Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 371: 13 Years Old, Mature Enough for FOX and Gaetz

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xp1337 04/21/21 4:58:47 AM #201:	GuessMyUserName posted... dude's literally snapping tonight https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1384688301962141697 wtf is that sudden cackle what the fuck --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:953063897] in Politics C... [t:79408438]...</cite> <quote>GuessMyUserName posted... </cite> <quote>dude's literally snapping tonight https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1384688301962141697 wtf is that sudden cackle</quote>what the fuck </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 04/21/21 6:36:33 AM #202:	Talk about unhinged --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:953065030] in Politics C... [t:79408438]...</cite> <quote>Talk about unhinged </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mega Mana 04/21/21 10:05:29 AM #203:	Pause after the laugh. Look at the anger in his eyes as he ends the interview abruptly. --- "In my headcanon, some staffer saw Trump pull out his phone and start typing so they just Terry Tate Office Linebacker'd him out of his shoes." - FFD <cite>Mega Mana posted [p:953068691] in Politics C... [t:79408438]...</cite> <quote>Pause after the laugh. Look at the anger in his eyes as he ends the interview abruptly. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 04/21/21 10:47:27 AM #204:	This drives me up a wall. YES, they do. A lot of departments do. Why is this only being opened up after a guilty verdict in this case? This feels like such a minor band-aid feel good solution. https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1384878841408081928?s=19 --- I stream sometimes. Check it out! www.twitch.tv/heroicbiz/ <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:953069947] in Politics C... [t:79408438]...</cite> <quote>This drives me up a wall. YES, they do. A lot of departments do. Why is this only being opened up after a guilty verdict in this case? This feels like such a minor band-aid feel good solution. https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1384878841408081928?s=19 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 04/21/21 10:56:27 AM #205:	PrivateBiscuit1 posted... This drives me up a wall. YES, they do. A lot of departments do. Why is this only being opened up after a guilty verdict in this case? This feels like such a minor band-aid feel good solution. https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1384878841408081928?s=19 Have they literally not ever once heard of stop and frisk? Broken windows? Come on. I'm usually more accepting of the investigative and committee process than others but this is absolutely a braindead case where we already know the answer. --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:953070238] in Politics C... [t:79408438]...</cite> <quote>PrivateBiscuit1 posted... </cite> <quote>This drives me up a wall. YES, they do. A lot of departments do. Why is this only being opened up after a guilty verdict in this case? This feels like such a minor band-aid feel good solution. https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1384878841408081928?s=19</quote> Have they literally not ever once heard of stop and frisk? Broken windows? Come on. I'm usually more accepting of the investigative and committee process than others but this is absolutely a braindead case where we already know the answer. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 04/21/21 11:22:23 AM #206:	HeroDelTiempo17 posted... Have they literally not ever once heard of stop and frisk? Broken windows? Come on. I'm usually more accepting of the investigative and committee process than others but this is absolutely a braindead case where we already know the answer. No no no, that's the thing. THEY ALL KNOW. This isn't some kind of secret or they're oblivious. They ALL know about this. Our fucking Vice President absolutely does, without a shadow of a doubt. And their solution here is "Well we really should look into this ONE department to see if this is a common occurrence." Fuck you. Work on widespread changes and not this performative bullshit. --- I stream sometimes. Check it out! www.twitch.tv/heroicbiz/ <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:953071045] in Politics C... [t:79408438]...</cite> <quote>HeroDelTiempo17 posted... </cite> <quote>Have they literally not ever once heard of stop and frisk? Broken windows? Come on. I'm usually more accepting of the investigative and committee process than others but this is absolutely a braindead case where we already know the answer.</quote>No no no, that's the thing. THEY ALL KNOW. This isn't some kind of secret or they're oblivious. They ALL know about this. Our fucking Vice President absolutely does, without a shadow of a doubt. And their solution here is "Well we really should look into this ONE department to see if this is a common occurrence." Fuck you. Work on widespread changes and not this performative bullshit. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crescent-Moon 04/21/21 12:00:58 PM #207:	Since all the crimes he was found guilty of stemmed from the same act, the sentences are to be served concurrently. So, basically, the latter two charges aren't relevant here, just the Murder 2. There's already five aggravating factors they intend to use to increase Chauvin's sentence from the mandatory minimum of 12.5 years, and possibly more to come. The victim, being cuffed, was in an especially vulnerable position The act was abnormally cruel Children witnessed the crime He abused his authority to commit the murder He committed the murder in a group of three or more. --- So a planet's somewhere out there, their history the same as ours is written. The only difference is that... Everyone's a kitten! <cite>Crescent-Moon posted [p:953072373] in Politics C... [t:79408438]...</cite> <quote>Since all the crimes he was found guilty of stemmed from the same act, the sentences are to be served concurrently. So, basically, the latter two charges aren't relevant here, just the Murder 2. There's already five aggravating factors they intend to use to increase Chauvin's sentence from the mandatory minimum of 12.5 years, and possibly more to come. The victim, being cuffed, was in an especially vulnerable position The act was abnormally cruel Children witnessed the crime He abused his authority to commit the murder He committed the murder in a group of three or more. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 04/21/21 12:11:13 PM #208:	PrivateBiscuit1 posted... No no no, that's the thing. THEY ALL KNOW. This isn't some kind of secret or they're oblivious. They ALL know about this. Our fucking Vice President absolutely does, without a shadow of a doubt. And their solution here is "Well we really should look into this ONE department to see if this is a common occurrence." Fuck you. Work on widespread changes and not this performative bullshit. yeah I guess I know they know it's just frustrating that I don't know if they know we know they know, you know? --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:953072738] in Politics C... [t:79408438]...</cite> <quote>PrivateBiscuit1 posted... </cite> <quote>No no no, that's the thing. THEY ALL KNOW. This isn't some kind of secret or they're oblivious. They ALL know about this. Our fucking Vice President absolutely does, without a shadow of a doubt. And their solution here is "Well we really should look into this ONE department to see if this is a common occurrence." Fuck you. Work on widespread changes and not this performative bullshit.</quote> yeah I guess I know they know it's just frustrating that I don't know if they know we know they know, you know? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crescent-Moon 04/21/21 12:14:03 PM #209:	There's Democratic and GOP collaboration in the Senate for getting something passed within the next month, but we'll have to see what comes of it. There does seem to be enough people on both sides who don't want to see cops commit serious crimes and get away with them, so there's at least that. Like it's absurdly overdue but it's there. --- So a planet's somewhere out there, their history the same as ours is written. The only difference is that... Everyone's a kitten! <cite>Crescent-Moon posted [p:953072832] in Politics C... [t:79408438]...</cite> <quote>There's Democratic and GOP collaboration in the Senate for getting something passed within the next month, but we'll have to see what comes of it. There does seem to be enough people on both sides who don't want to see cops commit serious crimes and get away with them, so there's at least that. Like it's absurdly overdue but it's there. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 04/21/21 12:31:14 PM #210:	Crescent-Moon posted... There's Democratic and GOP collaboration in the Senate for getting something passed within the next month, but we'll have to see what comes of it. There does seem to be enough people on both sides who don't want to see cops commit serious crimes and get away with them, so there's at least that. Like it's absurdly overdue but it's there. 0% faith this is good intentioned in any way and not just another ACA style "GOP tries to water it down by pretending that maybe it can be a bipartisan bill then they all oppose it anyway leaving Dems to pass some watered down shit by themselves when if they knew that's how they'd have to pass it those concessions wouldn't have been made." thing. Edit: Assuming this is some response/modification to the George Floyd Justice in Policing Act, that is. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:953073425] in Politics C... [t:79408438]...</cite> <quote>Crescent-Moon posted... </cite> <quote>There's Democratic and GOP collaboration in the Senate for getting something passed within the next month, but we'll have to see what comes of it. There does seem to be enough people on both sides who don't want to see cops commit serious crimes and get away with them, so there's at least that. Like it's absurdly overdue but it's there.</quote>0% faith this is good intentioned in any way and not just another ACA style "GOP tries to water it down by pretending that maybe it can be a bipartisan bill then they all oppose it anyway leaving Dems to pass some watered down shit by themselves when if they knew that's how they'd have to pass it those concessions wouldn't have been made." thing. Edit: Assuming this is some response/modification to the George Floyd Justice in Policing Act, that is. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crescent-Moon 04/21/21 12:38:00 PM #211:	There's a big difference this time that may result in a more effective outcome though. We just had a very high profile guilty verdict, and most of the Ultra Consecutive nutjobs are keeping their mouth shut at the moment. If nothing of any consequence happens now, it's never going to happen. --- So a planet's somewhere out there, their history the same as ours is written. The only difference is that... Everyone's a kitten! <cite>Crescent-Moon posted [p:953073631] in Politics C... [t:79408438]...</cite> <quote>There's a big difference this time that may result in a more effective outcome though. We just had a very high profile guilty verdict, and most of the Ultra Consecutive nutjobs are keeping their mouth shut at the moment. If nothing of any consequence happens now, it's never going to happen. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 04/21/21 12:43:27 PM #212:	Crescent-Moon posted... it's never going to happen. Ding ding ding --- It's Reyn Time. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:953073812] in Politics C... [t:79408438]...</cite> <quote>Crescent-Moon posted... </cite> <quote>it's never going to happen.</quote>Ding ding ding </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 04/21/21 12:44:39 PM #213:	xp1337 posted... 0% faith this is good intentioned in any way and not just another ACA style "GOP tries to water it down by pretending that maybe it can be a bipartisan bill then they all oppose it anyway leaving Dems to pass some watered down shit by themselves when if they knew that's how they'd have to pass it those concessions wouldn't have been made." thing. Edit: Assuming this is some response/modification to the George Floyd Justice in Policing Act, that is. Don't fool yourself that a lot of Dems actually want this too. A lot of them are where they are because of police union support: see Kamala Harris, former Senator and current Vice President. --- I stream sometimes. Check it out! www.twitch.tv/heroicbiz/ <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:953073843] in Politics C... [t:79408438]...</cite> <quote>xp1337 posted... </cite> <quote>0% faith this is good intentioned in any way and not just another ACA style "GOP tries to water it down by pretending that maybe it can be a bipartisan bill then they all oppose it anyway leaving Dems to pass some watered down shit by themselves when if they knew that's how they'd have to pass it those concessions wouldn't have been made." thing. Edit: Assuming this is some response/modification to the George Floyd Justice in Policing Act, that is.