Board 8 > It looks like Dan Avidan of NinjaSexParty/Game Grumps is accused of grooming.

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If I'm understanding correctly, a bunch of girls that were underaged at the time are coming forward with stories of sexting with him, although they didn't actually have sex until they were legal.

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I believe its been resolved, its fake

https://twitter.com/SeruleanArt/status/1374098632622899200

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I know nothing about these people but some no context game grumps account talking about it got retweeted onto my timeline a day or two ago saying hey should we shut down this account because this guy is bad?

and then today it was on my timeline again saying wait never mind were keeping the account up because actually the accusation was made up

so I think maybe the accusation was made up?
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Punnyz posted...

I believe its been resolved, its fake

https://twitter.com/SeruleanArt/status/1374098632622899200

Except that there's apparently 10 girls that have stepped forward with stories.

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Its almost certainly real.

Because hes a "great guy" who does "lots of good for the community" lots of people are motivated to find ways to make it not so.

But theyre wrong.

Dudes a sex pest.

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This specific event is 100% fine, he talked to a 17-year-old in public in an appropriate way. 5 years later, they met again and then hooked up.

TheRock1525 posted...

Except that there's apparently 10 girls that have stepped forward with stories.

I have heard this a bunch of times but do you have evidence? I am inclined to believe it because, you know, male feminists and all but I haven't actually seen this evidence

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TheRock1525 posted...

Except that there's apparently 10 girls that have stepped forward with stories.

Really? I'd heard about the one, which seemed a little overblown (that he had hooked up with a 22-year-old after they started talking just before her 18th birthday?) but this is the first I'm hearing of other girls

Tried piecing together what the situation is but I keep hearing contradicting things

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I have been watching game grumps since they started, Dan is one of the greatest and nicest dudes in the world. If he did any sort of "grooming" it was unintentional and the only reason it's getting any sort of attention is bc this is what the internet does nowadays

Like seriously this has gotten out of hand

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Punnyz posted...

I believe its been resolved, its fake

https://twitter.com/SeruleanArt/status/1374098632622899200

It's really important to understand what this means

It's not the accuser recanting. Some tumblr user saw a 22-year-old talking about the time she got groomed by Dan, then the tumblr user said "Dan's a pedo," then the same tumblr user said "never mind, I guess that 22-year-old didn't get groomed" and then went private. afaik accuser has not recanted

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CassandraCain posted...

I have been watching game grumps since they started, Dan is one of the greatest and nicest dudes in the world. If he did any sort of "grooming" it was unintentional and the only reason it's getting any sort of attention is bc this is what the internet does nowadays

Like seriously this has gotten out of hand

I don't care about Game Grumps and have not looked into the veracity of any claims, but this is a really bad position to take. If you think you know who somebody really is just because you've watched them perform in front of a camera for years, you are fooling yourself. You don't actually know this person at all. You know a persona they have created for public consumption.

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Having stopped watching about 6 years ago because one day I realized just what they were.
I can see it to be true.

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CassandraCain posted...

I have been watching game grumps since they started, Dan is one of the greatest and nicest dudes in the world. If he did any sort of "grooming" it was unintentional and the only reason it's getting any sort of attention is bc this is what the internet does nowadays

Like seriously this has gotten out of hand

Yeah, you are delusional even if this story turns out to be false. You don't the know people behind the camera. They are not your friend and they hide things from you.

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10 girls making claims? I've only heard the story from one girl who said she exchanged platonic (read: appropriate) messages with him when she was 17, then meeting him after a concert and having sex years later when she was 22.

That story in and of itself doesn't make the dude a pos.

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CaptainOfCrush posted...

10 girls making claims? I've only heard the story from one girl who said she exchanged platonic (read: appropriate) messages with him when she was 17, then meeting him after a concert and having sex years later when she was 22.

That story in and of itself doesn't make the dude a pos.

I have heard all of this, but I would say he's kind of a piece of shit for using his position to get his impressionable fans to sleep with him and then ghosting them. It's just really unprofessional to pump and dump your fans.

Like, the really cringe video that was posted with this is him acting exactly like his Ninja Sex Party character too, which is kind of gross to me as well. So no, he wasn't grooming, but he's still taking advantage of his position of power, and these kind of stories have been going on for years now of him doing this.

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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

I have heard all of this, but I would say he's kind of a piece of shit for using his position to get his impressionable fans to sleep with him and then ghosting them. It's just really unprofessional to pump and dump your fans.

Like, the really cringe video that was posted with this is him acting exactly like his Ninja Sex Party character too, which is kind of gross to me as well. So no, he wasn't grooming, but he's still taking advantage of his position of power, and these kind of stories have been going on for years now of him doing this.

