Poll of the Day > Mum says why shes teaching her five daughters there's no such thing as virginity

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AWinterJ 02/28/21 6:08:33 PM #1:	Cayce LaCorte has gone viral on social media after revealing that she's raising her daughters to believe there's 'no such thing as virginity' as it's a 'patriarchal concept' Author Cayce LaCorte has gone viral on TikTok after responding to a challenge by @nevadashareef asking people to "name something about the way you raised your kids that people think is weird but you think is healthy." The mum, from South Carolina, made her own video saying: "I'm raising my five daughters to believe that there is no such thing as virginity. "It is a patriarchal concept used to control women and serves no purpose other than making women feel bad about ourselves. "Just because some guy randomly sticks his penis in you at some point in your life, it does not change your worth, it's not changing who you are. It doesn't do anything other than it happened. "Sex is important, it's a big deal, it should always be a big deal. It has nothing to do with your first time and it's just ridiculous and I get a lot of cp from other mums saying 'Oh well don't you think that will make your daughters promiscuous?' "I was like, no. I'm raising them to be good people and have solid foundations and like make your own choices and make smart, intelligent choices, not because some book says not to." More than two million people have since watched the clip, with over 500,000 liking it and 22,000 commenting. People were divided over the idea, with some really supporting it and others being unsure. One person wrote: "OMG!!! As a therapist, there is much praise I want to drop here for you!!" Another said: "We need to normalise this!!! You just shifted my perspective in 15 seconds, it makes so much sense. Thank you so much." "Love this, always taught my daughters that it is more important to protect their credit score than their virginity," replied a third. Someone else posted: "Why do I feel the same way but didn't realise I felt that way until hearing this?" However, a different user asked: "How do you teach your daughters this? What about when they go to big school and it's all everyone talks about?" "I think virginity is a legit thing," admitted a second. "People tend to put other meanings behind it tho and make it more than it actually is." "Wow, I have no idea how to feel about this honestly, it goes against everything I was taught but my mind is blown and I kind of love it," added a fellow TikTok user. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/mum-explains-shes-teaching-five-23581938?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar --- I am the colour red, in a world of black and white <cite>AWinterJ posted [p:951191405] in Mum says w... [t:79322784]...</cite> <quote>Cayce LaCorte has gone viral on social media after revealing that she's raising her daughters to believe there's 'no such thing as virginity' as it's a 'patriarchal concept' Author Cayce LaCorte has gone viral on TikTok after responding to a challenge by @nevadashareef asking people to "name something about the way you raised your kids that people think is weird but you think is healthy." The mum, from South Carolina, made her own video saying: "I'm raising my five daughters to believe that there is no such thing as virginity. "It is a patriarchal concept used to control women and serves no purpose other than making women feel bad about ourselves. "Just because some guy randomly sticks his penis in you at some point in your life, it does not change your worth, it's not changing who you are. It doesn't do anything other than it happened. "Sex is important, it's a big deal, it should always be a big deal. It has nothing to do with your first time and it's just ridiculous and I get a lot of cp from other mums saying 'Oh well don't you think that will make your daughters promiscuous?' "I was like, no. I'm raising them to be good people and have solid foundations and like make your own choices and make smart, intelligent choices, not because some book says not to." More than two million people have since watched the clip, with over 500,000 liking it and 22,000 commenting. People were divided over the idea, with some really supporting it and others being unsure. One person wrote: "OMG!!! As a therapist, there is much praise I want to drop here for you!!" Another said: "We need to normalise this!!! You just shifted my perspective in 15 seconds, it makes so much sense. Thank you so much." "Love this, always taught my daughters that it is more important to protect their credit score than their virginity," replied a third. Someone else posted: "Why do I feel the same way but didn't realise I felt that way until hearing this?" However, a different user asked: "How do you teach your daughters this? What about when they go to big school and it's all everyone talks about?" "I think virginity is a legit thing," admitted a second. "People tend to put other meanings behind it tho and make it more than it actually is." "Wow, I have no idea how to feel about this honestly, it goes against everything I was taught but my mind is blown and I kind of love it," added a fellow TikTok user. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/mum-explains-shes-teaching-five-23581938?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 02/28/21 7:04:37 PM #2:	Seems fair. It's not entirely accurate to say there's no such thing, but it is silly that we place so much more value on somebody's first time having sex than on their first time doing other things. The concept of virginity really isn't acknowledged in a formal sense for non-sexual activities, beyond recognizing the impact that a lack of experience will have on performance. Basically, the state of not having had sex before does in fact exist, just as the state of not having tried a peanut butter and banana sandwich exists. There's no reason, though, for it to exist so formally, with its own special name and a bunch of social significance attached to it, and the only way to change that is to deny the concept's legitimacy. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:951193367] in Mum says w... [t:79322784]...</cite> <quote>Seems fair. It's not entirely accurate to say there's no such thing, but it is silly that we place so much more value on somebody's first time having sex than on their first time doing other things. The concept of virginity really isn't acknowledged in a formal sense for non-sexual activities, beyond recognizing the impact that a lack of experience will have on performance. Basically, the state of not having had sex before does in fact exist, just as the state of not having tried a peanut butter and banana sandwich exists. There's no reason, though, for it to exist so formally, with its own special name and a bunch of social significance attached to it, and the only way to change that is to deny the concept's legitimacy. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blightzkrieg 02/28/21 7:11:58 PM #3:	I understand the intent, but isn't this harmful to the incel community? They are already under represented in mainstream media as is, this is another step towards erasing our culture --- https://imgur.com/1XbPahR <cite>Blightzkrieg posted [p:951193630] in Mum says w... [t:79322784]...</cite> <quote>I understand the intent, but isn't this harmful to the incel community? They are already under represented in mainstream media as is, this is another step towards erasing our culture </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReturnOfFa 02/28/21 7:29:41 PM #4:	Blightzkrieg posted... I understand the intent, but isn't this harmful to the incel community? They are already under represented in mainstream media as is, this is another step towards erasing our culture Identifying as a group when it comes to being an 'incel' is fine, but you are not being erased by this, and it isn't a 'culture', by definition. You can still gather in groups, and talk about sexuality in a healthy and productive way. I think it would be beneficial to the incel community to place less emphasis on the 'importance' of losing virginity or having sex in general. Some people have a fair bit of sex, some people don't, some people go through phases. What should be made important is communication around sex, and not "OMG WHEN WILL I/YOU LOSE MY/YOUR VIRGINITY". That's how it felt for me. People bullied me about it. At the end of the day, there were times where I was sexually active, and times where I am not/was not. It is part of my life, but not that important over-all. --- girls like my fa <cite>ReturnOfFa posted [p:951194241] in Mum says w... [t:79322784]...