Poll of the Day > Can the US still make amendments to the constitution today?

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FatalAccident 02/21/21 12:25:03 PM #1:	Or is that no longer a thing? also, Im looking at this page.. what does the time span of each ratified amendment mean? Some of them are like 2 years, some are 100 days, some are 202 years wtf? Whats the time span? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_amendments_to_the_United_States_Constitution --- walks away <cite>FatalAccident posted [p:950909220] in Can the US... [t:79308718]...</cite> <quote>Or is that no longer a thing? also, Im looking at this page.. what does the time span of each ratified amendment mean? Some of them are like 2 years, some are 100 days, some are 202 years wtf? Whats the time span? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_amendments_to_the_United_States_Constitution </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 02/21/21 12:27:16 PM #2:	It technically can but because of the way the system is set up its pretty much an impossibility going forward our entire constitution needs to be rewritten for modern day --- YOU control the numbers of leches. -Sal Vulcano <cite>Mead posted [p:950909289] in Can the US... [t:79308718]...</cite> <quote>It technically can but because of the way the system is set up its pretty much an impossibility going forward our entire constitution needs to be rewritten for modern day </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FatalAccident 02/21/21 12:28:39 PM #3:	Mead posted... technically can but because of the way the system is set up its pretty much an impossibility going forward How come? So say for example if they wanted to restrict gun use (and everybody agreed it was a good idea) by making an amendment to the constitution what would stop them? --- walks away <cite>FatalAccident posted [p:950909326] in Can the US... [t:79308718]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted... </cite> <quote>technically can but because of the way the system is set up its pretty much an impossibility going forward</quote>How come? So say for example if they wanted to restrict gun use (and everybody agreed it was a good idea) by making an amendment to the constitution what would stop them? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Judgmenl 02/21/21 12:28:47 PM #4:	Yes, but you need a 2/3 Majority in the house and senate, which is incredibly unlikely. Not to mention, it needs to be ratified by 3/4 of states, which is even less likely than a 2/3 Majority in congress. --- You're a regular Jack Kerouac <cite>Judgmenl posted [p:950909335] in Can the US... [t:79308718]...</cite> <quote>Yes, but you need a 2/3 Majority in the house and senate, which is incredibly unlikely. Not to mention, it needs to be ratified by 3/4 of states, which is even less likely than a 2/3 Majority in congress. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clench281 02/21/21 12:29:07 PM #5:	Time span between when congress passes the proposed amendment, until the requisite 3/4 of states ratify it. Basically it's a two step process; first pass congress, then be approved by enough states. --- Take me for what I am -- who I was meant to be. And if you give a damn, take me baby, or leave me. <cite>Clench281 posted [p:950909349] in Can the US... [t:79308718]...</cite> <quote>Time span between when congress passes the proposed amendment, until the requisite 3/4 of states ratify it. Basically it's a two step process; first pass congress, then be approved by enough states. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
argonautweakend 02/21/21 12:29:26 PM #6:	Of course they can, as that was one of the purposes of the document in the first place. However, it is hard to do, and this happens very rarely in the modern day. Any of one of the bill of rights could be scrapped tomorrow, but it's just unlikely it would ever happen with all the votes and such that need to occur in order to make it happen. As far as the time span it means when the idea was first proposed and then completed. As for why the most recent amendment took over 200 years to be completed, I don't know exactly why that was. <cite>argonautweakend posted [p:950909359] in Can the US... [t:79308718]...</cite> <quote>Of course they can, as that was one of the purposes of the document in the first place. However, it is hard to do, and this happens very rarely in the modern day. Any of one of the bill of rights could be scrapped tomorrow, but it's just unlikely it would ever happen with all the votes and such that need to occur in order to make it happen. As far as the time span it means when the idea was first proposed and then completed. As for why the most recent amendment took over 200 years to be completed, I don't know exactly why that was. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FatalAccident 02/21/21 12:29:41 PM #7:	Also off-topic about American citizenship.. if my pregnant wife/gf and I go on holiday to America and she happens to just give birth whilst were there does that make the kid an American citizen? Even though neither parent has any real connection to the US? --- walks away <cite>FatalAccident posted [p:950909368] in Can the US... [t:79308718]...</cite> <quote>Also off-topic about American citizenship.. if my pregnant wife/gf and I go on holiday to America and she happens to just give birth whilst were there does that make the kid an American citizen? Even though neither parent has any real connection to the US? