Poll of the Day > You don't go on a killing rampage because of having a "a bad day".

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Judgmenl
03/18/21 4:12:44 PM
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This is the first time I am hearing about this shooting. Are the police just incompetent?

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Mead
03/18/21 4:16:48 PM
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What is making you think they are incompetent? And its sad but because of mental health struggles some people can snap and do something terrible unfortunately.

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Jen0125
03/18/21 4:18:01 PM
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No, they aren't incompetent. They're intentionally malicious.

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myghostisdead
03/18/21 4:28:42 PM
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Sane people don't.

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Mead
03/18/21 4:35:20 PM
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Which story is this about? Is it the one about the guy who killed a bunch of Asian women?

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Zeus
03/18/21 4:37:04 PM
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You don't go on a killing rampage because of having a "a bad day".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvLlWh-guck

Otherwise the shooter apparently had some mental health, including sex addiction -- a fact backed up by multiple witnesses -- so a bad day is more likely to set him off than it would a normal person, although even a lot of people who don't have a history of mental illness have sometimes been set off by a bad day.

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Jen0125
03/18/21 4:41:11 PM
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Mead posted...
Which story is this about? Is it the one about the guy who killed a bunch of Asian women?

Yeah the lead law enforcement guy in that area said it happened because the shooter was "having a bad day."

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BADoglick
03/18/21 4:41:28 PM
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They can't acknowledge it was a hate crime because the police officer was selling t shirts blaming the Chinese for corona

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TheNobleWoodApe
03/18/21 4:42:17 PM
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Zeus posted...
including sex addiction

Just guessing these "massage parlors" offered "additional services" then.

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adjl
03/18/21 4:56:08 PM
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Zeus posted...
even a lot of people who don't have a history of mental illness have sometimes been set off by a bad day.

A history of *documented* mental illness. Mentally healthy people don't go on murder sprees, regardless of how bad their day has been

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Mead
03/18/21 5:02:09 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
Yeah the lead law enforcement guy in that area said it happened because the shooter was "having a bad day."

Im not even sure what that is supposed to mean

what a stupid thing to say

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Blighboy
03/18/21 5:05:14 PM
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The tweet or whatever from the news station that was like "we have photos that prove the killer was previously a child" honestly felt more fucked to me than what the cop said. The cop could have misspoke (though thats seeming unlikely), the pictures of the killer as a child felt like a deliberate attempt to mitigate his behaviour with the weakest of emotional appeals.

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Mead
03/18/21 5:07:07 PM
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fuck these cops

fuck this racist ass society

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adjl
03/18/21 5:08:58 PM
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Mead posted...
Im not even sure what that is supposed to mean

what a stupid thing to say

I'm guessing it translates roughly to "I know the guy's parents and don't want to offend them by actually calling their son a deranged psychopath." That, or his parents hold some sort of power within the community and he doesn't want to piss them off.

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Blighboy
03/18/21 5:09:10 PM
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adjl posted...
A history of *documented* mental illness. Mentally healthy people don't go on murder sprees, regardless of how bad their day has been. Anyone that does such a thing is mentally ill, regardless of whether or not that's been formally diagnosed or otherwise recognized.
Radicalized people do this shit all the time. We don't traditionally treat it as mental illness and it's not classically defined as such.

I don't know if it's helpful or even accurate to begin looking at white supremacy or misogyny as mental health crises.


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adjl
03/18/21 5:13:42 PM
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Blighboy posted...
Radicalized people do this s*** all the time. We don't traditionally treat it as mental illness and it's not classically defined as such.

I don't know if it's helpful or even accurate to begin looking at white supremacy or misogyny as mental health crises.

Broadly, a mental disorder is a mental state that interferes with one's ability to function in everyday life. Informally, I'd say that white supremacy could definitely qualify as mentally disordered, even if it doesn't align with any formally defined Mental Disorder. Think about it like mild nausea: Something's not working right, but generally you aren't going to meet any sort of diagnostic criteria for a specific gastrointesinal disease. Except instead of a tummyache, you're murdering people because they're not white enough.

