Current Events > Vaccine Passports: THIS Is Where It Leads

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Try watching the video next time, Tyranthraxus. Or at least reading the tl;dw to decide if you want to watch it or not. idk what else to tell you.

And plenty of people comment on your three points <_<

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pure_temper posted...

hate to say it but the only chance is for people in Europe to have a backbone and to actually say no to stuff. France at least knows how to protest, they'll probably be okay so I'd move there if anything. I have family there and they're somewhat confident things can improve there after the Yellow Vests protests recently.

We're trying in the UK at least, even if we aren't as good as France is.

Gakk86 posted...

I remember before I was allowed to move into my college dorm 20 years ago I was required to provide proof that I'd received several vaccinations. Anybody whining about vaccinations is a nutjob.

The issue isn't vaccines themselves or needing proof in of itself. The methods of how its done and the control it will let a government have is though. I'm just not inclined at all to give the Tory government benefit of the doubt when they've spent the past decade growing increasingly more authoritarian.

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yeah indeed. in America we just went through four years of the left saying that Trump is a Nazi

and now all of a sudden people want Trump's vaccine to be the basis of a vaccine passport, built by big-tech's surveillance software and used to determine who can participate in society?

fuck that noise, some people clearly aren't that bright wtf

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pure_temper posted...

yeah indeed. in America we just went through four years of the left saying that Trump is a Nazi

and now all of a sudden people want Trump's vaccine to be the basis of a vaccine passport, built by big-tech's surveillance software and used to determine who can participate in society?

fuck that noise, some people clearly aren't that bright wtf

It's a difficult situation though, as I do think that having some way to help us all move on and be able to interact with each other safely is of use as your average person has shown they are selfish idiots, but companies and governments have also shown they can't be trusted. So... yeah.

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It's fascist and authoritarian.

lmao at all the doomers thinking the government will suddenly put microchips in your blood because you had to show proof you were vaccinated

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Its only for traveling internationally why are people crying

pure_temper posted...

Try watching the video next time, Tyranthraxus. Or at least reading the tl;dw to decide if you want to watch it or not. idk what else to tell you.

And plenty of people comment on your three points <_<

The video is pointless fear mongering. The infrastructure he is warning is about is already there. We have no fly lists. That isn't even private it's public and anyone can look at it. It's maintained entirely by the 100% private TSA. They haven't blocked people on account of vaccines yet but they have blocked people on account of no masks.

Having an easy way to provide proof of vaccinations that can be certified by a trusted authority is the opposite of restricting freedom. Businesses can already choose to refuse people who don't show proof of vaccinations. They haven't done so because that puts the burden of gathering the proof on the customer and the burden of authenticating the proof on the business which is functionally impossible. Instead having a passport shunts all that hard work onto a tech company working in conjunction with the medical center and we can just do the thing we are already allowed to do but in an easier way.

So if you're worried about where it might lead just know that you've already been led there and haven't noticed. Vaccine passports don't give anyone authority they don't already have.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Instead having a passport shunts all that hard work onto a tech company working in conjunction with the medical center

fuck that, dude. you work for big tech or something? why else would you spit shine their boots?

No way in hell we should ever allow big tech surveillance software near medical data or in any position to regulate who can and cannot participate in society

imagine coming off of 4 years of everyone saying Trump is a Nazi and then immediately turning around and wanting his covid machinations to be the gate for whether or not people can live normal lives without bending over and revealing medical data to corporations

idgaf if you personally don't think it's "a lot" of medical data or even relevant. unless you're in a nursing home or a hospital, corporations gating access to employment/purchases this way is a stupid idea.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Vaccine passports don't give anyone authority they don't already have.

this is just blatantly either a lie or wildly incorrect, and it's making me wonder if you have any clue what you're talking about

corporations would be able to fire people or prohibit entry unless you share the passport with them

and we'd be creating a society where employers and billionaires in general can dictate working/living conditions on the basis of whether or not you accept what they want to put into your body

you see no problems with that? then you have nothing of value to say and I don't care what you post.

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pure_temper posted...

