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Garioshi
01/17/21 11:17:40 AM
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If we keep wages where they are, then prices will stay the same.

Wait, why are prices still going up?

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21WIVES_CHILL
01/17/21 11:19:26 AM
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It really boggles my mind when people demand minimum wage jobs to be a viable source of livable income.
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TheOtherMike
01/17/21 11:20:29 AM
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21WIVES_CHILL posted...
It really boggles my mind when people demand minimum wage jobs to be a viable source of livable income.

That's literally what the minimum wage was originally intended to do.
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Irony
01/17/21 11:20:35 AM
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21WIVES_CHILL posted...
It really boggles my mind when people demand minimum wage jobs to be a viable source of livable income.
It's literally why minimum wage was created

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viewmaster_pi
01/17/21 11:22:23 AM
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-sees two dudes already said it-
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21WIVES_CHILL posted...
It really boggles my mind when people demand minimum wage jobs to be a viable source of livable income.
that's literally what they came up with minimum wage for

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21WIVES_CHILL
01/17/21 11:22:58 AM
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TheOtherMike posted...
That's literally what the minimum wage was originally intended to do.

If you live in the rural areas it would make sense. But the city? Wont work.
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AllegraD
01/17/21 11:23:20 AM
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that's literally what they came up with minimum wage for


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Southernfatman
01/17/21 11:23:38 AM
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How will I be able to look down on those dirty peasants if they make a wage slightly closer to what I make!?

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The X Dawg
01/17/21 11:24:26 AM
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21WIVES_CHILL posted...
It really boggles my mind when people demand minimum wage jobs to be a viable source of livable income.

So...why work if you can't live?
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JoeRodonExprien
01/17/21 11:24:50 AM
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If you raise the minimum wage, prices will go up!

When people say this theyre basically saying that society requires poverty so they can buy what they want.
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viewmaster_pi
01/17/21 11:26:03 AM
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The X Dawg posted...
So...why work if you can't live?
so you can be a cute little cog in the machine, duh

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A5modeu5
01/17/21 11:26:47 AM
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21WIVES_CHILL posted...
TheOtherMike posted...
That's literally what the minimum wage was originally intended to do.

If you live in the rural areas it would make sense. But the city? Wont work.


It should work in the city. Thats the whole point.
Thats why it needs to be higher.
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lightwarrior78
01/17/21 11:26:49 AM
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21WIVES_CHILL posted...
It really boggles my mind when people demand minimum wage jobs to be a viable source of livable income.
The problem is less a minimum wage, but in how people seem to be using it to try to hang on to low skill, soon to be automated jobs.

Why isn't the question "why can't I get a higher paid job" instead of "why can't I earn a living wage ringing up groceries by computer"?

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SteveNasti
01/17/21 11:28:17 AM
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JoeRodonExprien posted...
If you raise the minimum wage, prices will go up!

When people say this theyre basically saying that society requires poverty so they can buy what they want.


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Socrawheeze
01/17/21 11:28:46 AM
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lightwarrior78 posted...
Why isn't the question "why can't I get a higher paid job" instead of "why can't I earn a living wage ringing up groceries by computer"?
Because ringing up groceries should pay enough for someone to live
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viewmaster_pi
01/17/21 11:28:55 AM
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lightwarrior78 posted...
Why isn't the question "why can't I get a higher paid job" instead of "why can't I earn a living wage ringing up groceries by computer"?
because so long as you have to fritter your life away doing stupid tedious bullshit like that, you deserve to have enough money to enjoy the life you get to actually live for two days a week

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Irony
01/17/21 11:29:28 AM
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JoeRodonExprien posted...
If you raise the minimum wage, prices will go up!

When people say this theyre basically saying that society requires poverty so they can buy what they want.
This is very communist

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21WIVES_CHILL
01/17/21 11:29:54 AM
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A5modeu5 posted...
It should work in the city. Thats the whole point.
Thats why it needs to be higher.

No, the problem is the fucking rent and mortgage prices in cities.
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Balrog0
01/17/21 11:31:07 AM
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Prices do go up a bit, but marginally, and that's a fine trade-off

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lzual
01/17/21 11:31:22 AM
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21WIVES_CHILL posted...
If you live in the rural areas it would make sense. But the city? Wont work.

in the UK you get different minimum wage depending on where you live. London get more.