</quote>Don't fool yourself that a lot of Dems actually want this too. A lot of them are where they are because of police union support: see Kamala Harris, former Senator and current Vice President. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 04/21/21 12:46:04 PM #214:	Whether they want to deep in their hearts I believe they 100% would vote for it on the floor for political self-interest which in the end is the important thing. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:953073894] in Politics C... [t:79408438]...</cite> <quote>Whether they want to deep in their hearts I believe they 100% would vote for it on the floor for political self-interest which in the end is the important thing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crescent-Moon 04/21/21 12:51:52 PM #215:	xp1337 posted... Whether they want to deep in their hearts I believe they 100% would vote for it on the floor for political self-interest which in the end is the important thing. Yep. And political self-interest in this issue is at an all-time high, which is why I think we will see something out of it that's at least worth something. --- So a planet's somewhere out there, their history the same as ours is written. The only difference is that... Everyone's a kitten! <cite>Crescent-Moon posted [p:953074133] in Politics C... [t:79408438]...</cite> <quote>xp1337 posted... </cite> <quote>Whether they want to deep in their hearts I believe they 100% would vote for it on the floor for political self-interest which in the end is the important thing.</quote>Yep. And political self-interest in this issue is at an all-time high, which is why I think we will see something out of it that's at least worth something. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xeybozn 04/21/21 12:52:34 PM #216:	I feel like Chauvin getting convicted actually makes it less likely that any real change happens. It'll be easy to use his conviction as an argument that the current system is fine. A "bad cop" getting punished means people will think "bad cops" already get punished and changing things will just hurt the "good cops". --- Congrats to 2020 GotD Guru champ azuarc! <cite>Xeybozn posted [p:953074145] in Politics C... [t:79408438]...</cite> <quote>I feel like Chauvin getting convicted actually makes it less likely that any real change happens. It'll be easy to use his conviction as an argument that the current system is fine. A "bad cop" getting punished means people will think "bad cops" already get punished and changing things will just hurt the "good cops".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 04/21/21 12:53:34 PM #217:	xp1337 posted... Whether they want to deep in their hearts I believe they 100% would vote for it on the floor for political self-interest which in the end is the important thing. Crescent-Moon posted... Yep. And political self-interest in this issue is at an all-time high, which is why I think we will see something out of it that's at least worth something. I could not disagree more. A cop got convicted! the system is working --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:953074181] in Politics C... [t:79408438]...</cite> <quote>xp1337 posted... </cite> <quote>Whether they want to deep in their hearts I believe they 100% would vote for it on the floor for political self-interest which in the end is the important thing.</quote> Crescent-Moon posted... </cite> <quote>Yep. And political self-interest in this issue is at an all-time high, which is why I think we will see something out of it that's at least worth something.</quote> I could not disagree more. A cop got convicted! the system is working </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 04/21/21 1:08:01 PM #218:	Crescent-Moon posted... There's a big difference this time that may result in a more effective outcome though. We just had a very high profile guilty verdict, and most of the Ultra Consecutive nutjobs are keeping their mouth shut at the moment. If nothing of any consequence happens now, it's never going to happen. I mean the thing is that the bill already exists. The George Floyd Justice in Policing Act. We know what's in it and it largely isn't enough. It DOES end qualified immunity which is great but everything else is a pretty small step. For example, they mandate body cams for federal officers but not every officer. They limit but do not end transferring military equipment to police departments. They mandate the same use of force restrictions that cops have routinely ignored. And it's already passed in the house and would have to get past the Senate so it can really only get watered down from where it started. You can talk about political self-interest and incentives but I don't think there IS currently any incentive to go any further. Second part of the issue is that it's honestly pretty unclear how much power the federal government has over local precincts and to some extent this has to be a bottom-up change. --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:953074703] in Politics C... [t:79408438]...</cite> <quote>Crescent-Moon posted... </cite> <quote>There's a big difference this time that may result in a more effective outcome though. We just had a very high profile guilty verdict, and most of the Ultra Consecutive nutjobs are keeping their mouth shut at the moment. If nothing of any consequence happens now, it's never going to happen.</quote> I mean the thing is that the bill already exists. The George Floyd Justice in Policing Act. We know what's in it and it largely isn't enough. It DOES end qualified immunity which is great but everything else is a pretty small step. For example, they mandate body cams for federal officers but not every officer. They limit but do not end transferring military equipment to police departments. They mandate the same use of force restrictions that cops have routinely ignored. And it's already passed in the house and would have to get past the Senate so it can really only get watered down from where it started. You can talk about political self-interest and incentives but I don't think there IS currently any incentive to go any further. Second part of the issue is that it's honestly pretty unclear how much power the federal government has over local precincts and to some extent this has to be a bottom-up change. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 04/21/21 1:38:16 PM #219:	re: Healthcare System https://twitter.com/Struggle_Tweet/status/1384907768931487745?s=20 --- I stream sometimes. Check it out! www.twitch.tv/heroicbiz/ <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:953075788] in Politics C... [t:79408438]...</cite> <quote>re: Healthcare System https://twitter.com/Struggle_Tweet/status/1384907768931487745?s=20 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterplum 04/21/21 1:44:33 PM #220:	Make doctors licences optional so hospitals have actual competition. ... Not actually joking --- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdWiElvIQAAQpBt.jpg <cite>masterplum posted [p:953076023] in Politics C... [t:79408438]...</cite> <quote>Make doctors licences optional so hospitals have actual competition. ... Not actually joking </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 04/21/21 1:47:11 PM #221:	Crescent-Moon posted... most of the Ultra Consecutive nutjobs are keeping their mouth shut at the moment. Uh, you sure about that? They seem to be, in Tucker's case, losing their minds. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:953076120] in Politics C... [t:79408438]...</cite> <quote>Crescent-Moon posted... </cite> <quote>most of the Ultra Consecutive nutjobs are keeping their mouth shut at the moment.</quote> Uh, you sure about that? They seem to be, in Tucker's case, losing their minds. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 04/21/21 1:49:10 PM #222:	PrivateBiscuit1 posted... re: Healthcare System https://twitter.com/Struggle_Tweet/status/1384907768931487745?s=20 Snitches get stitches And each stitch costs $5000 --- It's Reyn Time. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:953076184] in Politics C... [t:79408438]...</cite> <quote>PrivateBiscuit1 posted... </cite> <quote>re: Healthcare System https://twitter.com/Struggle_Tweet/status/1384907768931487745?s=20</quote>Snitches get stitches And each stitch costs $5000 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dancedreamer 04/21/21 1:55:44 PM #223:	masterplum posted... Make doctors licences optional so hospitals have actual competition. ... Not actually joking That's a really good idea! That way, rich people can get good medical care with no waiting lines, and poor people can get fucked over by sub-standard care by the newly opened Trump Hospital, where all Doctors got their Degrees from Trump University. They swear by the 'Just Drink Bleach' Method of killing Germs. proven to kill all bacteria (and patients too!) --- This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes! ~Alexandra <cite>Dancedreamer posted [p:953076403] in Politics C... [t:79408438]...</cite> <quote>masterplum posted... </cite> <quote>Make doctors licences optional so hospitals have actual competition. ... Not actually joking</quote> That's a really good idea! That way, rich people can get good medical care with no waiting lines, and poor people can get fucked over by sub-standard care by the newly opened Trump Hospital, where all Doctors got their Degrees from Trump University. They swear by the 'Just Drink Bleach' Method of killing Germs. proven to kill all bacteria (and patients too!) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xeybozn 04/21/21 2:03:29 PM #224:	Now I'm actually curious about how much of an issue doctor salaries are in regards America's high medical spending. I could be wrong, but I don't think that's the reason why we pay so much more for everything. --- Congrats to 2020 GotD Guru champ azuarc! <cite>Xeybozn posted [p:953076682] in Politics C... [t:79408438]...</cite> <quote>Now I'm actually curious about how much of an issue doctor salaries are in regards America's high medical spending. I could be wrong, but I don't think that's the reason why we pay so much more for everything.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 04/21/21 2:10:53 PM #225:	Xeybozn posted... Now I'm actually curious about how much of an issue doctor salaries are in regards America's high medical spending. I could be wrong, but I don't think that's the reason why we pay so much more for everything. Most of our expense is accrued in charging ridiculous amounts of money for use of medical equipment, like some places charging $2000 a day just to use a bed. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:953076941] in Politics C... [t:79408438]...</cite> <quote>Xeybozn posted... </cite> <quote>Now I'm actually curious about how much of an issue doctor salaries are in regards America's high medical spending. I could be wrong, but I don't think that's the reason why we pay so much more for everything.</quote> Most of our expense is accrued in charging ridiculous amounts of money for use of medical equipment, like some places charging $2000 a day just to use a bed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NFUN 04/21/21 2:11:53 PM #226:	Xeybozn posted... Now I'm actually curious about how much of an issue doctor salaries are in regards America's high medical spending. I could be wrong, but I don't think that's the reason why we pay so much more for everything. How many people do you think an average hospital doctor treats a day? --- Kneel... or you will be knelt <cite>NFUN posted [p:953076982] in Politics C... [t:79408438]...</cite> <quote>Xeybozn posted...</cite> <quote>Now I'm actually curious about how much of an issue doctor salaries are in regards America's high medical spending. I could be wrong, but I don't think that's the reason why we pay so much more for everything.</quote> How many people do you think an average hospital doctor treats a day?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RaidenGarai 04/21/21 2:38:48 PM #227:	TheRock1525 posted... Most of our expense is accrued in charging ridiculous amounts of money for use of medical equipment, like some places charging $2000 a day just to use a bed. Back in 2006 when I was starting my job, we learned that hospitals would charge $15 for the use of a tongue depressor. I don't want to know how much that is now. --- Epic Seven IGN ZeroThe13th <cite>RaidenGarai posted [p:953077883] in Politics C... [t:79408438]...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted... </cite> <quote>Most of our expense is accrued in charging ridiculous amounts of money for use of medical equipment, like some places charging $2000 a day just to use a bed.</quote>Back in 2006 when I was starting my job, we learned that hospitals would charge $15 for the use of a tongue depressor. I don't want to know how much that is now. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 04/21/21 3:02:35 PM #228:	Access to medical equipment and machinery is a big part of hospital expenses and while it doesn't excuse overcharging for dumb shit it's just another contribution to why hospitals are forced to struggle to make a profit. Also why this free market scheme makes no sense. You still need millions in capital even with this plan to save on labor by getting people who don't know what the fuck they're doing. --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:953078666] in Politics C... [t:79408438]...</cite> <quote>Access to medical equipment and machinery is a big part of hospital expenses and while it doesn't excuse overcharging for dumb shit it's just another contribution to why hospitals are forced to struggle to make a profit. Also why this free market scheme makes no sense. You still need millions in capital even with this plan to save on labor by getting people who don't know what the fuck they're doing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 04/21/21 3:29:33 PM #229:	HANNITY: All right, so I know a lot of people that are around you every day. This is what they're all telling me. You are working as hard as you did when you were in the White House. Hannity with the Freudian slip while he interviews Trump. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:953079509] in Politics C... [t:79408438]...</cite> <quote><quote>HANNITY: All right, so I know a lot of people that are around you every day. This is what they're all telling me. You are working as hard as you did when you were in the White House.</quote> Hannity with the Freudian slip while he interviews Trump. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 04/21/21 3:45:18 PM #230:	https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/04/21/chauvin-verdict-poll-majority-approve-guilty-finding/7316788002/ Even most Republicans think Chauvin was guilty. Although who is this 15% of Democrats that thought he was not guilty? --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:953080040] in Politics C... [t:79408438]...</cite> <quote>https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/04/21/chauvin-verdict-poll-majority-approve-guilty-finding/7316788002/ Even most Republicans think Chauvin was guilty. Although who is this 15% of Democrats that thought he was not guilty? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 04/21/21 3:51:34 PM #231:	TheRock1525 posted... https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/04/21/chauvin-verdict-poll-majority-approve-guilty-finding/7316788002/ Even most Republicans think Chauvin was guilty. Although who is this 15% of Democrats that thought he was not guilty? It's 10% with 5% undecided and maybe these other two questions can help clarify --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:953080262] in Politics C... [t:79408438]...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted... </cite> <quote>https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/04/21/chauvin-verdict-poll-majority-approve-guilty-finding/7316788002/ Even most Republicans think Chauvin was guilty. Although who is this 15% of Democrats that thought he was not guilty?</quote> It's 10% with 5% undecided and maybe these other two questions can help clarify </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HashtagSEP 04/21/21 4:05:50 PM #232:	So body cam footage for the police shooting in Ohio was released. The victim goes from fighting with one girl while the cop walks up to turning and charging at another, who is standing off to the side with a dog in her hands, and then pushes her against a car and is mid-lunge with a knife when the cop pulls their gun and shoots. Not too sure how to feel about it, since on one hand I absolutely don't like deadly force, but on the other hand I'm not sure what the answer would be for what I'd want them to do otherwise in a case like that since it's literally like a split second thing before somebody's about to be stabbed. It looks like he doesn't have anything in his hands when he's first approaching, so I'm not sure a taser would have worked since those have a safety and briefly need to charge, so it's a much more murky situation. --- #SEP #Awesome #Excellent #Greatness #SteveNash #VitaminWater #SmellingLikeTheVault #Pigeon #Sexy #ActuallyAVeryIntelligentVelociraptor #Heel #CoolSpot #EndOfSig <cite>HashtagSEP posted [p:953080721] in Politics C... [t:79408438]...</cite> <quote>So body cam footage for the police shooting in Ohio was released. The victim goes from fighting with one girl while the cop walks up to turning and charging at another, who is standing off to the side with a dog in her hands, and then pushes her against a car and is mid-lunge with a knife when the cop pulls their gun and shoots. Not too sure how to feel about it, since on one hand I absolutely don't like deadly force, but on the other hand I'm not sure what the answer would be for what I'd want them to do otherwise in a case like that since it's literally like a split second thing before somebody's about to be stabbed. It looks like he doesn't have anything in his hands when he's first approaching, so I'm not sure a taser would have worked since those have a safety and briefly need to charge, so it's a much more murky situation. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 04/21/21 4:06:47 PM #233:	Absolutely insane. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:953080755] in Politics C... [t:79408438]...</cite> <quote> Absolutely insane. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red13n 04/21/21 4:16:43 PM #234:	TheRock1525 posted... Even most Republicans think Chauvin was guilty. Although who is this 15% of Democrats that thought he was not guilty? There is still a decent chunk of racists in the democratic party. They are just still hard economic left. --- "First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed. <cite>red13n posted [p:953081068] in Politics C... [t:79408438]...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted... </cite> <quote>Even most Republicans think Chauvin was guilty. Although who is this 15% of Democrats that thought he was not guilty?</quote>There is still a decent chunk of racists in the democratic party. They are just still hard economic left. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 04/21/21 4:17:41 PM #235:	HashtagSEP posted... So body cam footage for the police shooting in Ohio was released. The victim goes from fighting with one girl while the cop walks up to turning and charging at another, who is standing off to the side with a dog in her hands, and then pushes her against a car and is mid-lunge with a knife when the cop pulls their gun and shoots. Not too sure how to feel about it, since on one hand I absolutely don't like deadly force, but on the other hand I'm not sure what the answer would be for what I'd want them to do otherwise in a case like that since it's literally like a split second thing before somebody's about to be stabbed. It looks like he doesn't have anything in his hands when he's first approaching, so I'm not sure a taser would have worked since those have a safety and briefly need to charge, so it's a much more murky situation. She could have still stabbed her if she was tased from that distance. Hell, she could have still stabbed her even while she was shot. Like there is no situation here I think the cop was actually in the wrong. It was hectic, with another man kicking a woman while she was down right next to this. But when someone is in the middle of trying to fatally stab someone, there's just nothing else to do in that situation. He very well probably saved that other girl's life. Had he done anything else, including using a taser, there's a decent likelihood she'd be dead. There wasn't even a chance for him to properly assess the situation or deescalate. I can't pin this one on the cop, and there's some weird mental gymnastics I've seen to make this seem like it's unjustified. ChaosTonyV4 posted... Absolutely insane. This is kind of a shitty question though. "Do you want peace, or do you want violence if it means not infringing on protesting right?" Like when you give me that choice, with the vagueness of the limitations on peaceful protest, I'm not voting for either. --- I stream sometimes. Check it out! www.twitch.tv/heroicbiz/ <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:953081102] in Politics C... [t:79408438]...</cite> <quote>HashtagSEP posted... </cite> <quote>So body cam footage for the police shooting in Ohio was released. The victim goes from fighting with one girl while the cop walks up to turning and charging at another, who is standing off to the side with a dog in her hands, and then pushes her against a car and is mid-lunge with a knife when the cop pulls their gun and shoots. Not too sure how to feel about it, since on one hand I absolutely don't like deadly force, but on the other hand I'm not sure what the answer would be for what I'd want them to do otherwise in a case like that since it's literally like a split second thing before somebody's about to be stabbed. It looks like he doesn't have anything in his hands when he's first approaching, so I'm not sure a taser would have worked since those have a safety and briefly need to charge, so it's a much more murky situation.</quote>She could have still stabbed her if she was tased from that distance. Hell, she could have still stabbed her even while she was shot. Like there is no situation here I think the cop was actually in the wrong. It was hectic, with another man kicking a woman while she was down right next to this. But when someone is in the middle of trying to fatally stab someone, there's just nothing else to do in that situation. He very well probably saved that other girl's life. Had he done anything else, including using a taser, there's a decent likelihood she'd be dead. There wasn't even a chance for him to properly assess the situation or deescalate. I can't pin this one on the cop, and there's some weird mental gymnastics I've seen to make this seem like it's unjustified. ChaosTonyV4 posted... </cite> <quote> Absolutely insane.</quote>This is kind of a shitty question though. "Do you want peace, or do you want violence if it means not infringing on protesting right?" Like when you give me that choice, with the vagueness of the limitations on peaceful protest, I'm not voting for either. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 04/21/21 4:17:47 PM #236:	I tentatively side with the Ohio police in this one. If you want an example of a body cam making a cop look BETTER than the byline, look no further --- It's Reyn Time. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:953081105] in Politics C... [t:79408438]...</cite> <quote>I tentatively side with the Ohio police in this one. If you want an example of a body cam making a cop look BETTER than the byline, look no further </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 04/21/21 4:47:13 PM #237:	I haven't seen the footage and won't watch it. But it's still not hard to condemn the role of the cop. The situation itself is fundamentally wrong. It's hard to explain so I guess I'll offer a thought experiment. Imagine the cop does NOT have a gun and has to subdue a teen with a knife, and ask yourself if that set of outcomes is preferable. There are countries with unarmed cops that still have to deal with knife attacks so I don't think this is an unreasonable situation. Personally I think working backwards from "is this shooting justified?" and not "did this person NEED to die?" is setting expectations too low. --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:953082082] in Politics C... [t:79408438]...</cite> <quote>I haven't seen the footage and won't watch it. But it's still not hard to condemn the role of the cop. The situation itself is fundamentally wrong. It's hard to explain so I guess I'll offer a thought experiment. Imagine the cop does NOT have a gun and has to subdue a teen with a knife, and ask yourself if that set of outcomes is preferable. There are countries with unarmed cops that still have to deal with knife attacks so I don't think this is an unreasonable situation. Personally I think working backwards from "is this shooting justified?" and not "did this person NEED to die?" is setting expectations too low. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 04/21/21 4:48:02 PM #238:	red13n posted... There is still a decent chunk of racists in the democratic party. They are just still hard economic left. dude, lmao. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:953082109] in Politics C... [t:79408438]...</cite> <quote>red13n posted... </cite> <quote>There is still a decent chunk of racists in the democratic party. They are just still hard economic left.</quote> dude, lmao. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HashtagSEP 04/21/21 4:50:03 PM #239:	HeroDelTiempo17 posted... I haven't seen the footage and won't watch it. But it's still not hard to condemn the role of the cop. The situation itself is fundamentally wrong. It's hard to explain so I guess I'll offer a thought experiment. Imagine the cop does NOT have a gun and has to subdue a teen with a knife, and ask yourself if that set of outcomes is preferable. There are countries with unarmed cops that still have to deal with knife attacks so I don't think this is an unreasonable situation. Personally I think working backwards from "is this shooting justified?" and not "did this person NEED to die?" is setting expectations too low. Well, the problem is he's still quite a distance away when the victim literally begins the process of attempting to stab another girl with a knife. He didn't actually have the time or chance to deescalate it or deal with her in any other way. If he didn't act in that exact moment, from a distance, she stabs the girl. EDIT: That's why I'm having a tough time thinking of what I'd expect the alternative to be in a situation like that. If he doesn't act and instead takes the time to move in, somebody's getting stabbed likely several times. And it's not the cop, it's another civilian who didn't appear to actually be taking part in the physical altercation leading up to it. --- #SEP #Awesome #Excellent #Greatness #SteveNash #VitaminWater #SmellingLikeTheVault #Pigeon #Sexy #ActuallyAVeryIntelligentVelociraptor #Heel #CoolSpot #EndOfSig <cite>HashtagSEP posted [p:953082181] in Politics C... [t:79408438]...</cite> <quote>HeroDelTiempo17 posted... </cite> <quote>I haven't seen the footage and won't watch it. But it's still not hard to condemn the role of the cop. The situation itself is fundamentally wrong. It's hard to explain so I guess I'll offer a thought experiment. Imagine the cop does NOT have a gun and has to subdue a teen with a knife, and ask yourself if that set of outcomes is preferable. There are countries with unarmed cops that still have to deal with knife attacks so I don't think this is an unreasonable situation. Personally I think working backwards from "is this shooting justified?" and not "did this person NEED to die?" is setting expectations too low.</quote> Well, the problem is he's still quite a distance away when the victim literally begins the process of attempting to stab another girl with a knife. He didn't actually have the time or chance to deescalate it or deal with her in any other way. If he didn't act in that exact moment, from a distance, she stabs the girl. EDIT: That's why I'm having a tough time thinking of what I'd expect the alternative to be in a situation like that. If he doesn't act and instead takes the time to move in, somebody's getting stabbed likely several times. And it's not the cop, it's another civilian who didn't appear to actually be taking part in the physical altercation leading up to it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red13n 04/21/21 4:52:06 PM #240:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... dude, lmao. What are you disputing? --- "First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed. <cite>red13n posted [p:953082251] in Politics C... [t:79408438]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted... </cite> <quote>dude, lmao.</quote> What are you disputing? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kevwaffles 04/21/21 4:54:44 PM #241:	Saving a victim from a perpetrator in the heat of the moment is like the platonic ideal of justified use of lethal force. That doesn't mean that it nullifies any argument for reform in that area. --- "One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land." -Toad, SMB3 <cite>kevwaffles posted [p:953082332] in Politics C... [t:79408438]...</cite> <quote>Saving a victim from a perpetrator in the heat of the moment is like the platonic ideal of justified use of lethal force. That doesn't mean that it nullifies any argument for reform in that area.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 04/21/21 4:57:37 PM #242:	HashtagSEP posted... Well, the problem is he's still quite a distance away when the victim literally begins the process of attempting to stab another girl with a knife. He didn't actually have the time or chance to deescalate it or deal with her in any other way. If he didn't act in that exact moment, from a distance, she stabs the girl. EDIT: That's why I'm having a tough time thinking of what I'd expect the alternative to be in a situation like that. If he doesn't act and instead takes the time to move in, somebody's getting stabbed likely several times. And it's not the cop, it's another civilian who didn't appear to actually be taking part in the physical altercation leading up to it. Yeah, I can't say I really fault the cop here for this one. This isn't a murky "I FEARED FOR MY LIFE!" against some guy charging at them, but that the victim seconds away from possibly causing grievous bodily harm with a deadly weapon to another (unarmed, it appeared) person. It is still a tragedy that a 15 year old girl is dead. But I don't know what else the cop was supposed to do there. I also agree with KP that this is an example why even cops should be in favor of body cams because I'm not sure I would've believed the cop's side of things without seeing the footage. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:953082430] in Politics C... [t:79408438]...</cite> <quote>HashtagSEP posted... </cite> <quote>Well, the problem is he's still quite a distance away when the victim literally begins the process of attempting to stab another girl with a knife. He didn't actually have the time or chance to deescalate it or deal with her in any other way. If he didn't act in that exact moment, from a distance, she stabs the girl. EDIT: That's why I'm having a tough time thinking of what I'd expect the alternative to be in a situation like that. If he doesn't act and instead takes the time to move in, somebody's getting stabbed likely several times. And it's not the cop, it's another civilian who didn't appear to actually be taking part in the physical altercation leading up to it.</quote> Yeah, I can't say I really fault the cop here for this one. This isn't a murky "I FEARED FOR MY LIFE!" against some guy charging at them, but that the victim seconds away from possibly causing grievous bodily harm with a deadly weapon to another (unarmed, it appeared) person. It is still a tragedy that a 15 year old girl is dead. But I don't know what else the cop was supposed to do there. I also agree with KP that this is an example why even cops should be in favor of body cams because I'm not sure I would've believed the cop's side of things without seeing the footage. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 04/21/21 4:58:09 PM #243:	red13n posted... What are you disputing? probably the "they're hard economic left" part. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:953082454] in Politics C... [t:79408438]...</cite> <quote>red13n posted... </cite> <quote>What are you disputing?</quote> probably the "they're hard economic left" part. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red13n 04/21/21 4:59:11 PM #244:	Mr Lasastryke posted... probably the "they're hard economic left" part. I'm guessing Tony doesn't realize that this is relative to the Republican party and disputes that they are progressive or something when that isn't what I mean in this case because Tony has to be angry at everything. --- "First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed. <cite>red13n posted [p:953082501] in Politics C... [t:79408438]...</cite> <quote>Mr Lasastryke posted... </cite> <quote>probably the "they're hard economic left" part.</quote> I'm guessing Tony doesn't realize that this is relative to the Republican party and disputes that they are progressive or something when that isn't what I mean in this case because Tony has to be angry at everything. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 04/21/21 5:01:25 PM #245:	Or, I dunno, there is no evidence that these people are hard economic left and not just blue dog, Joe Manchin type people that still identify as democrats. I dunno why they would have to be hard economic left and not just "moderate dems". --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:953082568] in Politics C... [t:79408438]...</cite> <quote>Or, I dunno, there is no evidence that these people are hard economic left and not just blue dog, Joe Manchin type people that still identify as democrats. I dunno why they would have to be hard economic left and not just "moderate dems". </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HashtagSEP 04/21/21 5:02:35 PM #246:	kevwaffles posted... Saving a victim from a perpetrator in the heat of the moment is like the platonic ideal of justified use of lethal force. That doesn't mean that it nullifies any argument for reform in that area. Oh, right. I don't think anybody's arguing this. I've just seen a lot of people arguing the cop should have just done nothing, including high profile people on Twitter being like "Kids get in knife fights all the time without intervention, there's no reason to start now," and I can't agree with it since this case doesn't fit in with the other ones. --- #SEP #Awesome #Excellent #Greatness #SteveNash #VitaminWater #SmellingLikeTheVault #Pigeon #Sexy #ActuallyAVeryIntelligentVelociraptor #Heel #CoolSpot #EndOfSig <cite>HashtagSEP posted [p:953082612] in Politics C... [t:79408438]...</cite> <quote>kevwaffles posted... </cite> <quote>Saving a victim from a perpetrator in the heat of the moment is like the platonic ideal of justified use of lethal force. That doesn't mean that it nullifies any argument for reform in that area.</quote> Oh, right. I don't think anybody's arguing this. I've just seen a lot of people arguing the cop should have just done nothing, including high profile people on Twitter being like "Kids get in knife fights all the time without intervention, there's no reason to start now," and I can't agree with it since this case doesn't fit in with the other ones. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 04/21/21 5:04:34 PM #247:	With absolutely zero evidence, I'd expect that racism among Democrats is probably equally distributed across the economic view spectrum. It obviously exists - though in lower numbers than the GOP given their going all-in on white identity politics - but I wouldn't expect it to be overly weighed on any particular part of the left-of-center spectrum. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:953082697] in Politics C... [t:79408438]...</cite> <quote>With absolutely zero evidence, I'd expect that racism among Democrats is probably equally distributed across the economic view spectrum. It obviously exists - though in lower numbers than the GOP given their going all-in on white identity politics - but I wouldn't expect it to be overly weighed on any particular part of the left-of-center spectrum. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red13n 04/21/21 5:05:22 PM #248:	Suprak the Stud posted... Or, I dunno, there is no evidence that these people are hard economic left and not just blue dog, Joe Manchin type people that still identify as democrats. I dunno why they would have to be hard economic left and not just "moderate dems". I mean, I would imagine the racists are spread across the economic spectrum. Its just most of that spectrum is a hard left from "lol feed the rich and maybe they'll give you some crumbs". --- "First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed. <cite>red13n posted [p:953082726] in Politics C... [t:79408438]...</cite> <quote>Suprak the Stud posted... </cite> <quote>Or, I dunno, there is no evidence that these people are hard economic left and not just blue dog, Joe Manchin type people that still identify as democrats. I dunno why they would have to be hard economic left and not just "moderate dems".</quote> I mean, I would imagine the racists are spread across the economic spectrum. Its just most of that spectrum is a hard left from "lol feed the rich and maybe they'll give you some crumbs". </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kevwaffles 04/21/21 5:05:24 PM #249:	That was more in vague response to Hero's post, though I'm realizing I didn't read that perfectly correctly anyway. --- "One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land." -Toad, SMB3 <cite>kevwaffles posted [p:953082728] in Politics C... [t:79408438]...</cite> <quote>That was more in vague response to Hero's post, though I'm realizing I didn't read that perfectly correctly anyway.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 04/21/21 5:08:36 PM #250:	Oh yeah, I absolutely wasn't trying to deny that there are definitely racist progressives or democratic socialists or socialists or however far left you want to go. But that seemed like a pretty definitive "its the far left economic ones with racism issues" to me, unless I was reading it wrong. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:953082826] in Politics C... [t:79408438]...</cite> <quote>Oh yeah, I absolutely wasn't trying to deny that there are definitely racist progressives or democratic socialists or socialists or however far left you want to go. But that seemed like a pretty definitive "its the far left economic ones with racism issues" to me, unless I was reading it wrong. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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