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 02/21/21 12:31:08 PM #8:	FatalAccident posted... How come? So say for example if they wanted to restrict gun use (and everybody agreed it was a good idea) by making an amendment to the constitution what would stop them? 3/4 of the states would have to agree on adding an amendment and I cant think of anything that could be proposed that 3/4 of states would agree on --- YOU control the numbers of leches. -Sal Vulcano <cite>Mead posted [p:950909410] in Can the US... [t:79308718]...</cite> <quote>FatalAccident posted... </cite> <quote>How come? So say for example if they wanted to restrict gun use (and everybody agreed it was a good idea) by making an amendment to the constitution what would stop them?</quote> 3/4 of the states would have to agree on adding an amendment and I cant think of anything that could be proposed that 3/4 of states would agree on </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Judgmenl 02/21/21 12:32:03 PM #9:	FatalAccident posted... How come? So say for example if they wanted to restrict gun use (and everybody agreed it was a good idea) by making an amendment to the constitution what would stop them? Ratification by the states. --- You're a regular Jack Kerouac <cite>Judgmenl posted [p:950909438] in Can the US... [t:79308718]...</cite> <quote>FatalAccident posted... </cite> <quote>How come? So say for example if they wanted to restrict gun use (and everybody agreed it was a good idea) by making an amendment to the constitution what would stop them?</quote>Ratification by the states. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hospy 02/21/21 12:32:15 PM #10:	FatalAccident posted... Also off-topic about American citizenship.. if my pregnant wife/gf and I go on holiday to America and she happens to just give birth whilst were there does that make the kid an American citizen? Even though neither parent has any real connection to the US? Yep. Which is why birth tourism is a thing here. <cite>Hospy posted [p:950909444] in Can the US... [t:79308718]...</cite> <quote>FatalAccident posted... </cite> <quote>Also off-topic about American citizenship.. if my pregnant wife/gf and I go on holiday to America and she happens to just give birth whilst were there does that make the kid an American citizen? Even though neither parent has any real connection to the US?</quote> Yep. Which is why birth tourism is a thing here. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 02/21/21 12:32:19 PM #11:	FatalAccident posted... Also off-topic about American citizenship.. if my pregnant wife/gf and I go on holiday to America and she happens to just give birth whilst were there does that make the kid an American citizen? Even though neither parent has any real connection to the US? Under US law yes, if you are born on US soil then you are considered a citizen. The law is controversial though and some people want to change it. --- YOU control the numbers of leches. -Sal Vulcano <cite>Mead posted [p:950909447] in Can the US... [t:79308718]...</cite> <quote>FatalAccident posted... </cite> <quote>Also off-topic about American citizenship.. if my pregnant wife/gf and I go on holiday to America and she happens to just give birth whilst were there does that make the kid an American citizen? Even though neither parent has any real connection to the US?</quote> Under US law yes, if you are born on US soil then you are considered a citizen. The law is controversial though and some people want to change it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FatalAccident 02/21/21 12:36:28 PM #12:	Ok so could I choose to not let my baby have American citizenship? Like could I insist nah were just here on holiday we wanna keep our British citizenship for our kid by birth? Or does America have like a legal claim to my babys citizenship and they would insist that the baby is American in the eyes of the law? this is all wildly hypothetical shit btw in case it wasnt obvious --- walks away <cite>FatalAccident posted [p:950909584] in Can the US... [t:79308718]...</cite> <quote>Ok so could I choose to not let my baby have American citizenship? Like could I insist nah were just here on holiday we wanna keep our British citizenship for our kid by birth? Or does America have like a legal claim to my babys citizenship and they would insist that the baby is American in the eyes of the law? this is all wildly hypothetical shit btw in case it wasnt obvious </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hospy 02/21/21 12:37:35 PM #13:	Yeah you can give it up. <cite>Hospy posted [p:950909618] in Can the US... [t:79308718]...</cite> <quote>Yeah you can give it up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Judgmenl 02/21/21 12:38:03 PM #14:	FatalAccident posted... Ok so could I choose to not let my baby have American citizenship? Like could I insist nah were just here on holiday we wanna keep our British citizenship for our kid by birth? Or does America have like a legal claim to my babys citizenship and they would insist that the baby is American in the eyes of the law? this is all wildly hypothetical shit btw in case it wasnt obvious You can have dual-citizenship. --- You're a regular Jack Kerouac <cite>Judgmenl posted [p:950909630] in Can the US... [t:79308718]...