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Antifar 03/09/21 4:49:12 PM #1:	What's a home worth? It's a tough question, and it's one that Vicki Baker found herself trying to answer the hard way after a SWAT team mutilated her house in McKinney, Texas, during a standoff with a fugitive who had barricaded himself inside. "For two days, I couldn't quit crying," Baker says. "The tear gas was everywhere. It was on the walls. It was on the floors. It was on the furniture. It was everywhere." Prior to the SWAT showdown, Baker's daughter, Deanna, gave officers a key to the home, as well as a garage door opener and the back gate code. Agents took a different route. They smashed six windows. Instead of using the code, they maneuvered a BearCat armored vehicle through her fencing. Instead of using the clicker, they detonated explosives to blow off the garage entryway. And instead of using the key, they drove right on through her front door. "It was after the insurance company told me there was no coverage that I really fell apart," Baker adds. The company furnished a clause that protects them from liability in cases where the government is at fault for the damage. But the city demurred: There would be no coverage from them. She was not a victim, according to the state. "I've lost everything," Baker says. "I've lost my chance to sell my house. I've lost my chance to retire without fear of how I'm going tomake my regular bills." On July 25, 2020, news broke that a man named Wesley Little had kidnapped a 15-year-old girl. He arrived at Baker's home, where he had done some work as a handyman about a year and a half prior; Baker had terminated him after Deanna said she felt something wasn't right. It was Deanna who answered the door that day. Having seen the news reports, and frightened for her safety, she let him in, left the home, and called the police. Little eventually released the girl unharmed but refused to leave himself, which is when the SWAT team swooped in. After destroying the house, they found Little inside, dead from suicide. Baker had recently located a buyer for the home. The 76-year-old, who is battling stage 3 breast cancer, was set to begin retirement with her husband in Montana. Predictably, the sale fell through, as the house was no longer livable. She spent about $50,000 making repairs, a chunk of which she took from her retirement, though some things couldn't be remedied: An antique doll collection from her late mother, which she hoped to gift to her granddaughter, was left covered in tear gas, and her daughter's dog was rendered deaf and blind. Baker eventually landed another buyerfor significantly less than she did prior to police declaring war on the structure. Over the last year, debates around law enforcement accountability and immunity have rapidly moved from little-known doctrines to dinner-table conversations. The legal concept central in Baker's case has yet to gain traction in the mainstream dialogue, however: The Takings Clause of the Fifth Amendment requires that the public be compensated for property taken or destroyed by the government, but some lower courts have bafflingly exempted state actions from that if they were pursued under "police power." A lawsuit filed by the Institute for Justice (IJ) in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Texas aims to clarify that. "They're forcing unlucky individuals to shoulder the burden of doing something that's good for society," says Jeffrey Redfern, an attorney with IJ. "Taking dangerous criminals off the street is good for society. If the city decides that it really needs to put a road through your house, that might be the right call. It might be something the community really needs. But that doesn't justify making one unlucky owner bear the cost of doing something that's good for everyone." Whether or not the police needed to attack the modest McKinney home with brute militaristic force perhaps more appropriate for a battlefield is indeed an important topic for debate. "I have a very high regard for the police," says Baker, who identifies as a Christian conservative. "I'm very grateful for them." But she remains skeptical of their tactics that day: "I thought it was a bit over the top," she adds. She tells me she in no way supports calls to "defund the police" but she sees a need for reform. Baker is not the first to lose her home to SWAT tactics gone awry, nor is this the first such case picked up by IJ. SWAT agents in 2015 totaled a $580,000 house in Greenwood Village, Colorado, while in pursuit of a shoplifter who had broken into the residence. The city handed the family a cool $5,000, and the Supreme Court subsequently declined to hear the case. Just last summer, police in Charlotte, North Carolina, decimated a home as they tried to coax a suspect out. The problem: He wasn't even there. I ask Baker how she'd like to see this nightmare endwhat exactly would bring closure? "I'd like to getsome of this money back," she says. "I would. But the main reason I wanted to do this, and go through whatever it took to do it, was to set [a] precedent." https://reason.com/2021/03/05/swat-team-destroyed-innocent-womans-house-while-chasing-fugitive-city-refuses-to-pay-fifth-amendment/ --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:951528925] in SWAT team ... [t:79339798]...