Impressionable? Position of power? You choose interesting words for things

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CassandraCain posted...

Dan is one of the greatest and nicest dudes in the world.

this is what people said about jimmy saville when allegations against him started to come out.

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I've heard the claim that there are other stories a few times but not actually seen proof of them. I'm all for taking this seriously but not for killing someone's reputation off of "there's evidence, trust me"

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Between this and a much lesser known non-event I've seen recently, it really seems like people will just start saying "there are dozens of other people coming forward with similar stories" the second something like this breaks under the assumption there will be.
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

I have heard all of this, but I would say he's kind of a piece of shit for using his position to get his impressionable fans to sleep with him and then ghosting them. It's just really unprofessional to pump and dump your fans.

Like, the really cringe video that was posted with this is him acting exactly like his Ninja Sex Party character too, which is kind of gross to me as well. So no, he wasn't grooming, but he's still taking advantage of his position of power, and these kind of stories have been going on for years now of him doing this.

"I don't trust women of age to make decisions for themselves"

Isn't that why we have the age of consent at all? Because mature people can decide for themselves what they want to do?

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Dan is not a pedophile and probably not technically a groomer, but he's a bona fide manipulative piece of shit, and has a reputation for going after barely-of-age women with insecurities, getting what he wants, and then disappearing from their lives.

https://yes-itsathrowaway.tumblr.com/post/188987939127/dan-avidan-accusations-masterpost

https://ayearofdan.tumblr.com/post/622934483002425344/ayearofdan-here-is-a-story-a-raw-real-story-a

Rock can attest for me that I've done NSP-related projects on the board and was a massive fan of both them and Game Grumps. Dan was always my favorite the moment he joined the GG crew. But I can't continue following either of them because every time I do, it will just remind me of how two-faced and awful he is.

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i haven't watched much game grumps but i didn't see the appeal. seems like it's one of those "WE'RE LOUD AND WE LAUGH A LOT AND THAT'S ENTERTAINING" kind of channels. not quite as obnoxious as old school pewdiepie but it wasn't for me.

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CassandraCain posted...

I have been watching game grumps since they started, Dan is one of the greatest and nicest dudes in the world. If he did any sort of "grooming" it was unintentional and the only reason it's getting any sort of attention is bc this is what the internet does nowadays

Like seriously this has gotten out of hand

i have no opinions on the people involved in this case but please, rid yourself of this attitude. you don't know these people. you only know what they present.

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MrSmartGuy posted...

Dan is not a pedophile and probably not technically a groomer, but he's a bona fide manipulative piece of shit, and has a reputation for going after barely-of-age women with insecurities, getting what he wants, and then disappearing from their lives.

https://yes-itsathrowaway.tumblr.com/post/188987939127/dan-avidan-accusations-masterpost

https://ayearofdan.tumblr.com/post/622934483002425344/ayearofdan-here-is-a-story-a-raw-real-story-a

Rock can attest for me that I've done NSP-related projects on the board and was a massive fan of both them and Game Grumps. Dan was always my favorite the moment he joined the GG crew. But I can't continue following either of them because every time I do, it will just remind me of how two-faced and awful he is.

So basically, even if nothing he did was illegal, hes still an asshole.

For those keeping score at home, these are exactly the fruits that PUA/red pill/alpha culture bears. Remember when arguments about that shit practically took over this board for a year? I wonder if any of the instigators of that ever had the dignity to come around and be ashamed.

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A guy in a band/comedy act wants to have casual sex with fans of legal age after shows? And he has their consent? The horror!
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I for one am shocked that one of the guys in ninja sex party, a hyper sexual comedy band, would have inappropriate sexual allegations against him

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I love Rock's proud assertion that there are at least ten different accusations before disappearing for eleven hours and providing zero evidence.

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redrocket posted...

For those keeping score at home, these are exactly the fruits that PUA/red pill/alpha culture bears. Remember when arguments about that shit practically took over this board for a year?

i wish i didn't

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wg64Z posted...

"I don't trust women of age to make decisions for themselves"

Isn't that why we have the age of consent at all? Because mature people can decide for themselves what they want to do?

Lmao Dude come on.

Yes, women can choose to fuck who they want, but that's not the issue here.

The issue is this dude is an asshole and he's been flirting with tons of girls while acting like "I'm that goofy Danny Sexbang guy!" and promising them a lot more than sex, and then they end up having sex and he completely ghosts them and breaks their hearts. He's been doing this for years.

It's gross and unprofessional shit. And I say that being a fan of Ninja Sex Party likely before anyone on the board knew who they were. Dan fucking sucks.