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ElatedVenusaur
01/17/21 11:32:54 AM
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lightwarrior78 posted...
The problem is less a minimum wage, but in how people seem to be using it to try to hang on to low skill, soon to be automated jobs.

Why isn't the question "why can't I get a higher paid job" instead of "why can't I earn a living wage ringing up groceries by computer"?
This is doubly dumb because it's the white collar jobs that are most likely to be useless, easily automated, and/or outright pernicious.

But to address the points, it's awful hard to get a "better" job when you don't have a degree, your parents don't have extensive connections nor bank accounts, and you're barely making ends meet.
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JoeRodonExprien
01/17/21 11:34:00 AM
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Irony posted...

This is very communist


If you work full time you shouldnt be in poverty
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Gwynevere
01/17/21 11:34:23 AM
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Has there ever been an actual well sourced study that shows a causal relationship between minimum wage increases and inflation?

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lightwarrior78
01/17/21 11:37:28 AM
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Socrawheeze posted...
Because ringing up groceries should pay enough for someone to live

viewmaster_pi posted...
because so long as you have to fritter your life away doing stupid tedious bullshit like that, you deserve to have enough money to enjoy the life you get to actually live for two days a week

Pretty much proves my point: it's an issue about people with no ambition or even desire to have ambition. Why are these jobs what people seem to strive for instead of say, doctors, engineers, or business owners?

I want everyone to have a good wage, but we couldn't keep the lamp lighters, or stagecoach makers or elevator operators around just to keep them from having to try harder in more in demand jobs. Why should people looking to do minimum effort to the point of fighting to keep it around instead of phased out get a boost in their minimum wage?

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GibraItar
01/17/21 11:37:52 AM
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Make minimum wage zero, remove tax deductions, make it illegal to use foreign banks, pasteurize gasoline, breed quails, discredit the word homophone, get high on nutmeg

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viewmaster_pi
01/17/21 11:38:35 AM
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lightwarrior78 posted...
Pretty much proves my point: it's an issue about people with no ambition or even desire to have ambition.
ah i see, you're full of shit

well it was considerate making that the first sentence so i can disregard the rest

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lightwarrior78
01/17/21 11:39:25 AM
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ElatedVenusaur posted...
But to address the points, it's awful hard to get a "better" job when you don't have a degree, your parents don't have extensive connections nor bank accounts, and you're barely making ends meet.
And that's what I'm asking: why fight for low need jobs to have higher wages instead of fighting for more opportunity at the better jobs? Signs point to people just want as low skilled work as possible, then get upset when factors push the wages down of things robots or even trained chimps could do.

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lzual
01/17/21 11:40:25 AM
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lightwarrior78 posted...
Pretty much proves my point: it's an issue about people with no ambition or even desire to have ambition. Why are these jobs what people seem to strive for instead of say, doctors, engineers, or business owners?

I want everyone to have a good wage, but we couldn't keep the lamp lighters, or stagecoach makers or elevator operators around just to keep them from having to try harder in more in demand jobs. Why should people looking to do minimum effort to the point of fighting to keep it around instead of phased out get a boost in their minimum wage?

In my experience minimum wages jobs tend to be just as if not more stressful than a lot of jobs youd probably consider Worthy.

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lzual
01/17/21 11:40:52 AM
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lightwarrior78 posted...
And that's what I'm asking: why fight for low need jobs to have higher wages instead of fighting for more opportunity at the better jobs? Signs point to people just want as low skilled work as possible, then get upset when factors push the wages down of things robots or even trained chimps could do.

why not both?

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rexcrk
01/17/21 11:41:36 AM
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21WIVES_CHILL posted...
It really boggles my mind when people demand minimum wage jobs to be a viable source of livable income.
I refuse to believe that people think this way unironically.

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viewmaster_pi
01/17/21 11:45:02 AM
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"low need" jobs are never going to be completely replaced. it's not like the jetson's and some sapient robot like rosie will be behind the counter doing everything and fixing every problem and handling every customer's stupid complaint

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Bleuets
01/17/21 11:47:24 AM
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High school kid flipping burgers at McDonalds does not need a livable wage. They are just doing it for fun money so its stupid to raise the minimum wage.
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viewmaster_pi
01/17/21 11:47:51 AM
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"excuse me clerkmotron 3000, this milk is expired"

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"YOU ARE EXPIRED"

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Ermac
01/17/21 11:47:51 AM
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Balrog0 posted...
Prices do go up a bit, but marginally, and that's a fine trade-off

how is that ok? Spending more = less money

Why dont we ask for something realistic, like easier paths to better jobs

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Irony
01/17/21 11:48:19 AM
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Ermac posted...
how is that ok? Spending more = less money

Why dont we ask for something realistic, like easier paths to better jobs
Because that's actually way more difficult

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RchHomieQuanChi
01/17/21 11:48:20 AM
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Here's my question. Why do people think what you make needs to based off of some arbitrary assessment of your skill level and not what the objective value of what you produce is?