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Blighboy
03/18/21 5:19:20 PM
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The issue I find is that at it's core, it's not merely that they don't function in society. It's that they want to actively reshape society. Elliot Rodger, shitlord-in-chief, wrote a detailed manifesto not merely outlining his own personal failings, but also detailing the kind of misogynist society he sought to help create. Many other mass murderers have similar documents outlining specific political goals.

These people see themselves as soldiers in a war.

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Zeus
03/18/21 5:19:23 PM
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TheNobleWoodApe posted...
Just guessing these "massage parlors" offered "additional services" then.

I'm not sure where I saw the reference so I don't want to cite it as a matter of fact, but I thought I might have seen it mentioned somewhere that he had been to at least one of those parlors before.

Otherwise massage parlors often tend to have that reputation, even when they're aboveboard because massage parlors do get used as fronts for prostitution.

adjl posted...
A history of *documented* mental illness. Mentally healthy people don't go on murder sprees, regardless of how bad their day has been. Anyone that does such a thing is mentally ill, regardless of whether or not that's been formally diagnosed or otherwise recognized.

A history of mental illness already implies documentation. Beyond that, I would refer you to abnormality vs insanity (although I would have assumed you were familiar with cases like Leopold & Loeb)


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Judgmenl
03/18/21 5:20:28 PM
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Apparently the rumor going around is the shooter was a sexual deviant of some kind. I don't want to say predator because I'm only gleaming what is going on.

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Mead
03/18/21 5:24:31 PM
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Judgmenl posted...
Apparently the rumor going around is the shooter was a sexual deviant of some kind. I don't want to say predator because I'm only gleaming what is going on.

i mean he went on a killing spree

thats about as predator as it gets as far as harm to others goes

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JOExHIGASHI
03/18/21 5:28:37 PM
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They're repeating what the shooter said.

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adjl
03/18/21 5:34:26 PM
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Blighboy posted...
These people see themselves as soldiers in a war.

Sounds a lot like psychosis to me.

Zeus posted...
I'm not sure where I saw the reference so I don't want to cite it as a matter of fact, but I thought I might have seen it mentioned somewhere that he had been to at least one of those parlors before.

Otherwise massage parlors often tend to have that reputation, even when they're aboveboard because massage parlors do get used as fronts for prostitution.

For what it's worth, I also saw such a reference but also don't remember exactly where, so your anecdotal evidence is twice as reliable now. I also saw (in another topic on this subject) that two of the three parlours were listed in a couple of local apps for seeking sex workers, so I think it's reasonable to accept the presumption that they were operating as such.

Zeus posted...
A history of mental illness already implies documentation.

As commonly used, that is the assumption, but it really doesn't need to be. Very few of these cases genuinely come out of nowhere. There are almost always warning signs of preexisting mental health issues that nobody follows up on (for any number of reasons, some of them quite legitimate), even if the person never actually gets a diagnosis.

Zeus posted...
Beyond that, I would refer you to abnormality vs insanity

Which is basically what I'm getting at above with the concept of informal mental disorders. Forming a distinction between the two is not without merit, particularly for the sake of not stigmatizing people that are mentally ill in a manner that is quite harmless to those around them, but I would argue that - even without a formal diagnosed disorder - any concept of sanity that doesn't automatically exclude mass murderers is largely useless.

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Mead
03/18/21 5:42:01 PM
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JOExHIGASHI posted...
They're repeating what the shooter said.

is that typical procedure

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Blighboy
03/18/21 5:45:16 PM
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adjl posted...
Sounds a lot like psychosis to me.
Does it stop being so once they form paramilitary groups, or once they start an actual war? At what point did the members of the KKK become mentally ill?

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DeltaBladeX
03/18/21 6:16:21 PM
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Lokarin
03/18/21 6:22:56 PM
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Why would anyone shoot anyone 'cuz of a good day?


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streamofthesky
03/18/21 9:18:59 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
Yeah the lead law enforcement guy in that area said it happened because the shooter was "having a bad day."
I hope every single day for the rest of his life is a "bad day" and that he doesn't have too many more bad days before a well deserved trip to the chair.

Judgmenl posted...
Apparently the rumor going around is the shooter was a sexual deviant of some kind. I don't want to say predator because I'm only gleaming what is going on.
I guess those were all just bad days, too.

