Current Events > If you raise the minimum wage, prices will go up!

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Ivany2008 posted...

The problem isn't wages imo. The problem is that there aren't enough shifts to cover a livable wage

Maybe companies should stop understaffing their workers then. I worked in a theatre, and the payroll system was a joke. 17 theatres and 2 ushers assigned to clean them on Friday/Saturday nights. And people wondered why garbage just got shoved under the seat, hallway/lobbies didn't get swept of popcorn, and napkins/straws/butter were slow getting restocked.

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at the very least, minimum wage should cover someone to rent a room for themselves while not putting themselves in debt and live one paycheck or hosoital bill away from getting fucked

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If they raised minimum wages to as high as $15 itd have to be a broad raise across the board. Since many skilled and or collage degree entry lv positions pay around or a little above that mark. So really you're just raising the baseline until inevitably the market catches back up.

Itd help in certain places, but anywhere the housing market is competitive though wont really do a thing.

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The national minimum wage should at least be $9 by now.

I will never fucking understand people who shill for their corporate overlords

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loafy013 posted...

Maybe companies should stop understaffing their workers then. I worked in a theatre, and the payroll system was a joke. 17 theatres and 2 ushers assigned to clean them on Friday/Saturday nights. And people wondered why garbage just got shoved under the seat, hallway/lobbies didn't get swept of popcorn, and napkins/straws/butter were slow getting restocked.

Damn, I worked in a historic 2-screen theatre and on busy nights wed have like 5 people cleaning a single screen.

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The more damaging implication is that a higher minimum wage will make it harder to even get a minimum wage job

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Surely more money poor people have the more money they will spend in shops. It'll find it's way to the big companies eventually. It's trickle up economics. This is one of the rationales for some models for UBI.

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do any of these "we can't raise the minimum wage because then prices will rise" people have any explanation for why prices rise anyway, even if wages don't? and if we can't raise wages, what's their plan for workers to continue to be able to afford the increased price of things?

such a pretend concern for the economy. they understand nothing beyond an individual level. the workers provide a demand for goods, what happens to that demand (& thus the economy) if they stop being able to afford to buy things?

you end up nearly defending capitalism to these people. they don't even get how the system they're defending is supposed to work

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Shablagoo posted...

do any of these "we can't raise the minimum wage because then prices will rise" people have any explanation for why prices rise anyway, even if wages don't? and if we can't raise wages, what's their plan for workers to continue to be able to afford the increased price of things?

such a pretend concern for the economy. they understand nothing beyond an individual level. the workers provide a demand for goods, what happens to that demand (& thus the economy) if they stop being able to afford to buy things?

you end up nearly defending capitalism to these people. they don't even get how the system they're defending is supposed to work

Magic!

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So the funny thing I've noticed over the years with talks about minimum wage increase. I can remember back in the day when the target goal was $10. Everyone arguing against a $10/hour minimum wage was making the inflation argument... And everyone arguing against it happened to be in a job that made more than $10/hour. There were a LOT more naysayers then because way more people on the board made more than $10/hour.

Now the target goal is $15/hour and we still get the inflation argument but it isn't as vocal or as vitrolic. Why? Way more people make around or less than $15/hour than around or less than $10/hour. There's not as much pushback because a lot of the people this would help make more than $10/hour but less than $15/hour. They're not concerned as much about inflation anymore because their personal wages will rise to match their expected inflation.

The people who are still pushing against a minimum wage increase arguing inflation are people who make higher wages (probably in skilled jobs). Not everyone who makes more money, obviously some of us understand basic economics, but I guarantee you all the posters in here bitching about raising minimum wage to $15/hour make more than that... They don't actually give a fuck about the economy, other people, or any of that shit. They just care about what they perceive as an attack on their personal buying power because they think that their own wages will not go up to match the inflation they think it will bring. Its more of the "fuck you, got mine" mentality we see out of these sociopaths who couldn't care less if people starve and die as long as they can stuff their faces with Taco Bell and spill Mountain Dew in their new Land Rover. I 100% guarantee you if the proposal was to raise minimum wage above their current pay rate they'd flip the script on the spot.

EDIT: And as a result we can post as many case studies and as much data showing how wages have not risen at a rate that matched inflation leading the minimum wage being far below the inflation line as we want, it won't change their minds. Logic cannot make a dent in an emotional argument that refuses to look to math or science for answers
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loafy013 posted...