</cite> <quote>Blightzkrieg posted... </cite> <quote>I understand the intent, but isn't this harmful to the incel community? They are already under represented in mainstream media as is, this is another step towards erasing our culture</quote>Identifying as a group when it comes to being an 'incel' is fine, but you are not being erased by this, and it isn't a 'culture', by definition. You can still gather in groups, and talk about sexuality in a healthy and productive way. I think it would be beneficial to the incel community to place less emphasis on the 'importance' of losing virginity or having sex in general. Some people have a fair bit of sex, some people don't, some people go through phases. What should be made important is communication around sex, and not "OMG WHEN WILL I/YOU LOSE MY/YOUR VIRGINITY". That's how it felt for me. People bullied me about it. At the end of the day, there were times where I was sexually active, and times where I am not/was not. It is part of my life, but not that important over-all. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReturnOfFa 02/28/21 7:31:55 PM #5:	My parents never talked about sex and virginity with me, that's part of why it got so blown up in my head. Other teenagers were the driving force behind my thoughts on sex and sexuality, instead of adults/professionals. Even sex-ed classes laughed and made jokes about virginity - not really that healthy. Good on this mom for talking about such difficult, but everyday facts of life. --- girls like my fa <cite>ReturnOfFa posted [p:951194321] in Mum says w... [t:79322784]...</cite> <quote>My parents never talked about sex and virginity with me, that's part of why it got so blown up in my head. Other teenagers were the driving force behind my thoughts on sex and sexuality, instead of adults/professionals. Even sex-ed classes laughed and made jokes about virginity - not really that healthy. Good on this mom for talking about such difficult, but everyday facts of life. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HornedLion 02/28/21 7:37:41 PM #6:	Im pretty sure theres a such thing as a hymen. --- "Skippitty Bop boom ba-dop. Wham wham bam bam" <cite>HornedLion posted [p:951194506] in Mum says w... [t:79322784]...</cite> <quote>Im pretty sure theres a such thing as a hymen. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 02/28/21 8:02:32 PM #7:	adjl posted... Seems fair. It's not entirely accurate to say there's no such thing, but it is silly that we place so much more value on somebody's first time having sex than on their first time doing other things. Largely untrue, considering how much value we place on any other number of firsts. And this in particular has a reason to be significant. And, honestly, you're a lot more likely to remember your first kiss and your first fuck than a lot of other firsts. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:951195235] in Mum says w... [t:79322784]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted... </cite> <quote>Seems fair. It's not entirely accurate to say there's no such thing, but it is silly that we place so much more value on somebody's first time having sex than on their first time doing other things.</quote> Largely untrue, considering how much value we place on any other number of firsts. And this in particular has a reason to be significant. And, honestly, you're a lot more likely to remember your first kiss and your first fuck than a lot of other firsts. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 02/28/21 8:08:48 PM #8:	Zeus posted... Largely untrue, considering how much value we place on any other number of firsts. And this in particular has a reason to be significant. And, honestly, you're a lot more likely to remember your first kiss and your first fuck than a lot of other firsts. And do you think that's because there are any practical reasons to consider those more significant life events than other firsts, or simply because there's so much social significance attached to it? --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:951195453] in Mum says w... [t:79322784]...</cite> <quote>Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>Largely untrue, considering how much value we place on any other number of firsts. And this in particular has a reason to be significant. And, honestly, you're a lot more likely to remember your first kiss and your first fuck than a lot of other firsts.</quote> And do you think that's because there are any practical reasons to consider those more significant life events than other firsts, or simply because there's so much social significance attached to it? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 02/28/21 8:14:23 PM #9:	adjl posted... And do you think that's because there are any practical reasons to consider those more significant life events than other firsts, or simply because there's so much social significance attached to it? Loaded question, really. There's certainly a very logical emotional reason to attach significance to those events, which is probably why they're so culturally recognized and have social significance in the first place. And in cultures with fewer and fewer rites of passage, I suppose it's natural that their social significance has only grown with time. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:951195606] in Mum says w... [t:79322784]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted... </cite> <quote>And do you think that's because there are any practical reasons to consider those more significant life events than other firsts, or simply because there's so much social significance attached to it?</quote> Loaded question, really. There's certainly a very logical emotional reason to attach significance to those events, which is probably why they're so culturally recognized and have social significance in the first place. And in cultures with fewer and fewer rites of passage, I suppose it's natural that their social significance has only grown with time. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 02/28/21 8:54:03 PM #10:	Zeus posted... There's certainly a very logical emotional reason to attach significance to those events, Generally speaking, when people ask if you have a practical reason to believe something, the implication is that you're being invited to share whatever reason you might have, not simply to answer the question with "yes." Zeus posted... which is probably why they're so culturally recognized and have social significance in the first place. And if you're going to tack on inferences like this, you definitely need to present your reasoning, as well as debunking at least one or two of the most obvious counterpoints to your attempted conclusion (most notably, the fact that much of history in many cultures - both historical and extant - has granted considerable value to the ability to offer a "pure" woman for marriage). --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:951196822] in Mum says w... [t:79322784]...</cite> <quote>Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>There's certainly a very logical emotional reason to attach significance to those events,</quote> Generally speaking, when people ask if you have a practical reason to believe something, the implication is that you're being invited to share whatever reason you might have, not simply to answer the question with "yes." Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>which is probably why they're so culturally recognized and have social significance in the first place.</quote> And if you're going to tack on inferences like this, you definitely need to present your reasoning, as well as debunking at least one or two of the most obvious counterpoints to your attempted conclusion (most notably, the fact that much of history in many cultures - both historical and extant - has granted considerable value to the ability to offer a "pure" woman for marriage). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Johnny Eagle 02/28/21 8:56:16 PM #11:	The mom is full of **, IMO --- "Life's a game. It's meant to be played." "Amateurs built the Ark. Professionals built the Titanic." <cite>Johnny Eagle posted [p:951196884] in Mum says w... [t:79322784]...</cite> <quote>The mom is full of **, IMO </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReturnOfFa 02/28/21 8:58:49 PM #12:	Just because social significance is placed on something, does not mean it is healthy or beneficial. Also another note. Hymens can remain intact or not intact regardless of 'virginity'. so they should not inherently be associated with virginity. instead the conversation should be more nuanced and factual, as this mother seems to be doing, imo. --- girls like my fa <cite>ReturnOfFa posted [p:951196969] in Mum says w... [t:79322784]...