Current Events > If you raise the minimum wage, prices will go up!

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CloneTheHero posted...

shhhh youre making too much sense. youre gonna hurt someones feelings

again, like you said, if youre being financially irresponsible by having kids when youre a low skilled worker thats on you. i know kids are fucking cute and we all want 5 of them but its irresponsible to bring them into the world when you have no money and living paycheck to paycheck

In my area the average wage required to live as a single person was $17.34/hour.
That was 3 years ago, and min wage was $13/hr at the time.

When a single person living alone while renting can't afford to survive, something in the system is broken.
Nevermind that min wage hasn't kept up with inflation for decades.

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Neoconkers posted...

always find it interesting when people discuss this that they can just rattle off a list of people they feel are "unworthy" of a living wage. maybe you should ask yourself why you hate cashiers or fast food workers so much that you think they shouldn't be able to live off 40 hours' wage a week

That situation should never happen. If it does, that person made poor choices that led up to that.

If you didn't bother to try in primary/secondary school

Didn't go to college or a trade school

Didn't learn any skills at all

And overall accomplished nothing by age 25

You deserve no sympathy for not being able to afford a good apartment.

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Imagine a society where no one worked min wage jobs and everyone was an engineer or doctor.

I don't think the people pushing against increasing min wage so people working a job get paid enough to live understand how important these jobs are if they didn't exist.

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I love how the alt right moves to goal post to dont have four kids and accumulate a ton of debt. Single people with no debt can barely afford food, bills, and rent with minimum wage.

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CloneTheHero posted...

those are clearly people living in blue states where the taxes are up the ass.

https://apnews.com/article/2f83c72de1bd440d92cdbc0d3b6bc08c

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CloneTheHero posted...

those are clearly people living in blue states where the taxes are up the ass.

pro tip. if youre a low skilled worker in places like California. leave. right now lol

Strawman.

In Montana minimum wage is $8.50
Average wage required to live alone is $11.35.

Louisiana min wage is $7.50
Livable wage for a single person is $11.45

Edit: that's just a couple examples.

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Tmaster148 posted...

Imagine a society where no one worked min wage jobs and everyone was an engineer or doctor.

I don't think the people pushing against increasing min wage so people working a job get paid enough to live understand how important these jobs are if they didn't exist.

There's a certain irony in how anti-livable wage people often come off poorly skilled and uneducated themselves, in multiple fields even.

Makes you wonder what value, if any, they provide that makes them think they get a say in this, or if they simply hate others so much that they're willing to cut their own legs off.
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I'm not sure why people keep pretending America is a meritocracy.
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Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...

There's a certain irony in how anti-livable wage people often come off poorly skilled and uneducated themselves, in multiple fields even.

Makes you wonder what value, if any, they provide that makes them think they get a say in this, or if they simply hate others so much that they're willing to cut their own legs off.

Seriously. You can smell the lack of economic knowledge when they speak.

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Socialist grifters acting knowledgeable about economics is always good for a laugh

This topic is bad, and everyone in it should feel bad.
If I have to explain why, its going to be long and no one will read it, so fuck that.

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Comfy_Pillow posted...

Socialist grifters acting knowledgeable about economics is always good for a laugh

More knowledgeable than someone sitting pretty because of their parents hard work. Who themselves have never truly worked in their lives.

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_Squirtle_ posted...

That situation should never happen. If it does, that person made poor choices that led up to that.

If you didn't bother to try in primary/secondary school

Didn't go to college or a trade school

Didn't learn any skills at all

And overall accomplished nothing by age 25

You deserve no sympathy for not being able to afford a good apartment.

Imagine being this guy.

meestermj posted...

It's really easy to see who hates poor people in this thread.

Actually its not. For me there's only like 11 posts on the first page. Using 50 posts per page

EDIT: Caught up. There's like 30 posts in this topic at all now. And I got to add two more trolls to my ignore list
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_Squirtle_ posted...