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Bleuets
01/17/21 11:50:33 AM
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Balrog0 posted...
Prices do go up a bit, but marginally, and that's a fine trade-off

@Balrog0 not for the customer it isnt
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viewmaster_pi
01/17/21 11:50:56 AM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Here's my question. Why do people think what you make needs to based off of some arbitrary assessment of your skill level and not what the objective value of what you produce is?
or the system your part keeps in place, or the time out of your life it sucks up

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RchHomieQuanChi
01/17/21 11:56:08 AM
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lightwarrior78 posted...
Pretty much proves my point: it's an issue about people with no ambition or even desire to have ambition. Why are these jobs what people seem to strive for instead of say, doctors, engineers, or business owners?

Nobody strives to work at a minimum wage job and people don't need to be forced to live in poverty to aspire to do more than flip burgers for shitty customers all day.

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Smashingpmkns
01/17/21 11:56:26 AM
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Damn I have to pay an extra .50 on a cheeseburger so an employee can get paid $15 an hour? How could i ever afford an extra .50?
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lightwarrior78
01/17/21 11:59:25 AM
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lzual posted...
why not both?
It's hard to escape the perception that fighting for higher minimum wage takes priority because of what I claimed: people would rather jobs they prefer due to low skill requirements pay better than try to get a job with high skill requirements. If anything, stop and think it through: who at age 6 dreamed of bagging groceries or counter working at fast food? Why fight to keep yourself or others in those kind of work more than addressing barriers keeping even our better educated in those jobs?

My own guess is that while they are not necessarily easier jobs, they don't have the skill barrier to entry, and outside of a bad Karen experience, less pressure to be perfect in them at all times. ie: Doctors have to know a lot of shit and be right in their decisions as much as possible or risk getting sued. The jobs at 7-11 are easier to learn to do, and are far less vital to get perfect. As I joke, your don't even really have to make proper change much anymore.

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Irony
01/17/21 11:59:26 AM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Damn I have to pay an extra .50 on a cheeseburger so an employee can get paid $15 an hour? How could i ever afford an extra .50?
A more accurate assessment would be paying anywhere from $0.25 to $2 more on stuff. In reality when grocery shopping people will be paying probably close to $50 to $75 more for groceries than they were before. Your shortsightedness has been noted though.

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RchHomieQuanChi
01/17/21 12:00:08 PM
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Bleuets posted...
High school kid flipping burgers at McDonalds does not need a livable wage. They are just doing it for fun money so its stupid to raise the minimum wage.

Why do high school kids deserve to be paid less for their labor though?

And aren't they already making less money anyway by the fact that they can probably only work part-time?

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viewmaster_pi
01/17/21 12:00:29 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Damn I have to pay an extra .50 on a cheeseburger so an employee can get paid $15 an hour? How could i ever afford an extra .50?
imagine if ceos and the like had to give up less than 1% of their yearly takeaway so their employees could live decently

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meestermj
01/17/21 12:02:42 PM
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It's really easy to see who hates poor people in this thread.

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Balrog0
01/17/21 12:05:01 PM
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Bleuets posted...
@Balrog0 not for the customer it isnt

It is if that consumer makes under the new minimum wage (or near minimum wage)

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ButteryMales
01/17/21 12:06:55 PM
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JustMyOpinion posted...
Is this satire or does TC have no idea how basic Economics works?
Jesus JMO, .
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Balrog0
01/17/21 12:09:22 PM
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Irony posted...
A more accurate assessment would be paying anywhere from $0.25 to $2 more on stuff. In reality when grocery shopping people will be paying probably close to $50 to $75 more for groceries than they were before. Your shortsightedness has been noted though.

A 10 percent increase in the minimum wage might raise general retail prices by about 0.4 percent. The price mechanism isn't the main channel through which businesses respond to labor cost increases

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