</cite> <quote>Just because social significance is placed on something, does not mean it is healthy or beneficial. Also another note. Hymens can remain intact or not intact regardless of 'virginity'. so they should not inherently be associated with virginity. instead the conversation should be more nuanced and factual, as this mother seems to be doing, imo. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrMelodramatic 02/28/21 11:08:12 PM #13:	HornedLion posted... Im pretty sure theres a such thing as a hymen. I'm pretty sure this is irrelevant to virginity being a social construct. --- Forever Momo; <cite>MrMelodramatic posted [p:951200918] in Mum says w... [t:79322784]...</cite> <quote>HornedLion posted... </cite> <quote>Im pretty sure theres a such thing as a hymen.</quote>I'm pretty sure this is irrelevant to virginity being a social construct. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeetCheet 02/28/21 11:33:50 PM #15:	Virginity is usually a negative trait for men and a positive trait for women(from men's perspective at least). --- https://imgur.com/eQrRxik https://imgur.com/NC8itow <cite>LeetCheet posted [p:951201718] in Mum says w... [t:79322784]...</cite> <quote>Virginity is usually a negative trait for men and a positive trait for women(from men's perspective at least).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gaawa_chan 02/28/21 11:44:41 PM #16:	The concept of virginity is particularly harmful to victims of sexual assault. HornedLion posted... Im pretty sure theres a such thing as a hymen. ... I'm trying really hard not to say something that will get me in trouble here. :-/ Hymens can break from being in a car on a bumpy road, and can stay intact through sex. This is so goddamn stupid. --- Hi <cite>Gaawa_chan posted [p:951202010] in Mum says w... [t:79322784]...</cite> <quote>The concept of virginity is particularly harmful to victims of sexual assault. HornedLion posted... </cite> <quote>Im pretty sure theres a such thing as a hymen.</quote> ... I'm trying really hard not to say something that will get me in trouble here. :-/ Hymens can break from being in a car on a bumpy road, and can stay intact through sex. This is so goddamn stupid. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Philip027 02/28/21 11:55:42 PM #18:	If you attach the "patriarchal concept" aspects of virginity onto it, that's all on you. All it is is a term indicating whether you've had sex or not. That's it. You might as well be getting all uppity about the term "newbie". Trying to hide or get rid of a word won't change the fact that someone will have either had prior exposure to X thing, or not -- and whether or not you attach a term to such experience (or lack thereof), other people and prospective relationship partners will evaluate and weigh such experience (or lack thereof) accordingly to their own values. You can't put a stop to that, any more than you can't put a stop to employers not hiring you because of your lack of work experience. I'm all for teaching kids not to place virginity on some kind of weird pedestal, but I don't feel sheltering them from the term entirely is the correct way to go about it. <cite>Philip027 posted [p:951202313] in Mum says w... [t:79322784]...</cite> <quote>If you attach the "patriarchal concept" aspects of virginity onto it, that's all on you. All it is is a term indicating whether you've had sex or not. That's it. You might as well be getting all uppity about the term "newbie". Trying to hide or get rid of a word won't change the fact that someone will have either had prior exposure to X thing, or not -- and whether or not you attach a term to such experience (or lack thereof), other people and prospective relationship partners will evaluate and weigh such experience (or lack thereof) accordingly to their own values. You can't put a stop to that, any more than you can't put a stop to employers not hiring you because of your lack of work experience. I'm all for teaching kids not to place virginity on some kind of weird pedestal, but I don't feel sheltering them from the term entirely is the correct way to go about it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Entity13 03/01/21 12:15:26 AM #19:	HornedLion posted... Im pretty sure theres a such thing as a hymen. There is, but sex isn't the only way it tears. Good gods, it isn't. --- http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb179/EntityXIII/entityfn7.jpg <cite>Entity13 posted [p:951202803] in Mum says w... [t:79322784]...</cite> <quote>HornedLion posted... </cite> <quote>Im pretty sure theres a such thing as a hymen.</quote> There is, but sex isn't the only way it tears. Good gods, it isn't. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wwinterj25 03/01/21 2:46:14 AM #20:	HornedLion posted... Im pretty sure theres a such thing as a hymen. That can be broke without sex. This story is weird though. Not only is virginity if a girl/woman has sex but also if a guy has too so I don't understand this shit. IF you've had sex you're not a virgin. It's that simple. Having lots of sex with many people has a stigma to it as does having none at all. --- One who knows nothing can understand nothing. http://psnprofiles.com/wwinterj - https://imgur.com/YvP6isz <cite>wwinterj25 posted [p:951205413] in Mum says w... [t:79322784]...</cite> <quote>HornedLion posted... </cite> <quote>Im pretty sure theres a such thing as a hymen.</quote> That can be broke without sex. This story is weird though. Not only is virginity if a girl/woman has sex but also if a guy has too so I don't understand this shit. IF you've had sex you're not a virgin. It's that simple. Having lots of sex with many people has a stigma to it as does having none at all. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ClarkDuke 03/01/21 5:11:53 AM #21:	adjl posted... Generally speaking, when people ask if you have a practical reason to believe something, the implication is that you're being invited to share whatever reason you might have, not simply to answer the question with "yes." And if you're going to tack on inferences like this, you definitely need to present your reasoning, as well as debunking at least one or two of the most obvious counterpoints to your attempted conclusion (most notably, the fact that much of history in many cultures - both historical and extant - has granted considerable value to the ability to offer a "pure" woman for marriage). sure, we all know from his few years trolling hes a misogynist and a neo-nazi apologist. but he watched a youtube video on the story of zeus and thought to himself, a mythological character who had sex with not only his siblings, but his children, animals and fictional creatures, where do i sign up, ok? --- https://imgur.com/qL0DHFI https://imgur.com/JL9rRLt https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ <cite>ClarkDuke posted [p:951207108] in Mum says w... [t:79322784]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted... </cite> <quote>Generally speaking, when people ask if you have a practical reason to believe something, the implication is that you're being invited to share whatever reason you might have, not simply to answer the question with "yes." And if you're going to tack on inferences like this, you definitely need to present your reasoning, as well as debunking at least one or two of the most obvious counterpoints to your attempted conclusion (most notably, the fact that much of history in many cultures - both historical and extant - has granted considerable value to the ability to offer a "pure" woman for marriage).</quote>sure, we all know from his few years trolling hes a misogynist and a neo-nazi apologist. but he watched a youtube video on the story of zeus and thought to himself, a mythological character who had sex with not only his siblings, but his children, animals and fictional creatures, where do i sign up, ok? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 03/01/21 5:30:59 AM #22:	adjl posted... Generally speaking, when people ask if you have a practical reason to believe something, the implication is that you're being invited to share whatever reason you might have, not simply to answer the question with "yes." Generally speaking, when somebody is playing dumb to advance a disingenuous argument, sometimes I need to point out the obvious. adjl posted... And if you're going to tack on inferences like this, you definitely need to present your reasoning, as well as debunking at least one or two of the most obvious counterpoints to your attempted conclusion (most notably, the fact that much of history in many cultures - both historical and extant - has granted considerable value to the ability to offer a "pure" woman for marriage). I forgot that in adjl land things just happen for no reason and that under adjl logic the burden of proof is on the person who isn't advancing the absurd claim. adjl posted... (most notably, the fact that much of history in many cultures - both historical and extant - has granted considerable value to the ability to offer a "pure" woman for marriage). Which in adjl land just originated in a vacuum and had no basis in regards to human emotion or the significance attached therein. [LFAQs-redacted-quote] It's actually a shitty take, and overlooks that downplaying virginity is a tactic very frequently employed by the perpetrators of said abuse trying to justify and normalize their behavior towards their victims. This is especially true when it comes to the practice of grooming. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:951207305] in Mum says w... [t:79322784]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted... </cite> <quote>Generally speaking, when people ask if you have a practical reason to believe something, the implication is that you're being invited to share whatever reason you might have, not simply to answer the question with "yes."</quote> Generally speaking, when somebody is playing dumb to advance a disingenuous argument, sometimes I need to point out the obvious. adjl posted... </cite> <quote>And if you're going to tack on inferences like this, you definitely need to present your reasoning, as well as debunking at least one or two of the most obvious counterpoints to your attempted conclusion (most notably, the fact that much of history in many cultures - both historical and extant - has granted considerable value to the ability to offer a "pure" woman for marriage).</quote> I forgot that in adjl land things just happen for no reason and that under adjl logic the burden of proof is on the person who isn't advancing the absurd claim. adjl posted... </cite> <quote>(most notably, the fact that much of history in many cultures - both historical and extant - has granted considerable value to the ability to offer a "pure" woman for marriage).</quote> Which in adjl land just originated in a vacuum and had no basis in regards to human emotion or the significance attached therein. <cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> It's actually a shitty take, and overlooks that downplaying virginity is a tactic very frequently employed by the perpetrators of said abuse trying to justify and normalize their behavior towards their victims. This is especially true when it comes to the practice of grooming. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HornedLion 03/01/21 8:38:00 AM #23:	Gaawa_chan posted... Hymens can break from being in a car on a bumpy road, and can stay intact through sex. Well then that guy had a little dick... and I think the girl was robbed of a beautiful first experience, and should therefore be allowed to say that she IS, in fact, a virgin. --- "Skippitty Bop boom ba-dop. Wham wham bam bam" <cite>HornedLion posted [p:951209764] in Mum says w... [t:79322784]...</cite> <quote>Gaawa_chan posted... </cite> <quote>Hymens can break from being in a car on a bumpy road, and can stay intact through sex.</quote> Well then that guy had a little dick... and I think the girl was robbed of a beautiful first experience, and should therefore be allowed to say that she IS, in fact, a virgin. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 03/01/21 8:41:45 AM #24:	HornedLion posted... Im pretty sure theres a such thing as a hymen. so males cannot be virgins weird take, but ok. <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:951209845] in Mum says w... [t:79322784]...</cite> <quote>HornedLion posted... </cite> <quote>Im pretty sure theres a such thing as a hymen.</quote> so males cannot be virgins weird take, but ok. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EvilMegas 03/01/21 8:47:23 AM #25:	The concept of virginity is outdated anyway. It's not some special thing that you have to wait till you're married to lose or no one will value you as a woman. That's just dumb nonsense some dudes made up. --- Official Former King of Black People(Lost to Joe Biden) You are getting this discount. <cite>EvilMegas posted [p:951209952] in Mum says w... [t:79322784]...</cite> <quote>The concept of virginity is outdated anyway. It's not some special thing that you have to wait till you're married to lose or no one will value you as a woman. That's just dumb nonsense some dudes made up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 03/01/21 11:30:35 AM #26:	Zeus posted... Generally speaking, when somebody is playing dumb to advance a disingenuous argument, sometimes I need to point out the obvious. Thank you for nicely summarizing how I feel every time I respond to your posts, but I still feel I must point out how rude it is to not answer a question when asked. Very poor conversational etiquette. Zeus posted... I forgot that in adjl land things just happen for no reason and that under adjl logic the burden of proof is on the person who isn't advancing the absurd claim. Given that you're apparently unable to do anything to refute the support I've provided for this position (which should be really easy, given that my support is "there's no reason to consider virginity special" and all that's necessary to refute that is to provide a reason), I'd say I've satisfied the burden of proof for any claims I'm making. Meanwhile, you're claiming that "virginity's important because it just is, and that's the only reason it has cultural and social significance," which I'd say is a thoroughly absurd claim in its own right, and "just because" very much does not satisfy the burden of proof. If you think I'm saying wrong things, you should be able to prove me wrong (very easily, if I am in fact being as silly as you seem to think I am). If you can't, then you have no reason to think that I'm wrong and should amend your beliefs accordingly. It's very simple, and your refusal to play along is only making you look more wronger. Zeus posted... Which in adjl land just originated in a vacuum and had no basis in regards to human emotion or the significance attached therein. Actually, it originated from the possessive objectification that has (and does) resulted in women being treated as property to be exchanged as favours for social status. It's an ownership/power thing, which has less to do with virginity having some magical special significance and more men feeling better about themselves when they have their property all to themselves. Which, you know, you'd have realized if you actually spent three seconds thinking critically about the matter instead of defaulting to the lazy "that's just the way it's done so that means it's okay" approach you apparently take to all of life. Philip027 posted... All it is is a term indicating whether you've had sex or not. That's it. You might as well be getting all uppity about the term "newbie". The key difference being that "newbie" is a general-purpose term, which is modified by context and qualifiers to provide a useful description of experience levels. "Virgin" is a special term made just for sex (it can be adopted into other contexts with specific qualifiers, but I feel it goes without saying that those aren't particularly relevant here), which is assigned significance in far more contexts than the one in which it's relevant. Even during sex, it's an arbitrary milestone that indicates very little about overall sex-having ability (the only functional difference between "I've had intercourse once" and "I've never had intercourse" is the fact that there might be a bit of blood/pain during penetration, and even then, dildos are a thing), meaning it's a pretty useless description. The mere existence of the term "virginity" isn't what's being objected to here (hence my disclaimer that "virginity doesn't exist" isn't entirely accurate), it's treating virginity as a special concept that requires specific recognition and should have social significance attached to it. It's really not, and I'm all in favour of this mother teaching her kids not to put it on a pedestal the way so much of society does. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:951214244] in Mum says w... [t:79322784]...</cite> <quote>Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>Generally speaking, when somebody is playing dumb to advance a disingenuous argument, sometimes I need to point out the obvious.</quote> Thank you for nicely summarizing how I feel every time I respond to your posts, but I still feel I must point out how rude it is to not answer a question when asked. Very poor conversational etiquette. Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>I forgot that in adjl land things just happen for no reason and that under adjl logic the burden of proof is on the person who isn't advancing the absurd claim.