No way in hell we should ever allow big tech surveillance software near medical data or in any position to regulate who can and cannot participate in society

Too late because they already have it. Remember medicine industry IS big tech.

pure_temper posted...

imagine coming off of 4 years of everyone saying Trump is a Nazi and then immediately turning around and wanting his covid machinations to be the gate for whether or not people can live normal lives without bending over and revealing medical data to corporations

No one called trump a Nazi over his response to the pandemic. He was just very stupid.

The corporations already have your medical data by the way. Ever see a banner advertisement anywhere for a drug or something similar? That's targeted advertising.

pure_temper posted...

idgaf if you personally don't think it's "a lot" of medical data or even relevant. unless you're in a nursing home or a hospital, corporations gating access to employment/purchases this way is a stupid idea.

It is a stupid idea but they still already have it.

pure_temper posted...

this is just blatantly either a lie or wildly incorrect, and it's making me wonder if you have any clue what you're talking about

corporations would be able to fire people or prohibit entry unless you share the passport with them

Literally already happens. Literally already has happened.

https://www.fox43.com/mobile/article/news/local/woman-says-she-is-being-fired-for-refusing-covid-19-vaccine/521-08936a15-9ef8-430c-b358-022e20087ee2

Here's a general law article:

https://www.natlawreview.com/article/declining-shot-arm-what-employers-should-do-when-employees-refuse-vaccines

pure_temper posted...

and we'd be creating a society where employers and billionaires in general can dictate working/living conditions on the basis of whether or not you accept what they want to put into your body

Literally has been a thing already for decades but we just called them "drug tests" before.

pure_temper posted...

you see no problems with that?

I see tons of problems with it but the facts are that's the reality we live in today. It's not something that only happens if vaccine passports exist. It's been going on for decades and no one noticed because they were too busy arguing about stupid shit like abortion

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Then we need to tell people to shut the fuck up on pointless subjects and get all attention pointed at this problem immediately, before we're living under techno-fascism or techno-feudalism depending on which psychopath billionaire takes the reigns soon.

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We already have them.

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pure_temper posted...

it's about how it's primarily tech companies trying to sell public health officials on the idea of using their tracking software to facilitate a digital covid vaccine passport, and the risks of gating access to society/freedom/leisure on that kind of power

his stuff in the last few months has been mostly looking at the billionaire class and tech companies and how they are trying to consolidate power/control over regular people.

Yeah it's called a ID.

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pure_temper posted...

Then we need to tell people to shut the fuck up on pointless subjects and get all attention pointed at this problem immediately, before we're living under techno-fascism or techno-feudalism depending on which psychopath billionaire takes the reigns soon.

California recently passed a law that is a step in the right direction called the CCPA which is a type of law that returns authority over personal data to the person in question. If you tell someone to delete you, they have to do it, for example. You can also request to know everything a company knows about you and need explicit permission to sell your data.

Of course it only applies to California residents but if we get more of these laws it would be a good step towards giving people the power back over their own identities.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

California recently passed a law that is a step in the right direction called the CCPA which is a type of law that returns authority over personal data to the person in question. If you tell someone to delete you, they have to do it, for example. You can also request to know everything a company knows about you and need explicit permission to sell your data.

Of course it only applies to California residents but if we get more of these laws it would be a good step towards giving people the power back over their own identities.

Alright I see that we're on the same side then and that your earlier point was just about how we're already seeing the beginnings of the problem for some time now.

Yeah I agree with you, we need to do this stuff asap. Zuckerberg, Bezos, even Musk, cannot and should not be trusted at all. Wealth tax them too, until they're no longer billionaires or everyone is on equal footing with regards to UBI, healthcare, mobility, nutrition, etc.

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JACKBUTTMOMMY posted...

The Patriot Act IS expired though.

thank god!!! it's expired!!!!!

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Bump

I am pro vaccine by the way. Once it's available I'm gonna sign up, as long as it's not AstraZeneca (which it won't be in the states)

I still oppose the idiotic concept of a vaccine passport or firing people over this.

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I too think driver's licenses should be abolished. Mega-corps just have too much power asking to see your ID before providing you service. Who knows what they're doing with your personal information?

