Poll of the Day > Super Mario 64 Sucks... And Here's Why

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcWUuFz595o
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i disagree so i don't need to watch a guy complain for 17:00, nice

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ok

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But first, we need to talk about parallel universes.

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The game came out 25 years ago. What kind of loser is still making YouTube videos convincing people it sucks

ReturnOfFa posted...

i disagree so i don't need to watch a guy complain for 17:00, nice

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OhhhJa posted...

The game came out 25 years ago. What kind of loser is still making YouTube videos convincing people it sucks

Without watching it, I bet its a clickbait title

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I watched the first 2 and a half minutes. He mentioned Mario's movement feeling slippery and how wall jumping was as fluid as it could have been. I decided to keep watching. He seems to like underwater parts. He doesn't like the camera, but that's a lot of people... he also said that the Mario All Stars game was his first experience with the game. I'm not sure if he's taking into account that the game is much older than the newer stuff, so of course the controls are as good or responsive. Not to mention, it was made for a different set of controls...

That being said, he did say, "These are just my opinions. You have yours. I have mine. That should be obvious. Don't be an ass."

So, it's whatever....
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LinkPizza posted...

he also said that the Mario All Stars game was his first experience

Yeah, hes a zoomer

anyway sounds like typical vapid YouTube bullshit

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It's obviously a dated game but he complains about silly things like the bookshelf puzzle in Big Boo's Haunt. Tl;dw mad cause bad

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I dislike 3D platformers BECAUSE of SM64, but I would not say SM64 "sucks".

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I dont like super Mario 64, but I dont definitely need to watch a video about some guy who i dont knows opinion of a 20 year old game

like for any reason ever

LinkPizza posted...

he also said that the Mario All Stars game was his first experience with the game.

That will be my experience too. Same with Mario Sunshine. I have played and own Galaxy on the WII though.

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Judgmenl posted...

I dislike 3D platformers BECAUSE of SM64, but I would not say SM64 "sucks".

You let your opinion on an entire subgenre be dictated by one of the first examples of the genre from 25 years ago, whose controls and mechanics are well-known to be very dated and not representative of modern gameplay conventions within said subgenre?

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Well it is kind of dated yeah but pretty good for its time.

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I just got 70 stars for the first time a month ago and I agree, its fucking terrible. The camera is so bad.

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adjl posted...

You let your opinion on an entire subgenre be dictated by one of the first examples of the genre from 25 years ago, whose controls and mechanics are well-known to be very dated and not representative of modern gameplay conventions within said subgenre?

Yea, I'm weird like that.

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I got 120 stars for the first time when the 3D pack came out on switch and had a blast doing it. Only like a handful of the 120 missions did I not really enjoy.

Camera is dated, but manageable.

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I never had an N64 so never played it much.
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adjl posted...

You let your opinion on an entire subgenre be dictated by one of the first examples of the genre from 25 years ago, whose controls and mechanics are well-known to be very dated and not representative of modern gameplay conventions within said subgenre?

He could be referring to pretty much all 3d platformers for a long time using the SM64 formula of: slowly and awkwardly bump around and collect stuff. Good 2d platforming (SM3, SMW etc.) Was about managing speed, screen space, and enemies, it wasn't as twitchy as a 2d shooter, but a lot of the skill was reactionary and speed related.
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MICHALECOLE posted...

I dont like super Mario 64, but I dont definitely need to watch a video about some guy who i dont knows opinion of a 20 year old game

like for any reason ever

Agreed

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DirtBasedSoap posted...

I just got 70 stars for the first time a month ago and I agree, its fucking terrible. The camera is so bad.

I always stop playing the game when I get to the clock level and the one where you fly around on that magic carpet

fuck that shit it is not even fun at all

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I have never gotten 120 stars but I have beaten the game. I liked it but I prefer Galaxy

Mead posted...

I always stop playing the game when I get to the clock level and the one where you fly around on that magic carpet

fuck that shit it is not even fun at all

I agree but part of why super mario 64 is so good and why sunshine dropped the ball is that a couple months ago I replayed 64 and didnt get a single star from either of those levels because I didnt have to
You can just get all the stars in the levels you like and ignore the rest

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TheSlinja posted...