</quote> Given that you're apparently unable to do anything to refute the support I've provided for this position (which should be really easy, given that my support is "there's no reason to consider virginity special" and all that's necessary to refute that is to provide a reason), I'd say I've satisfied the burden of proof for any claims I'm making. Meanwhile, you're claiming that "virginity's important because it just is, and that's the only reason it has cultural and social significance," which I'd say is a thoroughly absurd claim in its own right, and "just because" very much does not satisfy the burden of proof. If you think I'm saying wrong things, you should be able to prove me wrong (very easily, if I am in fact being as silly as you seem to think I am). If you can't, then you have no reason to think that I'm wrong and should amend your beliefs accordingly. It's very simple, and your refusal to play along is only making you look more wronger. Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>Which in adjl land just originated in a vacuum and had no basis in regards to human emotion or the significance attached therein.</quote> Actually, it originated from the possessive objectification that has (and does) resulted in women being treated as property to be exchanged as favours for social status. It's an ownership/power thing, which has less to do with virginity having some magical special significance and more men feeling better about themselves when they have their property all to themselves. Which, you know, you'd have realized if you actually spent three seconds thinking critically about the matter instead of defaulting to the lazy "that's just the way it's done so that means it's okay" approach you apparently take to all of life. Philip027 posted... </cite> <quote>All it is is a term indicating whether you've had sex or not. That's it. You might as well be getting all uppity about the term "newbie".</quote> The key difference being that "newbie" is a general-purpose term, which is modified by context and qualifiers to provide a useful description of experience levels. "Virgin" is a special term made just for sex (it can be adopted into other contexts with specific qualifiers, but I feel it goes without saying that those aren't particularly relevant here), which is assigned significance in far more contexts than the one in which it's relevant. Even during sex, it's an arbitrary milestone that indicates very little about overall sex-having ability (the only functional difference between "I've had intercourse once" and "I've never had intercourse" is the fact that there might be a bit of blood/pain during penetration, and even then, dildos are a thing), meaning it's a pretty useless description. The mere existence of the term "virginity" isn't what's being objected to here (hence my disclaimer that "virginity doesn't exist" isn't entirely accurate), it's treating virginity as a special concept that requires specific recognition and should have social significance attached to it. It's really not, and I'm all in favour of this mother teaching her kids not to put it on a pedestal the way so much of society does. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Entity13 03/01/21 12:10:47 PM #27:	adjl posted... The key difference being that "newbie" is a general-purpose term, which is modified by context and qualifiers to provide a useful description of experience levels. "Virgin" is a special term made just for sex (it can be adopted into other contexts with specific qualifiers, but I feel it goes without saying that those aren't particularly relevant here), which is assigned significance in far more contexts than the one in which it's relevant. Even during sex, it's an arbitrary milestone that indicates very little about overall sex-having ability (the only functional difference between "I've had intercourse once" and "I've never had intercourse" is the fact that there might be a bit of blood/pain during penetration, and even then, d**s are a thing), meaning it's a pretty useless description. Virgin olive oil? --- http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb179/EntityXIII/entityfn7.jpg <cite>Entity13 posted [p:951215541] in Mum says w... [t:79322784]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted... </cite> <quote>The key difference being that "newbie" is a general-purpose term, which is modified by context and qualifiers to provide a useful description of experience levels. "Virgin" is a special term made just for sex (it can be adopted into other contexts with specific qualifiers, but I feel it goes without saying that those aren't particularly relevant here), which is assigned significance in far more contexts than the one in which it's relevant. Even during sex, it's an arbitrary milestone that indicates very little about overall sex-having ability (the only functional difference between "I've had intercourse once" and "I've never had intercourse" is the fact that there might be a bit of blood/pain during penetration, and even then, d**s are a thing), meaning it's a pretty useless description.</quote> Virgin olive oil? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 03/01/21 12:19:11 PM #28:	HornedLion posted... Well then that guy had a little dick... and I think the girl was robbed of a beautiful first experience, and should therefore be allowed to say that she IS, in fact, a virgin. So if a hymen breaks by a car or horseback riding, should she say she lost her virginity to the Herbie the Love Bug or Mr. Ed? Get real. --- https://imgur.com/4ihiyS2 "I am not gay! Can't you get that through your head? I am very much aroused at the site of a naked woman!" - Dan0429 <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:951215801] in Mum says w... [t:79322784]...</cite> <quote>HornedLion posted... </cite> <quote>Well then that guy had a little dick... and I think the girl was robbed of a beautiful first experience, and should therefore be allowed to say that she IS, in fact, a virgin.</quote> So if a hymen breaks by a car or horseback riding, should she say she lost her virginity to the Herbie the Love Bug or Mr. Ed? Get real. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HornedLion 03/01/21 12:31:05 PM #29:	Jen0125 posted... So if a hymen breaks by a car or horseback riding, should she say she lost her virginity to the Herbie the Love Bug or Mr. Ed? Get real. Thats an unfortunate accident, and doesnt make her any less of a woman or any less pure. Not understanding the hate over hymens(or lack thereof). --- "Skippitty Bop boom ba-dop. Wham wham bam bam" <cite>HornedLion posted [p:951216225] in Mum says w... [t:79322784]...</cite> <quote>Jen0125 posted... </cite> <quote>So if a hymen breaks by a car or horseback riding, should she say she lost her virginity to the Herbie the Love Bug or Mr. Ed? Get real.</quote> Thats an unfortunate accident, and doesnt make her any less of a woman or any less pure. Not understanding the hate over hymens(or lack thereof). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReturnOfFa 03/01/21 12:33:12 PM #30:	HornedLion posted... Thats an unfortunate accident, and doesnt make her any less of a woman or any less pure. Not understanding the hate over hymens(or lack thereof). See, you're labeling it as 'unfortunate'. Why is it unfortunate? Sometimes this happens without the person noticing. It isn't unfortunate, it just 'is'. --- girls like my fa <cite>ReturnOfFa posted [p:951216293] in Mum says w... [t:79322784]...</cite> <quote>HornedLion posted... </cite> <quote>Thats an unfortunate accident, and doesnt make her any less of a woman or any less pure. Not understanding the hate over hymens(or lack thereof).</quote>See, you're labeling it as 'unfortunate'. Why is it unfortunate? Sometimes this happens without the person noticing. It isn't unfortunate, it just 'is'. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReturnOfFa 03/01/21 12:34:12 PM #31:	HornedLion posted... Well then that guy had a little dick... and I think the girl was robbed of a beautiful first experience, and should therefore be allowed to say that she IS, in fact, a virgin. Doctor HornedLion in the house, displaying that he doesn't know a whole lot. --- girls like my fa <cite>ReturnOfFa posted [p:951216327] in Mum says w... [t:79322784]...</cite> <quote>HornedLion posted... </cite> <quote>Well then that guy had a little dick... and I think the girl was robbed of a beautiful first experience, and should therefore be allowed to say that she IS, in fact, a virgin.</quote>Doctor HornedLion in the house, displaying that he doesn't know a whole lot. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DirtBasedSoap 03/01/21 12:36:37 PM #32:	Zeus posted... It's actually a s*ty take, and overlooks that downplaying virginity is a tactic very frequently employed by the perpetrators of said abuse trying to justify and normalize their behavior towards their victims. This is especially true when it comes to the practice of grooming. this is one of the dumbest posts hes ever made and thats really saying somethibg --- hoes mad <cite>DirtBasedSoap posted [p:951216424] in Mum says w... [t:79322784]...