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pure_temper
04/08/21 5:24:44 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGgvgKE0n8o

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MachineJaipur
04/08/21 5:25:30 PM
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Can I get a TL;DW or better yet if it's just inane conspiracy can I get bonked over the head to forget this topic?
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Jagr_68
04/08/21 5:26:36 PM
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Russell Brand = The Thinking Man's Joe Rogan

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pure_temper
04/08/21 5:26:56 PM
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MachineJaipur posted...
Can I get a TL;DW

it's about how it's primarily tech companies trying to sell public health officials on the idea of using their tracking software to facilitate a digital covid vaccine passport, and the risks of gating access to society/freedom/leisure on that kind of power

his stuff in the last few months has been mostly looking at the billionaire class and tech companies and how they are trying to consolidate power/control over regular people.

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Funkydog
04/08/21 5:27:36 PM
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To Russel Brand videos?

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Questionmarktarius
04/08/21 5:29:01 PM
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pure_temper posted...
and the risks of gating access to society/freedom/leisure on that kind of power
Meanwhile, at the end of the bible...
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3PiesAndAFork
04/08/21 5:30:13 PM
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didn't watch but the billionaires already have control over the regular people.

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Smackems
04/08/21 5:30:37 PM
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Fuck that authoritarian bs

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pure_temper
04/08/21 5:31:08 PM
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3PiesAndAFork posted...
didn't watch but the billionaires already have control over the regular people.

I have you tagged as "Statist" because of the other thread where you admitted you're for an authoritarian government, so note that I'll disregard anything you have to say. Thanks.

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pure_temper
04/08/21 5:31:16 PM
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Smackems posted...
Fuck that authoritarian bs

yep

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MabusIncarnate
04/08/21 5:32:52 PM
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Russell "How do I become relevant again?" Brand

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CyricZ
04/08/21 5:34:18 PM
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Russell Brand: Hasn't bathed since the pandemic started and still looks better than you.

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AlCalavicci
04/08/21 5:34:51 PM
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I support vaccine passports for certain things, such as events/activities that would otherwise be a superspreader atmosphere. People need to understand that this vaccine passport shouldn't have to be permanent. It should be in place until we reach herd immunity, and then maybe we don't need it anymore.

We are all already restricted from things like concerts and events for the most part. Vaccine passports would help those events and activities start to open up safely, while not putting people at risk of passing COVID.

People who don't want to get the vaccine or can't get the vaccine can participate once we reach herd immunity. Those of us who are willing to get the vaccine should be able to start getting our lives back to normal once we are fully vaccinated.

I don't think the passport should be able to be used everywhere or by any business. Grocery stores and businesses shouldn't be allowed to restrict people from going into stores, however there should still be mask mandates to protect those who are not vaccinated.

For certain travel, a vaccine passport could help also. Hawaii, for example, requires a negative COVID test within 72 hours of your departure. I think a vaccine passport should be added so you can travel to places like this and not have to get a negative test. Then, people who haven't been vaccinated, can still travel if they provide a negative covid test.

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FrisbeeDude
04/08/21 5:36:18 PM
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Smackems posted...
Fuck that authoritarian bs

lmao

"Have you been vaccinated?"
"Yep."
"C'mon in!"

Yeah....real dystopian


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pure_temper
04/08/21 5:36:43 PM
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CyricZ posted...
Russell Brand: Hasn't bathed since the pandemic started and still looks better than you.

He's def hot as hell

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Hop103
04/08/21 5:37:06 PM
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My state doesn't require that toilet paper.
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pure_temper
04/08/21 5:37:32 PM
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AlCalavicci posted...
People need to understand that this vaccine passport shouldn't have to be permanent.

bullshit. these measures will never be temporary if instituted. no way corporate tyrants will give up their newfound power. he talks about this too, and gives examples of how these "temporary" measures never are.

people need to be more skeptical and less naive on these matters.

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AlCalavicci
04/08/21 5:38:34 PM
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pure_temper posted...
bullshit. these measures will never be temporary if instituted. no way corporate tyrants will give up their newfound power. he talks about this too, and gives examples of how these "temporary" measures never are.

people need to be more skeptical and less naive on these matters.