</cite> <quote><quote>What's a home worth? It's a tough question, and it's one that Vicki Baker found herself trying to answer the hard way after a SWAT team mutilated her house in McKinney, Texas, during a standoff with a fugitive who had barricaded himself inside. "For two days, I couldn't quit crying," Baker says. "The tear gas was everywhere. It was on the walls. It was on the floors. It was on the furniture. It was everywhere." Prior to the SWAT showdown, Baker's daughter, Deanna, gave officers a key to the home, as well as a garage door opener and the back gate code. Agents took a different route. They smashed six windows. Instead of using the code, they maneuvered a BearCat armored vehicle through her fencing. Instead of using the clicker, they detonated explosives to blow off the garage entryway. And instead of using the key, they drove right on through her front door. "It was after the insurance company told me there was no coverage that I really fell apart," Baker adds. The company furnished a clause that protects them from liability in cases where the government is at fault for the damage. But the city demurred: There would be no coverage from them. She was not a victim, according to the state. "I've lost everything," Baker says. "I've lost my chance to sell my house. I've lost my chance to retire without fear of how I'm going tomake my regular bills." On July 25, 2020, news broke that a man named Wesley Little had kidnapped a 15-year-old girl. He arrived at Baker's home, where he had done some work as a handyman about a year and a half prior; Baker had terminated him after Deanna said she felt something wasn't right. It was Deanna who answered the door that day. Having seen the news reports, and frightened for her safety, she let him in, left the home, and called the police. Little eventually released the girl unharmed but refused to leave himself, which is when the SWAT team swooped in. After destroying the house, they found Little inside, dead from suicide. Baker had recently located a buyer for the home. The 76-year-old, who is battling stage 3 breast cancer, was set to begin retirement with her husband in Montana. Predictably, the sale fell through, as the house was no longer livable. She spent about $50,000 making repairs, a chunk of which she took from her retirement, though some things couldn't be remedied: An antique doll collection from her late mother, which she hoped to gift to her granddaughter, was left covered in tear gas, and her daughter's dog was rendered deaf and blind. Baker eventually landed another buyerfor significantly less than she did prior to police declaring war on the structure. Over the last year, debates around law enforcement accountability and immunity have rapidly moved from little-known doctrines to dinner-table conversations. The legal concept central in Baker's case has yet to gain traction in the mainstream dialogue, however: The Takings Clause of the Fifth Amendment requires that the public be compensated for property taken or destroyed by the government, but some lower courts have bafflingly exempted state actions from that if they were pursued under "police power." A lawsuit filed by the Institute for Justice (IJ) in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Texas aims to clarify that. "They're forcing unlucky individuals to shoulder the burden of doing something that's good for society," says Jeffrey Redfern, an attorney with IJ. "Taking dangerous criminals off the street is good for society. If the city decides that it really needs to put a road through your house, that might be the right call. It might be something the community really needs. But that doesn't justify making one unlucky owner bear the cost of doing something that's good for everyone." Whether or not the police needed to attack the modest McKinney home with brute militaristic force perhaps more appropriate for a battlefield is indeed an important topic for debate. "I have a very high regard for the police," says Baker, who identifies as a Christian conservative. "I'm very grateful for them." But she remains skeptical of their tactics that day: "I thought it was a bit over the top," she adds. She tells me she in no way supports calls to "defund the police" but she sees a need for reform. Baker is not the first to lose her home to SWAT tactics gone awry, nor is this the first such case picked up by IJ. SWAT agents in 2015 totaled a $580,000 house in Greenwood Village, Colorado, while in pursuit of a shoplifter who had broken into the residence. The city handed the family a cool $5,000, and the Supreme Court subsequently declined to hear the case. Just last summer, police in Charlotte, North Carolina, decimated a home as they tried to coax a suspect out. The problem: He wasn't even there. I ask Baker how she'd like to see this nightmare endwhat exactly would bring closure? "I'd like to getsome of this money back," she says. "I would. But the main reason I wanted to do this, and go through whatever it took to do it, was to set [a] precedent."</quote> https://reason.com/2021/03/05/swat-team-destroyed-innocent-womans-house-while-chasing-fugitive-city-refuses-to-pay-fifth-amendment/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
