Current Events > Gamespot's "black voices in gaming" stream completely destroyed...

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superman 2000 posted...

Some do, but that's not who I'm talking about. If black people getting killed by police makes you uncomfortable in a way that encourages you to downplay the situation, then you're obviously part of the problem.

Then how is the media causing racial divisions and civil unrest?

ImAMarvel posted...

Are politics really being pushing in anyone's faces more so than they were before though?

With the advent of social media and the way it dominates our culture, yeah, I'd say so. Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, SnapChat, YouTube, TikTok, etc. are all still relatively new ways by which we receive, digest, and distribute information. And if you thought the media couldn't be trusted beforehand...

Who's "the media"? Gamers do a good job fanning the flames themselves? Have you ever been on /v/? You have any idea how many people are constantly finding things to be outraged over on there?

No, I haven't been on /v/, so no, I'm not aware. It sounds like many of you are operating off the basis that a good chunk of gamers are deplorable people in general, to which I can't attest one way or the other.

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We don't expose people to enough bad news tbh. People might actually give a fuck if we did.

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The trouble with people rightfully being annoyed with virtue signalling, is it's impossible to prove any given one of them is not racist/sexist.

That said I think it's lazy and reductive to assume all or most of them are.

If you weren't racist, but didn't like virtue signaling, what would be the best way to communicate that with this video?

Because we all know Gamespot doesn't give a flying fuck about black people unless they think pretending to do so will affect their bottom line.

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ledbowman posted...

exaggerated swagger of a black teen

lol

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Conflict posted...

*yawn*

What?

Do you really think companies who change their twitter icon to a rainbow flag (but not in china) during gay pride month do so out of actual compassion and not as a shameless marketing tactic?

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joe40001 posted...

What?

Do you really think companies who change their twitter icon to a rainbow flag (but not in china) during gay pride month do so out of actual compassion and not as a shameless marketing tactic?

That is completely irrelevant. Companies are not people. No one expects companies to have morals. A positive message is a positive message regardless of the source. The only people that ever have a problem with pandering and virtue signaling from companies are the sort of people that have a problem with the message itself but they realize that arguing against the message makes them look bad so they take a different approach.

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Gamers? Being racist?!?

I find that hard to believe

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ImmatureContent posted...

That is completely irrelevant. Companies are not people. No one expects companies to have morals. A positive message is a positive message regardless of the source. The only people that ever have a problem with pandering and virtue signaling from companies are the sort of people that have a problem with the message itself but they realize that arguing against the message makes them look bad so they take a different approach.

LO-fucking-L

Are you serious?

*Company does shameless pandering*

Normal people: "This doesn't make the company/product better or more interesting, I will not change my spending habits as a result of this"

You: "The only reason you aren't supporting the company is because you are a secret bigot!"

Company: "Yes, haha, do my bidding shill!"

You are playing right into their hands with this "if you don't like this that makes you racist" bullshit. Any time a company can release something, and it has a built in defense of "If you don't like this, you are racist" or "if you don't like this you are sexist" or whatever they will often take that, because why wouldn't a cynical company manipulate social shaming to release a product that is effectively "un-dislikable by social pressures"?

Plenty of people see through this practice, which is why the concept of virtue signaling is a thing.

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Aki_Sora posted...

I'm Asian people so when will they make a day to celebrate asian voice

There's an Asian history month too assuming your serious. It's just nobody hates it because nobody hates Asians like they hate us.

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They're not reacting any differently than if Gamespot had posted a "Celebrating White Voices in Gaming".

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joe40001 posted...

LO-fucking-L

Are you serious?

*Company does shameless pandering*

Normal people: "This doesn't make the company/product better or more interesting, I will not change my spending habits as a result of this"

You: "The only reason you aren't supporting the company is because you are a secret bigot!"

Company: "Yes, haha, do my bidding shill!"

You are playing right into their hands with this "if you don't like this that makes you racist" bullshit. Any time a company can release something, and it has a built in defense of "If you don't like this, you are racist" or "if you don't like this you are sexist" or whatever they will often take that, because why wouldn't a cynical company manipulate social shaming to release a product that is effectively "un-dislikable by social pressures"?

Plenty of people see through this practice, which is why the concept of virtue signaling is a thing.

No one cares about these companies, joe. No one gives a shit about supporting them. They care about the message itself. A positive message creates awareness for an issue. It influences society in a positive way. Companies are merely a reflection of society. They don't push messages until the message has already gained popularity within society. However, the dregs of society refuse to change and they take issue when things start changing around them. They lash out. That is what you are doing.

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AlphaCuck posted...

They're not reacting any differently than if Gamespot had posted a "Celebrating White Voices in Gaming".

God I hate liars.

AlphaCuck posted...

They're not reacting any differently than if Gamespot had posted a "Celebrating White Voices in Gaming".

Give me a list of non white voices in gaming off the top of your head. Then tell me more voices off the top of your head that are of color.