</cite> <quote>FatalAccident posted... </cite> <quote>Ok so could I choose to not let my baby have American citizenship? Like could I insist nah were just here on holiday we wanna keep our British citizenship for our kid by birth? Or does America have like a legal claim to my babys citizenship and they would insist that the baby is American in the eyes of the law? this is all wildly hypothetical shit btw in case it wasnt obvious</quote>You can have dual-citizenship. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FatalAccident 02/21/21 12:39:25 PM #15:	argonautweakend posted... As far as the time span it means when the idea was first proposed and then completed. As for why the most recent amendment took over 200 years to be completed, I don't know exactly why that was. Yeah seems like a pretty mundane one to me, basically saying politicians cant give themselves a raise during their time serving? Lol wonder why it took 200 years --- walks away <cite>FatalAccident posted [p:950909683] in Can the US... [t:79308718]...</cite> <quote>argonautweakend posted... </cite> <quote>As far as the time span it means when the idea was first proposed and then completed. As for why the most recent amendment took over 200 years to be completed, I don't know exactly why that was.</quote>Yeah seems like a pretty mundane one to me, basically saying politicians cant give themselves a raise during their time serving? Lol wonder why it took 200 years </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FatalAccident 02/21/21 12:41:34 PM #16:	Judgmenl posted... You can have dual-citizenship. I know that but what if I dont want my kid being an American citizen (I know the obvious one is dont fly to the US 2 days before your baby due). But there are some countries that dont allow dual citizenship. But my real question is if I didnt want American citizenship for the kid for whatever reason (I wanted it British with no other citizenship, or I came from another country that doesnt allow dual citizenship etc) does American law override all of that? --- walks away <cite>FatalAccident posted [p:950909753] in Can the US... [t:79308718]...</cite> <quote>Judgmenl posted... </cite> <quote>You can have dual-citizenship.</quote>I know that but what if I dont want my kid being an American citizen (I know the obvious one is dont fly to the US 2 days before your baby due). But there are some countries that dont allow dual citizenship. But my real question is if I didnt want American citizenship for the kid for whatever reason (I wanted it British with no other citizenship, or I came from another country that doesnt allow dual citizenship etc) does American law override all of that? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clench281 02/21/21 1:01:23 PM #17:	FatalAccident posted... I know that but what if I dont want my kid being an American citizen (I know the obvious one is dont fly to the US 2 days before your baby due). But there are some countries that dont allow dual citizenship. But my real question is if I didnt want American citizenship for the kid for whatever reason (I wanted it British with no other citizenship, or I came from another country that doesnt allow dual citizenship etc) does American law override all of that? Pretty sure that at least in the USA it's not up to the parents whether the child retains citizenship. Nor should it be the parents' decision. --- Take me for what I am -- who I was meant to be. And if you give a damn, take me baby, or leave me. <cite>Clench281 posted [p:950910423] in Can the US... [t:79308718]...</cite> <quote>FatalAccident posted... </cite> <quote>I know that but what if I dont want my kid being an American citizen (I know the obvious one is dont fly to the US 2 days before your baby due). But there are some countries that dont allow dual citizenship. But my real question is if I didnt want American citizenship for the kid for whatever reason (I wanted it British with no other citizenship, or I came from another country that doesnt allow dual citizenship etc) does American law override all of that?</quote> Pretty sure that at least in the USA it's not up to the parents whether the child retains citizenship. Nor should it be the parents' decision. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blightzkrieg 02/21/21 1:05:49 PM #18:	well yes, but actually no --- https://imgur.com/1XbPahR <cite>Blightzkrieg posted [p:950910585] in Can the US... [t:79308718]...</cite> <quote>well yes, but actually no </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hospy 02/21/21 1:19:37 PM #19:	Clench281 posted... Pretty sure that at least in the USA it's not up to the parents whether the child retains citizenship. Nor should it be the parents' decision. No, the parents can give up their childs citizenship. I have a cousin who contracted a surrogate to have a baby here and they gave up the babys citizenship. <cite>Hospy posted [p:950911086] in Can the US... [t:79308718]...</cite> <quote>Clench281 posted... </cite> <quote>Pretty sure that at least in the USA it's not up to the parents whether the child retains citizenship. Nor should it be the parents' decision.</quote> No, the parents can give up their childs citizenship. I have a cousin who contracted a surrogate to have a baby here and they gave up the babys citizenship. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