divot1338 03/09/21 4:51:03 PM #2:	This is the only reason we have lawyers. --- Moustache twirling villian https://i.imgur.com/U3lt3H4.jpg- Kerbey <cite>divot1338 posted [p:951528994] in SWAT team ... [t:79339798]...</cite> <quote>This is the only reason we have lawyers. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
littlebro07 03/09/21 4:53:03 PM #3:	What the fuck --- https://i.imgtc.com/MGGa6Os.gif <cite>littlebro07 posted [p:951529050] in SWAT team ... [t:79339798]...</cite> <quote>What the fuck </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thronedfire2 03/09/21 4:53:41 PM #4:	wow that's fucked up --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:951529065] in SWAT team ... [t:79339798]...</cite> <quote>wow that's fucked up </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ruvan22 03/09/21 4:56:44 PM #5:	I thought I'd heard of similar cases in the past... <cite>Ruvan22 posted [p:951529174] in SWAT team ... [t:79339798]...</cite> <quote>I thought I'd heard of similar cases in the past... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VipaGTS 03/09/21 4:59:58 PM #6:	well, i guess its better they destroyed her home instead of killing her with no repercussions --- "I devour urine just like my Portland Trailblazers, with piss poor defense." <cite>VipaGTS posted [p:951529260] in SWAT team ... [t:79339798]...</cite> <quote>well, i guess its better they destroyed her home instead of killing her with no repercussions </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Baneseeker 03/09/21 5:01:40 PM #7:	divot1338 posted... This is the only reason we have lawyers. Doubt she is gonna get anything. Something like this happened before and the judge sided with the cops. --- Now bring me that horizon <cite>Baneseeker posted [p:951529319] in SWAT team ... [t:79339798]...</cite> <quote>divot1338 posted... </cite> <quote>This is the only reason we have lawyers.</quote> Doubt she is gonna get anything. Something like this happened before and the judge sided with the cops. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IHeartRadiation 03/09/21 5:03:06 PM #8:	Not the first time this has happened either. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/10/31/colorado-town-not-liable-damages-police-destroy-man-home-court/4108163002/ --- I don't get it either. <cite>IHeartRadiation posted [p:951529371] in SWAT team ... [t:79339798]...</cite> <quote>Not the first time this has happened either. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/10/31/colorado-town-not-liable-damages-police-destroy-man-home-court/4108163002/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kastrada 03/09/21 5:03:56 PM #9:	Ruvan22 posted... I thought I'd heard of similar cases in the past... Yeah there was a case where SWAT used like military grade weapons on some dudes home in a similar case with some one who broke into the guy's home to avoid capture. The entire front of the house was gone. --- PoW '09 Topic of the Year Co-Winners (Rada and Texy) FFD <cite>Kastrada posted [p:951529403] in SWAT team ... [t:79339798]...</cite> <quote>Ruvan22 posted... </cite> <quote>I thought I'd heard of similar cases in the past...</quote> Yeah there was a case where SWAT used like military grade weapons on some dudes home in a similar case with some one who broke into the guy's home to avoid capture. The entire front of the house was gone. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MorbidFaithless 03/09/21 5:04:05 PM #10:	At this point we should all become cops and just do whatever we want with no repercussions. Who would stop us? The cops? --- walk like thunder <cite>MorbidFaithless posted [p:951529408] in SWAT team ... [t:79339798]...</cite> <quote>At this point we should all become cops and just do whatever we want with no repercussions. Who would stop us? The cops? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