I agree but part of why super mario 64 is so good and why sunshine dropped the ball is that a couple months ago I replayed 64 and didnt get a single star from either of those levels because I didnt have to
You can just get all the stars in the levels you like and ignore the rest

I suppose youre right cause I have beaten SM64 despite never having gotten close to 120 stars, but Ive never beaten Sunshine, I just eventually stop playing it

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Shit I forgot they're going to remove the collection from Switch soon and I still don't have one. I really want to replay Sunshine. I never finished it but had a lot of fun with it on Gamecube.
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Revelation34 posted...

Shit I forgot they're going to remove the collection from Switch soon and I still don't have one. I really want to replay Sunshine. I never finished it but had a lot of fun with it on Gamecube.

End of the month so I'd grab it fast.

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Revelation34 posted...

Shit I forgot they're going to remove the collection from Switch soon

what???

why the hell are they doing that?

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Because Nintendo is fucking stupid.

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Zareth posted...

Because Nintendo is fucking stupid.

Part of me wants to make sure and buy it before the end of the month now

But part of me also wants to never buy anything from Nintendo again because of that shit

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As Jim Sterling says it's morally right to pirate Nintendo games.

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ReturnOfFa posted...

i disagree so i don't need to watch a guy complain for 17:00, nice

This.
click bait.

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Mead posted...

Part of me wants to make sure and buy it before the end of the month now

But part of me also wants to never buy anything from Nintendo again because of that shit

It also has a physical release so you could always buy that even after this month. But eventually copies may go up in price

I havent bought it digital or physical yet either. But probably going to sometime this month. I actually did kinda want to play Galaxy again

Zikten posted...

It also has a physical release so you could always buy that even after this month. But eventually copies may go up in price

I havent bought it digital or physical yet either. But probably going to sometime this month. I actually did kinda want to play Galaxy again

Ok I didnt know there was a physical version as well but it is nuts that they wont even make that available anymore either. I wonder if they are gonna let retailers sell remaining stock or if they made them sign some agreement that they have to pull the copies from the shelves.

They arent Disney though and if they are really gonna try to do some Disney Vault type stuff with video games then I might just skip Nintendo stuff going forward

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Zikten posted...

It also has a physical release so you could always buy that even after this month. But eventually copies may go up in price

I havent bought it digital or physical yet either. But probably going to sometime this month. I actually did kinda want to play Galaxy again

I doubt it. I see stacks and stacks of this game at my local Best Buy and it is a top 15 best selling Switch game. I mean it is already down to $40 on Ebay it is so common. I would be surprised if this game is worth a lot.

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Final Fantasy2389 posted...

End of the month so I'd grab it fast.

I'm not going to waste that kind of money for something I don't own.
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I always felt it sucked, but I am pretty sure my reasons aren't even addressed in the video. I think it sucks because I think every 3d platformer from the 90's and early 00's suck. They all have the same problems: Slower gameplay than their 2D counterparts, difficulty based solely on camera angles, formulaic boss fights, and an over-reliance on "open" levels with multiple objectives.

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Mead posted...

what???

why the hell are they doing that?

"You've had six months to buy this which is ample time. If you didn't, then you didn't want it anyway and it's your fault for missing out." -Rabid defenders

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Dikitain posted...

I always felt it sucked, but I am pretty sure my reasons aren't even addressed in the video. I think it sucks because I think every 3d platformer from the 90's and early 00's suck. They all have the same problems: Slower gameplay than their 2D counterparts, difficulty based solely on camera angles, formulaic boss fights, and an over-reliance on "open" levels with multiple objectives.

Formulaic boss fights was pretty par for the course for 2D platformers as well honestly

jump on boss's head 3 times to make them go BOOP
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I disagree about Mario 64. It was one of the best N64 games hands down and it was also one of the best Mario games ever.

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BUMPED2002 posted...