This is all fear mongering imo

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Sapphrodite
04/08/21 5:40:07 PM
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Well, if someone on YouTube is worried about it, then Im worried too
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pure_temper
04/08/21 5:43:11 PM
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AlCalavicci posted...
This is all fear mongering imo

watch the video, he gives specific examples

and there's no such thing as fear-mongering when it comes to the billionaire class and their immense power

some of them control more power than entire countries

Bezos for example could probably tank many countries if he decided to

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AlCalavicci
04/08/21 5:48:34 PM
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I'm not watching a 15 minute video of Russell Brand talking about anything tbh. Better things to do

I support vaccine passports that will be temporary until we reach herd immunity. I'm sure you'll fire back with saying it'll never be temporary, the government will control us, and whatever other nonsense.

If you want to tell me his points i'll read them, but not wasting my time on that video. My stance is my stance. We'll have to wait and see.

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3PiesAndAFork
04/08/21 5:49:01 PM
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It's very clear control is needed, your fear-mongering isn't going to change that. I for one welcome our new, bald overlord.

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pure_temper
04/08/21 5:50:45 PM
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3PiesAndAFork posted...
It's very clear control is needed, your fear-mongering isn't going to change that. I for one welcome our new, bald overlord.

bahahaha I'll remove your tag since I see now you're being tongue in cheek :P

you got me! well done.

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pure_temper
04/08/21 5:51:31 PM
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AlCalavicci posted...
but not wasting my time on that video. My stance is my stance. We'll have to wait and see.

then I don't care what your view is and I'm not spending any more time responding to you, because you can't be bothered anyway. good luck.

by the way, hell no we won't be waiting and seeing shit. it'll never happen in the USA, mark my words.

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AlCalavicci
04/08/21 5:52:43 PM
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pure_temper posted...
by the way, hell no we won't be waiting and seeing shit. it'll never happen in the USA, mark my words.

then why are you spending so much negative energy on it ? Sounds like you have nothing to worry about

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Funkydog
04/08/21 5:53:12 PM
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pure_temper posted...
and there's no such thing as fear-mongering when it comes to the billionaire class and their immense power
Definitely not with the Tory government as well. They are already currently in the process of trying to remove our rights, to plenty of protest across the country. While the idea of a vaccine passport isn't bad by itself the issues around it are the problem and when a government is currently showing you its desire to be authoritarian? Definite alarm bells.

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3PiesAndAFork
04/08/21 5:53:56 PM
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pure_temper posted...
bahahaha I'll remove your tag since I see now you're being tongue in cheek :P

you got me! well done.
Only half. I do believe people need to be controlled for the good of the general population. Joking about Bezos (although to be fair he'd probably be a lot better than Donald fucking Trump)

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monkmith
04/08/21 5:54:05 PM
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so vaccine cards for travel have been a thing for decades, are we just ignoring that now?

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JBaLLEN66
04/08/21 5:54:30 PM
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lol at ceman that want to take away rights

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pure_temper
04/08/21 5:54:46 PM
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AlCalavicci posted...
then why are you spending so much negative energy on it ? Sounds like you have nothing to worry about

same reason anyone shares political shit on this board

Funkydog posted...
Definitely not with the Tory government as well. They are already currently in the process of trying to remove our rights, to plenty of protest across the country. While the idea of a vaccine passport isn't bad by itself the issues around it are the problem and when a government is currently showing you its desire to be authoritarian? Definite alarm bells.

Honestly a year or two ago I'd have believed you'd support this kind of nonsense, but I'm glad to see you do not. You're right of course, and everyone needs to tell these authorities off before we can't anymore.


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pure_temper
04/08/21 5:55:40 PM
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3PiesAndAFork posted...
Only half. I do believe people need to be controlled for the good of the general population. Joking about Bezos (although to be fair he'd probably be a lot better than Donald fucking Trump)

you couldn't be more wildly incorrect, so I'll continue to believe you're just joking

monkmith posted...
so vaccine cards for travel have been a thing for decades, are we just ignoring that now?

i've traveled across the USA and outside of it and never had to present anything but my regular passport so idk what you're talking about

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TheGoldenEel
04/08/21 5:56:53 PM
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the only way to safely have these events is when weve reached a certain vaccine percentage/herd immunity anyway, so theres no reason for vaccine passports

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monkmith
04/08/21 5:57:32 PM
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pure_temper posted...
i've traveled across the USA and outside of it and never had to present anything but my regular passport so idk what you're talking about


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3PiesAndAFork
04/08/21 5:57:51 PM
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pure_temper posted...
you couldn't be more wildly incorrect, so I'll continue to believe you're just joking

Why do you think that?
i've traveled across the USA and outside of it and never had to present anything but my regular passport so idk what you're talking about
Plenty of countries in South America and Asia require them. I know that for a fact, as I've had to get them.