divot1338 03/09/21 5:05:10 PM #11:	Put a lien on the police station if they dont pay up. --- Moustache twirling villian https://i.imgur.com/U3lt3H4.jpg- Kerbey <cite>divot1338 posted [p:951529443] in SWAT team ... [t:79339798]...</cite> <quote>Put a lien on the police station if they dont pay up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MacadamianNut3 03/09/21 5:15:56 PM #13:	Antifar posted... Instead of using the clicker, they detonated explosives to blow off the garage entryway. And instead of using the key, they drove right on through her front door. Seems totally reasonable --- Roll Tide & Go Irish <cite>MacadamianNut3 posted [p:951529812] in SWAT team ... [t:79339798]...</cite> <quote>Antifar posted... </cite> <quote>Instead of using the clicker, they detonated explosives to blow off the garage entryway. And instead of using the key, they drove right on through her front door.</quote>Seems totally reasonable </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thronedfire2 03/09/21 5:16:56 PM #14:	MacadamianNut3 posted... Seems totally reasonable yeah I don't get it. if they think the guy is barricaded and waiting for them shouldn't they go in quietly? --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:951529845] in SWAT team ... [t:79339798]...</cite> <quote>MacadamianNut3 posted... </cite> <quote>Seems totally reasonable</quote> yeah I don't get it. if they think the guy is barricaded and waiting for them shouldn't they go in quietly? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
What_ 03/09/21 5:16:57 PM #15:	Theres literally no justifiable reason why the city shouldnt be paying for this shit <cite>What_ posted [p:951529846] in SWAT team ... [t:79339798]...</cite> <quote>Theres literally no justifiable reason why the city shouldnt be paying for this shit </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RadiantJoyrock 03/09/21 5:18:43 PM #16:	thronedfire2 posted... yeah I don't get it. if they think the guy is barricaded and waiting for them shouldn't they go in quietly? Especially because he was LITERALLY not a threat to anyone at the time. Why not wait him out? <cite>RadiantJoyrock posted [p:951529910] in SWAT team ... [t:79339798]...</cite> <quote>thronedfire2 posted... </cite> <quote>yeah I don't get it. if they think the guy is barricaded and waiting for them shouldn't they go in quietly?</quote>Especially because he was LITERALLY not a threat to anyone at the time. Why not wait him out? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AFrench4 03/09/21 5:21:25 PM #17:	MorbidFaithless posted... At this point we should all become cops and just do whatever we want with no repercussions. nah I have a soul --- Ohh boy! <cite>AFrench4 posted [p:951530002] in SWAT team ... [t:79339798]...</cite> <quote>MorbidFaithless posted... </cite> <quote>At this point we should all become cops and just do whatever we want with no repercussions. </quote>nah I have a soul </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WilliamPorygon 03/09/21 5:25:29 PM #18:	Antifar posted... and her daughter's dog was rendered deaf and blind. Fucking christ --- Dolphins are people too! https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1404-cetacea-cove <cite>WilliamPorygon posted [p:951530139] in SWAT team ... [t:79339798]...</cite> <quote>Antifar posted... </cite> <quote>and her daughter's dog was rendered deaf and blind.</quote>Fucking christ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tremain07 03/09/21 5:26:51 PM #19:	Poor woman, she's gonna die homeless because of this no city would ever side with a civilian over their police force, especially in Texas. What_ posted... Theres literally no justifiable reason why the city shouldnt be paying for this shit There isn't but to them it doesn't matter, it's just a civilian who doesn't have the power or means to fight these people on it, they can kick the lawsuits down the road til she dies then issue a disgustingly low amount settlement that they'll pay to themselves because life is shit like that --- 6961 5280 2760 <cite>tremain07 posted [p:951530195] in SWAT team ... [t:79339798]...</cite> <quote>Poor woman, she's gonna die homeless because of this no city would ever side with a civilian over their police force, especially in Texas. What_ posted... </cite> <quote>Theres literally no justifiable reason why the city shouldnt be paying for this shit</quote>There isn't but to them it doesn't matter, it's just a civilian who doesn't have the power or means to fight these people on it, they can kick the lawsuits down the road til she dies then issue a disgustingly low amount settlement that they'll pay to themselves because life is shit like that </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Monolith1676 03/09/21 5:35:22 PM #20:	She should be taking the criminal to civil court over it. --- Gears of War 1 Assassination Legend <cite>Monolith1676 posted [p:951530521] in SWAT team ... [t:79339798]...</cite> <quote>She should be taking the criminal to civil court over it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_MorningStar 03/09/21 5:39:08 PM #21:	WilliamPorygon posted... Fucking christ I didn't even get that far. It somehow got worse smfh. --- https://imgur.com/UM1VO2V https://imgur.com/fd6WS3f <cite>_MorningStar posted [p:951530660] in SWAT team ... [t:79339798]...</cite> <quote>WilliamPorygon posted... </cite> <quote>Fucking christ</quote>I didn't even get that far. It somehow got worse smfh. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Slayer_22 03/09/21 5:39:32 PM #22:	Monolith1676 posted... She should be taking the criminal to civil court over it. He's kinda got a case of dead, though. --- livingdeadrpg.proboards.com "And no I'm not signing your twitter after this type of attitude so don't ask..." - IIINCORRUPTIBLE <cite>Slayer_22 posted [p:951530677] in SWAT team ... [t:79339798]...</cite> <quote>Monolith1676 posted...</cite> <quote>She should be taking the criminal to civil court over it. </quote> He's kinda got a case of dead, though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 03/09/21 5:43:25 PM #23:	This happens more often than you'd think probably, especially with wrongful drug busts, and SWAT is never held liable for anything. Pretty sure that baby that got burned from that flash grenade, or whatever landed in his crib, never got any kind of settlement either. --- https://imgur.com/x04tPRZ https://imgur.com/t7T392I <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:951530815] in SWAT team ... [t:79339798]...</cite> <quote>This happens more often than you'd think probably, especially with wrongful drug busts, and SWAT is never held liable for anything. Pretty sure that baby that got burned from that flash grenade, or whatever landed in his crib, never got any kind of settlement either.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ncsonic 03/09/21 5:44:48 PM #25:	Sue and keep suing, then charge interest on payments not made in time. --- WIRED https://www.youtube.com/user/wired <cite>ncsonic posted [p:951530875] in SWAT team ... [t:79339798]...</cite> <quote>Sue and keep suing, then charge interest on payments not made in time. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 03/09/21 5:51:11 PM #26:	MacadamianNut3 posted... Seems totally reasonable It reads like they think of their breaching equipment such as the explosives as toys and wanted to play SWAT today. Its crazy that not only is this woman not being compensated for the police needlessly destroying her home, but also that the officers havent been fired. --- "If you wanna grow your business you need to exploit more." ~Austin_Era_II "Out of those two? Racist for me... easily." ~Vicious_Dios <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:951531117] in SWAT team ... [t:79339798]...</cite> <quote>MacadamianNut3 posted... </cite> <quote>Seems totally reasonable</quote> It reads like they think of their breaching equipment such as the explosives as toys and wanted to play SWAT today. Its crazy that not only is this woman not being compensated for the police needlessly destroying her home, but also that the officers havent been fired. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Monolith1676 03/09/21 5:52:38 PM #27:	Slayer_22 posted... He's kinda got a case of dead, though. She is kinda screwed then unless a judge would allow her to sue his next of kin. --- Gears of War 1 Assassination Legend <cite>Monolith1676 posted [p:951531171] in SWAT team ... [t:79339798]...</cite> <quote>Slayer_22 posted... </cite> <quote>He's kinda got a case of dead, though.</quote> She is kinda screwed then unless a judge would allow her to sue his next of kin. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
skermac 03/09/21 5:55:25 PM #28:	i know a lawyer who will make them pay or so his commercials say, but seriously a lawyer is needed --- To the edge of the universe and back, endure and survive <cite>skermac posted [p:951531272] in SWAT team ... [t:79339798]...</cite> <quote>i know a lawyer who will make them pay or so his commercials say, but seriously a lawyer is needed </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dark_SilverX 03/10/21 6:16:53 AM #30:	RIP house shot up to 97 bullets --- Rather a Zoom Thanksgiving than an ICU Christmas. don't compare games to feces -- if you've an opinion worth mentioning, do so civilly <cite>Dark_SilverX posted [p:951549853] in SWAT team ... [t:79339798]...</cite> <quote>RIP house shot up to 97 bullets </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 03/10/21 6:17:24 AM #31:	Imagine being so indoctrinated into right wing politics that the police can literally destroy your home, your wealth and your retirement plan and refuse to pay for any of it and your takeaway is "well I don't blame the police, but I do blame the police, they were just a bit heavy handed, and I want them to reform, but defunding them is a step too far I guess. They're good guys and just a few bad apples" sad --- CE's Resident Scotsman. https://imgur.com/ILz2ZbV <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:951549860] in SWAT team ... [t:79339798]...