</cite> <quote>Zeus posted... <quote>It's actually a s*ty take, and overlooks that downplaying virginity is a tactic very frequently employed by the perpetrators of said abuse trying to justify and normalize their behavior towards their victims. This is especially true when it comes to the practice of grooming.</quote> this is one of the dumbest posts hes ever made and thats really saying somethibg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 03/01/21 12:44:03 PM #33:	HornedLion posted... Thats an unfortunate accident, and doesnt make her any less of a woman or any less pure. Not understanding the hate over hymens(or lack thereof). Not understanding how a hymen = purity --- https://imgur.com/4ihiyS2 "I am not gay! Can't you get that through your head? I am very much aroused at the site of a naked woman!" - Dan0429 <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:951216692] in Mum says w... [t:79322784]...</cite> <quote>HornedLion posted... </cite> <quote>Thats an unfortunate accident, and doesnt make her any less of a woman or any less pure. Not understanding the hate over hymens(or lack thereof).</quote> Not understanding how a hymen = purity </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wwinterj25 03/01/21 1:47:36 PM #34:	I guess I'm pure to some... --- One who knows nothing can understand nothing. http://psnprofiles.com/wwinterj - https://imgur.com/YvP6isz <cite>wwinterj25 posted [p:951218997] in Mum says w... [t:79322784]...</cite> <quote>I guess I'm pure to some... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 03/01/21 1:48:00 PM #35:	HornedLion posted... Well then that guy had a little dick... Or the natural perforation of her hymen left plenty of room. Or her hymen was particularly elastic. Or she was aroused enough that the lubrication present meant it didn't need to tear. Or any of the myriad other explanations that all combine to form the conclusion of "hymens don't always break during sex" that don't rely on micropenises. HornedLion posted... and I think the girl was robbed of a beautiful first experience, and should therefore be allowed to say that she IS, in fact, a virgin. Outside of really extreme cases (on either end), dick size really doesn't influence that much about how enjoyable sex is, and I say this as somebody who's larger (in both respects) than 99.9% of North American dudes. Angling thrusts properly is generally going to be much more pleasurable than simply penetrating deeper or stretching further, and the vast majority of women rely more on external stimulation than penetration to get off. And that's without even considering the emotional angle of things, which can often do just as much (if not more) than the physical experience to make somebody feel good. HornedLion posted... Not understanding the hate over hymens(or lack thereof). It's not so much hate for hymens as it is hate for the idea that the presence or absence of a hymen means anything significant. Even if we presume that virginity is a meaningful concept (which is a big if), the hymen is not at all a reliable indicator of it, and treating it as being significant (to the point of some people - even in America - having doctors perform "purity checks" on their daughters) is therefore foolish at best. At worst, it gets downright abusive. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:951219011] in Mum says w... [t:79322784]...</cite> <quote>HornedLion posted... </cite> <quote>Well then that guy had a little dick...</quote> Or the natural perforation of her hymen left plenty of room. Or her hymen was particularly elastic. Or she was aroused enough that the lubrication present meant it didn't need to tear. Or any of the myriad other explanations that all combine to form the conclusion of "hymens don't always break during sex" that don't rely on micropenises. HornedLion posted... </cite> <quote>and I think the girl was robbed of a beautiful first experience, and should therefore be allowed to say that she IS, in fact, a virgin.</quote> Outside of really extreme cases (on either end), dick size really doesn't influence that much about how enjoyable sex is, and I say this as somebody who's larger (in both respects) than 99.9% of North American dudes. Angling thrusts properly is generally going to be much more pleasurable than simply penetrating deeper or stretching further, and the vast majority of women rely more on external stimulation than penetration to get off. And that's without even considering the emotional angle of things, which can often do just as much (if not more) than the physical experience to make somebody feel good. HornedLion posted... </cite> <quote>Not understanding the hate over hymens(or lack thereof).</quote> It's not so much hate for hymens as it is hate for the idea that the presence or absence of a hymen means anything significant. Even if we presume that virginity is a meaningful concept (which is a big if), the hymen is not at all a reliable indicator of it, and treating it as being significant (to the point of some people - even in America - having doctors perform "purity checks" on their daughters) is therefore foolish at best. At worst, it gets downright abusive. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muscles 03/01/21 1:48:39 PM #36:	How is there no such thing as virginity? Have her daughters had sex yet? If the answer is no they're virgins, that's how language works. You can't just say a label isn't real because you don't like connotations behind it --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies <cite>Muscles posted [p:951219030] in Mum says w... [t:79322784]...</cite> <quote>How is there no such thing as virginity? Have her daughters had sex yet? If the answer is no they're virgins, that's how language works. You can't just say a label isn't real because you don't like connotations behind it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AWinterJ 03/01/21 1:57:18 PM #37:	Muscles posted... How is there no such thing as virginity? Have her daughters had sex yet? If the answer is no they're virgins, that's how language works. You can't just say a label isn't real because you don't like connotations behind it Her daughters are aged from seven to sixteen so I believe they are actually virgins. This is more about how society sees woman who have a lot of sex with different people compared to how they see men. In general men are often praised for sleeping about when woman are not. On the other side of the coin though a guy who hasn't had sex is looked down upon where as a woman who hasn't is often praised as "pure". These are all old fashioned was of thinking. Still even now we are told obese is beautiful in woman but you asked these woman if they date a "plus size" man and they certainly would not as they find it gross so double standards will always be a thing. I do agree with you. Virginity means you haven't had sex and this woman isn't going to change that no matter what she tells her daughters. --- I am the colour red, in a world of black and white <cite>AWinterJ posted [p:951219318] in Mum says w... [t:79322784]...</cite> <quote>Muscles posted... </cite> <quote>How is there no such thing as virginity? Have her daughters had sex yet? If the answer is no they're virgins, that's how language works. You can't just say a label isn't real because you don't like connotations behind it</quote> Her daughters are aged from seven to sixteen so I believe they are actually virgins. This is more about how society sees woman who have a lot of sex with different people compared to how they see men. In general men are often praised for sleeping about when woman are not. On the other side of the coin though a guy who hasn't had sex is looked down upon where as a woman who hasn't is often praised as "pure". These are all old fashioned was of thinking. Still even now we are told obese is beautiful in woman but you asked these woman if they date a "plus size" man and they certainly would not as they find it gross so double standards will always be a thing. I do agree with you. Virginity means you haven't had sex and this woman isn't going to change that no matter what she tells her daughters. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DirtBasedSoap 03/01/21 2:00:12 PM #38:	Muscles posted... How is there no such thing as virginity? Have her daughters had sex yet? If the answer is no they're virgins, that's how language works. You can't just say a label isn't real because you don't like connotations behind it another big brain post --- hoes mad <cite>DirtBasedSoap posted [p:951219416] in Mum says w... [t:79322784]...