faramir77 02/21/21 1:27:17 PM #20:	I'll never understand constitution worship in the USA. Canada rewrote their constitution in the 1980s. The old one was only 115 years old at that time but there was already a clear understanding that it needed to be redone. --- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiCtAUrZbUk -- Defeating the Running Man of Ocarina of Time in a race since 01/17/2009. -- <cite>faramir77 posted [p:950911334] in Can the US... [t:79308718]...</cite> <quote>I'll never understand constitution worship in the USA. Canada rewrote their constitution in the 1980s. The old one was only 115 years old at that time but there was already a clear understanding that it needed to be redone. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clench281 02/21/21 1:28:56 PM #21:	Hospy posted... No, the parents can give up their childs citizenship. I have a cousin who contracted a surrogate to have a baby here and they gave up the babys citizenship. Really? https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-legal-considerations/us-citizenship/Renunciation-US-Nationality-Abroad.html Citizenship is a status that is personal to the U.S. citizen. Therefore parents may not renounce the citizenship of their minor children. Similarly, parents/legal guardians may not renounce the citizenship of individuals who lack sufficient capacity to do so. Minors seeking to renounce their U.S. citizenship must demonstrate to a consular officer that they are acting voluntarily, without undue influence from parent(s), and that they fully understand the implications/consequences attendant to the renunciation of U.S. citizenship. Children under 16 are presumed not to have the requisite maturity and knowing intent to relinquish citizenship; children under 18 are provided additional safeguards during the renunciation process, and their cases are afforded very careful consideration by post and the Department to assess their voluntariness and informed intent. Unless there are emergent circumstances, minors may wish to wait until age 18 to renounce citizenship. --- Take me for what I am -- who I was meant to be. And if you give a damn, take me baby, or leave me. <cite>Clench281 posted [p:950911379] in Can the US... [t:79308718]...</cite> <quote>Hospy posted... </cite> <quote>No, the parents can give up their childs citizenship. I have a cousin who contracted a surrogate to have a baby here and they gave up the babys citizenship.</quote> Really? https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-legal-considerations/us-citizenship/Renunciation-US-Nationality-Abroad.html Citizenship is a status that is personal to the U.S. citizen. Therefore parents may not renounce the citizenship of their minor children. Similarly, parents/legal guardians may not renounce the citizenship of individuals who lack sufficient capacity to do so. Minors seeking to renounce their U.S. citizenship must demonstrate to a consular officer that they are acting voluntarily, without undue influence from parent(s), and that they fully understand the implications/consequences attendant to the renunciation of U.S. citizenship. Children under 16 are presumed not to have the requisite maturity and knowing intent to relinquish citizenship; children under 18 are provided additional safeguards during the renunciation process, and their cases are afforded very careful consideration by post and the Department to assess their voluntariness and informed intent. Unless there are emergent circumstances, minors may wish to wait until age 18 to renounce citizenship. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FatalAccident 02/21/21 1:30:11 PM #22:	Hospy posted... No, the parents can give up their childs citizenship. I have a cousin who contracted a surrogate to have a baby here and they gave up the babys citizenship. Gave up as in took away American citizenship? --- walks away <cite>FatalAccident posted [p:950911409] in Can the US... [t:79308718]...</cite> <quote>Hospy posted... </cite> <quote>No, the parents can give up their childs citizenship. I have a cousin who contracted a surrogate to have a baby here and they gave up the babys citizenship.</quote>Gave up as in took away American citizenship? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Firewerx 02/21/21 1:38:44 PM #23:	Judgmenl posted... You can have dual-citizenship. How does dual citizenship work if you're doing compulsory military service in another country, and then suddenly there's an armed clash between the US and that other country? Would you lose your US citizenship permanently if military action was brief but hostilities did not formally end in a legal sense? --- Incinerate <cite>Firewerx posted [p:950911692] in Can the US... [t:79308718]...</cite> <quote>Judgmenl posted... </cite> <quote>You can have dual-citizenship.</quote>How does dual citizenship work if you're doing compulsory military service in another country, and then suddenly there's an armed clash between the US and that other country? Would you lose your US citizenship permanently if military action was brief but hostilities did not formally end in a legal sense? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hospy 02/21/21 1:43:59 PM #24:	Clench281 posted... Really? https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-legal-considerations/us-citizenship/Renunciation-US-Nationality-Abroad.html Citizenship is a status that is personal to the U.S. citizen. Therefore parents may not renounce the citizenship of their minor children. Similarly, parents/legal guardians may not renounce the citizenship of individuals who lack sufficient capacity to do so. Minors seeking to renounce their U.S. citizenship must demonstrate to a consular officer that they are acting voluntarily, without undue influence from parent(s), and that they fully understand the implications/consequences attendant to the renunciation of U.S. citizenship. Children under 16 are presumed not to have the requisite maturity and knowing intent to relinquish citizenship; children under 18 are provided additional safeguards during the renunciation process, and their cases are afforded very careful consideration by post and the Department to assess their voluntariness and informed intent. Unless there are emergent circumstances, minors may wish to wait until age 18 to renounce citizenship. I stand corrected then, either I heard my cousin incorrectly or surrogacy is handled differently. FatalAccident posted... Gave up as in took away American citizenship? I believe the implication was he gave up the babys US citizenship but the post above states otherwise <cite>Hospy posted [p:950911869] in Can the US... [t:79308718]...</cite> <quote>Clench281 posted... </cite> <quote>Really? https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-legal-considerations/us-citizenship/Renunciation-US-Nationality-Abroad.html Citizenship is a status that is personal to the U.S. citizen. Therefore parents may not renounce the citizenship of their minor children. Similarly, parents/legal guardians may not renounce the citizenship of individuals who lack sufficient capacity to do so. Minors seeking to renounce their U.S. citizenship must demonstrate to a consular officer that they are acting voluntarily, without undue influence from parent(s), and that they fully understand the implications/consequences attendant to the renunciation of U.S. citizenship. Children under 16 are presumed not to have the requisite maturity and knowing intent to relinquish citizenship; children under 18 are provided additional safeguards during the renunciation process, and their cases are afforded very careful consideration by post and the Department to assess their voluntariness and informed intent. Unless there are emergent circumstances, minors may wish to wait until age 18 to renounce citizenship.</quote> I stand corrected then, either I heard my cousin incorrectly or surrogacy is handled differently. FatalAccident posted... </cite> <quote>Gave up as in took away American citizenship?</quote> I believe the implication was he gave up the babys US citizenship but the post above states otherwise </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 02/21/21 1:46:24 PM #25:	FatalAccident posted... Also off-topic about American citizenship.. if my pregnant wife/gf and I go on holiday to America and she happens to just give birth whilst were there does that make the kid an American citizen? Even though neither parent has any real connection to the US? Yes, because the US is one of the only nations on the planet to recognize birthright citizenship. Early in the US's history, the policy made a lot of sense, but it's kinda ridiculous today. FatalAccident posted... Ok so could I choose to not let my baby have American citizenship? Yes, you can relinquish citizenship. The US isn't China. FatalAccident posted... Like could I insist nah were just here on holiday we wanna keep our British citizenship for our kid by birth? lolwut? You're going to have your native citizenship regardless, unless your nation has some law where it doesn't grant citizenship to children born abroad. And, in theory, your child would have dual citizenship if you don't relinquish it, at least up until a certain age when he might have to choose one nation. faramir77 posted... I'll never understand constitution worship in the USA. Canada rewrote their constitution in the 1980s. The old one was only 115 years old at that time but there was already a clear understanding that it needed to be redone. Because it's pretty common fucking sense that founding documents need some permanency. Not to mention any changes today would likely be a partisan shit-show where the only way they'd get done is if one side had a super-majority. More importantly, the US's last amendment was in 1992, so it's not like changes haven't happened, considering that we've had 27 amendments. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:950911943] in Can the US... [t:79308718]...</cite> <quote>FatalAccident posted... </cite> <quote>Also off-topic about American citizenship.. if my pregnant wife/gf and I go on holiday to America and she happens to just give birth whilst were there does that make the kid an American citizen? Even though neither parent has any real connection to the US?</quote> Yes, because the US is one of the only nations on the planet to recognize birthright citizenship. Early in the US's history, the policy made a lot of sense, but it's kinda ridiculous today. FatalAccident posted... </cite> <quote>Ok so could I choose to not let my baby have American citizenship?</quote> Yes, you can relinquish citizenship. The US isn't China. FatalAccident posted... </cite> <quote>Like could I insist nah were just here on holiday we wanna keep our British citizenship for our kid by birth?</quote> lolwut? You're going to have your native citizenship regardless, unless your nation has some law where it doesn't grant citizenship to children born abroad. And, in theory, your child would have dual citizenship if you don't relinquish it, at least up until a certain age when he might have to choose one nation. faramir77 posted... </cite> <quote>I'll never understand constitution worship in the USA. Canada rewrote their constitution in the 1980s. The old one was only 115 years old at that time but there was already a clear understanding that it needed to be redone.