That situation should never happen. If it does, that person made poor choices that led up to that.

If you didn't bother to try in primary/secondary school

Didn't go to college or a trade school

Didn't learn any skills at all

And overall accomplished nothing by age 25

You deserve no sympathy for not being able to afford a good apartment.

Mm edgy mang

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So now the chuds have moved the goalposts even further by assuming all min wage workers have 5 kids and drowning in debt and want a good apartment

Next thing you know they will all be criminals who need the wage increase to pay their fines lmao

Also hilarious how half of the anti wage people here are just posting petty dismissive i-know-more-than-you shitposts that don't make an argument while the other side has presented actual numbers and data and studies yet they claim to be the knowledgeable ones michaeljordanlaughing.gif

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_Squirtle_ posted...

That situation should never happen. If it does, that person made poor choices that led up to that.

If you didn't bother to try in primary/secondary school

Didn't go to college or a trade school

Didn't learn any skills at all

And overall accomplished nothing by age 25

You deserve no sympathy for not being able to afford a good apartment.

Well I'm sure telling millions of poor people "You made bad decisions, now fuck off and die" is great for an economy and the general stability of society. Are we going to go in and take children away if they happen to have those too? Or are we going to wag fingers at them when they grow up and blame them for choosing to be raised in poverty?

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hockeybub89 posted...

Well I'm sure telling millions of poor people "You made bad decisions, now fuck off and die" is great for an economy and the general stability of society. Are we going to go in and take children away if they happen to have those too? Or are we going to wag fingers at them when they grow up and blame them for choosing to be raised in poverty?

Pretty much what gamefaqs users do now with the rona Oh you didnt wear a mask?! I hope you die

In my experience, when min wage goes up hours get cut.

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Prices dont even need to increase. Its just corporate greed still wanting record profits year after year.

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History repeats.

Bleuets posted...

Pretty much what gamefaqs users do now with the rona Oh you didnt wear a mask?! I hope you die

Lol? For a lot of people poverty isn't a choice. Wearing a mask on the other hand, literally babies can do

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legendarylemur posted...

Lol? For a lot of people poverty isn't a choice. Wearing a mask on the other hand, literally babies can do

funny how when people make poor life choices you all feel inclined to be like wait guys, give them a second chance we need to take care of everyone. But when people make poor life choices you dont like? Oh fuck them i think its funny and hope they die!!

maybe republicans and democrats arent as different as you want to believe

Bleuets posted...

Pretty much what gamefaqs users do now with the rona Oh you didnt wear a mask?! I hope you die

Here is a great centrist take. "Everyone wants to kill everyone, so I just don't care either way. Both sides. Also, liberals suck!"

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Bleuets posted...

funny how when people make poor life choices you all feel inclined to be like wait guys, give them a second chance we need to take care of everyone. But when people make poor life choices you dont like? Oh fuck them i think its funny and hope they die!!

maybe republicans and democrats arent as different as you want to believe

Guys, don't take this bait.

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Also it should go without saying that under our current system, the more skilled workers we have in the workforce, the more undervalued those people will be due to high supply.

I mean, that's EXACTLY what happened when everybody decided to start going to college as they were told to.

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Teh_Dr_Phil posted...

Prices dont even need to increase. Its just corporate greed still wanting record profits year after year.

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21WIVES_CHILL posted...

It really boggles my mind when people demand minimum wage jobs to be a viable source of livable income.

It really boggles my mind that so many people are comfortably, confidently moronic as fuck.

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lightwarrior78 posted...

Pretty much proves my point: it's an issue about people with no ambition or even desire to have ambition.

"bOoTsTrApS!!"

lightwarrior78 posted...

Pretty much proves my point: it's an issue about people with no ambition or even desire to have ambition. Why are these jobs what people seem to strive for instead of say, doctors, engineers, or business owners?