</cite> <quote>Muscles posted... </cite> <quote>How is there no such thing as virginity? Have her daughters had sex yet? If the answer is no they're virgins, that's how language works. You can't just say a label isn't real because you don't like connotations behind it</quote>another big brain post </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muscles 03/01/21 2:05:40 PM #39:	AWinterJ posted... This is more about how society sees woman who have a lot of sex with different people compared to how they see men. In general men are often praised for sleeping about when woman are not. On the other side of the coin though a guy who hasn't had sex is looked down upon where as a woman who hasn't is often praised as "pure". These are all old fashioned was of thinking. That's not on society, that's on biology. It's pretty important for the species that men want to spread their seed as much as they can and women want to be more picky with who they fuck, otherwise we wouldn't be much more than monkeys still Discriminate breeding on the females part is important because it let's the species get better instead of letting every bum water down the gene pool --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies <cite>Muscles posted [p:951219592] in Mum says w... [t:79322784]...</cite> <quote>AWinterJ posted... </cite> <quote>This is more about how society sees woman who have a lot of sex with different people compared to how they see men. In general men are often praised for sleeping about when woman are not. On the other side of the coin though a guy who hasn't had sex is looked down upon where as a woman who hasn't is often praised as "pure". These are all old fashioned was of thinking.</quote>That's not on society, that's on biology. It's pretty important for the species that men want to spread their seed as much as they can and women want to be more picky with who they fuck, otherwise we wouldn't be much more than monkeys still Discriminate breeding on the females part is important because it let's the species get better instead of letting every bum water down the gene pool </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DirtBasedSoap 03/01/21 2:07:29 PM #40:	Muscles posted... That's not on society, that's on biology wow you sound like you really get women. --- hoes mad <cite>DirtBasedSoap posted [p:951219654] in Mum says w... [t:79322784]...</cite> <quote>Muscles posted... </cite> <quote>That's not on society, that's on biology</quote>wow you sound like you really get women. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muscles 03/01/21 2:10:06 PM #41:	What's wrong with what I said? Women being picky partners and not just giving it up for just anyone they see was important for the evolution of mankind and went back before any actual societies existed --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies <cite>Muscles posted [p:951219770] in Mum says w... [t:79322784]...</cite> <quote>What's wrong with what I said? Women being picky partners and not just giving it up for just anyone they see was important for the evolution of mankind and went back before any actual societies existed </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blightzkrieg 03/01/21 2:18:37 PM #42:	Jen0125 posted... Not understanding how a hymen = purity Open your inventory, hit R2 twice to get to character overview, hit X to open up details, select the purity stat on the far right. You'll see a +4 in the modifiers window if you have an intact hymen. --- https://imgur.com/1XbPahR <cite>Blightzkrieg posted [p:951220065] in Mum says w... [t:79322784]...</cite> <quote>Jen0125 posted... </cite> <quote>Not understanding how a hymen = purity</quote>Open your inventory, hit R2 twice to get to character overview, hit X to open up details, select the purity stat on the far right. You'll see a +4 in the modifiers window if you have an intact hymen. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EvilMegas 03/01/21 2:20:41 PM #43:	wwinterj25 posted... I guess I'm pure to some... Wow, this is a sad post. --- Official Former King of Black People(Lost to Joe Biden) You are getting this discount. <cite>EvilMegas posted [p:951220150] in Mum says w... [t:79322784]...</cite> <quote>wwinterj25 posted... </cite> <quote>I guess I'm pure to some...</quote>Wow, this is a sad post. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HornedLion 03/01/21 2:20:53 PM #44:	adjl posted... Or the natural perforation of her hymen left plenty of room. Or her hymen was particularly elastic. Or she was aroused enough that the lubrication present meant it didn't need to tear. Or any of the myriad other explanations that all combine to form the conclusion of "hymens don't always break during sex" that don't rely on micropenises. Outside of really extreme cases (on either end), dick size really doesn't influence that much about how enjoyable sex is, and I say this as somebody who's larger (in both respects) than 99.9% of North American dudes. Angling thrusts properly is generally going to be much more pleasurable than simply penetrating deeper or stretching further, and the vast majority of women rely more on external stimulation than penetration to get off. And that's without even considering the emotional angle of things, which can often do just as much (if not more) than the physical experience to make somebody feel good. It's not so much hate for hymens as it is hate for the idea that the presence or absence of a hymen means anything significant. Even if we presume that virginity is a meaningful concept (which is a big if), the hymen is not at all a reliable indicator of it, and treating it as being significant (to the point of some people - even in America - having doctors perform "purity checks" on their daughters) is therefore foolish at best. At worst, it gets downright abusive. I fucking love you, man. --- "Skippitty Bop boom ba-dop. Wham wham bam bam" <cite>HornedLion posted [p:951220156] in Mum says w... [t:79322784]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted... </cite> <quote>Or the natural perforation of her hymen left plenty of room. Or her hymen was particularly elastic. Or she was aroused enough that the lubrication present meant it didn't need to tear. Or any of the myriad other explanations that all combine to form the conclusion of "hymens don't always break during sex" that don't rely on micropenises. Outside of really extreme cases (on either end), dick size really doesn't influence that much about how enjoyable sex is, and I say this as somebody who's larger (in both respects) than 99.9% of North American dudes. Angling thrusts properly is generally going to be much more pleasurable than simply penetrating deeper or stretching further, and the vast majority of women rely more on external stimulation than penetration to get off. And that's without even considering the emotional angle of things, which can often do just as much (if not more) than the physical experience to make somebody feel good. It's not so much hate for hymens as it is hate for the idea that the presence or absence of a hymen means anything significant. Even if we presume that virginity is a meaningful concept (which is a big if), the hymen is not at all a reliable indicator of it, and treating it as being significant (to the point of some people - even in America - having doctors perform "purity checks" on their daughters) is therefore foolish at best. At worst, it gets downright abusive.</quote> I fucking love you, man. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReturnOfFa 03/01/21 2:59:47 PM #45:	well at least HornedLion is open to the information! props to adjl for writing that good info out. --- girls like my fa <cite>ReturnOfFa posted [p:951221523] in Mum says w... [t:79322784]...</cite> <quote>well at least HornedLion is open to the information! props to adjl for writing that good info out. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HornedLion 03/01/21 3:27:43 PM #46:	ReturnOfFa posted... well at least HornedLion is open to the information! props to adjl for writing that good info out. adjl is the fucking man. He brought math into a discussion about science, and got me to rethink a stance I had regarding vaccinations and ASD rates. --- "Skippitty Bop boom ba-dop. Wham wham bam bam" <cite>HornedLion posted [p:951222429] in Mum says w... [t:79322784]...</cite> <quote>ReturnOfFa posted... </cite> <quote>well at least HornedLion is open to the information! props to adjl for writing that good info out.</quote> adjl is the fucking man. He brought math into a discussion about science, and got me to rethink a stance I had regarding vaccinations and ASD rates. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dedbus 03/01/21 3:42:12 PM #47:	This is a great triumph for thots everywhere. <cite>dedbus posted [p:951222933] in Mum says w... [t:79322784]...</cite> <quote>This is a great triumph for thots everywhere. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ClarkDuke 03/01/21 4:08:50 PM #48:	DirtBasedSoap posted... wow you sound like you really get women. if i recall correctly, they're mostly after him for gas money, ok? --- https://imgur.com/qL0DHFI https://imgur.com/JL9rRLt https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ <cite>ClarkDuke posted [p:951223899] in Mum says w... [t:79322784]...</cite> <quote>DirtBasedSoap posted... </cite> <quote>wow you sound like you really get women.</quote>if i recall correctly, they're mostly after him for gas money, ok? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AWinterJ 03/01/21 4:37:33 PM #49:	Muscles posted... That's not on society, that's on biology. No it's a society thing. It doesn't matter how many people you fuck or don't when it comes to biology. Also some people can't reproduce or simply don't want to. Being a woman doesn't automatically mean their self-worth amounts to nothing more than a baby making machine. Muscles posted... What's wrong with what I said? Women being picky partners and not just giving it up for just anyone they see was important for the evolution of mankind and went back before any actual societies existed By that logic surely men should be more picky too. Also having sex doesn't automatically mean getting pregnant. --- I am the colour red, in a world of black and white <cite>AWinterJ posted [p:951224799] in Mum says w... [t:79322784]...</cite> <quote>Muscles posted... </cite> <quote>That's not on society, that's on biology.</quote> No it's a society thing. It doesn't matter how many people you fuck or don't when it comes to biology. Also some people can't reproduce or simply don't want to. Being a woman doesn't automatically mean their self-worth amounts to nothing more than a baby making machine. Muscles posted... </cite> <quote>What's wrong with what I said? Women being picky partners and not just giving it up for just anyone they see was important for the evolution of mankind and went back before any actual societies existed</quote> By that logic surely men should be more picky too. Also having sex doesn't automatically mean getting pregnant. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 03/01/21 5:10:08 PM #50:	Muscles posted... How is there no such thing as virginity? Have her daughters had sex yet? If the answer is no they're virgins, that's how language works. You can't just say a label isn't real because you don't like connotations behind it adjl posted... Basically, the state of not having had sex before does in fact exist, just as the state of not having tried a peanut butter and banana sandwich exists. There's no reason, though, for it to exist so formally, with its own special name and a bunch of social significance attached to it, and the only way to change that is to deny the concept's legitimacy. Already covered, dude. Yes, virginity exists, but there's no reason to put it on a pedestal over the state of not having done anything else. Muscles posted... That's not on society, that's on biology. It's pretty important for the species that men want to spread their seed as much as they can and women want to be more picky with who they fuck, otherwise we wouldn't be much more than monkeys still Discriminate breeding on the females part is important because it let's the species get better instead of letting every bum water down the gene pool You should probably take more than high school biology before trying to act like you understand the subject of evolution. Evolution is not directed. There's no goal or drive behind it. It simply happens, as those that produce more offspring have their genes become more prevalent in the population. Sexual selection does entail deliberate choices on the part of the female (or males, in species like seahorses where males have higher reproductive investment than females), but that's quite distinct from natural selection, and often has nothing to do with "improving" the species by any practical measure. Peacocks are perhaps the most obvious example of this: Those tails are stupid and impractical and dramatically reduce males' ability to avoid predators, but because females prefer larger ones, males with larger ones end up being reproductively successful enough to dominate the gene pool. In species with biparental care (there's actually some room to question whether or not humans evolved as such a species, since early homonids tended to form tribal groups to raise their young, but they still definitely did not evolve to fit the paradigm you're suggesting of "males impregnate every woman they can"), you don't get that runaway sexual selection because both parents are invested in the offspring and therefore benefit from choosing "good" partners. Males still have less direct investment, given that they can skip the whole gestation thing, but they still want to pick a healthy, fertile mate. It's very much not a matter of women being the only picky ones. In fact, throughout most of history and even much of the modern world, women aren't really given a significant say in choosing their mates. Of course, none of this is remotely relevant to non-reproductive sex. Instincts are all well and good, but when reproduction is taken out of the equation (which is the case for the vast majority of sex in the modern world, thanks to birth control), knowing that supersedes instincts. Entity13 posted... Virgin olive oil? Touche'. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:951225875] in Mum says w... [t:79322784]...</cite> <quote>Muscles posted... </cite> <quote>How is there no such thing as virginity? Have her daughters had sex yet? If the answer is no they're virgins, that's how language works. You can't just say a label isn't real because you don't like connotations behind it</quote>adjl posted... </cite> <quote>Basically, the state of not having had sex before does in fact exist, just as the state of not having tried a peanut butter and banana sandwich exists. There's no reason, though, for it to exist so formally, with its own special name and a bunch of social significance attached to it, and the only way to change that is to deny the concept's legitimacy.</quote> Already covered, dude. Yes, virginity exists, but there's no reason to put it on a pedestal over the state of not having done anything else. Muscles posted... </cite> <quote>That's not on society, that's on biology. It's pretty important for the species that men want to spread their seed as much as they can and women want to be more picky with who they fuck, otherwise we wouldn't be much more than monkeys still Discriminate breeding on the females part is important because it let's the species get better instead of letting every bum water down the gene pool</quote> You should probably take more than high school biology before trying to act like you understand the subject of evolution. Evolution is not directed. There's no goal or drive behind it. It simply happens, as those that produce more offspring have their genes become more prevalent in the population. Sexual selection does entail deliberate choices on the part of the female (or males, in species like seahorses where males have higher reproductive investment than females), but that's quite distinct from natural selection, and often has nothing to do with "improving" the species by any practical measure. Peacocks are perhaps the most obvious example of this: Those tails are stupid and impractical and dramatically reduce males' ability to avoid predators, but because females prefer larger ones, males with larger ones end up being reproductively successful enough to dominate the gene pool. In species with biparental care (there's actually some room to question whether or not humans evolved as such a species, since early homonids tended to form tribal groups to raise their young, but they still definitely did not evolve to fit the paradigm you're suggesting of "males impregnate every woman they can"), you don't get that runaway sexual selection because both parents are invested in the offspring and therefore benefit from choosing "good" partners. Males still have less direct investment, given that they can skip the whole gestation thing, but they still want to pick a healthy, fertile mate. It's very much not a matter of women being the only picky ones. In fact, throughout most of history and even much of the modern world, women aren't really given a significant say in choosing their mates. Of course, none of this is remotely relevant to non-reproductive sex. Instincts are all well and good, but when reproduction is taken out of the equation (which is the case for the vast majority of sex in the modern world, thanks to birth control), knowing that supersedes instincts. Entity13 posted... </cite> <quote>Virgin olive oil?</quote> Touche'. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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