</quote> Because it's pretty common fucking sense that founding documents need some permanency. Not to mention any changes today would likely be a partisan shit-show where the only way they'd get done is if one side had a super-majority. More importantly, the US's last amendment was in 1992, so it's not like changes haven't happened, considering that we've had 27 amendments. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wander_Nomaddd 02/21/21 1:59:06 PM #26:	It is, but it essentially has to be something that is almost unanimously wanted. Also the 27th amendment was originally not ratified with the 1st 10 amendments but then in the 80s some college student wrote a paper on it claiming it could still be ratified and brought attention to it and eventually it did. That's why the time span is 202 years. --- IG: wander_nomaddd Switch FC: SW-6568-9363-3013 <cite>Wander_Nomaddd posted [p:950912350] in Can the US... [t:79308718]...</cite> <quote>It is, but it essentially has to be something that is almost unanimously wanted. Also the 27th amendment was originally not ratified with the 1st 10 amendments but then in the 80s some college student wrote a paper on it claiming it could still be ratified and brought attention to it and eventually it did. That's why the time span is 202 years. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
faramir77 02/21/21 2:00:58 PM #27:	Zeus posted... Because it's pretty common fucking sense that founding documents need some permanency. Not to mention any changes today would likely be a partisan shit-show where the only way they'd get done is if one side had a super-majority. More importantly, the US's last amendment was in 1992, so it's not like changes haven't happened, considering that we've had 27 amendments. That isn't "common fucking sense" at all, that's closer to nonsense than anything. The world is not even remotely close to being the way it was in the 1700s. Nations rewrite their constitutions all the time for this exact reason. --- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiCtAUrZbUk -- Defeating the Running Man of Ocarina of Time in a race since 01/17/2009. -- <cite>faramir77 posted [p:950912419] in Can the US... [t:79308718]...</cite> <quote>Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>Because it's pretty common fucking sense that founding documents need some permanency. Not to mention any changes today would likely be a partisan shit-show where the only way they'd get done is if one side had a super-majority. More importantly, the US's last amendment was in 1992, so it's not like changes haven't happened, considering that we've had 27 amendments.</quote> That isn't "common fucking sense" at all, that's closer to nonsense than anything. The world is not even remotely close to being the way it was in the 1700s. Nations rewrite their constitutions all the time for this exact reason. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jsb0714 02/21/21 2:13:08 PM #28:	Mead posted... It technically can but because of the way the system is set up its pretty much an impossibility going forward our entire constitution needs to be rewritten for modern day Any constitution written today would be an ungodly piece of shit. <cite>jsb0714 posted [p:950912805] in Can the US... [t:79308718]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted... </cite> <quote>It technically can but because of the way the system is set up its pretty much an impossibility going forward our entire constitution needs to be rewritten for modern day</quote>Any constitution written today would be an ungodly piece of shit. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 02/21/21 2:14:56 PM #29:	faramir77 posted... That isn't "common fucking sense" at all, that's closer to nonsense than anything. The world is not even remotely close to being the way it was in the 1700s. Nations rewrite their constitutions all the time for this exact reason. What's nonsense is constantly re-writing founding documents. At that point, you might as well not even fucking have them. Founding documents are supposed to provide a bedrock for your government and add permanency. Your constitution is perhaps the biggest thing restricting government, which is why authoritarian-leaning countries hate the idea so much since they're not able to just do whatever they please. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:950912864] in Can the US... [t:79308718]...</cite> <quote>faramir77 posted... </cite> <quote>That isn't "common fucking sense" at all, that's closer to nonsense than anything. The world is not even remotely close to being the way it was in the 1700s. Nations rewrite their constitutions all the time for this exact reason.</quote> What's nonsense is constantly re-writing founding documents. At that point, you might as well not even fucking have them. Founding documents are supposed to provide a bedrock for your government and add permanency. Your constitution is perhaps the biggest thing restricting government, which is why authoritarian-leaning countries hate the idea so much since they're not able to just do whatever they please. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