I want everyone to have a good wage, but we couldn't keep the lamp lighters, or stagecoach makers or elevator operators around just to keep them from having to try harder in more in demand jobs. Why should people looking to do minimum effort to the point of fighting to keep it around instead of phased out get a boost in their minimum wage?

I know this was posted forever ago but holy shit dude. Who do you think is striving to work mininum wage for the rest of their life? Are you really that deluded?

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Guys, don't take this bait.

Trust me, he's just another bootstrapper going on ignore/block.
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DarkProto05 posted...

If someone works 45 hours a week as a cashier they deserve a livable wage. Dont disrespect grocery store workers. They do more for people than your average while collar job.

It is not the usefulness of a vocation that determines wage--it's skill level required.

And if a cashier is working 45 hours a week they are into OT, they have a livable wage.

We are moving our economy in such a way that only fast food restaurants will exist. No more family owned gas stations. No more family run grocery. And as soon as they are gone, Walmart and Muphy USA will hike prices. The hypocrisy of some---against monopolies but all about the polices that allow them.

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Neoconkers posted...

always find it interesting when people discuss this that they can just rattle off a list of people they feel are "unworthy" of a living wage. maybe you should ask yourself why you hate cashiers or fast food workers so much that you think they shouldn't be able to live off 40 hours' wage a week

You are skipping the logistical part and going straight to emotional.

In the short term these peoples lives will improve, albeit briefly as the market will catch up to the wage hike and everything goes up. It is so easy to say that if you don't support doubling the minimum wage then you hate poor people. So stupid. So typical. "If you are X then you ARE Y there is NO logical argument between!!" Like seriously grow up and think, don't just spit in our faces and tell us we are evil because we disagree. Minimum wage is not how we solve poverty. Technology, policy and intelligent use of welfare for those unable to work--that's how. For evidence of this, look no further than the world economy. There are EFFECTS to minimum wage hikes beyond the immediate benefit that will, in the end, make it even more difficult for unskilled workers in our economy. Young people. People with low IQs. Recovering addicts. Ex-convicts. It's already extremely difficult for these people to enter the workforce.

Go look up how far the average GDP in 3rd world countries has risen in the last 70 years. There is progress around the world.

ALSO; perhaps it is the inflation itself (from unaccountable banking systems) that is the problem.

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1. Minimum wage increases have literally never increased prices the way armchair economists say they do
2. The average age of a fast food worker is 29, I believe? These aren't jobs for teens. These are adults with families in a world where so many of you utterly fail to understand the reality of being poor. Spoiler alert the system is literally built to keep you that way.
3. The minimum wage was established as a living wage
4. If your business success is predicated on not giving the people doing your work enough money to live, I. Want. You. To. Fail.
5. If your countries economy is predicated on the notion that Jeff Bezos should make double my yearly salary per minute but not pay his employees enough to live, It. Also. Deserves. To. Fail.
6. Shame on all of you supposedly very smart boys and girls for not realizing the reality is *you also deserve more money* and helping your fellow man is one of the first steps towards that. Hard to think when you're slurping capitalism to the hilt.

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The problem isn't wages imo. The problem is that there aren't enough shifts to cover a livable wage. So you may get paid enough to afford a decent apartment, but your work won't supply enough hours, and then proceed to get pissed off with you if you try and get a second job to supplement your income. Meanwhile, they have people calling into work all the time saying they are sick when they just wanted to hang out with friends.

What's even more messed up are some of the laws regarding income support. I know in one of my earlier meetings they were willing to help me with my wages while going to school, but I had to be living by myself with no roommates, I wasn't allowed to work more than 20 hours a week and they were only willing to give me 400 dollars a month in compensation. In their eyes I had to starve to get their measly 400 dollars, which doesn't cover my expenses. So I'd have my personal expenses which amounted to 13/1400 a month CAD, plus my college, and at most I would have gotten around 1200 total from all sources.