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Yeah, I wouldn't call him a groomer (at least not of underage girls), but if these stories are true, he is manipulative and scummy. I'm guessing he's an emotionally stunted manchild who can't summon the maturity and courage needed to be honest with these girls and tell them bluntly that he's only interested in casual flings, so he strings them along and hurts them.

I'm guessing these kind of stories have become way more common during the past decade or two. Celeb sex and groupie culture has been around for like 100 years, but through social media, some of these crazy groupies (the girl in SmartGuy's link writes that she got a Dan/Game Grumps tattoo - she's nuts) can actually establish regular conversation and an emotional bond with these celebs that wasn't possible before (even with E-listers like Dan). That bond has to make the inevitable ghosting much more painful than in the 80s, when a traveling musician banged you and disappeared until he toured the same town a year later.

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None of those accounts say 'Dan is a jackass' to me, what they say is some people found out casual sex wasn't for them. I sympathize with them, but I don't think reading some sort of cruelty into it is appropriate or accurate. People have different emotional compositions and sometimes wants and needs are unclear.

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i haven't read the documents yet but ghosting is fucking dumb. if dan did that on a regular basis, i would say he is a jackass.

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I'm on a 12 hour shift right now so I haven't had much time to look into it but it looks like the 10 number came from r/rantgrumps so while I don't doubt the likelihood of more stories, they're pretty notoriously biased (they fucking love JonTron).

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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Lmao Dude come on.

Yes, women can choose to fuck who they want, but that's not the issue here.

The issue is this dude is an asshole and he's been flirting with tons of girls while acting like "I'm that goofy Danny Sexbang guy!" and promising them a lot more than sex, and then they end up having sex and he completely ghosts them and breaks their hearts. He's been doing this for years.

It's gross and unprofessional shit. And I say that being a fan of Ninja Sex Party likely before anyone on the board knew who they were. Dan fucking sucks.

"Unprofessional"

So you know basically nothing about famous musicians huh?

Straight up, we need to stop calling this a "power dynamic." She doesn't friggin work for him, never has and never will. If you think ghosting is scummy, so be it. But worth cancelling the dude over? Naw.

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wg64Z posted...

"Unprofessional"

So you know basically nothing about famous musicians huh?

Straight up, we need to stop calling this a "power dynamic." She doesn't friggin work for him, never has and never will. If you think ghosting is scummy, so be it. But worth cancelling the dude over? Naw.

First of all, you need to stop acting like he's just a famous musician. He's not. He's a Youtuber as well, and he markets himself on cutesy bullshit and people watch this dude in literally daily videos and become attached. He uses that power dynamic of him being someone famous they have watched hours upon hours upon hours of him and talking about his life in videos and making him laugh. This isn't like a musician people barely know and don't get attached to the actual person--this guy has at least a tens of thousands of hours of him online being himself on top of this.

So yes, he has a power dynamic. People have grown up in their formative years liking him. He has the power to contact any one of them easily through a single click of a button on twitter and he slides in their DMs to talk about how he wants a relationship with them and talking to them for an extended amount of time--VERY different than a one night stand with groupies and shit--and then promptly never speaks to them again. And he does this with at least a dozen cases by now. People who looked up to him and knew him more than "That guy who sang that song I liked."

No, it's not worth cancelling him over. I'm not advocating that. But he's still a piece of shit and if it ruins his career here, it's because he's been a piece of shit to people and they don't want to support that.

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I dont like that argument, purely because the autonomy of women is only considered when convenient. Women can do what they want with their bodies until they choose to sleep with a celebrity they like? Then its the big bad boogeyman took advantage of those poor women who dont have brains to make their own choices or anything. They can say no just as easily as yes. He only sent messages as far as I could tell. If youre trying to say fans cant say no to sex messages and its Dans fault, thats very silly.
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I feel like "scummy" is more appropriate than "piece of shit", which is a pretty strong condemnation that's being thrown around too liberally.

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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

It's just really unprofessional to pump and dump your fans.

yeah but

so?

"I don't like the way these two adults who had consensual sex panned out" dude you should like the biggest wiener

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StifledSilence posted...

I dont like that argument, purely because the autonomy of women is only considered when convenient. Women can do what they want with their bodies until they choose to sleep with a celebrity they like? Then its the big bad boogeyman took advantage of those poor women who dont have brains to make their own choices or anything. They can say no just as easily as yes. He only sent messages as far as I could tell. If youre trying to say fans cant say no to sex messages and its Dans fault, thats very silly.

I have never said that. I have said that the issue is he has led them on and he knows they have a far bigger infatuation with him after watching him every day. It's taking advantage of that status and actually promising them more than just fucking them like a relationship and then completely shut off any and all contact after.