Maybe companies should stop understaffing their workers then. I worked in a theatre, and the payroll system was a joke. 17 theatres and 2 ushers assigned to clean them on Friday/Saturday nights. And people wondered why garbage just got shoved under the seat, hallway/lobbies didn't get swept of popcorn, and napkins/straws/butter were slow getting restocked.

that's not always the case. I worked at Wal-Mart and we were staffed properly, but a ton of people were young and chose to call in sick instead of actually coming in to work. Now, the blame isn't entirely on them, as Wal-Mart were assholes when it came to time off and scheduling. People would have Thursdays as the day they cannot work under any circumstances and Wal-Mart would schedule them for that day. They changed my shift the day of, and expected me to work 3 extra hours despite me telling them no. They also yelled at me because I brought a coffee in from Tim Hortons during Black Friday(I was working carts), because "If I'm not allowed to have my coffee then your not allowed to have your coffee".

I don't like to curse, but shut up B****, just because your moody in the morning doesn't mean we all have to be. I left work at 11 last night, and came in for 6, which is under the 8 hour minimum and your still getting pissed at me. I came in because the person who was supposed to be working called in and said he couldn't work. So I worked the previous night, and then proceeded to work 11 straight hours because they couldn't find someone, all the while getting written up and being threatened to be fired over a coffee. I reported her, and still nothing came of it, because the managers care more about the management staff than they do the workers.

21WIVES_CHILL posted...

It really boggles my mind when people demand minimum wage jobs to be a viable source of livable income.

Whats the point of a job if not to live? Stupid ass post

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fire_bolt posted...

So the funny thing I've noticed over the years with talks about minimum wage increase. I can remember back in the day when the target goal was $10. Everyone arguing against a $10/hour minimum wage was making the inflation argument... And everyone arguing against it happened to be in a job that made more than $10/hour. There were a LOT more naysayers then because way more people on the board made more than $10/hour.

Now the target goal is $15/hour and we still get the inflation argument but it isn't as vocal or as vitrolic. Why? Way more people make around or less than $15/hour than around or less than $10/hour. There's not as much pushback because a lot of the people this would help make more than $10/hour but less than $15/hour. They're not concerned as much about inflation anymore because their personal wages will rise to match their expected inflation.

The people who are still pushing against a minimum wage increase arguing inflation are people who make higher wages (probably in skilled jobs). Not everyone who makes more money, obviously some of us understand basic economics, but I guarantee you all the posters in here bitching about raising minimum wage to $15/hour make more than that... They don't actually give a fuck about the economy, other people, or any of that shit. They just care about what they perceive as an attack on their personal buying power because they think that their own wages will not go up to match the inflation they think it will bring. Its more of the "fuck you, got mine" mentality we see out of these sociopaths who couldn't care less if people starve and die as long as they can stuff their faces with Taco Bell and spill Mountain Dew in their new Land Rover. I 100% guarantee you if the proposal was to raise minimum wage above their current pay rate they'd flip the script on the spot.

EDIT: And as a result we can post as many case studies and as much data showing how wages have not risen at a rate that matched inflation leading the minimum wage being far below the inflation line as we want, it won't change their minds. Logic cannot make a dent in an emotional argument that refuses to look to math or science for answers

Nail on the freaking head right here.

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RenescoStCewl posted...

Lol the 9/11 truther calling people stupid is ironic and hilarious.

Haha nice rebuttal ad hominem

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F1areaGaman posted...

Haha nice rebuttal ad hominem

GDP is a terrible metric for 3rd world well-being.

People who make above $20/hr should never get raises because if their pay goes up prices will go up!

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Neoconkers posted...

always find it interesting when people discuss this that they can just rattle off a list of people they feel are "unworthy" of a living wage. maybe you should ask yourself why you hate cashiers or fast food workers so much that you think they shouldn't be able to live off 40 hours' wage a week

It's like, I wish when they go through a drive thru, or go to a grocery store, pass by a custodian, right above their heads is their social media post that shits on these members of society. These essential workers are massive in number and are fucking public servants. My lord.

Furthermore, if America didn't treat these people behind closed doors and in socal media like this, if they gave these workers good wages and benefits, maybe those workers would be more productive, happier and more pleasant in general.

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Shablagoo posted...

what's their plan for workers to continue to be able to afford the increased price of things?

going to have to cut back on the luxuries
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lzual posted...

Surely more money poor people have the more money they will spend in shops. It'll find it's way to the big companies eventually. It's trickle up economics. This is one of the rationales for some models for UBI.

Yep "money rises"

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orangefire25 posted...

Yep "money rises"

Whitch is why raising it wont do anyone any good. You raise minumum wage you raise the "poverty level."

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The only real solution is to find a way to lower the national debt. Americas debt is something stupid like 28 trillion dollars? Work on a way to reduce that, and everything should go back to normal. If that means putting a cap on the amount of money one can have then so be it. I'm sure if you took a few billion from the richest people in America it would go down at the very least 500b dollars.

Gonna be pretty interesting when the minimum wage goes to $15/hr and the country doesn't collapse. I wonder how far the goal posts will move then

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