What's even more messed up is that a lot of these places don't consider internet as an essential service, so my college courses, which were to be done all online, I wouldn't able to claim the internet. I'd have to go to my parents house or a library to attend 8-10 hour classes.

I managed to get into a program covering all expenses while I go to college, so that worked out in my favor.

Ivany2008 posted...

The problem isn't wages imo. The problem is that there aren't enough shifts to cover a livable wage.

I will admit that's part of the problem.
However every number I posted (and the government has made available) assumes a 40 hour work week.
In nearly every single state, the livable wage at 40 hours per week is a full dollar or more (in some cases a lot more, ie Louisiana) than the minimum wage.

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F1areaGaman posted...

You are skipping the logistical part and going straight to emotional.

In the short term these peoples lives will improve, albeit briefly as the market will catch up to the wage hike and everything goes up. It is so easy to say that if you don't support doubling the minimum wage then you hate poor people. So stupid. So typical. "If you are X then you ARE Y there is NO logical argument between!!" Like seriously grow up and think, don't just spit in our faces and tell us we are evil because we disagree. Minimum wage is not how we solve poverty. Technology, policy and intelligent use of welfare for those unable to work--that's how. For evidence of this, look no further than the world economy. There are EFFECTS to minimum wage hikes beyond the immediate benefit that will, in the end, make it even more difficult for unskilled workers in our economy. Young people. People with low IQs. Recovering addicts. Ex-convicts. It's already extremely difficult for these people to enter the workforce.

Go look up how far the average GDP in 3rd world countries has risen in the last 70 years. There is progress around the world.

ALSO; perhaps it is the inflation itself (from unaccountable banking systems) that is the problem.

Lol the 9/11 truther calling people stupid is ironic and hilarious.

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Even if the argument is 'well they should get a skill to get off minimum wage' that would be significantly easier for them to do if they can live off of the minimum wage. How is someone working a shitload of hours while scraping by supposed to progress?

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Darmik posted...

Even if the argument is 'well they should get a skill to get off minimum wage' that would be significantly easier for them to do if they can live off of the minimum wage. How is someone working a shitload of hours while scraping by supposed to progress?

They're not, but the angry boyos in this chat telling them to just try harder don't understand their own privilege OR that capitalism has an ultimate goal of creating a permanent underclass; because if they accept that they have to accept they're in it

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tie wages to inflation bet we wont see anymore inflation if that happened

21WIVES_CHILL posted...

It really boggles my mind when people demand minimum wage jobs to be a viable source of livable income.

You realize by the very nature of how our society works, there will always be a portion of the population occupying these jobs? Are you saying this portion of the population deserves to be homeless?

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VideoboysaysCube posted...

21WIVES_CHILL posted...

It really boggles my mind when people demand minimum wage jobs to be a viable source of livable income.

You realize by the very nature of how our society works, there will always be a portion of the population occupying these jobs? Are you saying this portion of the population deserves to be homeless?

No, they're just jobs meant for "kids" and "adults" should go find all the super high paying and totally real jobs
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Lets fire all adults in the country making minimum wage and replace them with teenagers, since these are teenage jobs. Youll see how fast those businesses burn to the ground.

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Companies will lay off employees and invest in automation.

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VTBM posted...

Companies will lay off employees and invest in automation.

Companies will do that where they can already.

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VideoboysaysCube posted...

You realize by the very nature of how our society works, there will always be a portion of the population occupying these jobs? Are you saying this portion of the population deserves to be homeless?

Ironically, I knew a substantial number of homeless people who had minimum wage jobs (Oregon).

They literally did not make enough to afford a place to live, and eventually ended up quitting because why bother working when it does nothing to improve your life? Might as well go back to camping in the woods while collecting food stamps.
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Zachnorn posted...

Ivany2008 posted...

8-10 hour classes.

Whoa, like one class that is 8-10 hours or you mean that was the total time of all your classes?


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