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pure_temper posted...

yeah indeed. in America we just went through four years of the left saying that Trump is a Nazi

and now all of a sudden people want Trump's vaccine to be the basis of a vaccine passport, built by big-tech's surveillance software and used to determine who can participate in society?

fuck that noise, some people clearly aren't that bright wtf

I'm not interesting in commenting on anything other than this point. Trump had literally nothing to do with developing or manufacturing the vaccine. It's not "his" in any sense of the word, and to claim it is is disrespectful of the people who spent a year of their lives developing it.

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ScazarMeltex posted...

I'm not interesting in commenting on anything other than this point. Trump had literally nothing to do with developing or manufacturing the vaccine. It's not "his" in any sense of the word, and to claim it is is disrespectful of the people who spent a year of their lives developing it.

30 years*

mRNA based vaccine research started 30 years ago.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

30 years*

mRNA based vaccine research started 30 years ago.

Yeah, I get that. I thought it was pretty clear that I was specifically talking about the Coronavirus vaccine but, yes even then I should have specified how far back the research goes. Because again, Donald Trump had nothing to do with any of it.

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you can't walk away from years of saying Trump is a Nazi and then disregard how hard he was pushing the covid vaccination as being his brain-child.

he's a narcissist who takes credit for other people's work, but the hands of the ultra rich go deep into such efforts no matter what. they fund these things and they are the ones who profit from big pharma and big tech and etc.

obviously i'm not worried about the vaccine itself, but it's still bad optics to go from telling everyone Trump is a Nazi, to then so naively/blindly building the infrastructure of oppression on the billionaires' behalf lmao, by not even questioning what could go wrong w/ covid passports being used to gatekeep employment and the like.

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ScazarMeltex posted...

Yeah, I get that. I thought it was pretty clear that I was specifically talking about the Coronavirus vaccine but, yes even then I should have specified how far back the research goes. Because again, Donald Trump had nothing to do with any of it.

Yeah there's just a lot of people who legitimately think right now that this vaccine took 1 year from start to finish and that's reason enough to not take it.

Truth is mRNA research started 30 years ago and coronavirus mRNA vaccine started 7 years ago based off SARS / Novel Coronavirus 1. Because COVID-19 / Novel Coronavirus 2 was very similar, a lot of research was reusable so the 1 year was like Goku spending 30 years doing research in the hyperbolic time chamber and came out with a vaccine in 1 year real time for us.

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Wait, is this literally proudclad?

I was going to say, "The more and more empty platitudes you lay down, the more and more buzz words you throw out, the less I think you have any ration behind this diatribe."

But, I don't see why anyone is taking you seriously in the first place. Yes, there are real issues behind passports, health data, privacy, et cetera. But, you're just reposting Fox talking points that have been airing all week.

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ChocoboMog123 posted...

Wait, is this literally proudclad?

I was going to say, "The more and more empty platitudes you lay down, the more and more buzz words you throw out, the less I think you have any ration behind this diatribe."

But, I don't see why anyone is taking you seriously in the first place. Yes, there are real issues behind passports, health data, privacy, et cetera. But, you're just reposting Fox talking points that have been airing all week.

I'm not sure what kind of Fox News you're watching but the Fox News talking points all week basically amount to:

1. Gaetz did nothing wrong
2. The things Gaetz allegedly did (that weren't wrong) never happened in the first place
3. BUT WHAT ABOUT CUOMO
4. AOC is wrong, please listen to my 8 hour monologue about why that no legitimate publication would accept
5. Chinese spies have infiltrated everything (but somehow are okay with us airing this segment)
6. Straight up neo nazi talking point of the day

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ChocoboMog123 posted...

Yes, there are real issues behind passports, health data, privacy,

then what are you actually arguing? lol because this is literally the point of the topic. it's about discussing those issues.

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Just make any further stimulus packages / student loan abolition conditional on vaccination.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

I'm not sure what kind of Fox News you're watching but the Fox News talking points all week basically amount to:

They ran a segment each time an anti-vax passport law was signed and for every state trying to pass one. They all repeated the same talking points every "conservative" poster pushes, here.

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idc what fox news says

if they opposed the covid passports then they were like a broken clock being right twice a day

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