Like you're arguing it's okay if people get taken advantage of. That's all he's doing here is taking advantage of women. It's shitty behavior.

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It was shown that he goes after people in poor emotional states for this, people who are guaranteed to be more seriously affected by it than 'guess we're through, time to move on'. So it's really not defensible, no. It's telling that there are people still trying, though.

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Geosanta posted...

yeah but

so?

"I don't like the way these two adults who had consensual sex panned out" dude you should like the biggest wiener

I just dont want to support a dickhead is that too hard to understand?

Maybe they shouldnt have believed random internet man promising them a relationship? Lets say I was in my early 20s and hot famous lady X that I had a crush on sent me a private message and asked if I wanted a relationship. Am I so starstruck that I say yes? No, thats really dumb. Why would a celebrity that has a ton of fans message random ass me for a serious relationship? That fact that anyone bought into that is sheer stupidity.

Im not saying Dan is a saint here, Id file what he did in the aww thats mean category, but this situation isnt worth mentioning at all.
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StifledSilence posted...

Maybe they shouldnt have believed random internet man promising them a relationship? Lets say I was in my early 20s and hot famous lady X that I had a crush on sent me a private message and asked if I wanted a relationship. Am I so starstruck that I say yes? No, thats really dumb. Why would a celebrity that has a ton of fans message random ass me for a serious relationship? That fact that anyone bought into that is sheer stupidity.

nice victim blaming

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Victim of what? He wasnt what they thought he was? Unless he attacked them in some way, this is a non issue.
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StifledSilence posted...

Maybe they shouldnt have believed random internet man promising them a relationship? Lets say I was in my early 20s and hot famous lady X that I had a crush on sent me a private message and asked if I wanted a relationship. Am I so starstruck that I say yes? No, thats really dumb. Why would a celebrity that has a ton of fans message random ass me for a serious relationship? That fact that anyone bought into that is sheer stupidity.

Im not saying Dan is a saint here, Id file what he did in the aww thats mean category, but this situation isnt worth mentioning at all.

It may be mean to say, but I'll just say it.

If you're a fan of Game Grumps, the LPers where one of them literally shit himself while recording a video and giggled about it, then you might not be emotionally mature enough to rationally think about it. A lot of these girls don't have that frame of reference. They buy fucking body pillows of these two. It's a pretty weird fanbase filled with people who probably aren't emotionally developed as they should be.

I don't know what you expect from people who get taken advantage, but saying "Well they're just fucking stupid" isn't the take here to have, especially when he is specifically targeting people in their early 20's, an age where people are just becoming adults and spoilers: were probably fucking stupid like a lot of people in their early 20's. He's not trying to hunt down people in their 30's. It's literally all people in their early 20's.

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StifledSilence posted...

Victim of what? He wasnt what they thought he was? Unless he attacked them in some way, this is a non issue.

victim of dan being a liar and a dick?

if dan says "i want a relationship with you" to a girl and then ghosts her, i think it's really reaching to say "well this was obviously the girl's fault because she wasn't too smart."

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Shonen_Bat posted...

It was shown that he goes after people in poor emotional states for this

How does one go about proving a claim like this? Like... do you think he maliciously targets emotionally damaged women while leaving emotionally "healthy" ones alone?

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CaptainOfCrush posted...

How does one go about proving a claim like this? Like... do you think he maliciously targets emotionally damaged women while leaving emotionally "healthy" ones alone?

Yeah, I don't know about this either, but I know he is specifically targeting people in their early 20's when he's a 40 something year old.

Edit: Which, again, screw who you like but if you have a pattern of going after people fresh out of high school that usually don't know any better, you probably know what you're doing.

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

victim of dan being a liar and a dick?

if dan says "i want a relationship with you" to a girl and then ghosts her, i think it's really reaching to say "well this was obviously the girl's fault because she wasn't too smart."

I never said what he did was good. But I think its really reaching to say these girls are victims for choices they made.
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StifledSilence posted...

I never said what he did was good. But I think its really reaching to say these girls are victims for choices they made.

...Even if they made these decisions based off of lies?

When they have watched thousands of hours of Dan Avidan, who presents himself as a sweet and honest guy?

With an entire fanbase of people who also say "He's so kind and caring!" I mean we had someone in this topic post that all of this is a lie because Dan is too nice of a dude.

Why would they have any reason to believe he was being dishonest when he's treating them like they're special and NOT like he's talking to a bunch of other women?

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A mid-30s D-list celeb hooking up with a 22 year old fan is about the lowest bar for a controversy I've seen.

Also the fact that a forum that exists solely to trash on GameGrumps for firing JonTron like a decade ago are just adding random made up details and people are parroting the claims as if they have merit is ridiculous.