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pure_temper
04/08/21 5:58:10 PM
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monkmith posted...

never had to know or care about this, my passport was sufficient

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Funkydog
04/08/21 5:59:02 PM
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pure_temper posted...
same reason anyone shares political shit on this board

Honestly a year or two ago I'd have believed you'd support this kind of nonsense, but I'm glad to see you do not. You're right of course, and everyone needs to tell these authorities off before we can't anymore.
I have no idea issue with the concept of a vaccine passport as I need to show I have vaccines for work and often needed it for travel to other countries, but I in no way trust my government in the slightest. They have again and again show almost every law, from the "porn law", the recent "policing law" to this proposed act, shown what they want is control over the populace and will use language that aligns with current progressive thinking like "protecting children and women" and "dealing with anti vaxxers" as arguing against that isn't a good look for any politician and we have far too many morons who will just read whatever shitty right wing/government aligned news and take it at face value.

Honestly at the point where I've considered moving out of England and if Wales/Scotland or somewhere did leave the Union I'd be hard pressed to not try and move to them. Maybe if I could actually stop being lazy and improve my German or French again to being able to speak it like I used to I'd move to one of them as well.

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monkmith
04/08/21 5:59:24 PM
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pure_temper posted...
i've never heard of it, so it must not exist!


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pure_temper
04/08/21 5:59:55 PM
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3PiesAndAFork posted...
Why do you think that?

Authoritarian regimes end up killing people who don't comply. So you need to study basic history.


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pure_temper
04/08/21 6:00:51 PM
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Funkydog posted...
I have no idea issue with the concept of a vaccine passport as I need to show I have vaccines for work and often needed it for travel to other countries, but I in no way trust my government in the slightest. They have again and again show almost every law, from the "porn law", the recent "policing law" to this proposed act, shown what they want is control over the populace and will use language that aligns with current progressive thinking like "protecting children and women" and "dealing with anti vaxxers" as arguing against that isn't a good look for any politician and we have far too many morons who will just read whatever shitty right wing/government aligned news and take it at face value.

Honestly at the point where I've considered moving out of England and if Wales/Scotland or somewhere did leave the Union I'd be hard pressed to not try and move to them. Maybe if I could actually stop being lazy and improve my German or French again to being able to speak it like I used to I'd move to one of them as well.

Honestly, I'd recommend moving to the States. Germany and France are going to go the UK route in this surveillance state. I have no more confidence in Europe, including western Europe, in this regard. It pains me to say it.

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3PiesAndAFork
04/08/21 6:01:14 PM
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pure_temper posted...
Authoritarian regimes end up killing people who don't comply. So you need to study basic history.
During a pandemic like this, where people refuse to wear masks just because "fuck da libs", sacrifices need to be made. I prefer those sacrifices be the selfish assholes.

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pure_temper
04/08/21 6:01:29 PM
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metallica846 posted...
The Patriot Act was supposed to be temporary.

exactly

Power never relinquishes anything

It only consolidates and maintains itself

Anyone saying otherwise either is ignorant/uneducated/naive, or one of the ppl who thinks they'll benefit from the new status quo (Statists basically)

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pure_temper
04/08/21 6:01:54 PM
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3PiesAndAFork posted...
During a pandemic like this, where people refuse to wear masks just because "fuck da libs", sacrifices need to be made. I prefer those sacrifices be the selfish assholes.

lmao ok Mao

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Funkydog
04/08/21 6:03:26 PM
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pure_temper posted...
Honestly, I'd recommend moving to the States. Germany and France are going to go the UK route in this surveillance state. I have no more confidence in Europe, including western Europe, in this regard. It pains me to say it.
Not the slightest chance I would move to the USA. I'm a nurse and I utterly despise America's current method of health care and genuinely don't think I could work as one with how it currently works. Not to say America is bad, but that is a massive issue for me and I really dislike it.