I disagree about Mario 64. It was one of the best N64 games hands down and it was also one of the best Mario games ever.

Yeah, camera issues withstanding, I think I'd still have a good time going through the game today

Dikitain posted...

I always felt it sucked, but I am pretty sure my reasons aren't even addressed in the video. I think it sucks because I think every 3d platformer from the 90's and early 00's suck. They all have the same problems: Slower gameplay than their 2D counterparts, difficulty based solely on camera angles, formulaic boss fights, and an over-reliance on "open" levels with multiple objectives.

They are different type games. 3d platformers are more about collecting stuff and exploring than tough platform challenges (most likely due to the issues with depth perception in a 3d environment), while older 2d platformers were more about beating the stage. Although, nowadays even 2d platformers are mostly about collecting stuff than actually being challenging. Overall, I feel like 3d platformers have a ton of potential with the extra dimension and increased mobility options. It is a shame that they are relatively rare whereas 2d platformers are pumped out with wild abandon.

As for Mario 64, it does not blow me away anymore with the overly simplified environments, but at the time it was mind blowing with all the mobility options, the analogue stick, big open environments ect and Mario 64 DS was a crazy ambitious port for a DS game. It is hard to believe that you could get a big 3d game on the DS like that.

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I've lost count on how many times I've gotten all 120 stars in SM64 over the years.

Good game but it shows its age sometimes.

I've only gotten all 120 stars in Sunshine twice(once on GC and once in 3D Allstars) because of those blue coins.
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I figured it was some clickbait by some troll desperate for attention, hell, then the first minute made me think that he was making fun of people that make that type of video. Then it turned out he has a LOT of legitimate problems with it, and he focused on the game itself instead of the games fanbase.

I don't like the game either. Like most ps1 and Nintendo 64 action games it's early 3d, and dear god does it show.

If you want good, older 3d action games, go with the PS2.

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I don't know why people are acting like Super Mario 64 doesn't still hold up with 3D platformers. That game is easily better than 95% of the clones that came in it's wake.

Dikitain posted...

I always felt it sucked, but I am pretty sure my reasons aren't even addressed in the video. I think it sucks because I think every 3d platformer from the 90's and early 00's suck. They all have the same problems: Slower gameplay than their 2D counterparts, difficulty based solely on camera angles, formulaic boss fights, and an over-reliance on "open" levels with multiple objectives.

Winner. Couldn't agree more.
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ultra magnus13 posted...

Winner. Couldn't agree more.

alls arv hears from all this is "wahhh i suck at the game so it must suck"

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OhhhJa posted...

Formulaic boss fights was pretty par for the course for 2D platformers as well honestly

Boss fights just suck in most platformers, unless they've got more complex combat systems like Megaman or Metroidvanias (in which case the game as a whole tends to be focused more on combat than platforming). Platforming just isn't a good way to fight bosses, but platformers' game engines and control schemes are mostly just designed for platforming and not more engaging combat.

That said, I saw a video once that looked at how Mario Odyssey circumvented the usual problems boss fights have in platformers. The formula for platformer bosses is generally to alternate between vulnerable phases (in which you have to manoeuvre to hit them) and attack phases (in which you have to use your platforming skills to dodge their attacks), which becomes a problem when the player is familiar enough with the game that the attack phases are easy and the fight essentially becomes a matter of waiting, bored, until the vulnerable phase shows up. What Odyssey did to subvert this was add challenging, not-immediately-obvious ways to interrupt the attack phases and jump straight to the vulnerable one. That means more skilled players don't have to wait around as long, which is huge for speedrunners and just generally makes the game's bosses less of a chore than bosses usually are in platformers.

JTekashiro posted...

I don't know why people are acting like Super Mario 64 doesn't still hold up with 3D platformers. That game is easily better than 95% of the clones that came in it's wake.

It's really mostly just its camera that hasn't aged well (and graphics, obviously, but that's a given). The level design and controls (camera aside) were great, it's just held back by a camera that's bad even by the standard set by Banjo Kazooie a year later.

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