They don't need recognition, they already got it. I mean look at twitch and tell me how many of the top streamers of all time are not white. Then tell me the top 10 from last year who aren't white. By default they get recognition, to say they need more is asinine.

And no I don't hate white people. But to say people of color aren't working twice as hard to get half as far to protect white fragility is annoying.

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Makeveli_lives posted...

Give me a list of non white voices in gaming off the top of your head. Then tell me more voices off the top of your head that are of color.

They don't need recognition, they already got it. I mean look at twitch and tell me how many of the top streamers of all time are not white. Then tell me the top 10 from last year who aren't white. By default they get recognition, to say they need more is asinine.

And no I don't hate white people. But to say people of color aren't working twice as hard to get half as far to protect white fragility is annoying.

I agree with you.

But my point is would you turn around and call these commenters racists if such a video like that were posted? My intuition says you, and any other reasonable person, would have a similar reaction and say it was indeed a racist video. But why are they only racists when having the exact same reaction to the video that was actually posted?

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AlphaCuck posted...

I agree with you.

But my point is would you turn around and call these commenters racists if such a video like that were posted? My intuition says you, and any other reasonable person, would have a similar reaction and say it was indeed a racist video. But why are they only racists when having the exact same reaction to the video that was actually posted?

Minorities and majorities are not the same. The situation is different so the reaction should be different. If you take issue with a minority group getting special attention, it stands to reason that you have a problem with that minority group. If you take issue with a majority group getting special attention, it stands to reason that you simply think they already have enough attention.

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Its like grouping up black people to laugh at them, as if theyre a different species. Thats how i see it anyway.

it would be just as bad to do the same and single out any other race

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Ermac posted...

Its like grouping up black people to laugh at them, as if theyre a different species. Thats how i see it anyway.

it would be just as bad to do the same and single out any other race

I think they says more about you dude

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Youtube is the Diablo and Falcom subreddits of video streaming.

In other words, downvoted unless you're a mod or regular.

superman 2000 posted...

Because of the comments I've seen, they either think it's insincere/pandering or have misguided beliefs on what it racial division is, likely exacerbated by the cultural climate and preexisting sentiments towards stuff like BLM. I personally have mixed feelings on the matter, but again, I wouldn't call it racism.

White people getting annoyed on behalf of black people for what they see as pandering.. that is a hell privilege
And your next excuse is literally racism.

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Ellie95 posted...

God I hate liars.

Yeah, that would have gone much much much much much much worse.

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ImmatureContent posted...

No one cares about these companies, joe. No one gives a shit about supporting them. They care about the message itself. A positive message creates awareness for an issue. It influences society in a positive way. Companies are merely a reflection of society. They don't push messages until the message has already gained popularity within society. However, the dregs of society refuse to change and they take issue when things start changing around them. They lash out. That is what you are doing.

They aren't "pushing" a message so much as they are trying to profit off it. It's a cynical corporate maneuver. And recognizing that get's apparently called you a "dreg of society" for those falling for it.

Notice how the "I have a dream speech" isn't vote bombed on yt. (Still too many downvotes for my comfort, but even so) It's not even close. That's because most of the downvotes are people sick of cynical corporate manipulation.

If Pepsi released a soda called "Anti-Racism" would you support it?

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Conflict posted...

Joe, you're probably one of the last people to talk about "normal people"

This is fair enough, what I should have said "independent people who don't blindly follow one political ideology"

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joe40001 posted...

This is fair enough, what I should have said "independent people who don't blindly follow one political ideology"

Yet Trump who clearly hide behind a fake patriotism never get down voted like that be these same type of people .

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Went to the comments to see if it was the usual suspects, YUP.

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Gamers with a capital G living up to the name

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Ermac posted...

Its like grouping up black people to laugh at them, as if theyre a different species. Thats how i see it anyway.

it would be just as bad to do the same and single out any other race

i see so many people sharing this opinion and it really hurts my soul. i'm genuinely confused as to how people can think this way

Blue_Dream87 posted...

I think they says more about you dude

100% true

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RaulJenkins posted...

i see so many people sharing this opinion and it really hurts my soul. i'm genuinely confused as to how people can think this way

They don't, I don't know Raul personally so he could be an outlier, but the same people who says this stuff are the first people to complain if a black character is added into something yelling about forced diversity.

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I'm not interested in the topic, but I don't see any reason to dislike the video. I'd just not watch.
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Support our Troops - "Hell yeah! America! I'm gonna go buy a bald eagle shirt at Wal-Mart!"

Inclusivity - "What the fuck!? How dare these corporations try to manipulate us? You can't fight racism with racism. Those companies don't even really care about anything. They are just profiting off the suckers. But we are too smart for them!"

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curious how joe will not extend any benefit of the doubt to these companies (yes i'm sure gamespot is profiting enormously from this sort of thing) but will bend over backwards to defend all the people downvoting the video as "just people fed up with virtue signaling"

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cjsdowg posted...

Yet Trump who clearly hide behind a fake patriotism never get down voted like that be these same type of people .

