate conversations, as i never suggested bad faith actors be taken seriously, ok?

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I'm surprised nazi organizations aren't suing movie and game companies for portraying them in a bad light

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CarefreeDude posted...

I'm surprised nazi organizations aren't suing movie and game companies for portraying them in a bad light

not suing, but this happened recently

https://twitter.com/DistantValhalla/status/1383422774652260354

it's a closed PR account for a game where the villains are nazi magicians. lol twitter

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ClarkDuke posted...

i think we are having two separate conversations, as i never suggested bad faith actors be taken seriously, ok?

I was under the impression you posted thar because you thought I had done so.

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CarefreeDude posted...

I'm surprised nazi organizations aren't suing movie and game companies for portraying them in a bad light

Are you kidding? They eat up the more dramatic portrayals. It's why we need their portrayals to be more cartoonish or bafoonery, like is seen in Jojo Rabbit. Take the wind out of their sails.

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agesboy posted...

not suing, but this happened recently

https://twitter.com/DistantValhalla/status/1383422774652260354

it's a closed PR account for a game where the villains are nazi magicians. lol twitter

Of course, Twitter doesn't actually care about Nazis, they're just racist against Germans

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Jen0125 posted...

Captain_Drek posted...
Yeah, born and raised.
What rain did we get this year so far? lol
Best part of last year was staying inside for the majority of the time I usually question why I live here.

Idk about you but we got rain at my house once in March

The day after talking about how it never rains it sprinkles for all of five seconds near me and then it fucks off again.
Leave it to Phoenix

Why are we still capitalising that word?

If Im talking about the Liberal Party supporters, I use lowercase, as per proper English grammar and punctuation.

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Freaking hell. Haven't the Neo-Nazi's realized from the countless games, movies, books, and everything that they have to be literally stacked up against Nazi ZOMBIES to seem like 'the good guys' and even then they're treated like only being barely one step better? I hope a freak rainshower appears to ruin their event and they get laughed and mocked into the ocean. They didn't even get a permit and you'd think that would clue them in that things aren't going well.

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being culturally isolated makes their echo chamber louder

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