faramir77 02/21/21 2:22:43 PM #30:	Zeus posted... Your constitution is perhaps the biggest thing restricting government, The US constitution is doing an abysmal job of that. --- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiCtAUrZbUk -- Defeating the Running Man of Ocarina of Time in a race since 01/17/2009. -- <cite>faramir77 posted [p:950913070] in Can the US... [t:79308718]...</cite> <quote>Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>Your constitution is perhaps the biggest thing restricting government,</quote> The US constitution is doing an abysmal job of that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Krazy_Kirby 02/21/21 2:44:57 PM #31:	FatalAccident posted... Also off-topic about American citizenship.. if my pregnant wife/gf and I go on holiday to America and she happens to just give birth whilst were there does that make the kid an American citizen? Even though neither parent has any real connection to the US? yes, which is stupid, and gets taken advantage of all the time --- Kill From The Shadows. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot <cite>Krazy_Kirby posted [p:950913727] in Can the US... [t:79308718]...</cite> <quote>FatalAccident posted...</cite> <quote>Also off-topic about American citizenship.. if my pregnant wife/gf and I go on holiday to America and she happens to just give birth whilst were there does that make the kid an American citizen? Even though neither parent has any real connection to the US? </quote> yes, which is stupid, and gets taken advantage of all the time</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkknight109 02/21/21 2:46:40 PM #32:	Theoretically? Yes. Practically? No. Zeus posted... Because it's pretty common fucking sense that founding documents need some permanency. The original US constitution allowed slavery and restricted the vote to white men. That the sort of permanency you're looking for? --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:950913783] in Can the US... [t:79308718]...</cite> <quote>Theoretically? Yes. Practically? No. Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>Because it's pretty common fucking sense that founding documents need some permanency.</quote>The original US constitution allowed slavery and restricted the vote to white men. That the sort of permanency you're looking for? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Krazy_Kirby 02/21/21 2:47:54 PM #33:	FatalAccident posted... How come? So say for example if they wanted to restrict gun use (and everybody agreed it was a good idea) by making an amendment to the constitution what would stop them? thankfully not enough states would ever agree to that crap --- Kill From The Shadows. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot <cite>Krazy_Kirby posted [p:950913834] in Can the US... [t:79308718]...</cite> <quote>FatalAccident posted...</cite> <quote> How come? So say for example if they wanted to restrict gun use (and everybody agreed it was a good idea) by making an amendment to the constitution what would stop them? </quote> thankfully not enough states would ever agree to that crap</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 02/21/21 2:54:47 PM #34:	jsb0714 posted... Any constitution written today would be an ungodly piece of shit. Based on what evidence? --- YOU control the numbers of leches. -Sal Vulcano <cite>Mead posted [p:950914042] in Can the US... [t:79308718]...</cite> <quote>jsb0714 posted... </cite> <quote>Any constitution written today would be an ungodly piece of shit.</quote> Based on what evidence? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hospy 02/21/21 2:59:27 PM #35:	darkknight109 posted... Theoretically? Yes. Practically? No. The original US constitution allowed slavery and restricted the vote to white men. That the sort of permanency you're looking for? And it was amended by the process that it allows, is that not a point in its favor? <cite>Hospy posted [p:950914200] in Can the US... [t:79308718]...</cite> <quote>darkknight109 posted... </cite> <quote>Theoretically? Yes. Practically? No. The original US constitution allowed slavery and restricted the vote to white men. That the sort of permanency you're looking for?</quote>And it was amended by the process that it allows, is that not a point in its favor? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blightzkrieg 02/21/21 3:07:21 PM #36:	Mead posted... Based on what evidence? SJWs would throw in some kind of "white people count as 3/5 of black people" clause. --- https://imgur.com/1XbPahR <cite>Blightzkrieg posted [p:950914441] in Can the US... [t:79308718]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted... </cite> <quote>Based on what evidence?</quote>SJWs would throw in some kind of "white people count as 3/5 of black people" clause. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clench281 02/21/21 3:23:27 PM #37:	Zeus posted... Yes, you can relinquish citizenship. The US isn't China. As already discussed, no, as a parent you can't renounce your child's citizenship. --- Take me for what I am -- who I was meant to be. And if you give a damn, take me baby, or leave me. <cite>Clench281 posted [p:950915002] in Can the US... [t:79308718]...</cite> <quote>Zeus posted... </cite> <quote> Yes, you can relinquish citizenship. The US isn't China.</quote> As already discussed, no, as a parent you can't renounce your child's citizenship. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 02/21/21 3:24:40 PM #38:	didn't Jefferson or something say that the constitution should be thrown out and rewritten every 20 years or so? --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:950915051] in Can the US... [t:79308718]...