I think that's mostly because in these people's mind's Trump is the downvote to society.

It's obvious he's an idiot, so people don't feel manipulated by him.

I do agree if these people would be consistent the should downvote patriotic virtue signaling too, but they are likely blind to it.

Part of that might be that being called "unpatriotic" doesn't carry the same weight as being called racist. I don't know if the republicans have effectively weaponized any shaming terms on democrats in the same way.

Like fox news and worse obviously are being manipulative, but they do very much get called out on it, and at least to me it's more transparent.

This whole "You don't like this company doing a woke thing? I guess you are racist" Seems to get by a lot of otherwise pretty intelligent people.

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Delirious_Beard posted...

curious how joe will not extend any benefit of the doubt to these companies (yes i'm sure gamespot is profiting enormously from this sort of thing) but will bend over backwards to defend all the people downvoting the video as "just people fed up with virtue signaling"

I didn't say all. My very first post was talking about how frustrating it was that it is hard to separate the racists from the (I believe) much larger group who is fed up with virtue singaling.

It boils down to not all Trump voters are racists, but effectively all racists are trump voters.

I don't know why I'd extend these companies the benefit of the doubt about anything though. Have you seen how much capitalism has fucked this country? Maybe I'll defend a company when it takes an actual intelligent stance that jeopardizes it's bottom line.

Until then, these companies are just profiting off the good-will and compassion of decent people.

If you want my opinion, if you really want to support black voices, make the exact same video, but don't call any attention to the race of the players. Up the representation without any "yay us" or tokenization. That normalizes diversity, that is a good thing.

This is just common cynical virtue signaling. No it's not as bad as Trump making money off Nazi dog whistles or promoting election fraud as reality. It's still lame/dumb though.

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joe40001 posted...

it was that it is hard to separate the racists from the (I believe) much larger group who is fed up with virtue singaling.

i'm not sure why this needs explanation, but the kind of people who go around mass disliking videos like this do not do so out of some moral position of opposing corporate virtue signaling. they do it because they do not like being reminded that black people and their struggles exist. you'd have to be an absolute gullible sap to think otherwise, but when people say how tired they are of "forced diversity" and "woke virtue signaling" for something as tame as black history month, guess what, they're just racist.

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Delirious_Beard posted...

i'm not sure why this needs explanation, but the kind of people who go around mass disliking videos like this do not do so out of some moral position of opposing corporate virtue signaling. they do it because they do not like being reminded that black people and their struggles exist. you'd have to be an absolute gullible sap to think otherwise

I agree with this

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Yeah it's a bitch separating the inconveniently vocal racists from the more quiet insidiously "making excuses" racists.

Almost doesn't seem worth the trouble.

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It's about ethnics in game journalism.

luigi13579 posted...

It's about ethnics in game journalism.

Okay that's funny.

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ImmatureContent posted...

Minorities and majorities are not the same. The situation is different so the reaction should be different. If you take issue with a minority group getting special attention, it stands to reason that you have a problem with that minority group. If you take issue with a majority group getting special attention, it stands to reason that you simply think they already have enough attention.

Those are massive assumptions.

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Delirious_Beard posted...

i'm not sure why this needs explanation, but the kind of people who go around mass disliking videos like this do not do so out of some moral position of opposing corporate virtue signaling. they do it because they do not like being reminded that black people and their struggles exist. you'd have to be an absolute gullible sap to think otherwise, but when people say how tired they are of "forced diversity" and "woke virtue signaling" for something as tame as black history month, guess what, they're just racist.

That describes joe btw. I don't know why you don't see that (or maybe you do now) but literally joe is arguing he is upset about this for those reasons

Like, he's not a "gullible sap" who believes other people here. That's the argument he himself is making


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RaulJenkins posted...

I agree with this

I very much do not.

It's a pretty convenient to assume the worst of everybody who doesn't think like you.

Like I said, it's the reason a video like this will have downvotes but a video like MLK's speech, or even just any random video involving black people will not, is because people don't like the shameless corporate thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU1ffHa47YY
Is Lindsay Ellis a bigot? Because she's called out shameless virtue signaling too.

It's asinine to treat people who don't like virtue signaling as all people who don't like the virtues being signaled.

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joe40001 posted...

It's a pretty convenient to assume the worst of everybody who doesn't think like you.

no, it's extremely reasonable and logical to think that (the majority of) people who mass dislike videos don't do so because they oppose corporate virtue signalling

I'm curious as to how many corporations the people who mass dislike these videos (because of supposed virtue signaling) unknowingly support/consume products from corporations who do the exact same thing as being described here (just not related to black history). Further, I wonder how many of their videos they don't dislike

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joe40001 posted...

Is Lindsay Ellis a bigot? Because she's called out shameless virtue signaling too.

It's asinine to treat people who don't like virtue signaling as all people who don't like the virtues being signaled.

This isn't something in a major movie that didn't fit. This is a something on Youtube that for most people they would have to go out of their way to find. So they look up this video just to complain about it.

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