</cite> <quote>Imagine being so indoctrinated into right wing politics that the police can literally destroy your home, your wealth and your retirement plan and refuse to pay for any of it and your takeaway is "well I don't blame the police, but I do blame the police, they were just a bit heavy handed, and I want them to reform, but defunding them is a step too far I guess. They're good guys and just a few bad apples" sad </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jiek_Fafn 03/10/21 6:27:37 AM #32:	Poor dog... --- PSN: Jiek <cite>Jiek_Fafn posted [p:951549975] in SWAT team ... [t:79339798]...</cite> <quote>Poor dog... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ilishe 03/10/21 6:31:40 AM #33:	Wow Nice, America Fucking NICE --- ~Phoenix Nine~ ~Victory needs no explanation; defeat allows none.~ <cite>Ilishe posted [p:951550017] in SWAT team ... [t:79339798]...</cite> <quote>Wow Nice, America Fucking NICE </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inferno Dive Dragoon 03/10/21 6:34:17 AM #34:	Pigs gonna oink, and the city gonna slop their trough. --- N/A <cite>Inferno Dive Dragoon posted [p:951550043] in SWAT team ... [t:79339798]...</cite> <quote>Pigs gonna oink, and the city gonna slop their trough.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Snip-N-Snails 03/10/21 9:15:55 AM #35:	tremain07 posted... especially in Texas. Oh yeah, she's not getting paid. --- #BLM <cite>Snip-N-Snails posted [p:951552833] in SWAT team ... [t:79339798]...</cite> <quote>tremain07 posted... </cite> <quote>especially in Texas.</quote>Oh yeah, she's not getting paid. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kloe_Rinz 03/10/21 9:18:20 AM #36:	Sue the city <cite>Kloe_Rinz posted [p:951552899] in SWAT team ... [t:79339798]...</cite> <quote>Sue the city </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kloe_Rinz 03/10/21 9:19:12 AM #37:	Monolith1676 posted... She is kinda screwed then unless a judge would allow her to sue his next of kin. Thats the most ass backwards thing Ive ever heard. Sue the next of kin for the sins of the father? What the actual fuck? <cite>Kloe_Rinz posted [p:951552921] in SWAT team ... [t:79339798]...</cite> <quote>Monolith1676 posted... </cite> <quote>She is kinda screwed then unless a judge would allow her to sue his next of kin.</quote>Thats the most ass backwards thing Ive ever heard. Sue the next of kin for the sins of the father? What the actual fuck? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eyeratosthenes 03/10/21 9:24:44 AM #38:	Felt bad til I read she's still pro police and a conservative christian This is still disgusting though. Stop giving cops military gear. They don't need it. They're a bunch of stupid kids playing with their toys, except their toys kill people and blow shit up. I'm sure swat asserts how necessary their actions were tho. With some cracked out handyman who knows what he's capable of --- Aiways / Hairistotle <cite>Eyeratosthenes posted [p:951553056] in SWAT team ... [t:79339798]...</cite> <quote>Felt bad til I read she's still pro police and a conservative christian This is still disgusting though. Stop giving cops military gear. They don't need it. They're a bunch of stupid kids playing with their toys, except their toys kill people and blow shit up. I'm sure swat asserts how necessary their actions were tho. With some cracked out handyman who knows what he's capable of </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
uwnim 03/10/21 9:33:49 AM #39:	The city should be fully liable for any and all damage their police cause. Best way to ensure the police don't use their SWAT shit as toys is to ensure there is a heavy price to using them. --- I want a pet Lavos Spawn. [Order of the Cetaceans: Phocoena dioptrica] <cite>uwnim posted [p:951553283] in SWAT team ... [t:79339798]...</cite> <quote>The city should be fully liable for any and all damage their police cause. Best way to ensure the police don't use their SWAT shit as toys is to ensure there is a heavy price to using them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kloe_Rinz 03/10/21 9:40:30 AM #40:	Who posted 38 <cite>Kloe_Rinz posted [p:951553440] in SWAT team ... [t:79339798]...</cite> <quote>Who posted 38 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ExtremeLuchador 03/10/21 9:51:29 AM #43:	Didn't the perp kill himself before the cops even got there? --- "It was horrible," guard Jeff McInnis said. "I took 100 naps and we were still in the air." <cite>ExtremeLuchador posted [p:951553713] in SWAT team ... [t:79339798]...</cite> <quote>Didn't the perp kill himself before the cops even got there? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sir Will 03/10/21 10:01:39 AM #44:	Smashingpmkns posted... This happens more often than you'd think probably, especially with wrongful drug busts, and SWAT is never held liable for anything. Pretty sure that baby that got burned from that flash grenade, or whatever landed in his crib, never got any kind of settlement either. WTF? https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ex-georgia-deputy-acquitted-after-flash-bang-grenade-hurts-toddler-n479361 Can't even get convicted of lying. JFC.... They did get a payout though, eventually: https://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/new-65m-settlement-for-parents-georgia-toddler-injured-raid/fqRsNpwZnOsJxwZtbXVLZP/ --- River Song: Well, I was off to this gay gypsy bar mitzvah for the disabled when I thought 'Gosh, the Third Reich's a bit rubbish, I think i'll kill the Fuhrer' <cite>Sir Will posted [p:951554026] in SWAT team ... [t:79339798]...