</cite> <quote>didn't Jefferson or something say that the constitution should be thrown out and rewritten every 20 years or so? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kukukupo 02/21/21 3:29:03 PM #39:	Mead posted... It technically can but because of the way the system is set up its pretty much an impossibility going forward our entire constitution needs to be rewritten for modern day disagree 100%. Our constitution is fine. If a new amendment is needed it will happen. <cite>kukukupo posted [p:950915185] in Can the US... [t:79308718]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted... </cite> <quote>It technically can but because of the way the system is set up its pretty much an impossibility going forward our entire constitution needs to be rewritten for modern day</quote> disagree 100%. Our constitution is fine. If a new amendment is needed it will happen. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 02/21/21 4:02:09 PM #40:	Blightzkrieg posted... SJWs would throw in some kind of "white people count as 3/5 of black people" clause. but we could also write in something to help gamers, the truly oppressed class --- YOU control the numbers of leches. -Sal Vulcano <cite>Mead posted [p:950916305] in Can the US... [t:79308718]...</cite> <quote>Blightzkrieg posted... </cite> <quote>SJWs would throw in some kind of "white people count as 3/5 of black people" clause.</quote> but we could also write in something to help gamers, the truly oppressed class </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 02/21/21 4:03:58 PM #41:	kukukupo posted... disagree 100%. Our constitution is fine. If a new amendment is needed it will happen. Youre free to disagree but youre very obviously wrong on both counts --- YOU control the numbers of leches. -Sal Vulcano <cite>Mead posted [p:950916353] in Can the US... [t:79308718]...</cite> <quote>kukukupo posted... </cite> <quote>disagree 100%. Our constitution is fine. If a new amendment is needed it will happen.</quote> Youre free to disagree but youre very obviously wrong on both counts </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zareth 02/21/21 4:10:11 PM #42:	Mead posted... Under US law yes, if you are born on US soil then you are considered a citizen. The law is controversial though and some people want to change it. Yeah, it's also especially dumb that the children of US citizens born in foreign countries are still considered US citizens. --- It's okay, I have no idea who I am either. https://imgur.com/WOo6wcq <cite>Zareth posted [p:950916568] in Can the US... [t:79308718]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted... </cite> <quote>Under US law yes, if you are born on US soil then you are considered a citizen. The law is controversial though and some people want to change it.</quote>Yeah, it's also especially dumb that the children of US citizens born in foreign countries are still considered US citizens. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Krazy_Kirby 02/21/21 4:21:27 PM #43:	Zareth posted... Yeah, it's also especially dumb that the children of US citizens born in foreign countries are still considered US citizens. no it isn't, because their parents are citizens --- Kill From The Shadows. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot <cite>Krazy_Kirby posted [p:950916904] in Can the US... [t:79308718]...</cite> <quote>Zareth posted...</cite> <quote> Yeah, it's also especially dumb that the children of US citizens born in foreign countries are still considered US citizens. </quote> no it isn't, because their parents are citizens</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReturnOfFa 02/21/21 4:28:56 PM #44:	Liberals are going to change the constitution to force everyone into gay sexy gulags!!! --- girls like my fa <cite>ReturnOfFa posted [p:950917114] in Can the US... [t:79308718]...</cite> <quote>Liberals are going to change the constitution to force everyone into gay sexy gulags!!! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 02/21/21 4:29:33 PM #45:	Zareth posted... Yeah, it's also especially dumb that the children of US citizens born in foreign countries are still considered US citizens. why is that dumb? --- YOU control the numbers of leches. -Sal Vulcano <cite>Mead posted [p:950917127] in Can the US... [t:79308718]...</cite> <quote>Zareth posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah, it's also especially dumb that the children of US citizens born in foreign countries are still considered US citizens.</quote> why is that dumb? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 02/21/21 4:35:00 PM #46:	Mead posted... why is that dumb? why does where you dropped out of your mother affect if you should be a citizen or not? What if your mother taking taking a vacation into / out of the US at the particular moment you were ready to eject? Why should that be a life-changing event for you? <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:950917295] in Can the US... [t:79308718]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted... </cite> <quote>why is that dumb?</quote> why does where you dropped out of your mother affect if you should be a citizen or not? What if your mother taking taking a vacation into / out of the US at the particular moment you were ready to eject? Why should that be a life-changing event for you? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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