JOExHIGASHI posted... They're repeating what the shooter said.
Didn't realize it was the job of the police to be spokespeople for mass murderers.
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JOExHIGASHI
03/18/21 9:28:59 PM
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streamofthesky posted...
Didn't realize it was the job of the police to be spokespeople for mass murderers.
It's not but is there something wrong with sharing this information?

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Lokarin
03/18/21 9:34:30 PM
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Apparently the cop that did the interview WAS an anti-asian racist... so, umm, lulz?

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JOExHIGASHI
03/18/21 9:37:19 PM
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Also the "bad day" thing sounds like a reference to The Joker. This actually fits the stereotype if you look at him and his profile.

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Mead
03/18/21 9:42:02 PM
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Its fucking pathetic how many white supremacists and racist assholes are employed as cops

many of them should be behind bars themselves

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Blighboy
03/18/21 9:43:56 PM
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JOExHIGASHI posted...
Also the "bad day" thing sounds like a reference to The Joker. This actually fits the stereotype if you look at him and his profile.
I was thinking more "Officer, I have had a doozy of a day"

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JOExHIGASHI
03/18/21 11:29:29 PM
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Blighboy posted...
I was thinking more "Officer, I have had a doozy of a day"
https://youtu.be/EvLlWh-guck

I'm still leaning towards neckbeard/incel. The obvious thing is his facial hair. He's also racist and sexually frustrated. So Joker reference would make sense if he came from those groups.

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fishy071
03/19/21 1:01:07 AM
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That's right. You're not supposed to do that for any reason. People are evil.

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adjl
03/19/21 9:03:05 AM
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Blighboy posted...
Does it stop being so once they form paramilitary groups, or once they start an actual war?

I wouldn't say so. Such activities aren't exactly mentally healthy, after all.

Blighboy posted...
At what point did the members of the KKK become mentally ill?

Arguably, when society evolved such that their philosophies and actions were no longer acceptable. Defining mental illness based on the social norms at the time is perhaps a bit questionable, but if we're defining disordered thinking as anything that detriments the life of the person and those around them (significantly and systematically, at least, since I don't think there's any merit in saying somebody's mentally ill because they voluntarily farted in an elevator once), sociology has to factor into that because it's going to depend on what people expect and need from the person.

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Krazy_Kirby
03/19/21 11:40:34 AM
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you do in gta.
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deoxxys
03/19/21 3:38:12 PM
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TheNobleWoodApe posted...
Just guessing these "massage parlors" offered "additional services" then.
@TheNobleWoodApe
Massage parlors really arent SUPPOSED to offer these services but its sort of a really lowkey thing where if you put a certain amount of cash on the table during your massage you can get a handjob for about $40-60 and full on sex for a $100-160+ tip

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TheNobleWoodApe
03/19/21 4:38:21 PM
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deoxxys posted...
@TheNobleWoodApe
Massage parlors really arent SUPPOSED to offer these services but its sort of a really lowkey thing where if you put a certain amount of cash on the table during your massage you can get a handjob for about $40-60 and full on sex for a $100-160+ tip

I'm aware of how it works. Not from personal experience, but in my hometown there were like 4 of the places on the main road I lived off of.

They'd inevitably get busted in a sting once every year or so (I assume someone wasn't getting paid off), close for a month, and reopen "under new management" and go right back to happy endings. 3 of them were asian parlors, and one was run by Russians from what I heard thru the grapevine.

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Judgmenl
03/19/21 5:38:26 PM
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deoxxys posted...
Massage parlors really arent SUPPOSED to offer these services but its sort of a really lowkey thing where if you put a certain amount of cash on the table during your massage you can get a handjob for about $40-60 and full on sex for a $100-160+ tip
o_O

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party_animal07
03/19/21 6:09:59 PM
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deoxxys posted...
@TheNobleWoodApe
Massage parlors really arent SUPPOSED to offer these services but its sort of a really lowkey thing where if you put a certain amount of cash on the table during your massage you can get a handjob for about $40-60 and full on sex for a $100-160+ tip
$40-60 for an old fashioned!? No thanks.

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Lokarin
03/19/21 6:41:02 PM
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How many people go on killing sprees 'cuz they just won the lotto?

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