</cite> <quote>Smashingpmkns posted... </cite> <quote>This happens more often than you'd think probably, especially with wrongful drug busts, and SWAT is never held liable for anything. Pretty sure that baby that got burned from that flash grenade, or whatever landed in his crib, never got any kind of settlement either.</quote>WTF? https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ex-georgia-deputy-acquitted-after-flash-bang-grenade-hurts-toddler-n479361 Can't even get convicted of lying. JFC.... They did get a payout though, eventually: https://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/new-65m-settlement-for-parents-georgia-toddler-injured-raid/fqRsNpwZnOsJxwZtbXVLZP/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zano 03/10/21 10:03:04 AM #45:	This is absolutely ridiculous. --- https://imgur.com/MDQBi2C <cite>Zano posted [p:951554058] in SWAT team ... [t:79339798]...</cite> <quote>This is absolutely ridiculous. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IShall_Run_Amok 03/10/21 10:07:15 AM #46:	Hey mods, I've been moderated a lot for shit talking the cops, ever gonna apologize for it? --- I'm here live. Its...I'm not a cat. <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:951554171] in SWAT team ... [t:79339798]...</cite> <quote>Hey mods, I've been moderated a lot for shit talking the cops, ever gonna apologize for it? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blighboy 03/10/21 10:12:01 AM #47:	John Oliver did a piece a couple weeks ago on Police Raids, discussed how people are virtually never entitled to compensation for damages. --- I have no idea whether or not he's a racist, but apparently there are recordings of him using racial slurs so it's a distinct possibility. <cite>Blighboy posted [p:951554313] in SWAT team ... [t:79339798]...</cite> <quote>John Oliver did a piece a couple weeks ago on Police Raids, discussed how people are virtually never entitled to compensation for damages. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 03/10/21 10:15:39 AM #48:	pinky0926 posted... Imagine being so indoctrinated into right wing politics that the police can literally destroy your home, your wealth and your retirement plan and refuse to pay for any of it and your takeaway is "well I don't blame the police, but I do blame the police, they were just a bit heavy handed, and I want them to reform, but defunding them is a step too far I guess. They're good guys and just a few bad apples" sad De-militarize the police. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:951554404] in SWAT team ... [t:79339798]...</cite> <quote>pinky0926 posted... </cite> <quote>Imagine being so indoctrinated into right wing politics that the police can literally destroy your home, your wealth and your retirement plan and refuse to pay for any of it and your takeaway is "well I don't blame the police, but I do blame the police, they were just a bit heavy handed, and I want them to reform, but defunding them is a step too far I guess. They're good guys and just a few bad apples" sad</quote>De-militarize the police. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ruvan22 03/10/21 6:12:26 PM #49:	Sir Will posted... WTF? https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ex-georgia-deputy-acquitted-after-flash-bang-grenade-hurts-toddler-n479361 Can't even get convicted of lying. JFC.... They did get a payout though, eventually: https://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/new-65m-settlement-for-parents-georgia-toddler-injured-raid/fqRsNpwZnOsJxwZtbXVLZP/ So perjury... doesn't matter? <cite>Ruvan22 posted [p:951571722] in SWAT team ... [t:79339798]...</cite> <quote>Sir Will posted... </cite> <quote>WTF? https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ex-georgia-deputy-acquitted-after-flash-bang-grenade-hurts-toddler-n479361 Can't even get convicted of lying. JFC.... They did get a payout though, eventually: https://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/new-65m-settlement-for-parents-georgia-toddler-injured-raid/fqRsNpwZnOsJxwZtbXVLZP/</quote>So perjury... doesn't matter? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 03/10/21 6:16:31 PM #50:	She complains about defund police when they took everything from her. --- Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives? <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:951571863] in SWAT team ... [t:79339798]...</cite> <quote>She complains about defund police when they took everything from her. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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