Also I like being able to legally "jay walk" which is clearly the main issue.

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pure_temper
04/08/21 6:06:46 PM
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Funkydog posted...
Not the slightest chance I would move to the USA. I'm a nurse and I utterly despise America's current method of health care and genuinely don't think I could work as one with how it currently works. Not to say America is bad, but that is a massive issue for me and I really dislike it.

Also I like being able to legally "jay walk" which is clearly the main issue.

I'm in Chicago and jaywalking is fairly common lol, it's becoming more biker/commuter friendly each year tbh.

but yeah our healthcare system needs work. you'd get paid a lot more as a nurse here, that's for sure, even after funding retirement and your living expenses.

i was mostly just offering the States as an alternative to Germany/France since those are not likely to be much better than the UK in regards to the kind of statism we're talking about. For now it's looking like Canada and western Europe are going to go all-out on this shit, unless ppl there start having some backbones and saying no.

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Funkydog
04/08/21 6:11:13 PM
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pure_temper posted...
I'm in Chicago and jaywalking is fairly common lol, it's becoming more biker/commuter friendly each year tbh.

but yeah our healthcare system needs work. you'd get paid a lot more as a nurse here, that's for sure, even after funding retirement and your living expenses.

i was mostly just offering the States as an alternative to Germany/France since those are not likely to be much better than the UK in regards to the kind of statism we're talking about. For now it's looking like Canada and western Europe are going to go all-out on this shit, unless ppl there start having some backbones and saying no.
I wasn't particular serious with the jaywalking comment, mostly something more light hearted, given it's not a law over here, after the more seriousness of the rest of my post. Pay would definitely be a lot more, but personally I don't think I could actually happily stomach the change from how we do healthcare compared to America. Still massive kudos to every healthcare professional in America of course mind, as 99% of the time not their fault it's broken.

I've big issues with where the UK is going in general though, this vaccine passport is just yet another concerning turn for them and at least in most other aspects many places aren't much better. But then France/Germany aren't without their issues so really I'm just venting late at night on the internet, which as we all know is the most effective form of protest.

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pure_temper
04/08/21 6:17:33 PM
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Funkydog posted...
I wasn't particular serious with the jaywalking comment, mostly something more light hearted, given it's not a law over here, after the more seriousness of the rest of my post. Pay would definitely be a lot more, but personally I don't think I could actually happily stomach the change from how we do healthcare compared to America. Still massive kudos to every healthcare professional in America of course mind, as 99% of the time not their fault it's broken.

I've big issues with where the UK is going in general though, this vaccine passport is just yet another concerning turn for them and at least in most other aspects many places aren't much better. But then France/Germany aren't without their issues so really I'm just venting late at night on the internet, which as we all know is the most effective form of protest.

hate to say it but the only chance is for people in Europe to have a backbone and to actually say no to stuff. France at least knows how to protest, they'll probably be okay so I'd move there if anything. I have family there and they're somewhat confident things can improve there after the Yellow Vests protests recently.

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Gakk86
04/08/21 6:23:55 PM
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I remember before I was allowed to move into my college dorm 20 years ago I was required to provide proof that I'd received several vaccinations. Anybody whining about vaccinations is a nutjob.

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pure_temper
04/08/21 6:25:35 PM
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Gakk86 posted...
I remember before I was allowed to move into my college dorm 20 years ago I was required to provide proof that I'd received several vaccinations. Anybody whining about vaccinations is a nutjob.

imo try developing your reading literacy some more before another 20 years pass and you miss out on all the great reading out there

because not a single fuckin person said anything about being against vaccinations

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Tyranthraxus
04/08/21 6:30:51 PM
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I don't know why people are concerned about vaccine passports.

  1. No one bats an eye at required ID to buy alcohol or cigarettes
  2. No one cared that proof of registration for selective service is required to get Government benefits
  3. No one cares about how you needed a 2 year credit history to get.... Well literally anything more than $500 that you can't pay cash for.
  4. Requiring a vaccine proof to go to Disneyland though. That's where we draw the line.

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